dimitrig said:
When the winning team has been scoring over 110 points per game except in one instance there's not a lot of defense being played.
Yes, scoring overall is higher than it used to be (the Clippers scored 154 points in a playoff game?!) but part of that is the lack of defense. Lots of guys are going for blocks or reaching in for steals (which creates the exciting fast breaks when it works) instead of defending with their feet and body. Rather than running out on shooters, guys are more often allowing the open shot and releasing down the court for the fast break to get those points back.
I read an article on 538.com (linked here) below which speculates that after the long layoff players are not in the playoff shape they would have been. That would be most visible on the defensive end.
Why have NBA offenses been so good in the bubble
Don't get me wrong, the fast pace is entertaining to watch, but defense is an afterthought.
01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
Chapman_is_Gone said:01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
You can't be serious with this "BIPOC" ****...
01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
BearForce2 said:01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
What in the world is this ridiculous post?
BearForce2 said:
It took 6 games but Lebron James and the Lakers defeated a Miami Heat team that people will not remember led by superstar Jimmy Butler who found a way to score 12 points.
No doubt the Heat were punching above their weight class, no shame in losing. They're my coworker's childhood team and it thrilled him that they were playing in the Finals.Bearprof said:
I will remember the Heat. They came from nowhere and played some gutsy high quality basketball. No shame losing to the loaded Lakers.
It isn't jus the country clubbers.01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
wifeisafurd said:It isn't jus the country clubbers.01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280
But nice attempt to play the class card.
[url=https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280][/url]
I was able to lead the Pilatees class in a discussion of the final game so the women can show-up their husbands.
dude, the TV ratings tanked - forget how to read? That is what we call a broad selection size in our planet, you know people that watch your sport. I suppose there is no correlation in your little group between the actions the Association took and that fact that so few people watched the Finals which included a banner team, and perhaps one of the best players to put on sneakers. Maybe you should broaden your horizons beyond your rhetoric.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:It isn't jus the country clubbers.01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280
But nice attempt to play the class card.
[url=https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280][/url]
I was able to lead the Pilatees class in a discussion of the final game so the women can show-up their husbands.
I'm not sure the article says what you think it says. Adam Silver said the league is not going to continue posting the Black Lives Matter language next season. However, he never said it was because the messages hurt the league in any way. Moreover, the players never said anything about wanting to extend the messages beyond this season. If you'll recall, many of them had been considering opting out of the NBA bubble in order to continue advocating for equality, justice, and police reform. These players entered (and stayed in) the bubble after they reached a compromise and managed to continue their advocacy for while in the bubble, which included the messages on their jerseys and the basketball courts in the bubble. There were never any reports that these messages were planned or expected to extend beyond this season.
Finally, as for the accusations that I'm playing the class card, please. You realize you're the one who pulled that card by talking about how no one at your country club paid attention to the games. If anything, I just pointed out that your drawing conclusions about the larger community based on your selective sample size that is in no way reflective of society at large was just plain erroneous. Now, if there are non-affluent BIPOC members in your country club, then I'll be happy to retract my position and issue you an apology.
helltopay1 said:
NBA viewing down a whopping 70% . Covid is one consideration, of course. But, tons of fans are telling LeBron, et al to "just play the damn game, you morons, and let the politicians handle politics. Especially galling is the refusal of our oh so au Courant players to criticize their number one market, Communist China. communist China is wonderful, but, boy, that Donald Trump is really a threat to our Democracy. These folks would have to improve just to be idiots----ungrateful idiots at that..NFL viewership is down a whopping 50% also. same reasoning--play the damn game and place your BLM signs where the sun doesn't shine. You are paid to entertain us---you are not paid to inform us politically. It seems many fans are taking a knee to both the NBA and NFL. Good!!!Nothing like democracy and diversity!!!
wifeisafurd said:dude, the TV ratings tanked - forget how to read? That is what we call a broad selection size in our planet, you know people that watch your sport. I suppose there is no correlation in your little group between the actions the Association took and that fact that so few people watched the Finals which included a banner team, and perhaps one of the best players to put on sneakers. Maybe you should broaden your horizons beyond your rhetoric.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:It isn't jus the country clubbers.01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280
But nice attempt to play the class card.
[url=https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280][/url]
I was able to lead the Pilatees class in a discussion of the final game so the women can show-up their husbands.
I'm not sure the article says what you think it says. Adam Silver said the league is not going to continue posting the Black Lives Matter language next season. However, he never said it was because the messages hurt the league in any way. Moreover, the players never said anything about wanting to extend the messages beyond this season. If you'll recall, many of them had been considering opting out of the NBA bubble in order to continue advocating for equality, justice, and police reform. These players entered (and stayed in) the bubble after they reached a compromise and managed to continue their advocacy for while in the bubble, which included the messages on their jerseys and the basketball courts in the bubble. There were never any reports that these messages were planned or expected to extend beyond this season.
Finally, as for the accusations that I'm playing the class card, please. You realize you're the one who pulled that card by talking about how no one at your country club paid attention to the games. If anything, I just pointed out that your drawing conclusions about the larger community based on your selective sample size that is in no way reflective of society at large was just plain erroneous. Now, if there are non-affluent BIPOC members in your country club, then I'll be happy to retract my position and issue you an apology.
helltopay1 said:
NBA viewing down a whopping 70% . Covid is one consideration, of course. But, tons of fans are telling LeBron, et al to "just play the damn game, you morons, and let the politicians handle politics. Especially galling is the refusal of our oh so au Courant players to criticize their number one market, Communist China. communist China is wonderful, but, boy, that Donald Trump is really a threat to our Democracy. These folks would have to improve just to be idiots----ungrateful idiots at that..NFL viewership is down a whopping 50% also. same reasoning--play the damn game and place your BLM signs where the sun doesn't shine. You are paid to entertain us---you are not paid to inform us politically. It seems many fans are taking a knee to both the NBA and NFL. Good!!!Nothing like democracy and diversity!!!
Are you saying the NBA players' hullabaloo is mostly over past transgressions? You state there are certain people [the ones] promoting systematic racism, but the valid examples you provided are all past history.01Bear said:helltopay1 said:
NBA viewing down a whopping 70% . Covid is one consideration, of course. But, tons of fans are telling LeBron, et al to "just play the damn game, you morons, and let the politicians handle politics. Especially galling is the refusal of our oh so au Courant players to criticize their number one market, Communist China. communist China is wonderful, but, boy, that Donald Trump is really a threat to our Democracy. These folks would have to improve just to be idiots----ungrateful idiots at that..NFL viewership is down a whopping 50% also. same reasoning--play the damn game and place your BLM signs where the sun doesn't shine. You are paid to entertain us---you are not paid to inform us politically. It seems many fans are taking a knee to both the NBA and NFL. Good!!!Nothing like democracy and diversity!!!
Why should the NBA players have to speak up about China? To paraphrase Muhammad Ali, no Chinese ever called African-Americans the N-word. The ones who benefit and promote systemic racism in the US to the detriment of BIPOC is not the the Chinese. It's not the Chinese who are shooting African-Americans in the streets. It's not the Chinese who pushed for disparate sentencing guidelines between powder and crack cocaine. It's not the Chinese who enslaved African-Ameticans for hundreds of years. It's not the Chinese who denied African-Americans the right to vote. It's not the Chinese who implemented Jim Crow and segregation to oppress African-Americans.
That said, I am actually very much opposed to the CCP. I speak out against it. I protest the anti-civil rights actions of the CCP. I speak out against how the oppresses minority groups. I protest how the CCP has ignored international law and threatens its neighbors. However, I'm not African-American. I'm Asian-American. I see how my family has been harmed by the CCP.
Here's my question, where were you when I was protesting the CCP? Why didn't I see you there? If China is such a threat, what have you done to oppose it?
I'm chiming in with little to no knowledge of the subject, but it seems not everyone agrees on the definition of BIPOC.Civil Bear said:
Also, I am curious about your thoughts on why Asian-Americans are excluded from BIPOC.
Civil Bear said:Are you saying the NBA players' hullabaloo is mostly over past transgressions? You state there are certain people [the ones] promoting systematic racism, but the valid examples you provided are all past history.01Bear said:helltopay1 said:
NBA viewing down a whopping 70% . Covid is one consideration, of course. But, tons of fans are telling LeBron, et al to "just play the damn game, you morons, and let the politicians handle politics. Especially galling is the refusal of our oh so au Courant players to criticize their number one market, Communist China. communist China is wonderful, but, boy, that Donald Trump is really a threat to our Democracy. These folks would have to improve just to be idiots----ungrateful idiots at that..NFL viewership is down a whopping 50% also. same reasoning--play the damn game and place your BLM signs where the sun doesn't shine. You are paid to entertain us---you are not paid to inform us politically. It seems many fans are taking a knee to both the NBA and NFL. Good!!!Nothing like democracy and diversity!!!
Why should the NBA players have to speak up about China? To paraphrase Muhammad Ali, no Chinese ever called African-Americans the N-word. The ones who benefit and promote systemic racism in the US to the detriment of BIPOC is not the the Chinese. It's not the Chinese who are shooting African-Americans in the streets. It's not the Chinese who pushed for disparate sentencing guidelines between powder and crack cocaine. It's not the Chinese who enslaved African-Ameticans for hundreds of years. It's not the Chinese who denied African-Americans the right to vote. It's not the Chinese who implemented Jim Crow and segregation to oppress African-Americans.
That said, I am actually very much opposed to the CCP. I speak out against it. I protest the anti-civil rights actions of the CCP. I speak out against how the oppresses minority groups. I protest how the CCP has ignored international law and threatens its neighbors. However, I'm not African-American. I'm Asian-American. I see how my family has been harmed by the CCP.
Here's my question, where were you when I was protesting the CCP? Why didn't I see you there? If China is such a threat, what have you done to oppose it?
Civil Bear said:
Also, I am curious about your thoughts on why Asian-Americans are excluded from BIPOC.
Apparently the NBA Commissioner BLM contributed.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:dude, the TV ratings tanked - forget how to read? That is what we call a broad selection size in our planet, you know people that watch your sport. I suppose there is no correlation in your little group between the actions the Association took and that fact that so few people watched the Finals which included a banner team, and perhaps one of the best players to put on sneakers. Maybe you should broaden your horizons beyond your rhetoric.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:It isn't jus the country clubbers.01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280
But nice attempt to play the class card.
[url=https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280][/url]
I was able to lead the Pilatees class in a discussion of the final game so the women can show-up their husbands.
I'm not sure the article says what you think it says. Adam Silver said the league is not going to continue posting the Black Lives Matter language next season. However, he never said it was because the messages hurt the league in any way. Moreover, the players never said anything about wanting to extend the messages beyond this season. If you'll recall, many of them had been considering opting out of the NBA bubble in order to continue advocating for equality, justice, and police reform. These players entered (and stayed in) the bubble after they reached a compromise and managed to continue their advocacy for while in the bubble, which included the messages on their jerseys and the basketball courts in the bubble. There were never any reports that these messages were planned or expected to extend beyond this season.
Finally, as for the accusations that I'm playing the class card, please. You realize you're the one who pulled that card by talking about how no one at your country club paid attention to the games. If anything, I just pointed out that your drawing conclusions about the larger community based on your selective sample size that is in no way reflective of society at large was just plain erroneous. Now, if there are non-affluent BIPOC members in your country club, then I'll be happy to retract my position and issue you an apology.
If you'll note, I already addressed the decline un ratings for this year's NBA playoffs. I pointed out a number of reasons for this, including people being worried about Covid, people not feeling as connected to the game thanks to the games taking place in the NBA bubble, and football and baseball competing for eyeballs and attention. I really shouldn't have to repeat my prior arguments, as all that does is take us around in circles.
Moreover, you have yet to present any link between the social justice movement and the decline in ratings. At best, you're arguing without any evidence that the NBA's decision not to continue with the social justice statements on the courts and uniforms is ipso facto proof that these messages were responsible for the decline.
wifeisafurd said:Apparently the NBA Commissioner BLM contributed.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:dude, the TV ratings tanked - forget how to read? That is what we call a broad selection size in our planet, you know people that watch your sport. I suppose there is no correlation in your little group between the actions the Association took and that fact that so few people watched the Finals which included a banner team, and perhaps one of the best players to put on sneakers. Maybe you should broaden your horizons beyond your rhetoric.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:It isn't jus the country clubbers.01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280
But nice attempt to play the class card.
[url=https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280][/url]
I was able to lead the Pilatees class in a discussion of the final game so the women can show-up their husbands.
I'm not sure the article says what you think it says. Adam Silver said the league is not going to continue posting the Black Lives Matter language next season. However, he never said it was because the messages hurt the league in any way. Moreover, the players never said anything about wanting to extend the messages beyond this season. If you'll recall, many of them had been considering opting out of the NBA bubble in order to continue advocating for equality, justice, and police reform. These players entered (and stayed in) the bubble after they reached a compromise and managed to continue their advocacy for while in the bubble, which included the messages on their jerseys and the basketball courts in the bubble. There were never any reports that these messages were planned or expected to extend beyond this season.
Finally, as for the accusations that I'm playing the class card, please. You realize you're the one who pulled that card by talking about how no one at your country club paid attention to the games. If anything, I just pointed out that your drawing conclusions about the larger community based on your selective sample size that is in no way reflective of society at large was just plain erroneous. Now, if there are non-affluent BIPOC members in your country club, then I'll be happy to retract my position and issue you an apology.
If you'll note, I already addressed the decline un ratings for this year's NBA playoffs. I pointed out a number of reasons for this, including people being worried about Covid, people not feeling as connected to the game thanks to the games taking place in the NBA bubble, and football and baseball competing for eyeballs and attention. I really shouldn't have to repeat my prior arguments, as all that does is take us around in circles.
Moreover, you have yet to present any link between the social justice movement and the decline in ratings. At best, you're arguing without any evidence that the NBA's decision not to continue with the social justice statements on the courts and uniforms is ipso facto proof that these messages were responsible for the decline.
Report: Adam Silver surprised by low ratings for NBA Finalsnba.nbcsports.com 2020/10/09 report-adam-silver-s...
I'm all for admitting that there are a number of factors. That said, all you have to do is go over the thread on the insider board to hear there is a whole cross section of people turned off by the politics, and some even agreed with the message. To suggest a 70% drop in viewership, especially when their is no attendance, had nothing to do with politics during this controversial election is pure ostrich. The people who run the NBA are not stupid.
You completely misstated the article.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:Apparently the NBA Commissioner BLM contributed.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:dude, the TV ratings tanked - forget how to read? That is what we call a broad selection size in our planet, you know people that watch your sport. I suppose there is no correlation in your little group between the actions the Association took and that fact that so few people watched the Finals which included a banner team, and perhaps one of the best players to put on sneakers. Maybe you should broaden your horizons beyond your rhetoric.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:It isn't jus the country clubbers.01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280
But nice attempt to play the class card.
[url=https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280][/url]
I was able to lead the Pilatees class in a discussion of the final game so the women can show-up their husbands.
I'm not sure the article says what you think it says. Adam Silver said the league is not going to continue posting the Black Lives Matter language next season. However, he never said it was because the messages hurt the league in any way. Moreover, the players never said anything about wanting to extend the messages beyond this season. If you'll recall, many of them had been considering opting out of the NBA bubble in order to continue advocating for equality, justice, and police reform. These players entered (and stayed in) the bubble after they reached a compromise and managed to continue their advocacy for while in the bubble, which included the messages on their jerseys and the basketball courts in the bubble. There were never any reports that these messages were planned or expected to extend beyond this season.
Finally, as for the accusations that I'm playing the class card, please. You realize you're the one who pulled that card by talking about how no one at your country club paid attention to the games. If anything, I just pointed out that your drawing conclusions about the larger community based on your selective sample size that is in no way reflective of society at large was just plain erroneous. Now, if there are non-affluent BIPOC members in your country club, then I'll be happy to retract my position and issue you an apology.
If you'll note, I already addressed the decline un ratings for this year's NBA playoffs. I pointed out a number of reasons for this, including people being worried about Covid, people not feeling as connected to the game thanks to the games taking place in the NBA bubble, and football and baseball competing for eyeballs and attention. I really shouldn't have to repeat my prior arguments, as all that does is take us around in circles.
Moreover, you have yet to present any link between the social justice movement and the decline in ratings. At best, you're arguing without any evidence that the NBA's decision not to continue with the social justice statements on the courts and uniforms is ipso facto proof that these messages were responsible for the decline.
Report: Adam Silver surprised by low ratings for NBA Finalsnba.nbcsports.com 2020/10/09 report-adam-silver-s...
I'm all for admitting that there are a number of factors. That said, all you have to do is go over the thread on the insider board to hear there is a whole cross section of people turned off by the politics, and some even agreed with the message. To suggest a 70% drop in viewership, especially when their is no attendance, had nothing to do with politics during this controversial election is pure ostrich. The people who run the NBA are not stupid.
Let me get this straight, a board dominated by Bay Area sports fans and your fellow country club members comprise your sample group? They represent southern Californians and the US at large? You don't see any problems with that methodology?
Also, the article you linked doesn't really support your position. It not only stated the NBA denied the claim by the anonymous source that Adam Silver was surprised by the ratings, but it also stated the ratings were in line with t he NBA's projections. Furthermore, the article then explained that the argument the social justice and BLM messaging was responsible for the downturn in ratings is unsupported, saying
"That argument doesn't hold water, however. It's not just the NBA's ratings that are down; sports ratings across the board are taking a hit: Just here at NBC, the ratings for the Stanley Cup Finals, the Kentucky Derby, and golf's U.S. Open were down by about the same percentages as the NBA. Other broadcast networks are seeing the same thing. Even the juggernaut NFL is having some rough ratings spots (Thursday nights, for example)."
However, the linked NY Post article in your linked article offers slightly more support. Yet, even there, it stated "Silver said next season he doubts players will be permitted to wear social-justice messages on their jerseys and the BLM logo isn't expected to be on the floors of home arenas. The commissioner is wary if these worthy gestures continue next season, 'a certain amount of fatigue' would offset the messaging."
Thus, despite your assertions to the contrary, there is no evidence that Adam Silver thinks the social justice and BLM messages led to the decline in ratings, let alone that the NBA decided not to continue the messages next season because of it.
wifeisafurd said:You completely misstated the article.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:Apparently the NBA Commissioner BLM contributed.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:dude, the TV ratings tanked - forget how to read? That is what we call a broad selection size in our planet, you know people that watch your sport. I suppose there is no correlation in your little group between the actions the Association took and that fact that so few people watched the Finals which included a banner team, and perhaps one of the best players to put on sneakers. Maybe you should broaden your horizons beyond your rhetoric.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:It isn't jus the country clubbers.01Bear said:
WIAF, I think you need to expand your circles a bit beyond the country club set. If you talked to folks who happen not to be rich white country club guys, you might realize that many less affluent BIPOC LA denizens still follow the Lakers and care about the NBA Finals. Does that mean the ratings will be the same as in the pre-COVID era, probably not.
Sure Lakers fans may not be as flamboyant in decorating their cars or homes this year, but that's also due in great part to the restrictions put in place thanks to the pandemic. Not being able to attend games in person will put a damper on enthusiasm. Having the team play all of its games in so far removed from its home town likely did the same. Scheduling the NBA Finals in October also likely killed ratings thanks to competition from the MLB playoffs and the start of the NFL season.
But none of this means that Lakers fans don't care about the team or the Finals, let alone that they're put off by some nebulous "F/U to the fans." Incidentally, if you meant the messages in support of Black Lives matter and other messages affirming equality and demanding justice were the "F/U to the fans," you need to realize that how your social circle reacted to these messages is not representative of how less affluent BIPOC fans reacted. If anything, the rest of us applauded the NBA for understanding that the players (most of whom are BIPOC) aren't just there to shuck and jive for our entertainment.
Rather, we acknowledge they, their friends, and their families have to put up with injustices and inequities due to their race. We recognize their humanity. We listen to them as they share the racial injustices they and their communities have faced. We hurt for them. We demand reform with them. We thank them for using their platforms to speak up for those who have had their voices silenced or ignored.
But sure, if you want to believe that the country club elite are the only fans who matter, feel free to do so.
https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280
But nice attempt to play the class card.
[url=https://www.newsweek.com/nba-finals-ratings-tank-commissioner-says-league-will-withdraw-black-lives-matter-jerseys-1537280][/url]
I was able to lead the Pilatees class in a discussion of the final game so the women can show-up their husbands.
I'm not sure the article says what you think it says. Adam Silver said the league is not going to continue posting the Black Lives Matter language next season. However, he never said it was because the messages hurt the league in any way. Moreover, the players never said anything about wanting to extend the messages beyond this season. If you'll recall, many of them had been considering opting out of the NBA bubble in order to continue advocating for equality, justice, and police reform. These players entered (and stayed in) the bubble after they reached a compromise and managed to continue their advocacy for while in the bubble, which included the messages on their jerseys and the basketball courts in the bubble. There were never any reports that these messages were planned or expected to extend beyond this season.
Finally, as for the accusations that I'm playing the class card, please. You realize you're the one who pulled that card by talking about how no one at your country club paid attention to the games. If anything, I just pointed out that your drawing conclusions about the larger community based on your selective sample size that is in no way reflective of society at large was just plain erroneous. Now, if there are non-affluent BIPOC members in your country club, then I'll be happy to retract my position and issue you an apology.
If you'll note, I already addressed the decline un ratings for this year's NBA playoffs. I pointed out a number of reasons for this, including people being worried about Covid, people not feeling as connected to the game thanks to the games taking place in the NBA bubble, and football and baseball competing for eyeballs and attention. I really shouldn't have to repeat my prior arguments, as all that does is take us around in circles.
Moreover, you have yet to present any link between the social justice movement and the decline in ratings. At best, you're arguing without any evidence that the NBA's decision not to continue with the social justice statements on the courts and uniforms is ipso facto proof that these messages were responsible for the decline.
Report: Adam Silver surprised by low ratings for NBA Finalsnba.nbcsports.com 2020/10/09 report-adam-silver-s...
I'm all for admitting that there are a number of factors. That said, all you have to do is go over the thread on the insider board to hear there is a whole cross section of people turned off by the politics, and some even agreed with the message. To suggest a 70% drop in viewership, especially when their is no attendance, had nothing to do with politics during this controversial election is pure ostrich. The people who run the NBA are not stupid.
Let me get this straight, a board dominated by Bay Area sports fans and your fellow country club members comprise your sample group? They represent southern Californians and the US at large? You don't see any problems with that methodology?
Also, the article you linked doesn't really support your position. It not only stated the NBA denied the claim by the anonymous source that Adam Silver was surprised by the ratings, but it also stated the ratings were in line with t he NBA's projections. Furthermore, the article then explained that the argument the social justice and BLM messaging was responsible for the downturn in ratings is unsupported, saying
"That argument doesn't hold water, however. It's not just the NBA's ratings that are down; sports ratings across the board are taking a hit: Just here at NBC, the ratings for the Stanley Cup Finals, the Kentucky Derby, and golf's U.S. Open were down by about the same percentages as the NBA. Other broadcast networks are seeing the same thing. Even the juggernaut NFL is having some rough ratings spots (Thursday nights, for example)."
However, the linked NY Post article in your linked article offers slightly more support. Yet, even there, it stated "Silver said next season he doubts players will be permitted to wear social-justice messages on their jerseys and the BLM logo isn't expected to be on the floors of home arenas. The commissioner is wary if these worthy gestures continue next season, 'a certain amount of fatigue' would offset the messaging."
Thus, despite your assertions to the contrary, there is no evidence that Adam Silver thinks the social justice and BLM messages led to the decline in ratings, let alone that the NBA decided not to continue the messages next season because of it.
So you don't like a sample of Beariider, clearly dominated by Bay Area whatevers (do you even appreciate how stupid that sounds? Bay Area fans would be more turned off by BLM pol;tics ).
Harris Poll: number 1 reason for rating drop: politics.
https://itsgame7.com/nba-ratings-drop-new-poll-reveals-main-reason-why
Gallup found in September that the sports industry has gone from a plus-20 favorability rating in 2019 to minus-10 this year, citing as a possible factor pro baseball, football and basketball having "become focal points for public displays of support for the Black Lives Matter movement that same month, 39 percent of sports fans said they were watching fewer NBA nt." In a Harris Poll tgames, with 38 percent of those citing the reason as the league becoming "too political.
You made this definitive statement about politics not being a reason, yet in polls it is top reason the NBA is not being watched. Rather than completely misstate stuff or make stupid remarks about Bay Area/Bear political views, why don't you provide some evidence that politics is not a reason for the drop. Do you have polls that suggest otherwise or just your continued unsupported statement and snide remarks about groups of people?
Deprived fans should have been desperate to watch these finals (admittedly several of the games were blow outs). Sports on TV is a diversion from everyday headaches. Watching the NBA through an overarching political lens is a deterrent to quite a few. (I'm not taking a political point of view, just looking at the ratings from a broad objective perspective.) When over 1/3 of fans say they didn't watch due to politics and there is no other larger factor, you can't keep saying politics isn't a factor. That is just a plain Trumpsm change the facts and delusion caused by your narrow political bias..
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Right-wing talking heads and politicians have tried to score points saying the NBA's focus on "Black Lives Matter/social justice" has hurt ratings Mark Cuban and Senator Ted Cruz got in a Twitter spat over it.
That argument doesn't hold water, however. It's not just the NBA's ratings that are down; sports ratings across the board are taking a hit: Just here at NBC, the ratings for the Stanley Cup Finals, the Kentucky Derby, and golf's U.S. Open were down by about the same percentages as the NBA. Other broadcast networks are seeing the same thing. Even the juggernaut NFL is having some rough ratings spots (Thursday nights, for example).
That's not all political. Part of the drop may be sports playing out of season and now a lot of sports competing for eyeballs in the same window this fall. The lack of fans in the stands can hurt the broadcast product and energy around sports. There's also a heated presidential election that has the nations' focus.
Most of all, the coronavirus pandemic has upended much of American life, it shouldn't be a surprise that has happened to sports viewership as well.
The real question is when and if those ratings will bounce back.
Chapman_is_Gone said:
You're so cute, with your little "BIPOC" term to suit your narrative that was invented in 2013. I have underwear older than that.
AunBear89 said:
I do appreciate your efforts , even though facts and details are anathema to conservative minded people. I'm afraid your well written and factual arguments will fall on mostly deaf ears.
Well I appreciate your effort to educate me, but I am having confirmation bias. It is difficult to quantify why TV ratings are down, and pollsters are not exactly built for testing this type of information. But facts and details are hard to come by, despite '89's unequivocal assertion to the contrary. I'm actually seeing very little data, and just a lot of speculation, and I'm willing to concede that there probably are a lot of reasons. Basically I'm a a Lakers fan with no one to talk to these days, as no one seems to care, which given a few years ago when I was with over a million people watching them parade down Figueroa, has me exasperated. I guess we will find out where basketball is next year, assuming they have a regular season.01Bear said:AunBear89 said:
I do appreciate your efforts , even though facts and details are anathema to conservative minded people. I'm afraid your well written and factual arguments will fall on mostly deaf ears.
I tend to give WIAF the benefit of the doubt. I don't believe him to be someone to whom facts and details are anathema. If anything, I suspect he might just be suffering from a bit of confirmation bias. But that's something to which we may all fall prone.
More importantly, I do think WIAF is a reasonable person who, if given the chance, will be able to overcome that bias. He's nowhere near as far gone as some others I know.
At the end of the day, I admire and respect WIAF. I may disagree with him and challenge some of his assertions, but I believe him to be an honorable man with good intentions. I just think he may do well to broaden his sample size a bit before drawing conclusions from suspect sample groups.
wifeisafurd said:Well I appreciate your effort to educate me, but I am having confirmation bias. It is difficult to quantify why TV ratings are down, and pollsters are not exactly built for testing this type of information. But facts and details are hard to come by, despite '89's unequivocal assertion to the contrary. I'm actually seeing very little data, and just a lot of speculation, and I'm willing to concede that there probably are a lot of reasons. Basically I'm a a Lakers fan with no one to talk to these days, as no one seems to care, which given a few years ago when I was with over a million people watching them parade down Figueroa, has me exasperated. I guess we will find out where basketball is next year, assuming they have a regular season.01Bear said:AunBear89 said:
I do appreciate your efforts , even though facts and details are anathema to conservative minded people. I'm afraid your well written and factual arguments will fall on mostly deaf ears.
I tend to give WIAF the benefit of the doubt. I don't believe him to be someone to whom facts and details are anathema. If anything, I suspect he might just be suffering from a bit of confirmation bias. But that's something to which we may all fall prone.
More importantly, I do think WIAF is a reasonable person who, if given the chance, will be able to overcome that bias. He's nowhere near as far gone as some others I know.
At the end of the day, I admire and respect WIAF. I may disagree with him and challenge some of his assertions, but I believe him to be an honorable man with good intentions. I just think he may do well to broaden his sample size a bit before drawing conclusions from suspect sample groups.
Ah, a kindred spirit. Pivotal game tonight. Bueler has been throwing well lately, and may the D's best pitcher, and Morton is just plain old good. Should be a pitcher's duel.01Bear said:wifeisafurd said:Well I appreciate your effort to educate me, but I am having confirmation bias. It is difficult to quantify why TV ratings are down, and pollsters are not exactly built for testing this type of information. But facts and details are hard to come by, despite '89's unequivocal assertion to the contrary. I'm actually seeing very little data, and just a lot of speculation, and I'm willing to concede that there probably are a lot of reasons. Basically I'm a a Lakers fan with no one to talk to these days, as no one seems to care, which given a few years ago when I was with over a million people watching them parade down Figueroa, has me exasperated. I guess we will find out where basketball is next year, assuming they have a regular season.01Bear said:AunBear89 said:
I do appreciate your efforts , even though facts and details are anathema to conservative minded people. I'm afraid your well written and factual arguments will fall on mostly deaf ears.
I tend to give WIAF the benefit of the doubt. I don't believe him to be someone to whom facts and details are anathema. If anything, I suspect he might just be suffering from a bit of confirmation bias. But that's something to which we may all fall prone.
More importantly, I do think WIAF is a reasonable person who, if given the chance, will be able to overcome that bias. He's nowhere near as far gone as some others I know.
At the end of the day, I admire and respect WIAF. I may disagree with him and challenge some of his assertions, but I believe him to be an honorable man with good intentions. I just think he may do well to broaden his sample size a bit before drawing conclusions from suspect sample groups.
WIAF, I'll talk Lakers with you! My friends and I still talk Lakers (and also Dodgers, especially given the World Series). The win tonight was a good start. Now just 3 more wins!
