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Alkiadt said:

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UCBerkGrad said:

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Larno said:

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Kidd does not have a college degree, as far as I know. That alone could be a disqualfier.

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Its not a disqualifier

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Cal has had other head coaches without degrees.
See Chris Huffins in track.
Not a dis-qualifier technically.

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If I recall, part of the deal was Huffins could complete his degree at Cal. I don't know if he did but things didn't work out. I thought the degree was the new requirement and was brought on when the student-athlete GPA requirement went up...but I could be wrong.

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It's been established here over the last months that a degree is not e requirement. Also heard here (unverified) that JK is working on completing his (kinda funny, since, when he left for the NBA, he was a loooong ways away).

I'd love to see them roll the dice with Kidd. Let's get some excitement back into MBB.

LACalFan said:

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I'd love to see them roll the dice with Kidd. Let's get some excitement back into MBB.

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I will say, it would be a direct injection of adrenaline (which had slowly been seeping away the past 2-3 years.

LACalFan said:

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I'd love to see them roll the dice with Kidd. Let's get some excitement back into MBB.

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I agree. It's a home run or strike out hire. I like the gamble. Would be fun to see what happens and the upside is huge.

A couple of comments:

Don't know why people keep saying Knowlton changed his mind. There is no hard evidence that he ever decided to keep Jones except for a tweet from Jeff Goodman (never a reliable source) and the Comical (!?!?). As ex-military, he believes in 360 evaluations and a step by step process.

Looks like Grace is gone. Walker as well.

My guess is that the process of hiring will move in an organized, but relatively quick manner.

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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On Kidd:
I'm a huge Jason Kidd fan as a player probably my favorite all-time, but does he actually want to be a college coach? I'm not certain of that. College coaching is much different than the NBA. You wear more hats and it's an around the clock jobno days off. Does he really want that? I'm not convinced, personally.

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I'd rather we hire a proven college coach. The last Cal legend coaching hire I remember, Joe Kapp, didn't work out all that well.

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Kidd comes in with several years of high level head coaching experience, not the case with Kapp.

I think he would be a good choice if his motivation is there. He might not be the top candidate in player development, but would probably be the best recruiter at Cal since Bozeman, minus the baggage of course. Getting top talent is about 2/3 the challenge in college basketball today.

Turner looks great as well.

Maybe we didn't give Knowlton enough credit and he has a plan?

UrsaMajor said:

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My guess is that the process of hiring will move in an organized, but relatively quick manner.

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Lakers pass then Cal hires Kidd.

What a clown show Knowlton is running. This is the kind of foresight our AD demonstrates? 'hmm, it's more expensive to fire this guy than see attendance continue to dwindle. Hmmm, 3,000 fewer people attending x 20 games x $30 per person = $1.8M. . . . Oh wait, the kids I "talked" to last week before I told the coach I was keeping him because it was financially expedient are now saying they're all going to leave? Hmmm. I better fire the coach.'

On top of it we've got Larry Scott running his own clown show over in Walnut Creek. Clown show in side of Clown show. It's like Russian Doll, but we're all dying.

NYCGOBEARS said:

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Maybe we didn't give Knowlton enough credit and he has a plan?

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My guess is pressure from the donors for Kidd.

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stu said:

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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On Kidd:
I'm a huge Jason Kidd fan as a player probably my favorite all-time, but does he actually want to be a college coach? I'm not certain of that. College coaching is much different than the NBA. You wear more hats and it's an around the clock jobno days off. Does he really want that? I'm not convinced, personally.

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I'd rather we hire a proven college coach. The last Cal legend coaching hire I remember, Joe Kapp, didn't work out all that well.

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Kidd comes in with several years of high level head coaching experience, not the case with Kapp.

I think he would be a good choice if his motivation is there. He might not be the top candidate in player development, but would probably be the best recruiter at Cal since Bozeman, minus the baggage of course. Getting top talent is about 2/3 the challenge in college basketball today.

Turner looks great as well.

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No question it's quite a bit different than the Kapp situation. But how different is coaching NBA players, as opposed to the players we get?

LACalFan said:

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NYCGOBEARS said:

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Maybe we didn't give Knowlton enough credit and he has a plan?

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My guess is pressure from the donors for Kidd.

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Agreed

This is all speculation, but if the money for the buyout came from certain donors and those same donors want Kidd......



Btw freaking duke is so lucky

Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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stu said:

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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On Kidd:
I'm a huge Jason Kidd fan as a player probably my favorite all-time, but does he actually want to be a college coach? I'm not certain of that. College coaching is much different than the NBA. You wear more hats and it's an around the clock jobno days off. Does he really want that? I'm not convinced, personally.

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+1

I'd rather we hire a proven college coach. The last Cal legend coaching hire I remember, Joe Kapp, didn't work out all that well.

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Kidd comes in with several years of high level head coaching experience, not the case with Kapp.

I think he would be a good choice if his motivation is there. He might not be the top candidate in player development, but would probably be the best recruiter at Cal since Bozeman, minus the baggage of course. Getting top talent is about 2/3 the challenge in college basketball today.

Turner looks great as well.

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No question it's quite a bit different than the Kapp situation?. But how different is it coaching NBA players, as opposed to the players we get?

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I'd say coaching pros vs. college is very different because of players, expectations and needs. Kidd is ideally suited to coach pros because it's about player/personality management and him being a former star, now in HOF gives him instant respect. Have to know hoops but also how to handle millionaire players. In college is' about teaching, development and systems...and Cal needs plenty.

Another Bear said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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stu said:

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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On Kidd:
I'm a huge Jason Kidd fan as a player probably my favorite all-time, but does he actually want to be a college coach? I'm not certain of that. College coaching is much different than the NBA. You wear more hats and it's an around the clock jobno days off. Does he really want that? I'm not convinced, personally.

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+1

I'd rather we hire a proven college coach. The last Cal legend coaching hire I remember, Joe Kapp, didn't work out all that well.

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Kidd comes in with several years of high level head coaching experience, not the case with Kapp.

I think he would be a good choice if his motivation is there. He might not be the top candidate in player development, but would probably be the best recruiter at Cal since Bozeman, minus the baggage of course. Getting top talent is about 2/3 the challenge in college basketball today.

Turner looks great as well.

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No question it's quite a bit different than the Kapp situation?. But how different is it coaching NBA players, as opposed to the players we get?

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I'd say coaching pros vs. college is very different because of players, expectations and needs. Kidd is ideally suited to coach pros because it's about player/personality management and him being a former star, now in HOF gives him instant respect. Have to know hoops but also how to handle millionaire players. In college is' about teaching, development and systems...and Cal needs plenty.

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Back from swamis. Not very good form today but I got a paddle. I disagree about Kidd and NBA. Coaching in the show is about managing guys who want minutes, shots, points, etc. It is something but I am not sure it is Coaching. I actually think Kidd COULD be better at college than NBA but who knows.

First choice is Turner. Second is Kidd+practice facility.

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I agree that Hardaway is doing a good job but he is not in a P5 conference nor is he recruiting against most P5 schools....He is recruiting kids who are a notch below and he will probably make the dance from a conference that is a notch below.....Not saying he is not doing well but there are differences in the two situations...I can also point at a guy like Damon Stoudamire at UOP who is not setting the world on fire in a lesser conference...

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Currently has the 8th ranked recruiting class coming in next year. That class includes (unless he flips before the late signing period) the #1 overall player in the country.

UrsaMajor said:

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A couple of comments:

Don't know why people keep saying Knowlton changed his mind. There is no hard evidence that he ever decided to keep Jones except for a tweet from Jeff Goodman (never a reliable source) and the Comical (!?!?). As ex-military, he believes in 360 evaluations and a step by step process.

Looks like Grace is gone. Walker as well.

My guess is that the process of hiring will move in an organized, but relatively quick manner.

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My guess is the call is made after LA passes on Kidd.

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Another Bear said:

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Big C said:

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stu said:

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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On Kidd:
I'm a huge Jason Kidd fan as a player probably my favorite all-time, but does he actually want to be a college coach? I'm not certain of that. College coaching is much different than the NBA. You wear more hats and it's an around the clock jobno days off. Does he really want that? I'm not convinced, personally.

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+1

I'd rather we hire a proven college coach. The last Cal legend coaching hire I remember, Joe Kapp, didn't work out all that well.

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Kidd comes in with several years of high level head coaching experience, not the case with Kapp.

I think he would be a good choice if his motivation is there. He might not be the top candidate in player development, but would probably be the best recruiter at Cal since Bozeman, minus the baggage of course. Getting top talent is about 2/3 the challenge in college basketball today.

Turner looks great as well.

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No question it's quite a bit different than the Kapp situation?. But how different is it coaching NBA players, as opposed to the players we get?

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I'd say coaching pros vs. college is very different because of players, expectations and needs. Kidd is ideally suited to coach pros because it's about player/personality management and him being a former star, now in HOF gives him instant respect. Have to know hoops but also how to handle millionaire players. In college is' about teaching, development and systems...and Cal needs plenty.

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Back from swamis. Not very good form today but I got a paddle. I disagree about Kidd and NBA. Coaching in the show is about managing guys who want minutes, shots, points, etc. It is something but I am not sure it is Coaching. I actually think Kidd COULD be better at college than NBA but who knows.

First choice is Turner. Second is Kidd+practice facility.

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Right, managing minutes and EGOS, millionaire egos. I'm also not sure it's coaching either and that's why I'm wondering if he can make the jump to college....which requires coaching, development, teaching. Sure he could hire some of that, but he's not connected to the college game. However I agree Kidd might do better in college, mostly because he didn't do all that well in the NBA. Sort of a Pete Carroll going to SC but it would have to a near perfect set up.

I hear UCLA has zeroed in on Turner...his wife is a MD and UCLA has a medical school (like UCI). Cal does not.

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I agree that Hardaway is doing a good job but he is not in a P5 conference nor is he recruiting against most P5 schools....He is recruiting kids who are a notch below and he will probably make the dance from a conference that is a notch below.....Not saying he is not doing well but there are differences in the two situations...I can also point at a guy like Damon Stoudamire at UOP who is not setting the world on fire in a lesser conference...

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Currently has the 8th ranked recruiting class coming in next year. That class includes (unless he flips before the late signing period) the #1 overall player in the country.

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If (and this is a big if) Kidd is all in on this college thing and will put 100% into recruiting and player development and making sure kids go to class, etc, than I think it's a no-brainer.

If we put together a top 10 class, than we're going to be fine, even if Kidd turns out to be a mediocre/average coach.

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My top choice, Nate oats, is getting an ass whooping right now. That's probably good for us.

Let's see how turner does later today. I really think it's in our best interest for him to lose. Who knows who we will be competing with if turner makes a deep tourney run

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I hear UCLA has zeroed in on Turner...his wife is a MD and UCLA has a medical school (like UCI). Cal does not.

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Yeah, but it's not like she couldn't get a position at UCSF.

It would do Cal wonders if it reintegrated UCSF back into Berkeley. UCSF was not separate from Cal until 1949 (or so, if you believe wikipedia) or as an independent campus as UCSF until 1964. Imagine where Cal would rank (and the effect on finances) if it had a medical school with the ancillary money and research accomplishments.

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BearDown2o15 said:

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I agree that Hardaway is doing a good job but he is not in a P5 conference nor is he recruiting against most P5 schools....He is recruiting kids who are a notch below and he will probably make the dance from a conference that is a notch below.....Not saying he is not doing well but there are differences in the two situations...I can also point at a guy like Damon Stoudamire at UOP who is not setting the world on fire in a lesser conference...

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Currently has the 8th ranked recruiting class coming in next year. That class includes (unless he flips before the late signing period) the #1 overall player in the country.

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If (and this is a big if) Kidd is all in on this college thing and will put 100% into recruiting and player development and making sure kids go to class, etc, than I think it's a no-brainer.

If we put together a top 10 class, than we're going to be fine, even if Kidd turns out to be a mediocre/average coach.

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My top choice, Nate oats, is getting an ass whooping right now. That's probably good for us.

Let's see how turner does later today. I really think it's in our best interest for him to lose. Who knows who we will be competing with if turner makes a deep tourney run

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Watching Buffalo today while considering Oats is giving me SDDV (Sony Dykes Deja Vu).

BearSD said:

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This comment about the Lakers would apply equally to Cal IMO...

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That's a pretty stupid post, since as far as I'm aware there was no drama or dysfunction associated with Luke Walton prior to his hiring by the Lakers.

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I'm not sure that the Kidd supporters here realize that recruiting is a whole lot more than calling a kid and saying "Hi, I'm Jason Kidd and I want you to play for me"....there are probably kids out there who have heard of Kidd but his last pro game was when the players he is recruiting were in 6th grade.....recruiting is a year round job, especially during the summer months with all the AAU tournaments being played nationwide...I'm not convinced that Kidd would want to put in the necessary commitment to compete....

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You may be right, but all he would need to do is bring a copy of his NBA highlights video to an In-Home visit, and they would find out quick who is was/is.

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Btw freaking duke is so lucky

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No kidding. A real heartbreaker for UCF.

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I'd rather we hire a proven college coach.

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Who do you think was running the show the year that we/he took down Dook?

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I'd rather we hire a proven college coach.

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Who do you think was running the show the year that we/he took down Dook?

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Jason Kidd?

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I'm not sure that the Kidd supporters here realize that recruiting is a whole lot more than calling a kid and saying "Hi, I'm Jason Kidd and I want you to play for me"....there are probably kids out there who have heard of Kidd but his last pro game was when the players he is recruiting were in 6th grade.....recruiting is a year round job, especially during the summer months with all the AAU tournaments being played nationwide...I'm not convinced that Kidd would want to put in the necessary commitment to compete....

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On the flip side, Kidd ain't Damon staudamire or penny or Bobby Hurley. He's one of the greatest players ever. And especially among local kids, he's somewhat of a legend. He can also point to his nba coaching experience. I can't think of a lot of college coaches that come in with that sort of cachet.

But yes, you're absolutely right. He's going to need to want it. Recruiting is a 24/7 business. He's going to want to do that grind. But just seeing how ultra competitive he is, I think he'll put in the work.

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I'm not sure that the Kidd supporters here realize that recruiting is a whole lot more than calling a kid and saying "Hi, I'm Jason Kidd and I want you to play for me"....there are probably kids out there who have heard of Kidd but his last pro game was when the players he is recruiting were in 6th grade.....recruiting is a year round job, especially during the summer months with all the AAU tournaments being played nationwide...I'm not convinced that Kidd would want to put in the necessary commitment to compete....

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Kidd would need a staff of assistants that would do most of the recruiting leg work. Then he would be the closer - similar to how Monty and other experienced D1 coaches do it. However, I'm guessing that Kidd would be a better closer for more recruits than Monty was at the end of his career.

Similarly, Kidd's assistants could help in player development as well. For me, it comes down to how Kidd could 'run the program' and in that facet, his NBA experience may or may not be applicable.

I'm dubious that Kidd is going to be the next coach K, but I think he would do better than Jones and he does have a definite Cal connection that is unique. He is the only 'unqualified' candidate that may be worth taking a flyer if he gives us the Cal discount.

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UCSF was not separate from Cal until 1949 (or so, if you believe wikipedia)...

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Don't believe everything you read online.

The med school in SF was never officially part of 'Cal', i..e., reporting into the Berkeley admin. It was an Affiliated College of the University of California, as was the Pharm and Dent schools. It stayed that way for ~50 years when the UC regents named it a campus, UCSF, all its own (1949).

(An Affiliated College similar to Hastings, but Hastings even had a separate BoD at its founding.)

https://www.ucsf.edu/about/history-1

Jason could be the new face of Cal BB, and recruit top talent.

Monty could sit in his Berkeley office and draw x's and o's.

Problem solved.

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Does this mean Shocky is back in?

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Oh please.
Let's not start this up again.
The man is dead. We buried him and pissed on his grave.
Let's let him rot like any other corpse.

Only trump shall we dig up again and again in order to piss and shat on so that he never gets to Rest In Peace. Shocky is a step above that.
Respect to the dead.

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bearmanpg said:

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I'm not sure that the Kidd supporters here realize that recruiting is a whole lot more than calling a kid and saying "Hi, I'm Jason Kidd and I want you to play for me"....there are probably kids out there who have heard of Kidd but his last pro game was when the players he is recruiting were in 6th grade.....recruiting is a year round job, especially during the summer months with all the AAU tournaments being played nationwide...I'm not convinced that Kidd would want to put in the necessary commitment to compete....

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Kidd would need a staff of assistants that would do most of the recruiting leg work. Then he would be the closer - similar to how Monty and other experienced D1 coaches do it. However, I'm guessing that Kidd would be a better closer for more recruits than Monty was at the end of his career.

Similarly, Kidd's assistants could help in player development as well. For me, it comes down to how Kidd could 'run the program' and in that facet, his NBA experience may or may not be applicable.

I'm dubious that Kidd is going to be the next coach K, but I think he would do better than Jones and he does have a definite Cal connection that is unique. He is the only 'unqualified' candidate that may be worth taking a flyer if he gives us the Cal discount.

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Dennis gates man.

Could you believe the turn around from not firing wyking to hiring Kidd with gates as his top assistant?

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I'm a Kidd doubter. I have a bad feeling he'll be a flop at coaching college kids. Although, with his recruiting, we can't help but be good. So maybe he'll be fine. I suppose I don't need us to win the national championship. Deep in the tourney would be nice.

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He may not be Mike Sha-shev-ski, but I'd sure like to try and find out if he can be half that!

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Any chance we can get McNeil to come back if we land a big name guy like Kidd?

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Supposedly McNeill wants to be a point guard, but what's Kidd going to say to him, "You're now a junior in college. Can't you just see where the nine other players are going to be on the floor two seconds before they get there? Dammit, I could do that when I was a junior in HIGH SCHOOL! Heck, a FRESHMAN in high school!"

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Actually, from what I have heard, Jason could do that in 8th grade.