Mike Flynn
‏@MikeFlynn826
@usab3x3 member Natalie Chou's updated list of colleges:Hello all. Baylor Cal Berkely Duke Louisville TCU Texas UCLA @BlueStarMedia1

Noticed that she eliminated Furd. I think that the Bears have a real good chance of landing Chou. Asian parents, particularly Chinese from the motherland, hold Cal with high esteem. Also, Chen Yue on our team is another positive. Maybe we get both Sabrina from Miramonte and Natalie.

orindabear74;842510172 said:

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Noticed that she eliminated Furd. I think that the Bears have a real good chance of landing Chou. Asian parents, particularly Chinese from the motherland, hold Cal with high esteem. Also, Chen Yue on our team is another positive. Maybe we get both Sabrina from Miramonte and Natalie.

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I actually could see it come down to Cal vs. UCLA. Just speculating.

she would be an instant fan fav if she came to Cal, and if she was going to leave the state of Texas, I'd think it would be better for her to come to California

The way I see it: both Duke & Louisville are loaded with good guards. EVERYONE ("and their mother," as the kids say) lists Louisville because that's just their recruiting style (very different from Cal, L'Ville casts a wiiiiiiide net). Find a top 7 list for any recruit that DOESN'T include Louisville, and I will be impressed, lol.

Texas might not even have room for her. I can't keep up with their roster availability. I even just found out they added one of the Canadian twins who transferred from Vandy while her twin sister apparently went to a JUCO with the expectation of joining Texas afterwards since they only had room for 1 at the moment!!! Bizarre, tbh. And Texas is DEFINITELY looking for bigs. They're in the hunt for Joyner Holmes as well as a few other big Texans who are ranked in the top 20-60.

Some room might have opened up at Baylor after a couple recent transfers, and they aren't as loaded at guard as the previous three schools. But I imagine the big reason for their inclusion is proximity. Same, of course, for TCU. She probably just likes them sentimentally and is giving them a shoutout by including them, lol. Can't argue she wouldn't have a lot of team success w/ Baylor while still getting plenty of action, considering the elite big they signed last year and all the talent in Texas to choose from to fill any remaining needs.

UCLA does have a few of the things going for them that have been mentioned in building the case for Cal. And in terms of position needs, they actually might slightly be more in need of Chou than us (some reasons for that being Recee Caldwell just left UCLA and Cal is rumored to be in good shape for Ionescu). But my intuition tells me overall we're a better fit for her of the two UC's.

Like I mentioned elsewhere, we may not be pursuing Higgins or Odom (not sure about Brown). So perhaps LG likes her chances with Ionescu and Chou that much, and thinks they're better fits for us.

That said, I know everyone has been saying our 2016 class will be "a couple" players only...but arguably we might need a big more than a guard at this point. I'm guessing we want Hebard and/or West for that. And if we indeed lead for Ionescu, and if Chou wants to come too, I can't imagine LG not being open to using up to 4 spots (given she they're for kids she really likes).

kat0189;842510158 said:

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Mike Flynn
‏@MikeFlynn826
@usab3x3 member Natalie Chou's updated list of colleges:Hello all. Baylor Cal Berkely Duke Louisville TCU Texas UCLA @BlueStarMedia1

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Knowing the Asian culture, particularly the Chinese regarding education, my gut feeling TCU or Louisville is not as a high interest as the other 4 colleges. I'm not saying you can't get a great education from those 2 schools but they aren't as renowned as the others, particularly the #1 public university in the world!

OBear073akaSMFan;842510291 said:

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Knowing the Asian culture, particularly the Chinese regarding education, my gut feeling TCU or Louisville is not as a high interest as the other 4 colleges. I'm not saying you can't get a great education from those 2 schools but they aren't as renowned as the others, particularly the #1 public university in the world!

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Is she a guard or a small foward🏀

Guard

orindabear74;842510351 said:

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Guard

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If needed can she play other positions . What is the difference between a center and a power foward for what will be the difference between a shooting guard and a wing.

In Lindsey's system a wing is a guard.

thx for the info kat

and then there is her relationship with kristine

kat0189;842510193 said:

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The way I see it: both Duke & Louisville are loaded with good guards. EVERYONE ("and their mother," as the kids say) lists Louisville because that's just their recruiting style (very different from Cal, L'Ville casts a wiiiiiiide net). Find a top 7 list for any recruit that DOESN'T include Louisville, and I will be impressed, lol.

Texas might not even have room for her. I can't keep up with their roster availability. I even just found out they added one of the Canadian twins who transferred from Vandy while her twin sister apparently went to a JUCO with the expectation of joining Texas afterwards since they only had room for 1 at the moment!!! Bizarre, tbh. And Texas is DEFINITELY looking for bigs. They're in the hunt for Joyner Holmes as well as a few other big Texans who are ranked in the top 20-60.

Some room might have opened up at Baylor after a couple recent transfers, and they aren't as loaded at guard as the previous three schools. But I imagine the big reason for their inclusion is proximity. Same, of course, for TCU. She probably just likes them sentimentally and is giving them a shoutout by including them, lol. Can't argue she wouldn't have a lot of team success w/ Baylor while still getting plenty of action, considering the elite big they signed last year and all the talent in Texas to choose from to fill any remaining needs.

UCLA does have a few of the things going for them that have been mentioned in building the case for Cal. And in terms of position needs, they actually might slightly be more in need of Chou than us (some reasons for that being Recee Caldwell just left UCLA and Cal is rumored to be in good shape for Ionescu). But my intuition tells me overall we're a better fit for her of the two UC's.

Like I mentioned elsewhere, we may not be pursuing Higgins or Odom (not sure about Brown). So perhaps LG likes her chances with Ionescu and Chou that much, and thinks they're better fits for us.

That said, I know everyone has been saying our 2016 class will be "a couple" players only...but arguably we might need a big more than a guard at this point. I'm guessing we want Hebard and/or West for that. And if we indeed lead for Ionescu, and if Chou wants to come too, I can't imagine LG not being open to using up to 4 spots (given she they're for kids she really likes).

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I hope the Anigwe-Chou-Ionescu Cal Gang can come together since the Rabb-Brown-Swanigan combo could not.

puget sound cal fan;842510505 said:

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I hope the Anigwe-Chou-Ionescu Cal Gang can come together since the Rabb-Brown-Swanigan combo could not.

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What about all the wonderful wings from California. We need to at least get one or two, 😀,they are too high in the rankings to pass them. Plus they are all very tall. I say we get one off guard, two wings and a four/five player.

calvarado;842510519 said:

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What about all the wonderful wings from California. We need to at least get one or two, ��,they are too high in the rankings to pass them. Plus they are all very tall. I say we get one off guard, two wings and a four/five player.

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We are not on Valerie Higgins's list according to HG, and I've read she and Odom might want to play together in college: http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/197976/valerie-higgins

Not sure about Jaelyn Brown. I did read UConn was involved early on but no longer. Carrington seems to have her heart set on Stanford.

Chou seems to be a better shooter than all. I'm usually very greedy about recruiting, but this year I think if we convert on Ionescu, I'll be happy with whoever else joins and moving on to future recruits (the c/o 2018 looks like it could be an outstanding one for NorCal).

Looking at this list I feel like we have a pretty decent shot at landing Chou, especially given the connection with Anigwe. Go Bears!

Recent tweet from Cal Sparks AAU coach:

Elbert Kinnebrew CPA ‏@Calsparks1 Jun 28
#CSFAM 2016 DIJONAI CARRINGTON is a nightmare when headed to the Basket.
TEXAS AM, NOTRE DAME, CAL , STANFORD, & Many others already know.

I bet Chou's mom drilled Natalie on her shot hour after hour.

As a side line, Kat Tudor has jumped to number 3 in the Nor Cal class and is now given a 5 star rating. And this is more trust worthy than the national ratings as they have watched for years. It is interesting that in all the games I have seen her, she has never really lit it up from the 3 point territory, but evidently everyone else has. Talking to Willtalk the other day about her, he said she has really improved on her defense and driving ability. Maybe Lindsey is interested? don't know. But could be a plan B if Chou is not interested.

orindabear74;842510172 said:

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Also, Chen Yue on our team is another positive.

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Why?

concernedparent;842511573 said:

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Why?

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Why not? What guard wouldn't want a 6'7" center on her team?

stu;842511617 said:

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Why not? What guard wouldn't want a 6'7" center on her team?

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Great answer. Reading this while looking at your picture cracked me up.

GATC;842511628 said:

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Reading this while looking at your picture cracked me up.

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Thanks. May the flux be with you.

I saw NCP's top 40 rankings for 2016. I'm voting for Cal to offer a three-point artist like Kat Tudor. GO BEARS!

I know nothing, but one could speculate it's possible that Tudor gets offered IF Chou pick elsewhere?

kat0189;842511722 said:

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I know nothing, but one could speculate it's possible that Tudor gets offered IF Chou pick elsewhere?

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Personally we should offer both and first to commit gets the offer!!

OBear073akaSMFan;842511756 said:

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Personally we should offer both and first to commit gets the offer!!

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I disagree. I know Tudor is a NorCal player and all that, but I think Chou has more overall skills. And having a commit from Texas opens up a huge pool of talent in the Lone Star State. If Cal was getting 2nd and 3rd looks from Texas' best, we begin to look like one of the national powers. Only Stanford from the Pac has ever been considered in that group. You have to go back to the Cheryl Miller USC teams to see another PAC10/12 team with that much national recognition.

To be able to really recruit nationally would give Cal entrance to the big time group we are on the verge of entering. Tudor is a good Plan B if Chou goes elsewhere. Or if Ionescu goes elsewhere. To have players like Joyner Holmes, Amber Ramirez or Ciera Johnson look seriously at coming to Berkeley changes how Cal is viewed nationally.

dfineguy;842511784 said:

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I disagree. I know Tudor is a NorCal player and all that, but I think Chou has more overall skills. And having a commit from Texas opens up a huge pool of talent in the Lone Star State. If Cal was getting 2nd and 3rd looks from Texas' best, we begin to look like one of the national powers. Only Stanford from the Pac has ever been considered in that group. You have to go back to the Cheryl Miller USC teams to see another PAC10/12 team with that much national recognition.

To be able to really recruit nationally would give Cal entrance to the big time group we are on the verge of entering. Tudor is a good Plan B if Chou goes elsewhere. Or if Ionescu goes elsewhere. To have players like Joyner Holmes, Amber Ramirez or Ciera Johnson look seriously at coming to Berkeley changes how Cal is viewed nationally.

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I understand what you are saying but also want to open up a pipeline to Calstars..ie. Decosta, Ionescu, westbrook, Higgins if we are interested in her, and etc.

It appears we do already have a good relationship with Cal Stars (i sure hope!) despite not signing Romeo, Hayes, or Moore. In fact, I think Courtney Range had some connection with them or their coach (in addition to the Stockton Mustangs?). Recruiting def seems to be not just be a game of signing an individual, but forging good relationships with their affiliations for long-term success.

Obviously, having a good relationship with people involved at the high school level is important, and good coaches do that. (For no apparent reason, Charli Turner-Thorne called me yesterday, just to chat a bit.)

That said, high school and club coaches' advice is only going to go so far. In the end, the girl and the family will decide. Sometimes a coach's input will be critical; sometimes not so much -- but you definitely don't want coaches telling their kids "Don't go to that school, no matter what else you do."

I can say that Lindsay and Cal have a good relationship with Kelly Sopak (the Cal Stars' coach), but so do a lot of college coaches.

Yep, relationships are good. The more you have, the more information you can gather. Information is power.