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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Who do you think are the top conservative idiots in the media and who do you think are the smart ones?

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This part needs to be told

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I'm not sure "more punishment" is really the line the BLM movement (or liberals/progressives in general) should be taking.

Chauvin should have been convicted. No argument there. But what happened to the idea of restorative justice?

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The Floyd family doesn't have the opportunity for restorative justice, Floyd is dead. There is no restorative justice for those families that have lost loved ones to bad cops who saw their loved ones as less than human and perpetrated the ultimate violence.

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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Who do you think are the top conservative idiots in the media and who do you think are the smart ones?

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People who are not pushing conspiracy theories who didn't remain silent while Captain Catastrophe and his minions attempted to destroy this Republic. Michael Steele, Charlie Dent, Charlie Sykes, and Nicole Wallace.

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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Who do you think are the top conservative idiots in the media and who do you think are the smart ones?

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People who are not pushing conspiracy theories who didn't remain silent while Captain Catastrophe and his minions attempted to destroy this Republic.

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I don't remember Ben Shapiro pushing conspiracy theories.

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This part needs to be told

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I'm not sure "more punishment" is really the line the BLM movement (or liberals/progressives in general) should be taking.

Chauvin should have been convicted. No argument there. But what happened to the idea of restorative justice?

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The Floyd family doesn't have the opportunity for restorative justice, Floyd is dead. There is no restorative justice for those families that have lost loved ones to bad cops who saw their loved ones as less than human and perpetrated the ultimate violence.

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Sure, but you can say the same for lots of people who are in prison, and the liberal/progressive argument for them is that we should provide a path to rehabilitation rather than just locking people up (or executing them). I actually agree with that, but that also means that I'm not going to let go of my principles just because the offender was a cop. I hope Chauvin can be rehabilitated too.

Dismissive
then deflection
then miss information

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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Who do you think are the top conservative idiots in the media and who do you think are the smart ones?

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The smart ones are those who abandoned Trumpism long ago.
Most of them have retired or gone to other networks.
You know this already.

How many more like these exist?

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMex2FBNX/

"Can't wait till the race war to set them back 3-4 generations "

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Dismissive
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Those are a lot of words.

Let me be clear: I think cops who murder or injure subjects with excessive force should be prosecuted for it. No question. The bad cops need to face consequences or they'll never stop, and it's pretty clear they're not able to police themselves.

As a long-term goal, I also think "more punishment" will ultimately not redound in favor of the underprivileged. You think more punishment for cops will not also result in more punishment for civilians? My position is that there should be less focus on punishment, more on rehabilitation, across the board.

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For all BI leftists, don't loot, burn down other people's property, or hurt other people while you're peacefully protesting.

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You lose.

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My property is intact.

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ha ha ha
that's all you care about, right?

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I know for sure I don't care about you.

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Oh, I'm wounded. Mortally wounded.

Look, I imagine you are a respectable enough person. If I passed you in the street, met you socially, I'm sure we could have a fine conversation.
But your rationality here on BI is just whack, and I really don't understand how that happens.
It's a mystery of society.

Trumpism is a complete joke, and you've been brainwashed.

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You have a very vivid imagination.

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I had initially tried to give Derek Chauvin benefit of the doubt, too.

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Nine plus minutes of chocking someone changes the benefit of doubt in my book. The juries too.

The most stupid thing the left could do right now is too riot.

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Yeah. I had never watched the full video before the trial and simply couldn't fathom it was as it turned out to be. Dr Tobin's crushed lung explanation pretty much sealed Chauvin's coffin. And that Chauvin didn't get off until the EMT asked him to get off? Oh my goodness - he lost his mind (if merely temporarily)!!

Agreed. If there were BLM riots tonight that would be about as stupid as thousands of Trumpists overrunning the Capitol, crushing police, throwing fire extinguishers at them, breaking doors and windows in a completely "lawless" state of mind inspired by a group of lawless leaders.

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There was the usual in Portland that had its almost nightly "Sate of Emergecy" with arrests and vandalizing what is left to vandalize. You might not be familiar with Portland or Seattle situations in the news sites you watch. The calls by the anarchist types to riot in other cities (like the Bay Area) to show the verdict calls for racial justice and police reform far have gone unanswered and if they stay unanswered, will be better for pushing through actual police reforms.

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I do try to watch Fox.
But they put out so much nonsense it upsets me.

Here, last night, a reasonable NY cop was trying to talk about solutions to what everyone agrees was a terrible tragedy. But he was making too much sense, and so Tucker interrupts him once, twice, 3 times, then producer cuts him off and Tucker finishes it with a Nope, Done pronouncement. Clearly, the producer in Tucker's ear had said, "we're ending this guy".



Also, Hannity had a Trump interview where they tried to keep alive a potential Trump 2024 run... That guy deserves zero air time.

I'll go check out Portland and Seattle disturbance news, but, yeah, come on. FoxNews is mostly a complete brainwashing joke. See my prior posts and videos about the influence that has on our subconscious mind. Keep the garbage out. Take a look now and then to get a read of the lay of the land, but otherwise don't let trash in.

There were parts of your post I simply didn't understand, fyi. Syntax.

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I used to watch Fox, CNN and MSNBC together when gyms were open as there were like 5 TVs spread across with 3 n Fox, and the other 2 on the alternatives, reading the wording which would appear under the speakers. it was like reading 3 alternative universes. Now I go to an internet news aggregator and I try to read two articles from different sources (typically WSJ and NYT) on a subject I'm interested in. To their credit they don't typically ignore issues like the TV news stations, even if they have different takes. This just in, CNN viewers just learned that Cuomo may have been accuses of harassment by a woman or two and accuses of malfeasance with the handling of C--19 cases in assisted living residences which he may have been accused of attempting to hide - even the NYT is ripping CNN's lack of coverage.. There isn't enough room to get into Fox, and MSNBC's line-up is just plain weird where the discussion starts off with GOP partisan Morning Joe and then they swing left as they day goes on. Also I tend to Ignore the twitter turds like Salon, Vox and Daily Beast (now even LeBron thinks we get it wrong), since all they generally do is restate everyones inaccurate tweets into long articles. One thing good about being a Cal grad is you learn to be a skeptic.

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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Who do you think are the top conservative idiots in the media and who do you think are the smart ones?

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People who are not pushing conspiracy theories who didn't remain silent while Captain Catastrophe and his minions attempted to destroy this Republic.

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I don't remember Ben Shapiro pushing conspiracy theories.

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Shapiro is just wrong if he thinks juniors were bullied into a guilty pleas instead of by persuasive and overwhelming evidence. Floyd was clearly incapacitated for over the 9 minutes that Chauvin held his knee on his neck. The killing was recorded on film and witnessed by horrified members of the public and first responders, providing a rare level of unassailable corroboration. Then came police testimony that when a fellow officer said he thought Floyd was no longer conscious, Chauvin "didn't let up and didn't get up," and when a fellow officer said he couldn't find Floyd's pulse, he persisted in chocking Floyd for several minutes more. These circumstances supply evidence of depraved and intentional conduct to kill Floyd. Then came a bevy of experts who testified that Floyd died from low oxygen as a result of asphyxiation. The defense was left to argue that Floyd's medical condition somehow mitigated that he didn't die from being chocked for over 9 minutes. It took the jurors only 45 minutes to convict.


By all accounts Shapiro is smart guy, He should have known better.

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concordtom said:

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For all BI leftists, don't loot, burn down other people's property, or hurt other people while you're peacefully protesting.

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You lose.

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My property is intact.

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ha ha ha
that's all you care about, right?

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I know for sure I don't care about you.

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Oh, I'm wounded. Mortally wounded.

Look, I imagine you are a respectable enough person. If I passed you in the street, met you socially, I'm sure we could have a fine conversation.
But your rationality here on BI is just whack, and I really don't understand how that happens.
It's a mystery of society.

Trumpism is a complete joke, and you've been brainwashed.

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You have a very vivid imagination.

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I had initially tried to give Derek Chauvin benefit of the doubt, too.

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Nine plus minutes of chocking someone changes the benefit of doubt in my book. The juries too.

The most stupid thing the left could do right now is too riot.

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No one on the left is rioting or talking about rioting. You are falling for right wing talking points attempt to detract from the fact that they failed to acknowledge the injustices being perpetrated by our police forces and other institutions.

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Is that you Dajo? This is the myopia that has me disengaging from a lot of posters. At least Yogi reads the posts and doesn't ignore them. There was the usual in Portland and some other cities that doesn't get repotted on the news sites you frequent, but calls by the anarchist types to riot in other cities (like the Bay Area) to show the verdict calls for racial justice and police reform far have gone unanswered and if they stay unanswered, will be better for pushing through actual police reforms.

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What myopia? Why do you think it is that conservatives are absolutely obsessed with rioting (except when it's right wing extremists and mainstream Trumpers)? Your comment that the "most stupid thing the left could do" which implies that the organized "left" is somehow involved in rioting. That's fantasy fueled by right wing media and their Maxine Waters fantasies. The democratic party and its leaders are not responsible for or involved in organized rioting, certainly not to the extent and degree to which the republican party and its leaders were involved in January 6.

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You seem to continue to myopically ignore that certain left groups called for rioting and there was in fact rioting, because that doesn't fit your narrative. Instead you revert to the Hilary Clinton myopic swan song of a vast right wing conspiracy.

I'm not sure what the "organized left" even means, but it sounds blissfully to be whatever you want it to include, or not, dependent on the moment. I certainly did not use the term, nor did I come close to suggesting the leaders of the Democratic Party suggested there be riots. I said what I said, and you sir not only ignored what Is said or postings of tweets by representatives of left wings organizations calling for civil unrest, you took it one step further and simply made stuff up and inserted it to qualify my language to fit your narrative. I'm willing to concede that Trump was involved in January 6th, and acknowledged in my post that the post verdict rioting was fortunately on a small scale. Try actually responding to what is said, without a knee jerk reaction to conspiracies, lest you lose credibility.

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concordtom said:

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concordtom said:

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For all BI leftists, don't loot, burn down other people's property, or hurt other people while you're peacefully protesting.

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You lose.

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My property is intact.

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ha ha ha
that's all you care about, right?

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I know for sure I don't care about you.

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Oh, I'm wounded. Mortally wounded.

Look, I imagine you are a respectable enough person. If I passed you in the street, met you socially, I'm sure we could have a fine conversation.
But your rationality here on BI is just whack, and I really don't understand how that happens.
It's a mystery of society.

Trumpism is a complete joke, and you've been brainwashed.

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You have a very vivid imagination.

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I had initially tried to give Derek Chauvin benefit of the doubt, too.

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Nine plus minutes of chocking someone changes the benefit of doubt in my book. The juries too.

The most stupid thing the left could do right now is too riot.

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No one on the left is rioting or talking about rioting. You are falling for right wing talking points attempt to detract from the fact that they failed to acknowledge the injustices being perpetrated by our police forces and other institutions.

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Is that you Dajo? This is the myopia that has me disengaging from a lot of posters. At least Yogi reads the posts and doesn't ignore them. There was the usual in Portland and some other cities that doesn't get repotted on the news sites you frequent, but calls by the anarchist types to riot in other cities (like the Bay Area) to show the verdict calls for racial justice and police reform far have gone unanswered and if they stay unanswered, will be better for pushing through actual police reforms.

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What myopia? Why do you think it is that conservatives are absolutely obsessed with rioting (except when it's right wing extremists and mainstream Trumpers)? Your comment that the "most stupid thing the left could do" which implies that the organized "left" is somehow involved in rioting. That's fantasy fueled by right wing media and their Maxine Waters fantasies. The democratic party and its leaders are not responsible for or involved in organized rioting, certainly not to the extent and degree to which the republican party and its leaders were involved in January 6.

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You seem to continue to myopically ignore that certain left groups called for rioting and there was in fact rioting, because that doesn't fit your narrative. Instead you revert to the Hilary Clinton myopic swan song of a vast right wing conspiracy.

I'm not sure what the "organized left" even means, but it sounds blissfully to be whatever you want it to include, or not, dependent on the moment. I certainly did not use the term, nor did I come close to suggesting the leaders of the Democratic Party suggested there be riots. I said what I said, and you sir not only ignored what Is said or postings of tweets by representatives of left wings organizations calling for civil unrest, you took it one step further and simply made stuff up and inserted it to qualify my language to fit your narrative. I'm willing to concede that Trump was involved in January 6th, and acknowledged in my post that the post verdict rioting was fortunately on a small scale. Try actually responding to what is said, without a knee jerk reaction to conspiracies, lest you lose credibility.

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Lol that you think it's a concession to acknowledge the obvious fact that Trump played a role in the Jan 6 insurrection.

I did respond to what you said and what you said was the product of a right wing media narrative that attempts to smear progressives with the uncoordinated actions of apolitical actors. I suppose antifa isn't apolitical but nor are they left wing or progressive or what have you. They are outside the political sphere. You can't claim the same for the right wing extremists who have Republicans in congress (and previously, the White House) carrying their water.

It bears repeating that I don't condone rioting but nor do I pretend that rioting is affiliated in any way with the Democratic Party or organized progressive politics. People aren't rioting because of anything Maxine Waters has said or done. If it weren't for Fox News hysterics, no one would know who she is. Fox is the only one giving her a national platform and even that is it enough to cause her to influence people across the nation. When rioting occurs its largely from people taking advantage of the moment and/or economically frustrated people. It's quite different from the insurrection supported and fomented by Trump and other Republican leaders.

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concordtom said:

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BearForce2 said:

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For all BI leftists, don't loot, burn down other people's property, or hurt other people while you're peacefully protesting.

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You lose.

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My property is intact.

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ha ha ha
that's all you care about, right?

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I know for sure I don't care about you.

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Oh, I'm wounded. Mortally wounded.

Look, I imagine you are a respectable enough person. If I passed you in the street, met you socially, I'm sure we could have a fine conversation.
But your rationality here on BI is just whack, and I really don't understand how that happens.
It's a mystery of society.

Trumpism is a complete joke, and you've been brainwashed.

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You have a very vivid imagination.

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I had initially tried to give Derek Chauvin benefit of the doubt, too.

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Nine plus minutes of chocking someone changes the benefit of doubt in my book. The juries too.

The most stupid thing the left could do right now is too riot.

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No one on the left is rioting or talking about rioting. You are falling for right wing talking points attempt to detract from the fact that they failed to acknowledge the injustices being perpetrated by our police forces and other institutions.

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Is that you Dajo? This is the myopia that has me disengaging from a lot of posters. At least Yogi reads the posts and doesn't ignore them. There was the usual in Portland and some other cities that doesn't get repotted on the news sites you frequent, but calls by the anarchist types to riot in other cities (like the Bay Area) to show the verdict calls for racial justice and police reform far have gone unanswered and if they stay unanswered, will be better for pushing through actual police reforms.

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What myopia? Why do you think it is that conservatives are absolutely obsessed with rioting (except when it's right wing extremists and mainstream Trumpers)? Your comment that the "most stupid thing the left could do" which implies that the organized "left" is somehow involved in rioting. That's fantasy fueled by right wing media and their Maxine Waters fantasies. The democratic party and its leaders are not responsible for or involved in organized rioting, certainly not to the extent and degree to which the republican party and its leaders were involved in January 6.

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You seem to continue to myopically ignore that certain left groups called for rioting and there was in fact rioting, because that doesn't fit your narrative. Instead you revert to the Hilary Clinton myopic swan song of a vast right wing conspiracy.

I'm not sure what the "organized left" even means, but it sounds blissfully to be whatever you want it to include, or not, dependent on the moment. I certainly did not use the term, nor did I come close to suggesting the leaders of the Democratic Party suggested there be riots. I said what I said, and you sir not only ignored what Is said or postings of tweets by representatives of left wings organizations calling for civil unrest, you took it one step further and simply made stuff up and inserted it to qualify my language to fit your narrative. I'm willing to concede that Trump was involved in January 6th, and acknowledged in my post that the post verdict rioting was fortunately on a small scale. Try actually responding to what is said, without a knee jerk reaction to conspiracies, lest you lose credibility.

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Lol that you think it's a concession to acknowledge the obvious fact that Trump played a role in the Jan 6 insurrection.

I did respond to what you said and what you said was the product of a right wing media narrative that attempts to smear progressives with the uncoordinated actions of apolitical actors. I suppose antifa isn't apolitical but nor are they left wing or progressive or what have you. They are outside the political sphere. You can't claim the same for the right wing extremists who have Republicans in congress (and previously, the White House) carrying their water.

It bears repeating that I don't condone rioting but nor do I pretend that rioting is affiliated in any way with the Democratic Party or organized progressive politics. People aren't rioting because of anything Maxine Waters has said or done. If it weren't for Fox News hysterics, no one would know who she is. Fox is the only one giving her a national platform and even that is it enough to cause her to influence people across the nation. When rioting occurs its largely from people taking advantage of the moment and/or economically frustrated people. It's quite different from the insurrection supported and fomented by Trump and other Republican leaders.

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The outrage claimed by political elites in both parties of the Capital being taken over for a few hours, like say the capital square of Seattle was for weeks, or attendant violence when the same could be said for Portland for one of a hundred or so nights, seems well, rather elitist and hypocritical. Clearly the Democrats chose to ignore, and continue to ignore, those indiscretions in the name of their political well being. I doubt that the actors in Portland and Seattle remain as much out of the sphere as the right hate groups parading around the capital. Both also have their few followers and supporters among elected officials, though at the Presdential level this county should be embarrassed. Then again, Biden in the first debate in response to a question directly about those rioting in Portland "for over 100 night" said those groups rioting and occupying were not the problem, the police were the problem. No message there, huh?

But hypocrisy notwithstanding, you continue to restate what I said to go define your narrative of some right wing conspiracy around my intent. And the number of red herrings continue. I never discussed or referenced Maxine Waters. I don't know what Maxine Waters had to do with certain leftist groups tweeting for a show of force. The judge said what she said may be grounds for an appeal, but I'm willing to bet the next level court will disagree. And predictably some of the GOP jumped on that. What does that have to do with my comment? Was she now a left wing group calling for action AFTER the verdict came down? Go back and read my post. Was Fox News making those tweets? Was there a reference to progressive politics? Did I mention AOC, Warren, Bernie or any other progressive politician. Did I mention any group that was exerting their right to protest peacefully? What you did was connect me to a demonized group of people rather than discredit what I said. That has become more the norm on this board, and you get the lack of meaningful dialog you deserve.

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going4roses said:

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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Who do you think are the top conservative idiots in the media and who do you think are the smart ones?

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As far as conservatives go I'd say the smarter ones are Joe Scarborough and Nicole Wallace

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going4roses said:

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This part needs to be told

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I'm not sure "more punishment" is really the line the BLM movement (or liberals/progressives in general) should be taking.

Chauvin should have been convicted. No argument there. But what happened to the idea of restorative justice?

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The Floyd family doesn't have the opportunity for restorative justice, Floyd is dead. There is no restorative justice for those families that have lost loved ones to bad cops who saw their loved ones as less than human and perpetrated the ultimate violence.

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Sure, but you can say the same for lots of people who are in prison, and the liberal/progressive argument for them is that we should provide a path to rehabilitation rather than just locking people up (or executing them). I actually agree with that, but that also means that I'm not going to let go of my principles just because the offender was a cop. I hope Chauvin can be rehabilitated too.

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I don't believe in restorative justice for murderers

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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Who do you think are the top conservative idiots in the media and who do you think are the smart ones?

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People who are not pushing conspiracy theories who didn't remain silent while Captain Catastrophe and his minions attempted to destroy this Republic.

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I don't remember Ben Shapiro pushing conspiracy theories.

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Shapiro is just wrong if he thinks juniors were bullied into a guilty pleas instead of by persuasive and overwhelming evidence. Floyd was clearly incapacitated for over the 9 minutes that Chauvin held his knee on his neck. The killing was recorded on film and witnessed by horrified members of the public and first responders, providing a rare level of unassailable corroboration. Then came police testimony that when a fellow officer said he thought Floyd was no longer conscious, Chauvin "didn't let up and didn't get up," and when a fellow officer said he couldn't find Floyd's pulse, he persisted in chocking Floyd for several minutes more. These circumstances supply evidence of depraved and intentional conduct to kill Floyd. Then came a bevy of experts who testified that Floyd died from low oxygen as a result of asphyxiation. The defense was left to argue that Floyd's medical condition somehow mitigated that he didn't die from being chocked for over 9 minutes. It took the jurors only 45 minutes to convict.


By all accounts Shapiro is smart guy, He should have known better.

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Yeah, Shapiro is wicked smart, but that he sometimes goes where he goes, he merely erodes his own credibility. I view him as a fairly dangerous person to listen to. So I don't!! He's missing a component of "humanity".

One additional angle the prosecution missed, methinks...
The defense introduced evidence that Floyd's arteries were 80% blocked? So he maybe died of natural heart attack cause?
Studies show that the Standard American Diet (SAD) causes even 20 year olds to have clogged arteries to something like 50% clogged. Famous study of US soldiers killed in Vietnam by bullets, they already had hardening of the arteries. Probably some /all of the jurors had heart disease similar to Floyd. And the judge and prosecutors and defense counsel, too. They should have brought in an expert on that. Defense tried to make it abnormal and that he was near death because of it. No way. I'm sure many BI'ers are at 90%.

Pretty shocking findings. Don't eat meat:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8335815/

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concordtom said:

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BearForce2 said:

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For all BI leftists, don't loot, burn down other people's property, or hurt other people while you're peacefully protesting.

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You lose.

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My property is intact.

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ha ha ha
that's all you care about, right?

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I know for sure I don't care about you.

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Oh, I'm wounded. Mortally wounded.

Look, I imagine you are a respectable enough person. If I passed you in the street, met you socially, I'm sure we could have a fine conversation.
But your rationality here on BI is just whack, and I really don't understand how that happens.
It's a mystery of society.

Trumpism is a complete joke, and you've been brainwashed.

---

You have a very vivid imagination.

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I had initially tried to give Derek Chauvin benefit of the doubt, too.

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Nine plus minutes of chocking someone changes the benefit of doubt in my book. The juries too.

The most stupid thing the left could do right now is too riot.

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No one on the left is rioting or talking about rioting. You are falling for right wing talking points attempt to detract from the fact that they failed to acknowledge the injustices being perpetrated by our police forces and other institutions.

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Is that you Dajo? This is the myopia that has me disengaging from a lot of posters. At least Yogi reads the posts and doesn't ignore them. There was the usual in Portland and some other cities that doesn't get repotted on the news sites you frequent, but calls by the anarchist types to riot in other cities (like the Bay Area) to show the verdict calls for racial justice and police reform far have gone unanswered and if they stay unanswered, will be better for pushing through actual police reforms.

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What myopia? Why do you think it is that conservatives are absolutely obsessed with rioting (except when it's right wing extremists and mainstream Trumpers)? Your comment that the "most stupid thing the left could do" which implies that the organized "left" is somehow involved in rioting. That's fantasy fueled by right wing media and their Maxine Waters fantasies. The democratic party and its leaders are not responsible for or involved in organized rioting, certainly not to the extent and degree to which the republican party and its leaders were involved in January 6.

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You seem to continue to myopically ignore that certain left groups called for rioting and there was in fact rioting, because that doesn't fit your narrative. Instead you revert to the Hilary Clinton myopic swan song of a vast right wing conspiracy.

I'm not sure what the "organized left" even means, but it sounds blissfully to be whatever you want it to include, or not, dependent on the moment. I certainly did not use the term, nor did I come close to suggesting the leaders of the Democratic Party suggested there be riots. I said what I said, and you sir not only ignored what Is said or postings of tweets by representatives of left wings organizations calling for civil unrest, you took it one step further and simply made stuff up and inserted it to qualify my language to fit your narrative. I'm willing to concede that Trump was involved in January 6th, and acknowledged in my post that the post verdict rioting was fortunately on a small scale. Try actually responding to what is said, without a knee jerk reaction to conspiracies, lest you lose credibility.

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Lol that you think it's a concession to acknowledge the obvious fact that Trump played a role in the Jan 6 insurrection.

I did respond to what you said and what you said was the product of a right wing media narrative that attempts to smear progressives with the uncoordinated actions of apolitical actors. I suppose antifa isn't apolitical but nor are they left wing or progressive or what have you. They are outside the political sphere. You can't claim the same for the right wing extremists who have Republicans in congress (and previously, the White House) carrying their water.

It bears repeating that I don't condone rioting but nor do I pretend that rioting is affiliated in any way with the Democratic Party or organized progressive politics. People aren't rioting because of anything Maxine Waters has said or done. If it weren't for Fox News hysterics, no one would know who she is. Fox is the only one giving her a national platform and even that is it enough to cause her to influence people across the nation. When rioting occurs its largely from people taking advantage of the moment and/or economically frustrated people. It's quite different from the insurrection supported and fomented by Trump and other Republican leaders.

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The outrage claimed by political elites in both parties of the Capital being taken over for a few hours, like say the capital square of Seattle was for weeks, or attendant violence when the same could be said for Portland for one of a hundred or so nights, seems well, rather elitist and hypocritical. Clearly the Democrats chose to ignore, and continue to ignore, those indiscretions in the name of their political well being. I doubt that the actors in Portland and Seattle remain as much out of the sphere as the right hate groups parading around the capital. Both also have their few followers and supporters among elected officials, though at the Presdential level this county should be embarrassed. Then again, Biden in the first debate in response to a question directly about those rioting in Portland "for over 100 night" said those groups rioting and occupying were not the problem, the police were the problem. No message there, huh?

But hypocrisy notwithstanding, you continue to restate what I said to go define your narrative of some right wing conspiracy around my intent. And the number of red herrings continue. I never discussed or referenced Maxine Waters. I don't know what Maxine Waters had to do with certain leftist groups tweeting for a show of force. The judge said what she said may be grounds for an appeal, but I'm willing to bet the next level court will disagree. And predictably some of the GOP jumped on that. What does that have to do with my comment? Was she now a left wing group calling for action AFTER the verdict came down? Go back and read my post. Was Fox News making those tweets? Was there a reference to progressive politics? Did I mention AOC, Warren, Bernie or any other progressive politician. Did I mention any group that was exerting their right to protest peacefully? What you did was connect me to a demonized group of people rather than discredit what I said. That has become more the norm on this board, and you get the lack of meaningful dialog you deserve.

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Stop beating around the bush. Tell us what "left wing groups" called for "action" after the verdict. Let's see how it compares to the GOP's support for the insurrection.

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I'm not sure "more punishment" is really the line the BLM movement (or liberals/progressives in general) should be taking.

Chauvin should have been convicted. No argument there. But what happened to the idea of restorative justice?

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The Floyd family doesn't have the opportunity for restorative justice, Floyd is dead. There is no restorative justice for those families that have lost loved ones to bad cops who saw their loved ones as less than human and perpetrated the ultimate violence.

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Sure, but you can say the same for lots of people who are in prison, and the liberal/progressive argument for them is that we should provide a path to rehabilitation rather than just locking people up (or executing them). I actually agree with that, but that also means that I'm not going to let go of my principles just because the offender was a cop. I hope Chauvin can be rehabilitated too.

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I don't believe in restorative justice for murderers

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For multiple offenders I might agree. For one instance I think there is a chance.

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For all BI leftists, don't loot, burn down other people's property, or hurt other people while you're peacefully protesting.

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You lose.

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My property is intact.

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ha ha ha
that's all you care about, right?

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I know for sure I don't care about you.

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Oh, I'm wounded. Mortally wounded.

Look, I imagine you are a respectable enough person. If I passed you in the street, met you socially, I'm sure we could have a fine conversation.
But your rationality here on BI is just whack, and I really don't understand how that happens.
It's a mystery of society.

Trumpism is a complete joke, and you've been brainwashed.

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You have a very vivid imagination.

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I had initially tried to give Derek Chauvin benefit of the doubt, too.

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Nine plus minutes of chocking someone changes the benefit of doubt in my book. The juries too.

The most stupid thing the left could do right now is too riot.

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Yeah. I had never watched the full video before the trial and simply couldn't fathom it was as it turned out to be. Dr Tobin's crushed lung explanation pretty much sealed Chauvin's coffin. And that Chauvin didn't get off until the EMT asked him to get off? Oh my goodness - he lost his mind (if merely temporarily)!!

Agreed. If there were BLM riots tonight that would be about as stupid as thousands of Trumpists overrunning the Capitol, crushing police, throwing fire extinguishers at them, breaking doors and windows in a completely "lawless" state of mind inspired by a group of lawless leaders.

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There was the usual in Portland that had its almost nightly "Sate of Emergecy" with arrests and vandalizing what is left to vandalize. You might not be familiar with Portland or Seattle situations in the news sites you watch. The calls by the anarchist types to riot in other cities (like the Bay Area) to show the verdict calls for racial justice and police reform far have gone unanswered and if they stay unanswered, will be better for pushing through actual police reforms.

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I do try to watch Fox.
But they put out so much nonsense it upsets me.

Here, last night, a reasonable NY cop was trying to talk about solutions to what everyone agrees was a terrible tragedy. But he was making too much sense, and so Tucker interrupts him once, twice, 3 times, then producer cuts him off and Tucker finishes it with a Nope, Done pronouncement. Clearly, the producer in Tucker's ear had said, "we're ending this guy".



Also, Hannity had a Trump interview where they tried to keep alive a potential Trump 2024 run... That guy deserves zero air time.

I'll go check out Portland and Seattle disturbance news, but, yeah, come on. FoxNews is mostly a complete brainwashing joke. See my prior posts and videos about the influence that has on our subconscious mind. Keep the garbage out. Take a look now and then to get a read of the lay of the land, but otherwise don't let trash in.

There were parts of your post I simply didn't understand, fyi. Syntax.

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I used to watch Fox, CNN and MSNBC together when gyms were open as there were like 5 TVs spread across with 3 n Fox, and the other 2 on the alternatives, reading the wording which would appear under the speakers. it was like reading 3 alternative universes. Now I go to an internet news aggregator and I try to read two articles from different sources (typically WSJ and NYT) on a subject I'm interested in. To their credit they don't typically ignore issues like the TV news stations, even if they have different takes. This just in, CNN viewers just learned that Cuomo may have been accuses of harassment by a woman or two and accuses of malfeasance with the handling of C--19 cases in assisted living residences which he may have been accused of attempting to hide - even the NYT is ripping CNN's lack of coverage.. There isn't enough room to get into Fox, and MSNBC's line-up is just plain weird where the discussion starts off with GOP partisan Morning Joe and then they swing left as they day goes on. Also I tend to Ignore the twitter turds like Salon, Vox and Daily Beast (now even LeBron thinks we get it wrong), since all they generally do is restate everyones inaccurate tweets into long articles. One thing good about being a Cal grad is you learn to be a skeptic.

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I enjoyed this response, for the record.

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For all BI leftists, don't loot, burn down other people's property, or hurt other people while you're peacefully protesting.

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You lose.

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My property is intact.

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ha ha ha
that's all you care about, right?

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I know for sure I don't care about you.

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Oh, I'm wounded. Mortally wounded.

Look, I imagine you are a respectable enough person. If I passed you in the street, met you socially, I'm sure we could have a fine conversation.
But your rationality here on BI is just whack, and I really don't understand how that happens.
It's a mystery of society.

Trumpism is a complete joke, and you've been brainwashed.

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You have a very vivid imagination.

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I had initially tried to give Derek Chauvin benefit of the doubt, too.

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Nine plus minutes of chocking someone changes the benefit of doubt in my book. The juries too.

The most stupid thing the left could do right now is too riot.

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Yeah. I had never watched the full video before the trial and simply couldn't fathom it was as it turned out to be. Dr Tobin's crushed lung explanation pretty much sealed Chauvin's coffin. And that Chauvin didn't get off until the EMT asked him to get off? Oh my goodness - he lost his mind (if merely temporarily)!!

Agreed. If there were BLM riots tonight that would be about as stupid as thousands of Trumpists overrunning the Capitol, crushing police, throwing fire extinguishers at them, breaking doors and windows in a completely "lawless" state of mind inspired by a group of lawless leaders.

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There was the usual in Portland that had its almost nightly "Sate of Emergecy" with arrests and vandalizing what is left to vandalize. You might not be familiar with Portland or Seattle situations in the news sites you watch. The calls by the anarchist types to riot in other cities (like the Bay Area) to show the verdict calls for racial justice and police reform far have gone unanswered and if they stay unanswered, will be better for pushing through actual police reforms.

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I do try to watch Fox.
But they put out so much nonsense it upsets me.

Here, last night, a reasonable NY cop was trying to talk about solutions to what everyone agrees was a terrible tragedy. But he was making too much sense, and so Tucker interrupts him once, twice, 3 times, then producer cuts him off and Tucker finishes it with a Nope, Done pronouncement. Clearly, the producer in Tucker's ear had said, "we're ending this guy".



Also, Hannity had a Trump interview where they tried to keep alive a potential Trump 2024 run... That guy deserves zero air time.

I'll go check out Portland and Seattle disturbance news, but, yeah, come on. FoxNews is mostly a complete brainwashing joke. See my prior posts and videos about the influence that has on our subconscious mind. Keep the garbage out. Take a look now and then to get a read of the lay of the land, but otherwise don't let trash in.

There were parts of your post I simply didn't understand, fyi. Syntax.

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I used to watch Fox, CNN and MSNBC together when gyms were open as there were like 5 TVs spread across with 3 n Fox, and the other 2 on the alternatives, reading the wording which would appear under the speakers. it was like reading 3 alternative universes. Now I go to an internet news aggregator and I try to read two articles from different sources (typically WSJ and NYT) on a subject I'm interested in. To their credit they don't typically ignore issues like the TV news stations, even if they have different takes. This just in, CNN viewers just learned that Cuomo may have been accuses of harassment by a woman or two and accuses of malfeasance with the handling of C--19 cases in assisted living residences which he may have been accused of attempting to hide - even the NYT is ripping CNN's lack of coverage.. There isn't enough room to get into Fox, and MSNBC's line-up is just plain weird where the discussion starts off with GOP partisan Morning Joe and then they swing left as they day goes on. Also I tend to Ignore the twitter turds like Salon, Vox and Daily Beast (now even LeBron thinks we get it wrong), since all they generally do is restate everyones inaccurate tweets into long articles. One thing good about being a Cal grad is you learn to be a skeptic.

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I enjoyed this response, for the record.

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Wife is right that MSNBC's lineup is weird and that is because the NBC executives are at odds with what their viewers want. NBC has repeatedly tried to move MSNBC to the right but the viewers (the customers) have made this a problem.

MSNBC is basically establishment Republican all day and then liberal in primetime. They tried to fire Lawrence O'Donnell but viewers protested. The viewers drove the hated Chuck Todd away from prime time and now he has a midday slot. The executives were always fine with Surrender Democrats like Chris Matthews (who spent the whole Bill Clinton impeachment saying Clinton should resign). They hired old George W Bush hands like Nicole Wallace and have made failed blue dog Democrats like Claire McCaskill and Republican Michael Steele mainstays on numerous shows. They tried to bring in Greta Van Susteren from Fox and conservative Hugh Hewitt but the viewers wouldn't watch. Ultimately, MSNBC has their golden goose in Rachel Maddow and have to format a lineup around her that works.

The saddest hour of tv (and I mean, literally the people on tv were super sad) I have ever watched was all the Republicans plus Rachel Maddow on MSNBC covering the election the night Bernie Sanders won New Hampshire in 2020.

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going4roses said:

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This part needs to be told

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I'm not sure "more punishment" is really the line the BLM movement (or liberals/progressives in general) should be taking.

Chauvin should have been convicted. No argument there. But what happened to the idea of restorative justice?

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The Floyd family doesn't have the opportunity for restorative justice, Floyd is dead. There is no restorative justice for those families that have lost loved ones to bad cops who saw their loved ones as less than human and perpetrated the ultimate violence.

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Sure, but you can say the same for lots of people who are in prison, and the liberal/progressive argument for them is that we should provide a path to rehabilitation rather than just locking people up (or executing them). I actually agree with that, but that also means that I'm not going to let go of my principles just because the offender was a cop. I hope Chauvin can be rehabilitated too.

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I agree with you that once somebody serves their time, they have paid their debt to "society" and based on our legal system should have their rights restored to them, especially the right to vote. There are very few instances where I believe that restorative justice is not appropriate ie mass shooters, serial killers, and pedos. This may be extreme to some but that's my belief.

If we are talking about Chauvin and "restoration" in the same sentence, he obviously can find salvation. In fact, he should have begun the day after Floyd died. It starts like this:

"OMG, what have I done? I have F'd up. I was in a fog - the fog of war. I don't know what happened. Everything kind of blanked out. I don't recall what happened."

If someone can claim the twinkee defense for killing people, he could have claimed the "institutionalized police officer" defense. Now THAT would have been interesting to watch!

That's what the female police officer should claim as well. A grave mistake (which I believe it was). But she's been silent, apparently listening to "attorneys". Big mistake for her. Go sob in front of the TV cameras. Throw yourself on the mercy of the judging public.

Chauvin has the opportunity to write some books while in prison that could advance the public discussion. That would be be "restorative" to a degree.

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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Who do you think are the top conservative idiots in the media and who do you think are the smart ones?

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People who are not pushing conspiracy theories who didn't remain silent while Captain Catastrophe and his minions attempted to destroy this Republic.

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I don't remember Ben Shapiro pushing conspiracy theories.

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Here is a little taste of Shapiro's bullshyte. The left is fundamentally opposed to the Constitution and Obama wants to tear down the system. There are members of the Supreme Court who don't support the Constitution. These are just a few of his hits.

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sycasey said:

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going4roses said:

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This part needs to be told

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I'm not sure "more punishment" is really the line the BLM movement (or liberals/progressives in general) should be taking.

Chauvin should have been convicted. No argument there. But what happened to the idea of restorative justice?

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The Floyd family doesn't have the opportunity for restorative justice, Floyd is dead. There is no restorative justice for those families that have lost loved ones to bad cops who saw their loved ones as less than human and perpetrated the ultimate violence.

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Sure, but you can say the same for lots of people who are in prison, and the liberal/progressive argument for them is that we should provide a path to rehabilitation rather than just locking people up (or executing them). I actually agree with that, but that also means that I'm not going to let go of my principles just because the offender was a cop. I hope Chauvin can be rehabilitated too.

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I agree with you that once somebody serves their time, they have paid their debt to "society" and based on our legal system should have their rights restored to them, especially the right to vote. There are very few instances where I believe that restorative justice is not appropriate ie mass shooters, serial killers, and pedos. This may be extreme to some but that's my belief.

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Yeah, I think there is a good argument for repeatedly violent offenders to just be locked away for good. This is a small subset of the prison population. For the rest we'd be better off giving them a decent path back into society.

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BearNIt said:

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sycasey said:

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going4roses said:

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This part needs to be told

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I'm not sure "more punishment" is really the line the BLM movement (or liberals/progressives in general) should be taking.

Chauvin should have been convicted. No argument there. But what happened to the idea of restorative justice?

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The Floyd family doesn't have the opportunity for restorative justice, Floyd is dead. There is no restorative justice for those families that have lost loved ones to bad cops who saw their loved ones as less than human and perpetrated the ultimate violence.

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Sure, but you can say the same for lots of people who are in prison, and the liberal/progressive argument for them is that we should provide a path to rehabilitation rather than just locking people up (or executing them). I actually agree with that, but that also means that I'm not going to let go of my principles just because the offender was a cop. I hope Chauvin can be rehabilitated too.

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I agree with you that once somebody serves their time, they have paid their debt to "society" and based on our legal system should have their rights restored to them, especially the right to vote. There are very few instances where I believe that restorative justice is not appropriate ie mass shooters, serial killers, and pedos. This may be extreme to some but that's my belief.

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Yeah, I think there is a good argument for repeatedly violent offenders to just be locked away for good. This is a small subset of the prison population. For the rest we'd be better off giving them a decent path back into society.

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You mean like the infamous 3 Strikes law?

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going4roses said:

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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Who do you think are the top conservative idiots in the media and who do you think are the smart ones?

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People who are not pushing conspiracy theories who didn't remain silent while Captain Catastrophe and his minions attempted to destroy this Republic.

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I don't remember Ben Shapiro pushing conspiracy theories.

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Here is a little taste of Shapiro's bullshyte. The left is fundamentally opposed to the Constitution and Obama wants to tear down the system. There are members of the Supreme Court who don't support the Constitution. These are just a few of his hits.

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Listen at 16:58 for 30 seconds.
Can we get that on a loop and then ask Ben if he advised Trump on Jan 5th?

This dude has one hell of a toxic tongue. Previously he inserted some comment about rape, as if Democrats were rapists.
I think there's something mentally wrong with him.
He is an argument for censorship.

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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BearNIt said:

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sycasey said:

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going4roses said:

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This part needs to be told

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I'm not sure "more punishment" is really the line the BLM movement (or liberals/progressives in general) should be taking.

Chauvin should have been convicted. No argument there. But what happened to the idea of restorative justice?

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The Floyd family doesn't have the opportunity for restorative justice, Floyd is dead. There is no restorative justice for those families that have lost loved ones to bad cops who saw their loved ones as less than human and perpetrated the ultimate violence.

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Sure, but you can say the same for lots of people who are in prison, and the liberal/progressive argument for them is that we should provide a path to rehabilitation rather than just locking people up (or executing them). I actually agree with that, but that also means that I'm not going to let go of my principles just because the offender was a cop. I hope Chauvin can be rehabilitated too.

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I agree with you that once somebody serves their time, they have paid their debt to "society" and based on our legal system should have their rights restored to them, especially the right to vote. There are very few instances where I believe that restorative justice is not appropriate ie mass shooters, serial killers, and pedos. This may be extreme to some but that's my belief.

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Yeah, I think there is a good argument for repeatedly violent offenders to just be locked away for good. This is a small subset of the prison population. For the rest we'd be better off giving them a decent path back into society.

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You mean like the infamous 3 Strikes law?

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The 3 strikes law was for felonies, many of which are non-violent.

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going4roses said:

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Still not listening

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I heard you. Amerikkka needs to press the reset button.

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Shapiro is an idiot.

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Who do you think are the top conservative idiots in the media and who do you think are the smart ones?

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People who are not pushing conspiracy theories who didn't remain silent while Captain Catastrophe and his minions attempted to destroy this Republic.

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I don't remember Ben Shapiro pushing conspiracy theories.

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Here is a little taste of Shapiro's bullshyte. The left is fundamentally opposed to the Constitution and Obama wants to tear down the system. There are members of the Supreme Court who don't support the Constitution. These are just a few of his hits.

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Listen at 16:58 for 30 seconds.
Can we get that on a loop and then ask Ben if he advised Trump on Jan 5th?

This dude has one hell of a toxic tongue. Previously he inserted some comment about rape, as if Democrats were rapists.
I think there's something mentally wrong with him.
He is an argument for censorship.

At 32:20, he says: "If Hillary Clinton is your idea of a non-criminal in the white house, I'd like to see your idea of a criminal in the white house."
He got his wish.

At 36:40, he says: "We're going to have to step up. We're going to have to call things by the right name. We're going to have to tell the truth. We're going to have to go into communities we never thought we'd have to go into. We saw today that the RNC decided that it would be a great idea to hold the Convention in Cleveland, which... if it's not good enough for Lebron, it's not good enough for Conservatives."
What a little f'ing racist punk!

That was immediately followed up by "Republicans need to get out of the realm that this is politics as usual, and they need to get into the realm of we are fighting against a tyranny and unless we convince enough people to fight that tyranny, we are going to lose."
Wow, this guy is a little Adolph Hitler. No wonder Jan 6th happened!

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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going4roses said:

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This part needs to be told

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I'm not sure "more punishment" is really the line the BLM movement (or liberals/progressives in general) should be taking.

Chauvin should have been convicted. No argument there. But what happened to the idea of restorative justice?

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The Floyd family doesn't have the opportunity for restorative justice, Floyd is dead. There is no restorative justice for those families that have lost loved ones to bad cops who saw their loved ones as less than human and perpetrated the ultimate violence.

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Sure, but you can say the same for lots of people who are in prison, and the liberal/progressive argument for them is that we should provide a path to rehabilitation rather than just locking people up (or executing them). I actually agree with that, but that also means that I'm not going to let go of my principles just because the offender was a cop. I hope Chauvin can be rehabilitated too.

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I agree with you that once somebody serves their time, they have paid their debt to "society" and based on our legal system should have their rights restored to them, especially the right to vote. There are very few instances where I believe that restorative justice is not appropriate ie mass shooters, serial killers, and pedos. This may be extreme to some but that's my belief.

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Yeah, I think there is a good argument for repeatedly violent offenders to just be locked away for good. This is a small subset of the prison population. For the rest we'd be better off giving them a decent path back into society.

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You mean like the infamous 3 Strikes law?

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The problem with 3 strikes is that it was far too broad. Piddling charges like marijuana possession counted as "strikes."