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When you eliminate all the coaches who are not a good fit for Cal and then eliminate all the coaches that Cal isn't a good for them, what are you left with?

Wyking Jones?

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Travis
Dennis Gates
Kyle Smith

MilleniaBear said:

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Rome is a POS. Heat of battle trash talking is one thing. Rome invited Everett onto the show n pulled that crap. Everett should have kept going n punched him

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Oh....it was glorious cause I HATE rome ;-)

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Big C said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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What makes you think it was a gay slur?

If I call the Queen of England queen, am I saying she's homosexual?

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I think you were doing OK in this thread until this post lol.

But yah, I would dare say that most coaches of male sports have said some sexist, homophobic or chauvinistic remark at some point. If they deny it they are lying.

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I don't know.: It could easily be taken as anti-woman, rather than anti-gay. "You're not a MALE monarch. You're a FEMALE monarch! Ah-hahahahaha!" Kind of like when Jim Rome called Jim Everett "Chris" (as in Chris Evert) because he was struggling to stand up to the rush.

Of course, yeah, like he said, maybe it was equally about chess... like when I used to yell at Bobby Knight, "Hey Knight: You're a pawn!" He would get furious.

Either way, it was as weak as can be.

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Probably akin to something like "you got struck out by a girl." Unless it was Mo'ne Davis. It is hilarious that King's mom wants Turner to apologize.

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So someone explain. If Queen is reference to 'gay' it is certainly a no-no, but it it is 'you're playing like a girl" it is OK....Be interesting to see how this plays out down the line. Twenty or thirty years ago, both were thrown out. Today maybe 50-50, tomorrow both offensive I would guess.

OdontoBear66 said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Big C said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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What makes you think it was a gay slur?

If I call the Queen of England queen, am I saying she's homosexual?

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I think you were doing OK in this thread until this post lol.

But yah, I would dare say that most coaches of male sports have said some sexist, homophobic or chauvinistic remark at some point. If they deny it they are lying.

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I don't know.: It could easily be taken as anti-woman, rather than anti-gay. "You're not a MALE monarch. You're a FEMALE monarch! Ah-hahahahaha!" Kind of like when Jim Rome called Jim Everett "Chris" (as in Chris Evert) because he was struggling to stand up to the rush.

Of course, yeah, like he said, maybe it was equally about chess... like when I used to yell at Bobby Knight, "Hey Knight: You're a pawn!" He would get furious.

Either way, it was as weak as can be.

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Probably akin to something like "you got struck out by a girl." Unless it was Mo'ne Davis. It is hilarious that King's mom wants Turner to apologize.

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So someone explain. If Queen is reference to 'gay' it is certainly a no-no, but it it is 'you're playing like a girl" it is OK....Be interesting to see how this plays out down the line. Twenty or thirty years ago, both were thrown out. Today maybe 50-50, tomorrow both offensive I would guess.

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Sorry, but girls do play sports differently than boys.
Reality and truth doesn't have to be "hurtful".

My god, where's my safe space...?

Alkiadt said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Big C said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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Another Bear said:

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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What makes you think it was a gay slur?

If I call the Queen of England queen, am I saying she's homosexual?

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I think you were doing OK in this thread until this post lol.

But yah, I would dare say that most coaches of male sports have said some sexist, homophobic or chauvinistic remark at some point. If they deny it they are lying.

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I don't know.: It could easily be taken as anti-woman, rather than anti-gay. "You're not a MALE monarch. You're a FEMALE monarch! Ah-hahahahaha!" Kind of like when Jim Rome called Jim Everett "Chris" (as in Chris Evert) because he was struggling to stand up to the rush.

Of course, yeah, like he said, maybe it was equally about chess... like when I used to yell at Bobby Knight, "Hey Knight: You're a pawn!" He would get furious.

Either way, it was as weak as can be.

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Probably akin to something like "you got struck out by a girl." Unless it was Mo'ne Davis. It is hilarious that King's mom wants Turner to apologize.

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So someone explain. If Queen is reference to 'gay' it is certainly a no-no, but it it is 'you're playing like a girl" it is OK....Be interesting to see how this plays out down the line. Twenty or thirty years ago, both were thrown out. Today maybe 50-50, tomorrow both offensive I would guess.

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Sorry, but girls do play sports differently than boys.
Reality and truth doesn't have to be "hurtful".

My god, where's my safe space...?

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I was not talking about my opinion but speculating how this will play out with time. I have so many changes to things that were acceptable historically becoming not so over time. Just wondering.

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I'm sorry, but Turner really would not be a good fit at Cal. He is in trouble now in Irvine? Orange County? Honestly, Sonny Dykes was a better cultural fit.

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Huh?

He coached at Stanford for four years and with the Warriors for six years. Sonny's main trip to California before taking the job was beating us in the 2004 Holiday Bowl.

Re: academic fit, pretty sure UC Irvine has tougher admission requirements than Texas Tech.

And, while I can't be sure, I doubt Russell Turner would drive the largest SUV in the world for the 8 miles from his Piedmont home to campus.

Turner probably disqualified himself with this one comment, but show me one other questionable comment he's made. Main difference between Dykes and Turner -- one actually cares about defense.

OdontoBear66 said:

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Alkiadt said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Big C said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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Another Bear said:

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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What makes you think it was a gay slur?

If I call the Queen of England queen, am I saying she's homosexual?

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I think you were doing OK in this thread until this post lol.

But yah, I would dare say that most coaches of male sports have said some sexist, homophobic or chauvinistic remark at some point. If they deny it they are lying.

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I don't know.: It could easily be taken as anti-woman, rather than anti-gay. "You're not a MALE monarch. You're a FEMALE monarch! Ah-hahahahaha!" Kind of like when Jim Rome called Jim Everett "Chris" (as in Chris Evert) because he was struggling to stand up to the rush.

Of course, yeah, like he said, maybe it was equally about chess... like when I used to yell at Bobby Knight, "Hey Knight: You're a pawn!" He would get furious.

Either way, it was as weak as can be.

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Probably akin to something like "you got struck out by a girl." Unless it was Mo'ne Davis. It is hilarious that King's mom wants Turner to apologize.

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So someone explain. If Queen is reference to 'gay' it is certainly a no-no, but it it is 'you're playing like a girl" it is OK....Be interesting to see how this plays out down the line. Twenty or thirty years ago, both were thrown out. Today maybe 50-50, tomorrow both offensive I would guess.

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Sorry, but girls do play sports differently than boys.
Reality and truth doesn't have to be "hurtful".

My god, where's my safe space...?

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I was not talking about my opinion but speculating how this will play out with time. I have so many changes to things that were acceptable historically becoming not so over time. Just wondering.

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Sorry. My post was my opinion, and not particularly directed at your post.

Alkiadt said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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Alkiadt said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Big C said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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Another Bear said:

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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What makes you think it was a gay slur?

If I call the Queen of England queen, am I saying she's homosexual?

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I think you were doing OK in this thread until this post lol.

But yah, I would dare say that most coaches of male sports have said some sexist, homophobic or chauvinistic remark at some point. If they deny it they are lying.

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I don't know.: It could easily be taken as anti-woman, rather than anti-gay. "You're not a MALE monarch. You're a FEMALE monarch! Ah-hahahahaha!" Kind of like when Jim Rome called Jim Everett "Chris" (as in Chris Evert) because he was struggling to stand up to the rush.

Of course, yeah, like he said, maybe it was equally about chess... like when I used to yell at Bobby Knight, "Hey Knight: You're a pawn!" He would get furious.

Either way, it was as weak as can be.

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Probably akin to something like "you got struck out by a girl." Unless it was Mo'ne Davis. It is hilarious that King's mom wants Turner to apologize.

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So someone explain. If Queen is reference to 'gay' it is certainly a no-no, but it it is 'you're playing like a girl" it is OK....Be interesting to see how this plays out down the line. Twenty or thirty years ago, both were thrown out. Today maybe 50-50, tomorrow both offensive I would guess.

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Sorry, but girls do play sports differently than boys.
Reality and truth doesn't have to be "hurtful".

My god, where's my safe space...?

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I was not talking about my opinion but speculating how this will play out with time. I have so many changes to things that were acceptable historically becoming not so over time. Just wondering.

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Sorry. My post was my opinion, and not particularly directed at your post.

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No problem. I only responded because your post was "in response to Odonto". Cheers

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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You never played on the playground, did you?

Seriously, the game has changed and society is slowly adapting to social media and technology that sheds a light brighter then it did in the past. At Harmon, you could sit near the benches and would hear trash talking from coaches, assistants, players AND fans. That was a long time ago and it is now pretty rare and not as gritty.

My favorite overheard from a legendary coach, whose name I won't mention, but his initials were Ralph Miller. Something along the lines of:

"Nice to see you get that shot up. I bet you don't get it up like that for your boyfriend"

How would that play in today's world? At the time (like 1984?) Everyone in the area was whooping it up as a classic.

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.... The kid's name was King, it wasn't like the coaching was calling some random kid a queen. UCI came in as big underdogs and the coach was obviously trying to get in the kid's head. Inappropriate and amateur? Yes. Worthy of all the attention it's caused? Only in these crappy times we live in...

BeachedBear said:

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Another Bear said:

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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You never played on the playground, did you?

Seriously, the game has changed and society is slowly adapting to social media and technology that sheds a light brighter then it did in the past. At Harmon, you could sit near the benches and would hear trash talking from coaches, assistants, players AND fans. That was a long time ago and it is now pretty rare and not as gritty.

My favorite overheard from a legendary coach, whose name I won't mention, but his initials were Ralph Miller. Something along the lines of:

"Nice to see you get that shot up. I bet you don't get it up like that for your boyfriend"

How would that play in today's world? At the time (like 1984?) Everyone in the area was whooping it up as a classic.

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Actually I did. Northside in Berkeley, Panhandle in SF...then horse at Argonne. I didn't however talk smack or trash. The opposite, said nothing. It's difficult to smack talk a guy who doesn't talk. Give them nothing, also you don't waste time or risk a butt stomping. When you do say something...carries a bit more impact.

The question if old school disparaging your opponent, referencing gay stuff, would work today. It's still happening but likely at HS. The good ones don't go there with gay or anything like that. I read a few articles about Larry Bird after this thread started. He never disparaged based on the person...instead he called his shot and rubbed it in. Did stuff like tell the other bench he's going to drop a 3 for a game winner and mock them while the ball is going in.

Calling your shot then some mockery (no cursing, slurs) is fair gamesmanship because it's about this play. Going after a person for being different, weak sauce, personal.

On that note, I was thinking...someone should really write a book, with a linguistics breakdown of trash talk and the different types, if not done already. Example, calling your own shot and mockery is a shooters play but what does the defensive guy do after a block? I think gloat is about it, a laugh...but the action said it all.

Yogi Bear said:

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Big C said:

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I've had ZERO respect for Rome ever since then. It was so weak, I could never get past it, no matter what else he did. Of course, Everett's best reaction WOULD'VE been to discuss it with him, rather than, "Oh yeah? Callin' me a woman?!?"

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As I said up thread, if you use playground rules...use and beware of all playground rules. Except a butt kicking if you talk trash and cross a line. Rome crossed a line. He had it coming.

Good trash talking is actually an art, especially if you keep it clean. It can be hilarious too, when even the trashed laughs. But sometimes it gets ugly.

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I like Larry Bird trash talk. Makes me laugh every time.

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Bird was the master. And as much as I hate to admit it, Brevan Knight of Furd was also a great trash-talker.

BeachedBear said:

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Another Bear said:

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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You never played on the playground, did you?

Seriously, the game has changed and society is slowly adapting to social media and technology that sheds a light brighter then it did in the past. At Harmon, you could sit near the benches and would hear trash talking from coaches, assistants, players AND fans. That was a long time ago and it is now pretty rare and not as gritty.

My favorite overheard from a legendary coach, whose name I won't mention, but his initials were Ralph Miller. Something along the lines of:

"Nice to see you get that shot up. I bet you don't get it up like that for your boyfriend"

How would that play in today's world? At the time (like 1984?) Everyone in the area was whooping it up as a classic.

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True. OTOH, in the 50's it was perfectly acceptable to call people "n----r."

OaktownBear said:

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Another Bear said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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Another Bear said:

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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What makes you think it was a gay slur?

If I call the Queen of England queen, am I saying she's homosexual?

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This definition works for me.

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In gay slang, queen is a term used to refer to a flamboyant or effeminate gay man. The term can either be pejorative or celebrated as a type of self-identification.

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Honestly, I didn't think he was calling him a flamboyant gay man. I thought he was using the feminine counterpart to his name in other words calling him a girl. (it's still stupid). I thought it was more akin to Cal fans chanting "Cheryl" at Reggie Miller.

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I had to honestly think about the first tine I heard queen or was aware of it. Here's the story: my older sister was an art school hipster in SF, ran night clubs in the 80s. Her best friend was a gay man, who did drag...Patsy Cline impersonation that started as an art school joke...but soon they toured, seriously. So while at Cal my sister would invite me to parties, clubs, after-hours stuff...so I'd meet her friends, hang out. Eye opening stuff for a 19-20 y.o. Yes, I had typical young man's homophobia, so I thank my sister. I don't think queen was used then but drag queen was used, or drag. Then it was queen. I don't think I've ever really used it...but I've heard it.

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Okay, it's over. Frankly I'd still interview Turner but have to ask him about it.

For me, it's not what he said (which I don't find that offensive). But it's the clear lack of judgment that's concerning.

1. In this day and age, he should have known better

2. His chess explanation was offensive to anyone with half a brain. Should've just issued the apology immediately rather than waiting until after he comes under fire by the national media

His lack of judgment in this situation is not disqualifying, but it's sonething to at least factor in.

Spoke with client and long time basketball junkie/close friend of former NCAA Champion bball coach who is still in coaching -- even though he is older and more conservative than i am he said the Turner stuff didn't bother him at all -- said more commonplace than I apparently knew about. Told be to ignore it.

john wooden trash-talked every game for 25 years. if he were coaching today, he would not be considered a candidate because of his "insensitivity" . sign off the times. I have a great idea: Let's hire Jesus of nazareth. he would never say anything nasty about anyone. Can't coach?????Goes 0-18 every year for 30 years????who cares???He's inclusive and diverse.

Doesn't matter anyway. The market now has a coach that's a clear notch above Russell Turner/Travis DeCuire with proven results.

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john wooden trash-talked every game for 25 years. if he were coaching today, he would not be considered a candidate because of his "insensitivity" . sign off the times. I have a great idea: Let's hire Jesus of nazareth. he would never say anything nasty about anyone. Can't coach?????Goes 0-18 every year for 30 years????who cares???He's inclusive and diverse.

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That would be 33 years and c'mon you know full well any coach with that record would be cruci...no, I can't do it.

UrsaMajor said:

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BeachedBear said:

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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You never played on the playground, did you?

Seriously, the game has changed and society is slowly adapting to social media and technology that sheds a light brighter then it did in the past. At Harmon, you could sit near the benches and would hear trash talking from coaches, assistants, players AND fans. That was a long time ago and it is now pretty rare and not as gritty.

My favorite overheard from a legendary coach, whose name I won't mention, but his initials were Ralph Miller. Something along the lines of:

"Nice to see you get that shot up. I bet you don't get it up like that for your boyfriend"

How would that play in today's world? At the time (like 1984?) Everyone in the area was whooping it up as a classic.

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True. OTOH, in the 50's it was perfectly acceptable to call people "n----r."

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Not where I grew up, or anywhere else I happened to go at the time. The only people who got away with that were of that race talking to others of the same race The people who were not of that race could use the word only in private or among friends of a like mind or persuasion. If they used it in public, in a group including blacks, they usually did so at their own peril.

SFCityBear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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BeachedBear said:

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Another Bear said:

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Trash talking is one thing. Gay slurs are another. I'm okay with trash talking (within reason) but then again I'm okay with trash talkers getting their butts kicked. If you use playground rules, use them all.

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You never played on the playground, did you?

Seriously, the game has changed and society is slowly adapting to social media and technology that sheds a light brighter then it did in the past. At Harmon, you could sit near the benches and would hear trash talking from coaches, assistants, players AND fans. That was a long time ago and it is now pretty rare and not as gritty.

My favorite overheard from a legendary coach, whose name I won't mention, but his initials were Ralph Miller. Something along the lines of:

"Nice to see you get that shot up. I bet you don't get it up like that for your boyfriend"

How would that play in today's world? At the time (like 1984?) Everyone in the area was whooping it up as a classic.

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True. OTOH, in the 50's it was perfectly acceptable to call people "n----r."

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Not where I grew up, or anywhere else I happened to go at the time. The only people who got away with that were of that race talking to others of the same race The people who were not of that race could use the word only in private or among friends of a like mind or persuasion. If they used it in public, in a group including blacks, they usually did so at their own peril.

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Could not agree with you more. Of course, both of us grew up in the Bay Area.

helltopay1 said:

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john wooden trash-talked every game for 25 years. if he were coaching today, he would not be considered a candidate because of his "insensitivity" . sign off the times. I have a great idea: Let's hire Jesus of nazareth. he would never say anything nasty about anyone. Can't coach?????Goes 0-18 every year for 30 years????who cares???He's inclusive and diverse.

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I'm fine with trash talking between players and some stuff from coaches but full trashing a player as a coach, punk stuff and I don't care if he's the Wizard of Westwood. Sure some of it's gamesmanship but some of it is authority figure crapping on student athletes. And yes, it was a different era.

If you're calling a player a girl or a woman, that's bull. If make a comments like "shtty play there bucko" that's fair. Good trash talking isn't personal, it's about the game or the play. Read up Larry Bird, he basically called his shot and then mocked the opposition...nothing personal.

An alternate approach is to conduct intel and find out name caller's weakness and then tailor make some verbal abuse back. If that causes name caller to lose his sh@t and attack you then at least you have the excuse you were acting in self defense when you throttled him.

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john wooden trash-talked every game for 25 years. if he were coaching today, he would not be considered a candidate because of his "insensitivity" . sign off the times. I have a great idea: Let's hire Jesus of nazareth. he would never say anything nasty about anyone. Can't coach?????Goes 0-18 every year for 30 years????who cares???He's inclusive and diverse.

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I'm fine with trash talking between players and some stuff from coaches but full trashing a player as a coach, punk stuff and I don't care if he's the Wizard of Westwood. Sure some of it's gamesmanship but some of it is authority figure crapping on student athletes. And yes, it was a different era.

If you're calling a player a girl or a woman, that's bull. If make a comments like "shtty play there bucko" that's fair. Good trash talking isn't personal, it's about the game or the play. Read up Larry Bird, he basically called his shot and then mocked the opposition...nothing personal.

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You might want to look up "bucko" in Urban Dictionary, but prepare yourself in advance to be offended and disgusted.

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john wooden trash-talked every game for 25 years. if he were coaching today, he would not be considered a candidate because of his "insensitivity" . sign off the times. I have a great idea: Let's hire Jesus of nazareth. he would never say anything nasty about anyone. Can't coach?????Goes 0-18 every year for 30 years????who cares???He's inclusive and diverse.

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I'm fine with trash talking between players and some stuff from coaches but full trashing a player as a coach, punk stuff and I don't care if he's the Wizard of Westwood. Sure some of it's gamesmanship but some of it is authority figure crapping on student athletes. And yes, it was a different era.

If you're calling a player a girl or a woman, that's bull. If make a comments like "shtty play there bucko" that's fair. Good trash talking isn't personal, it's about the game or the play. Read up Larry Bird, he basically called his shot and then mocked the opposition...nothing personal.

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You might want to look up "bucko" in Urban Dictionary, but prepare yourself in advance to be offended and disgusted.

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I looked it up...nothing weird from what I can see. I figured since Richie Cunningham used it with Fonzie, it was safe.

If there is such a thing as looking "dickish," I think Turner looks dickish. He has what we used to call a punchable face.

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An alternate approach is to conduct intel and find out name caller's weakness and then tailor make some verbal abuse back.

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That's great for the Straw Had Band, not so much for the coach.

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bearister said:

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An alternate approach is to conduct intel and find out name caller's weakness and then tailor make some verbal abuse back.

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That's great for the Straw Had Band, not so much for the coach.

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My comment was in response to a comment by Another Bear which he has since deleted. I am referring to life in the mean streets not a coach's on court conduct. With regard to the Straw Hat band, they would best be served to just stick to music.

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john wooden trash-talked every game for 25 years. if he were coaching today, he would not be considered a candidate because of his "insensitivity" . sign off the times. I have a great idea: Let's hire Jesus of nazareth. he would never say anything nasty about anyone. Can't coach?????Goes 0-18 every year for 30 years????who cares???He's inclusive and diverse.

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I'm fine with trash talking between players and some stuff from coaches but full trashing a player as a coach, punk stuff and I don't care if he's the Wizard of Westwood. Sure some of it's gamesmanship but some of it is authority figure crapping on student athletes. And yes, it was a different era.

If you're calling a player a girl or a woman, that's bull. If make a comments like "shtty play there bucko" that's fair. Good trash talking isn't personal, it's about the game or the play. Read up Larry Bird, he basically called his shot and then mocked the opposition...nothing personal.

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You might want to look up "bucko" in Urban Dictionary, but prepare yourself in advance to be offended and disgusted.

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I looked it up...nothing weird from what I can see. I figured since Richie Cunningham used it with Fonzie, it was safe.

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Yeah? Did you try spelling it backwards?

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Big C said:

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helltopay1 said:

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john wooden trash-talked every game for 25 years. if he were coaching today, he would not be considered a candidate because of his "insensitivity" . sign off the times. I have a great idea: Let's hire Jesus of nazareth. he would never say anything nasty about anyone. Can't coach?????Goes 0-18 every year for 30 years????who cares???He's inclusive and diverse.

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I'm fine with trash talking between players and some stuff from coaches but full trashing a player as a coach, punk stuff and I don't care if he's the Wizard of Westwood. Sure some of it's gamesmanship but some of it is authority figure crapping on student athletes. And yes, it was a different era.

If you're calling a player a girl or a woman, that's bull. If make a comments like "shtty play there bucko" that's fair. Good trash talking isn't personal, it's about the game or the play. Read up Larry Bird, he basically called his shot and then mocked the opposition...nothing personal.

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You might want to look up "bucko" in Urban Dictionary, but prepare yourself in advance to be offended and disgusted.

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I looked it up...nothing weird from what I can see. I figured since Richie Cunningham used it with Fonzie, it was safe.

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Yeah? Did you try spelling it backwards?

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I got OKcupid. Yes that is EVIL and sick.

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If there is such a thing as looking "dickish," I think Turner looks dickish. He has what we used to call a punchable face.

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I am glad he revealed how "dickish" he is before we hired him. There are better coaches available.

Yes, he's eliminated himself, obviously.