Why did Knowlton suddenly change course? Choose one or more of the following...

+ one or more major donors finally said "enough is enough" and ponied up for a buy out

+ Knowlton suddenly got a lead on a specific candidate, such as Kidd, Turner or Decuire

+ late dissatisfaction came in from the remaining "core" of the team (Sueing, Bradley, Vanover)

+ Knowlton was expecting 1-2 others to leave, but not McNeill and it started to look like "abandon ship"

+ Knowlton didn't like becoming the new BI punching bag

Feel free to add other speculation, at least until we hear the real reasons (if we ever will).

Big C said:

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Why did Knowlton suddenly change course? Choose one or more of the following...

+ one or more major donors finally said "enough is enough" and ponied up for a buy out

+ Knowlton suddenly got a lead on a specific candidate, such as Kidd, Turner or Decuire

+ late dissatisfaction came in from the remaining "core" of the team (Sueing, Bradley, Vanover)

+ Knowlton was expecting 1-2 others to leave, but not McNeill and it started to look like "abandon ship"

+ Knowlton didn't like becoming the new BI punching bag

Feel free to add other speculation, at least until we hear the real reasons (if we ever will).

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I think the players believe a change would be made, it didn't seem it would happen, they when to JK, change was made.

All the twitter rumors point to a players meeting. That all seems to make sense. I DOUBT that DM was the reason.

And it also could be that donors said, We will do this.

I also wonder if Kidd signaled. None of the other candidates could. But Jason honestly could say he would work for $1.

Big C said:

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Why did Knowlton suddenly change course? Choose one or more of the following...

+ one or more major donors finally said "enough is enough" and ponied up for a buy out

+ Knowlton suddenly got a lead on a specific candidate, such as Kidd, Turner or Decuire

+ late dissatisfaction came in from the remaining "core" of the team (Sueing, Bradley, Vanover)

+ Knowlton was expecting 1-2 others to leave, but not McNeill and it started to look like "abandon ship"

+ Knowlton didn't like becoming the new BI punching bag

Feel free to add other speculation, at least until we hear the real reasons (if we ever will).

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#'s 1, 3, and 4.
Plus the weak endorsement last week was a recruiting placeholder.

Seems pretty whimsical for such an important decision. Maybe the reports of retention were just premature? Regardless I'll take it!

Big C said:

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Why did Knowlton suddenly change course? Choose one or more of the following...

+ one or more major donors finally said "enough is enough" and ponied up for a buy out

+ Knowlton suddenly got a lead on a specific candidate, such as Kidd, Turner or Decuire

+ late dissatisfaction came in from the remaining "core" of the team (Sueing, Bradley, Vanover)

+ Knowlton was expecting 1-2 others to leave, but not McNeill and it started to look like "abandon ship"

+ Knowlton didn't like becoming the new BI punching bag

Feel free to add other speculation, at least until we hear the real reasons (if we ever will).

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BeachedBear threatened to not renew season tickets.

The AD very carefully played the whining donors. IF you pay, THEN you can play. The University would not be funding athletics at the expense of legitimate programs.

Big C said:

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Why did Knowlton suddenly change course? Choose one or more of the following...

+ one or more major donors finally said "enough is enough" and ponied up for a buy out

+ Knowlton suddenly got a lead on a specific candidate, such as Kidd, Turner or Decuire

+ late dissatisfaction came in from the remaining "core" of the team (Sueing, Bradley, Vanover)

+ Knowlton was expecting 1-2 others to leave, but not McNeill and it started to look like "abandon ship"

+ Knowlton didn't like becoming the new BI punching bag

Feel free to add other speculation, at least until we hear the real reasons (if we ever will).

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I retweeted alumni and fan base dissatisfaction to him several times. I will take credit for this.

UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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So when BI said last Friday that Jones was being retained, that was just because Goodman said so? BI doesn't have any more direct sources than him? Any idea what Goodman's source was?

UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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It was mixed and marbled.

I think he did it so posters would have something to talk about other than the P. Cornelius thing.

The title of this thread should 100% be changed to "why the 360 from knowlton"

Big C said:

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Why did Knowlton suddenly change course? Choose one or more of the following...

+ one or more major donors finally said "enough is enough" and ponied up for a buy out

+ Knowlton suddenly got a lead on a specific candidate, such as Kidd, Turner or Decuire

+ late dissatisfaction came in from the remaining "core" of the team (Sueing, Bradley, Vanover)

+ Knowlton was expecting 1-2 others to leave, but not McNeill and it started to look like "abandon ship"

+ Knowlton didn't like becoming the new BI punching bag

Feel free to add other speculation, at least until we hear the real reasons (if we ever will).

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Whatever the reason, thank the gods Knowlton did it! Intelligent basketball minds prevailed and perhaps Cal is realizing what it takes to be a serious D1 program. The Wyking hire was a flat out disaster and we've been saved from making it even worse with a third year.

joe amos yaks said:

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The Russians hacked the AD's announcement with a preemptive strike on Thursday that Coach Jones was being retained with "limitations".

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The Conservative branch of UCB alum made a deal with Trump and the Russians to shut down Berkeley free speech in exchange for money to pay for a good coach, good players, and ref payoffs.

Final Four, baby!
You gotta admit, they know what it takes to "win".

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The Conservative branch of UCB alum made a deal with Trump and the Russians to shut down Berkeley free speech in exchange for money to pay for a good coach, good players, and ref payoffs.

Final Four, baby!

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The Art of the Cal Deal?

They wanted to make sure Robert Mueller finished his report first.

Big C said:

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Why did Knowlton suddenly change course? Choose one or more of the following...

+ one or more major donors finally said "enough is enough" and ponied up for a buy out

+ Knowlton suddenly got a lead on a specific candidate, such as Kidd, Turner or Decuire

+ late dissatisfaction came in from the remaining "core" of the team (Sueing, Bradley, Vanover)

+ Knowlton was expecting 1-2 others to leave, but not McNeill and it started to look like "abandon ship"

+ Knowlton didn't like becoming the new BI punching bag

Feel free to add other speculation, at least until we hear the real reasons (if we ever will).

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Knowlton had a very positive mtg with WJ on Wed and Thursday and stated to WK "I am good with where we are going and your plan and we are good for the next season" WK asked for a public statement to Jim since it would stop other coaches from calling and poaching his players. Jim said on Thursday he would have that done.
Three Dad's of players (one starter) and 2 backups conferenced JK and complained about lack of development and that their son would likely transfer if WJ was retained. This was not an Donor lead salary coverage/payment etc. The player mtg was benign for the most part, as the 3 players who did not support WJ, were quiet out of concern of alienating the majority of the team who did support the staff. Also McNeil had told WJ he was transferring 10 days ago - due to his desire to be near his Mother who is having health issues.

4thGenCal said:

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Big C said:

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Why did Knowlton suddenly change course? Choose one or more of the following...

+ one or more major donors finally said "enough is enough" and ponied up for a buy out

+ Knowlton suddenly got a lead on a specific candidate, such as Kidd, Turner or Decuire

+ late dissatisfaction came in from the remaining "core" of the team (Sueing, Bradley, Vanover)

+ Knowlton was expecting 1-2 others to leave, but not McNeill and it started to look like "abandon ship"

+ Knowlton didn't like becoming the new BI punching bag

Feel free to add other speculation, at least until we hear the real reasons (if we ever will).

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Knowlton had a very positive mtg with WJ on Wed and Thursday and stated to WK "I am good with where we are going and your plan and we are good for the next season" WK asked for a public statement to Jim since it would stop other coaches from calling and poaching his players. Jim said on Thursday he would have that done.
Three Dad's of players (one starter) and 2 backups conferenced JK and complained about lack of development and that their son would likely transfer if WJ was retained. This was not an Donor lead salary coverage/payment etc. The player mtg was benign for the most part, as the 3 players who did not support WJ, were quiet out of concern of alienating the majority of the team who did support the staff. Also McNeil had told WJ he was transferring 10 days ago - due to his desire to be near his Mother who is having health issues.

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Good info.

UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

wifeisafurd said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

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Sounds like nobody actually confirmed with JK.

#MoreFakeNews.

Civil Bear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

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Sounds like nobody actually confirmed with JK.

#MoreFakeNews.

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Had dinner with JK a week ago - something changed. Staff had been told to proceed on the basis that Jones was staying. I'm a happy camper, so on to selecting a great replacement.

wifeisafurd said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

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Can I ask whether you (or other donors or even the AD) are at all concerned with kidd's alleged off court indiscretions. I'm just curious whether this is going to play any role in the decision.

I'm also mildly surprised you're a Kidd guy. What are some reasons you prefer him over a guy like turner?

Civil Bear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

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Sounds like nobody actually confirmed with JK.

#MoreFakeNews.

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go to the private board. JK let a lot of folks know Jones was coming back very recently. Getting ugly.

ducky23 said:

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The title of this thread should 100% be changed to "why the 360 from knowlton"

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All Jason Kidd aficionados appreciate this one, ducky!

wifeisafurd said:

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Civil Bear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

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Sounds like nobody actually confirmed with JK.

#MoreFakeNews.

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go to the private board. JK let a lot of folks know Jones was coming back very recently. Getting ugly.

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What's "getting ugly"?

4thGenCal said:

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Also McNeil had told WJ he was transferring 10 days ago - due to his desire to be near his Mother who is having health issues.

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In the Cal basketball drinking game, that's two shots.

Alkiadt said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Civil Bear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

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Sounds like nobody actually confirmed with JK.

#MoreFakeNews.

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go to the private board. JK let a lot of folks know Jones was coming back very recently. Getting ugly.

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What's "getting ugly"?

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We're all replacing our avatars with real photos!!!

ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

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Can I ask whether you (or other donors or even the AD) are at all concerned with kidd's alleged off court indiscretions. I'm just curious whether this is going to play any role in the decision.

I'm also mildly surprised you're a Kidd guy. What are some reasons you prefer him over a guy like turner?

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Donors want wins is my guess and access to the coach. My guess is donors changed the original decision on the basis of pulling /providing support, and JK blinked. And yes, donors want Kidd.

I'm not sure what impact his off the court indiscretions will have. He has made the rounds at Berkeley for various events recently and has been well received. On the domestic abuse side, this Chancellor's support would help. If you are asking me, he is very different than the guy that was a player (nothing like being on the management side to get a different perspective).

As for coaching, in his last gig, the Bucks turned from one of the worst to one of the best defenses in the Association. Cal needs huge help in this area. He has been very good at developing guards and wings, and hired the right guy to help on bigs. I think recruiting would get stronger. You are a five star guard and he comes in the door and talks guard fundamentals - you listen. He seems modest enough to know his weaknesses and hire guys that can do the other work. If he takes the Cal job, he likely stays. Other coaches it is a stepping stone to places that pay more like Martin. Kidd doesn't need the money. For some reason, we don't account for coaches actually getting smarter and developing in their own right. Kidd had done that which is why the Lakers also are interested. He was a smart player and now is a smart coach. One thing he does is spend a lot of time in practice on fundamentals, which bodes well for college.

I don't dislike Turner. Turner is somewhat unproven (one post-season NCAA victory), he probably has to have a long distance relationship with his family as his wife has a successful career, which is not good for retention. purposes. He served under some really good coaches as an assistant. I don't know if he is a D1 coach or a D! recruiter. He is very good with coaching bigs. He is not the exciting hire that Kidd would be. He is a southern guy, not a Bay Area guy like Kidd, but he did just fine at Furd. Just think the wow factor, Kidd knowing Cal and the Bay Area, plus Kidd's experience both as a player and coach at the highest level, makes him a more desirable fit from a Cal, donor, recruiting, excitement, and basketball standpoint. Turner certainly doesn't have the baggage Kidd brings from when he was a player. But I'm looking at Kidd and Turner as they are now.

wifeisafurd said:

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ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

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Can I ask whether you (or other donors or even the AD) are at all concerned with kidd's alleged off court indiscretions. I'm just curious whether this is going to play any role in the decision.

I'm also mildly surprised you're a Kidd guy. What are some reasons you prefer him over a guy like turner?

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Donors want wins is my guess and access to the coach. My guess is donors changed the original decision on the basis of pulling /providing support, and JK blinked. And yes, donors want Kidd.

I'm not sure what impact his off the court indiscretions will have. He has made the rounds at Berkeley for various events recently and has been well received. On the domestic abuse side, this Chancellor's support would help. If you are asking me, he is very different than the guy that was a player (nothing like being on the management side to get a different perspective).

As for coaching, in his last gig, the Bucks turned from one of the worst to one of the best defenses in the Association. Cal needs huge help in this area. He has been very good at developing guards and wings, and hired the right guy to help on bigs. I think recruiting would get stronger. You are a five star guard and he comes in the door and talks guard fundamentals - you listen. He seems modest enough to know his weaknesses and hire guys that can do the other work. If he takes the Cal job, he likely stays. Other coaches it is a stepping stone to places that pay more like Martin. Kidd doesn't need the money. For some reason, we don't account for coaches actually getting smarter and developing in their own right. Kidd had done that which is why the Lakers also are interested. He was a smart player and now is a smart coach. One thing he does is spend a lot of time in practice on fundamentals, which bodes well for college.

I don't dislike Turner. Turner is somewhat unproven (one post-season NCAA victory), he probably has to have a long distance relationship with his family as his wife has a successful career, which is not good for retention. purposes. He served under some really good coaches as an assistant. I don't know if he is a D1 coach or a D! recruiter. He is very good with coaching bigs. He is not the exciting hire that Kidd would be. He is a southern guy, not a Bay Area guy like Kidd, but he did just fine at Furd. Just think the wow factor, Kidd knowing Cal and the Bay Area, plus Kidd's experience both as a player and coach at the highest level, makes him a more desirable fit from a Cal, donor, recruiting, excitement, and basketball standpoint. Turner certainly doesn't have the baggage Kidd brings from when he was a player. But I'm looking at Kidd and Turner as they are now.

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Well I'm sold. But to be fair, I've wanted Kidd for at least the past 10+ years.

If I'm reading between the lines, it seems like the donors and the AD are sold. So it's going to come down to the chancellor and the Lakers.

OneTopOneChickenApple said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

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Can I ask whether you (or other donors or even the AD) are at all concerned with kidd's alleged off court indiscretions. I'm just curious whether this is going to play any role in the decision.

I'm also mildly surprised you're a Kidd guy. What are some reasons you prefer him over a guy like turner?

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Donors want wins is my guess and access to the coach. My guess is donors changed the original decision on the basis of pulling /providing support, and JK blinked. So yes, donors want Kidd.

I'm not sure what impact his off the court indiscretions will have. He has made the rounds at Berkeley for various events recently and has been well received. On the domestic abuse side, this Chancellor's support would help. If you are asking me, he is very different that the guy that was a player (nothing like being on the management side to get a different perspective).

As for coaching, in his last gig, the Bucks turned from one of the worst to one of the best defenses in the Association. Cal needs huge help in this area. He has been very good at developing guards and wings, and hired the right guy to help on bigs. I think recruiting would get stronger. You are a five star guard and he comes in the door and talks guard fundamental - you listen. He seems modest enough to know his weaknesses and hire guys that can do the other work. If he takes the Cal job, he likes stays. Other coaches it is a stepping stone to places that pay more like Martin. Kidd doesn't need the money. For some reason, we don't account for coaches actually getting smarter and developing in their own right. Kidd had done that which is why the Lakers also are interest. he was a smart player and now is a smart coach. One thing he does is spend a lot of time in practice on fundamentals, which bodes well for college.

I don't dislike Turner. Turner is somewhat unproven (one post-season NCAA victory), he probably has to have a long distance relationship with his family as his wife has a successful career, which is not good for retention. purposes. He served under some really good coaches as an assistant. I don't know if he is a D1 coach or a D! recruiter. He is very good with coaching bigs. He is not the exciting hire that Kidd would be. He is a southern guy, not a Bay Area guy like Kidd, but he did just fine at Furd. Just think the wow factor, Kidd knowing Cal and the Bay Area, plus Kidd's experience both as a player and coach at the highest level, makes him a more disable fit from a Cal, donor, recruiting, excitement, and basketball standpoint. Turner certainly doesn't have the baggage Kidd brings from when he was a player. But I'm looking at Kidd and Turner as they are now.

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I just don't see Kidd, if hired, staying very long. He would always have an eye out for the next NBA job. We need a ten-year coach and stability.

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If you expect a ten year coach I fear you will be disappointed

UCBerkGrad said:

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OneTopOneChickenApple said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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Have to disagree, but that is something we can discuss privately. Eric for example indicated Jones was being retained.

I hope what changed is Kidd.

BTW, I support JK's decision, but would have understood and accepted the reasons for another year (the prominent (one being the lack of a desirable replacement at the right price).

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Can I ask whether you (or other donors or even the AD) are at all concerned with kidd's alleged off court indiscretions. I'm just curious whether this is going to play any role in the decision.

I'm also mildly surprised you're a Kidd guy. What are some reasons you prefer him over a guy like turner?

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Donors want wins is my guess and access to the coach. My guess is donors changed the original decision on the basis of pulling /providing support, and JK blinked. So yes, donors want Kidd.

I'm not sure what impact his off the court indiscretions will have. He has made the rounds at Berkeley for various events recently and has been well received. On the domestic abuse side, this Chancellor's support would help. If you are asking me, he is very different that the guy that was a player (nothing like being on the management side to get a different perspective).

As for coaching, in his last gig, the Bucks turned from one of the worst to one of the best defenses in the Association. Cal needs huge help in this area. He has been very good at developing guards and wings, and hired the right guy to help on bigs. I think recruiting would get stronger. You are a five star guard and he comes in the door and talks guard fundamental - you listen. He seems modest enough to know his weaknesses and hire guys that can do the other work. If he takes the Cal job, he likes stays. Other coaches it is a stepping stone to places that pay more like Martin. Kidd doesn't need the money. For some reason, we don't account for coaches actually getting smarter and developing in their own right. Kidd had done that which is why the Lakers also are interest. he was a smart player and now is a smart coach. One thing he does is spend a lot of time in practice on fundamentals, which bodes well for college.

I don't dislike Turner. Turner is somewhat unproven (one post-season NCAA victory), he probably has to have a long distance relationship with his family as his wife has a successful career, which is not good for retention. purposes. He served under some really good coaches as an assistant. I don't know if he is a D1 coach or a D! recruiter. He is very good with coaching bigs. He is not the exciting hire that Kidd would be. He is a southern guy, not a Bay Area guy like Kidd, but he did just fine at Furd. Just think the wow factor, Kidd knowing Cal and the Bay Area, plus Kidd's experience both as a player and coach at the highest level, makes him a more disable fit from a Cal, donor, recruiting, excitement, and basketball standpoint. Turner certainly doesn't have the baggage Kidd brings from when he was a player. But I'm looking at Kidd and Turner as they are now.

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I just don't see Kidd, if hired, staying very long. He would always have an eye out for the next NBA job. We need a ten-year coach and stability.

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If you expect a ten year coach I fear you will be disappointed

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I'll take eight, but ten isn't impossible. We did have one in Braun.

UrsaMajor said:

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There was never any evidence that he was intending to keep WJ except for Jeff Goodman and the Comical. Consider the sources.

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You may have it right.
Knowlton says "No one talked to me."