Mick Cronin hired to be UCLAs head coach

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tsubamoto2001
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Not an accurate take, with all due respect. You must not remember much about the Lavin tenure at UCLA. It was not a snap decision to fire him. Save for those Tourney runs (Sweet 16 is not impressive at UCLA, let's be real...they don't hang banners for that) his teams underachieved greatly during the regular season. He'd pull in top ranked recruiting classes, but the players did not develop, the teams lacked cohesion and did not play hard on a consistent basis. He was in over his head, frankly. He got the job at age 32, because fellow assistants Lorenzo Romar (left for the Pepperdine job) and Greg White (left for Marshall job) took head coaching jobs at other schools before Jim Harrick was fired for lying about a recruiting dinner. He basically went from being the 3rd assistant to the head coach in 1 year.

Howland had it rolling before the culture of his program started unraveling due to some bad recruiting decisions.

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calumnus said:


Lavin was getting them to Sweet 16s based on recruiting alone,
Which is why ucla was dumb to get rid of him. They haven't done better since. Lavin was doing what Sean Miller has done at Arizona -- recruiting first, second, and third; coaching 'em up farther down the list. Difference is that Arizona's boosters and administration don't run off a head coach who consistently makes the sweet 16 just because he doesn't win any national titles.

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Howlands undoing was losing Kerry Keating as his top recruiter
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tsubamoto2001 said:

Not an accurate take, with all due respect. You must not remember much about the Lavin tenure at UCLA. It was not a snap decision to fire him. Save for those Tourney runs (Sweet 16 is not impressive at UCLA, let's be real...they don't hang banners for that) his teams underachieved greatly during the regular season. He'd pull in top ranked recruiting classes, but the players did not develop, the teams lacked cohesion and did not play hard on a consistent basis. He was in over his head, frankly. He got the job at age 32, because fellow assistants Lorenzo Romar (left for the Pepperdine job) and Greg White (left for Marshall job) took head coaching jobs at other schools before Jim Harrick was fired for lying about a recruiting dinner. He basically went from being the 3rd assistant to the head coach in 1 year.

Howland had it rolling before the culture of his program started unraveling due to some bad recruiting decisions.

BearSD said:

calumnus said:


Lavin was getting them to Sweet 16s based on recruiting alone,
Which is why ucla was dumb to get rid of him. They haven't done better since. Lavin was doing what Sean Miller has done at Arizona -- recruiting first, second, and third; coaching 'em up farther down the list. Difference is that Arizona's boosters and administration don't run off a head coach who consistently makes the sweet 16 just because he doesn't win any national titles.


-- Sweet 16s used to be "not good enough" at UCLA. Their biggest problem is that they still think there's someone out there who can win 10 national titles in 11 years.

-- It's a results-oriented business, or at least it should be, so I'm not as agitated by the perception that Lavin wasn't a coaching genius. If you prioritize a coach who looks like he's running a well-managed program over a coach whose teams regularly do well in the NCAA tournament, then you end up hiring guys like Mark Fox.
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