https://247sports.com/college/ucla/Article/UCLA-Bruins-Football-Basketball-New-NCAA-Grad-Transfer-Rule-Could-Help-UCLA-146490723/

That could help Cal's chances with Flowers.

or any grad transfers, be it football or basketball.

In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

well that's interesting. Below is the issue with the current grad transfer rules... gives a huge advantage to schools who would admit any athlete to a grad transfer program ... obviously that's not Cal and puts us at ANOTHER competitive disadvantage

The NCAA site states: "Current rules require graduate transfer student-athletes to pursue a graduate degree, which has caused some tension between various academic departments and athletics departments."

College sports are totally corrupt.

Go Laundry!

UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Yes! Go Bears!

Wait, was your take on this more cynical?

Greg and Jim-would love to hear thoughts on this big change from Cal Football and Basketball Coaches and Recruiting Coordinators.

The first question is whether the Cal campus will allow these transfers to continue undergrad work? But assuming they do this would seem to level the playing field between Cal and schools like Oregon who take anybody as a graduate.

And as Ursa points out this is also open for corruption particularly in football where the season is over before anybody could lose their eligibility. Perhaps the NCAA in their great wisdom has a way to monitor grad transfer academics similar to their monitoring of undergrad academics.

UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Just another step on the path to move college athletics from an adjunct to education to sponsored affiliation. Expanded eligibility periods through redshirt and hardship rules, special admission policies, ever increasing ease of transfers and monetizing name/image of an athlete all get us closer to the day when athletes in money sports are essentially independent contractors representing the school much in the manner of the industrial basketball programs (Phillips 66'ers, Oakland Bittners) of the 1940's. It won't happen in my lifetime but I can foresee a transition to 2 levels of college sports: 1) a pro "AAA" group of 25-40 former power 5 schools that continue to feed the Bowls and the NFL; 2) a non-scholarship, recreational (Ivy/D-III) group comprised of the leftovers. I believe a large number of schools will simply abandon resource draining programs that can no longer be reconciled with any educational value.

I agree this is direction we are headed

What is the Euro model? Don't Euro colleges have some type of affiliation to sports teams?

59bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Just another step on the path to move college athletics from an adjunct to education to sponsored affiliation. Expanded eligibility periods through redshirt and hardship rules, special admission policies, ever increasing ease of transfers and monetizing name/image of an athlete all get us closer to the day when athletes in money sports are essentially independent contractors representing the school much in the manner of the industrial basketball programs (Phillips 66'ers, Oakland Bittners) of the 1940's. It won't happen in my lifetime but I can foresee a transition to 2 levels of college sports: 1) a pro "AAA" group of 25-40 former power 5 schools that continue to feed the Bowls and the NFL; 2) a non-scholarship, recreational (Ivy/D-III) group comprised of the leftovers. I believe a large number of schools will simply abandon resource draining programs that can no longer be reconciled with any educational value.

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Is there anything from stopping this from happing under the current rules?

Civil Bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Is there anything from stopping this from happing under the current rules?

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Only in schools that actually require enrollment in a real program (i.e., Cal) with real admission requirements. In the Oregons of the world nothing to stop it

Civil Bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Is there anything from stopping this from happing under the current rules?

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Only in schools that actually require enrollment in a real program (i.e., Cal) with real admission requirements. In the Oregons of the world nothing to stop it

Many schools are on the quarter system so players won't even need to be in school for a full academic year

UrsaMajor said:

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Civil Bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Is there anything from stopping this from happing under the current rules?

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Only in schools that actually require enrollment in a real program (i.e., Cal) with real admission requirements. In the Oregons of the world nothing to stop it

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UrsaMajor said:

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Civil Bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Is there anything from stopping this from happing under the current rules?

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Only in schools that actually require enrollment in a real program (i.e., Cal) with real admission requirements. In the Oregons of the world nothing to stop it

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I guess I just don't see how the new rules make it any easier for grad students to not show up for classes. They will still need to be academically eligible to play, just like before, right?

In this revolving-door environment, does it make sense to become emotionally attached to any athlete or school when one knows full well the athlete may be playing for another school the following year??As the Brits would say, "poor form all-around."

Civil Bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Is there anything from stopping this from happing under the current rules?

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Only in schools that actually require enrollment in a real program (i.e., Cal) with real admission requirements. In the Oregons of the world nothing to stop it

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I guess I just don't see how the new rules make it any easier for grad students to not show up for classes. They will still need to be academically eligible to play, just like before, right?

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They can enroll in and
Undergrad program instead of fighting to get into grad school.

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Civil Bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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Civil Bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Is there anything from stopping this from happing under the current rules?

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Only in schools that actually require enrollment in a real program (i.e., Cal) with real admission requirements. In the Oregons of the world nothing to stop it

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I guess I just don't see how the new rules make it any easier for grad students to not show up for classes. They will still need to be academically eligible to play, just like before, right?

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They can enroll in and
Undergrad program instead of fighting to get into grad school.

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Yes, easier to enroll, but you still need to stay academically eligible as with the current rules (ie still need to go to class).

HoopDreams said:

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I agree this is direction we are headed

What is the Euro model? Don't Euro colleges have some type of affiliation to sports teams?

59bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Just another step on the path to move college athletics from an adjunct to education to sponsored affiliation. Expanded eligibility periods through redshirt and hardship rules, special admission policies, ever increasing ease of transfers and monetizing name/image of an athlete all get us closer to the day when athletes in money sports are essentially independent contractors representing the school much in the manner of the industrial basketball programs (Phillips 66'ers, Oakland Bittners) of the 1940's. It won't happen in my lifetime but I can foresee a transition to 2 levels of college sports: 1) a pro "AAA" group of 25-40 former power 5 schools that continue to feed the Bowls and the NFL; 2) a non-scholarship, recreational (Ivy/D-III) group comprised of the leftovers. I believe a large number of schools will simply abandon resource draining programs that can no longer be reconciled with any educational value.

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Maybe it has changed in recent years, but traditionally, the Euro model (and South American and African model) is for top athletes to move away from standard high schools and to a professional academy at age 12-14. Universities are not as common in most foreign countries per capita (which is why many american schools have more foreign students than vice versa). Sports at Universities are strictly intramural. There is no television or big stadiums. The best players in soccer and basketball, for example, generally do not attend colleges.

Again there are probably exceptions and perhaps a lot has changed, but that was how the Euro model was so much different than the US model.

But for football in the fall semester grades don't even come out until after the season is over. So if somebody doesn't show up for class or do the work it doesn't matter.

Civil Bear said:

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oskidunker said:

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Civil Bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Is there anything from stopping this from happing under the current rules?

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Only in schools that actually require enrollment in a real program (i.e., Cal) with real admission requirements. In the Oregons of the world nothing to stop it

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I guess I just don't see how the new rules make it any easier for grad students to not show up for classes. They will still need to be academically eligible to play, just like before, right?

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They can enroll in and
Undergrad program instead of fighting to get into grad school.

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Yes, easier to enroll, but you still need to stay academically eligible as with the current rules (ie still need to go to class).

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For basketball more so than football, unless you are in the BCS.

This could be really good for Cal. I think you could transfer to Cal, be immediately eligible, and pick a flexible major very similar to the one you got your degree in and if most of your credits transfer(key), pick up a Cal degree as well. Thus a player who has a history degree from Fresno State could transfer to Cal, take one semester of classes while playing and graduate with an American Studies degree from Cal.

I think Ursa is right..It's going to be easier for a player from Cal to transfer to Oregon State than a player from OSU to transfer to Cal.

Civil Bear said:

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oskidunker said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Is there anything from stopping this from happing under the current rules?

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Only in schools that actually require enrollment in a real program (i.e., Cal) with real admission requirements. In the Oregons of the world nothing to stop it

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I guess I just don't see how the new rules make it any easier for grad students to not show up for classes. They will still need to be academically eligible to play, just like before, right?

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They can enroll in and
Undergrad program instead of fighting to get into grad school.

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Yes, easier to enroll, but you still need to stay academically eligible as with the current rules (ie still need to go to class).

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for basketball, this is true, but since football ends before 1st semester grades are in, no need to go to class.

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I think Ursa is right..It's going to be easier for a player from Cal to transfer to Oregon State than a player from OSU to transfer to Cal.

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That has always been true.

Remember, these are players who essentially have a 5th year of eligibility. They have an undergrad degree but are not getting any NFL / NBA / professional interest. Some will transfer for playing time in their last year (I could see it most from teams with quality depth). However, I submit that for these types of players, the lure of picking up a Cal degree if you are at OSU is far greater than the lure of picking up an OSU degree if you are at Cal.

This could really be a good source of depth for Cal.

The bottom line is coaches should only redshirt players for injury.

UrsaMajor said:

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oskidunker said:

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Civil Bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Is there anything from stopping this from happing under the current rules?

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Only in schools that actually require enrollment in a real program (i.e., Cal) with real admission requirements. In the Oregons of the world nothing to stop it

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I guess I just don't see how the new rules make it any easier for grad students to not show up for classes. They will still need to be academically eligible to play, just like before, right?

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They can enroll in and
Undergrad program instead of fighting to get into grad school.

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Yes, easier to enroll, but you still need to stay academically eligible as with the current rules (ie still need to go to class).

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for basketball, this is true, but since football ends before 1st semester grades are in, no need to go to class.

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Ursa, perhaps there will be an APR equivalent for Grad Transfers, particularly those who pursue a second Undergrad degree. Theoretically this could help keeps the Nike U/*****gon's of the world honest.

UrsaMajor said:

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In other words, grad transfers no longer need to be students at all, but just enroll in a few courses that they don't show up for.

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Just like Matt Leinart 2005 with some ballroom dancing.

It does absolutely seem like a player that is working on a '2nd major' could enroll in some easy ass lower division classes and just bail.

Lol - does taking a Cal Extension class count?