http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26498932/nevada-brown-enters-transfer-portal

He'll probably end up at Stanfurd.

He would get lots of PT here!

Can you link to the twitter video of the new coach's speech that scared him off?

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He'll probably end up at Stanfurd.

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At least he can file Pass-Not Pass after taking a Final there.

We may have a shot at him

If Fox can pull Brown, I'll give him a pass on the exodus.

mcdbear said:

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We may have a shot at him

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Not without Vanover. Brown doesn't want to play center.

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Can you link to the twitter video of the new coach's speech that scared him off?

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This guy?



(Yes, I'm well aware that's not his introductory talk at Nevada.)

We have a young center in Andre Kelly. (Hold on hope.)

btownbear said:

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We have a young center in Andre Kelly. (Hold on hope.)

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Andre wasn't enough to lure Brown as a frosh, and I don't think he did enough last season to change Brown's mind.

That is likely a good point. Argh.

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We have a young center in Andre Kelly. (Hold on hope.)

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he's not a center!!!

Vanover probably stays since he won't be double teamed if Brown joins Cal. That said, no power forward with NBA aspirations should want to play before the refs in this conference.

Well he isn't a 4 in today's game. That much is sure.

Let me elaborate. I hope Andre will soon take opposite 4's off the dribble and hit the chippie, hit mid-range jumpers and the occasional three, and D up other 4's. And also play heavy minutes at the 5.

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Well he isn't a 4 in today's game. That much is sure.

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IMHO not enough quickness to play 4, especially on defense. Not enough length or hops to play 5, especially on defense. Better on offense due to skills, better on the boards due to bulk. I think he can help us if he improves as much as Anticevich did.

If Kelly gets fanatical about his diet and conditioning, he could end up being a lot quicker and jumpier. And if he decides he wants to defend, the new staff could really help him. He has offensive skills right now that were under-utilized this past season.

A couple weeks ago THe Athletic had a really good article about how the traditional 4 (back to the basket, Charles Barkley type) is now obsolete in the nba.

The theory, according to the article, is that in today's game, you can only afford to have one big on the court (due to needing to spread the court on offense and needing to defend more pnrs on defense). So if you can only have one big, a 5 has more utility than a 4. So rather than playing a traditional 4, most teams will play either smaller guys or a stretch 4.

I thought about that, and it's very true. I can't think of a single good traditional 4 in the nba. Blake griffin is probably the closest, but even he has developed and outside shot.

And this is gojng to be the problem for a guy like Kelly. His best attribute is his low post game, but the game has gone away from that style of play. And as another poster stated, he's too slow to guard pnrs and not tall/springy enough to be a rim protecter. So he's an absolute liability on defense and (since he can't shoot threes) he basically clogs the lane on offense.

Vanover on the other hand has way more utility since he can block shots and shoot threes.

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A couple weeks ago THe Athletic had a really good article about how the traditional 4 (back to the basket, Charles Barkley type) is now obsolete in the nba.

The theory, according to the article, is that in today's game, you can only afford to have one big on the court (due to needing to spread the court on offense and needing to defend more pnrs on defense). So if you can only have one big, a 5 has more utility than a 4. So rather than playing a traditional 4, most teams will play either smaller guys or a stretch 4.

I thought about that, and it's very true. I can't think of a single good traditional 4 in the nba. Blake griffin is probably the closest, but even he has developed and outside shot.

And this is gojng to be the problem for a guy like Kelly. His best attribute is his low post game, but the game has gone away from that style of play. And as another poster stated, he's too slow to guard pnrs and not tall/springy enough to be a rim protecter. So he's an absolute liability on defense and (since he can't shoot threes) he basically clogs the lane on offense.

Vanover on the other hand has way more utility since he can block shots and shoot threes.

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Charles Barkley was a back to the basket power forward?

As for a "traditional" power forward, I guess it depends on who you consider traditional. Barkley wasn't a traditional player, but you seemed to lump him into that group. If it's just guys who play a power game and don't shoot a lot of 3's, it's not too hard to think of someone who fits that profile.

Could Kelly be a Lampley type player?

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bluehenbear said:

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Could Kelly be a Lampley type player?

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If he was as talented and athletic as Lampley, sure. Honestly, I see him more as a poor man's Leonard Taylor.

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The college game is not the NBA game.

We are not so advanced that we can afford to be particular about the exact skill set to fit into an exact style of play. We need to accumulate talent then ave a coach who can find a way to make our collection of talent work. If we can get Brown we have to take him.

Wow.
Jordan Brown to Neveada was a TOTAL BUST!!!

1. He got very little playing time.
2. They did not do well in the tournament, whereas some were calling they a final four darkhorse or sleeper.
3. His coach (Musselman) has left for another program.

Could it have gone worse?
Injury
Flunk out
In other words, no, not really.

And now he's gonna have to sit out a year as a transfer? When people were concerned he'd be a one and done at Cal?
Give me a break!!!

I think it would be great if he came to Cal, but I bet he goes back east. I dunno why I say that, other than after a year under his belt, proximity to home is less important than saving his pro hoops career, and there are more numerous opportunities in the east than west, (it's a population thing).

That could be pretty cool, Vanover and Brown together.

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BeachedBear said:

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bluehenbear said:

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Could Kelly be a Lampley type player?

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If he was as talented and athletic as Lampley, sure. Honestly, I see him more as a poor man's Leonard Taylor.

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Right now, he's David Paris, but he doesn't have to stay David Paris.

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BeachedBear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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bluehenbear said:

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Could Kelly be a Lampley type player?

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If he was as talented and athletic as Lampley, sure. Honestly, I see him more as a poor man's Leonard Taylor.

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Right now, he's David Paris, but he doesn't have to stay David Paris.

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Yes. That's a better comparison.

BeachedBear said:

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Big C said:

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BeachedBear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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bluehenbear said:

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Could Kelly be a Lampley type player?

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If he was as talented and athletic as Lampley, sure. Honestly, I see him more as a poor man's Leonard Taylor.

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Right now, he's David Paris, but he doesn't have to stay David Paris.

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Yes. That's a better comparison.

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Yep, David Paris is a good comparison. I'm going to be an optimist and say that Kelly has some baby fat, something he could get away with in HS, but not at Cal. When you're that age, it's not too hard to change things with a program to follow and a little discipline. Cut back on the carbs, lots of protein and vegetables, and running the fire trail a few times a week will do wonders. Then some weight training. Oh, to be 20 again. . . Running the fire trail on a summer morning, maybe the closest thing to heaven on earth.

concordtom said:

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Wow.
Jordan Brown to Neveada was a TOTAL BUST!!!

1. He got very little playing time.
2. They did not do well in the tournament, whereas some were calling they a final four darkhorse or sleeper.
3. His coach (Musselman) has left for another program.

Could it have gone worse?
Injury
Flunk out
In other words, no, not really.

And now he's gonna have to sit out a year as a transfer? When people were concerned he'd be a one and done at Cal?
Give me a break!!!

I think it would be great if he came to Cal, but I bet he goes back east. I dunno why I say that, other than after a year under his belt, proximity to home is less important than saving his pro hoops career, and there are more numerous opportunities in the east than west, (it's a population thing).

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Ha, reallly, could it have gone worse? Well, I guess he could have come to Cal. Can't say we are in a much better spot. Oh ya, we have the degree.

If Jordan Brown had come to Cal, he would've gotten a TON of minutes in his first year. Then, if he continued to improve in his sophomore season, maybe he could be a two-and-done. Now, unless he gets some sort of waiver, the best he can probably hope for is to be a three-and-done.

Lesson for the top prep players (unless you're "sure-fire", one of the few Zion Williamsons of the world): Come to Cal!

Big C said:

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If Jordan Brown had come to Cal, he would've gotten a TON of minutes in his first year. Then, if he continued to improve in his sophomore season, maybe he could be a two-and-done. Now, unless he gets some sort of waiver, the best he can probably hope for is to be a three-and-done.

Lesson for the top prep players (unless you're "sure-fire", one of the few Zion Williamsons of the world): Come to Cal!

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Allow me to finish your sentence:

"...because we suck so bad you'll have no competition at your position (or teammates in general) - all the minutes you can muster!"

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Big C said:

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If Jordan Brown had come to Cal, he would've gotten a TON of minutes in his first year. Then, if he continued to improve in his sophomore season, maybe he could be a two-and-done. Now, unless he gets some sort of waiver, the best he can probably hope for is to be a three-and-done.

Lesson for the top prep players (unless you're "sure-fire", one of the few Zion Williamsons of the world): Come to Cal!

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Allow me to finish your sentence:

"...because we suck so bad you'll have no competition at your position (or teammates in general) - all the minutes you can muster!"

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Okay, not entirely untrue, but I'd prefer to put a positive spin on it. Leave out the "we suck" part, keep in the
"lots of minutes" part and throw in something like "imagine how great it will feel to be one of the ones who leads Cal back to the highest heights"!

I just had to laugh at the premise of your pitch.

Message to top recruits, come to Cal and play all you want - the cupboard is bare.
Similar to:
Message to skiers, come to Tahoe, we've got endless snow this season.

Hahahaha.

A player who spurns Cal for Nevada is not the kind of player likely to succeed at Cal. Also, all this talk of one-and-done and three-and-done should be reserved for players who can really play.

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Could Kelly be a Lampley type player?

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If he was as talented and athletic as Lampley, sure. Honestly, I see him more as a poor man's Leonard Taylor.

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Right now, he's David Paris, but he doesn't have to stay David Paris.

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Yes. That's a better comparison.

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Yep, David Paris is a good comparison. I'm going to be an optimist and say that Kelly has some baby fat, something he could get away with in HS, but not at Cal. When you're that age, it's not too hard to change things with a program to follow and a little discipline. Cut back on the carbs, lots of protein and vegetables, and running the fire trail a few times a week will do wonders. Then some weight training. Oh, to be 20 again. . . Running the fire trail on a summer morning, maybe the closest thing to heaven on earth.

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he really should hang out with #59 jK this summer who is in Berkeley who is the epitome of health...but the team has zero leaders and whatever scintilla of mature leadership was there is evaporating. I gdamn guarantee you Jk never fell asleep in a meeting.