Vaccine Redux - Vax up and go to Class

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Cal88
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Vaccines linked to higher risk of dementia and alzheimers.

sycasey
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Okay, so this isn't just about the COVID vaccines anymore. Flu and Hepatitis shots are bad too, huh?
calpoly
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Cal88 said:

Vaccines linked to higher risk of dementia and alzheimers.



Instead of linking a tweet to someone that is consistently lying, why don't you post the paper that links the flu shot with dementia and Alzheimers.
Zippergate
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Instead of linking a tweet to someone that is consistently lying, why don't you post the paper that links the flu shot with dementia and Alzheimers.

If you followed Hulscher, you would know that he posts endless peer-reviewed papers; everything is backed up by data. Meanwhile your tribe just posted a study showing the Covid shots reduce death from traffic accidents.
sycasey
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Zippergate said:

Instead of linking a tweet to someone that is consistently lying, why don't you post the paper that links the flu shot with dementia and Alzheimers.

If you followed Hulscher, you would know that he posts endless peer-reviewed papers; everything is backed up by data. Meanwhile your tribe just posted a study showing the Covid shots reduce death from traffic accidents.

I'm pretty sure that's not what it says. It says that people who took the shots showed a lower death rate across multiple cohorts. Other causes of death may be a confounder here, but it's hard to look at that and say that the vaccines didn't work.
Zippergate
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If your study data shows that a medical intervention dramatically reduces accidental deaths, it's garbage. Any medical professional who puts their name behind such a study or who amplifies such a study is either a fool or is intentionally trying to mislead.
sycasey
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Zippergate said:

If your study data shows that a medical intervention dramatically reduces accidental deaths, it's garbage. Any medical professional who puts their name behind such a study or who amplifies such a study is either a fool or is intentionally trying to mislead.

That's one part of the data. It could just be an indicator that people who took the vaccine were less risky drivers or something.

But I'm sure that your Substack randos have more credibility than this study, good point.
calpoly
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Zippergate said:

Instead of linking a tweet to someone that is consistently lying, why don't you post the paper that links the flu shot with dementia and Alzheimers.

If you followed Hulscher, you would know that he posts endless peer-reviewed papers; everything is backed up by data. Meanwhile your tribe just posted a study showing the Covid shots reduce death from traffic accidents.

I do not follow anti-vaccination influencers and I did not know that being a scientist makes me part of a tribe. I just wanted to see the paper that shows the link between the flu show and dementia and Alzheimers.
Zippergate
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sycasey said:

Zippergate said:

If your study data shows that a medical intervention dramatically reduces accidental deaths, it's garbage. Any medical professional who puts their name behind such a study or who amplifies such a study is either a fool or is intentionally trying to mislead.

That's one part of the data. It could just be an indicator that people who took the vaccine were less risky drivers or something.

But I'm sure that your Substack randos have more credibility than this study, good point.

Did the authors or the people reporting on it note that it is hopelessly confounded? No. What does that say about their intent and their credibility?

As for your comment about substack randos, that you don't know who these doctors and scientists are doesn't make them randos. Go back and compare what they have been saying about Covid for the past five years versus any of your so-called experts.
Cal88
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calpoly said:

Zippergate said:

Instead of linking a tweet to someone that is consistently lying, why don't you post the paper that links the flu shot with dementia and Alzheimers.

If you followed Hulscher, you would know that he posts endless peer-reviewed papers; everything is backed up by data. Meanwhile your tribe just posted a study showing the Covid shots reduce death from traffic accidents.

I do not follow anti-vaccination influencers and I did not know that being a scientist makes me part of a tribe. I just wanted to see the paper that shows the link between the flu show and dementia and Alzheimers.



https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/study-common-vaccines-linked-to-38

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36542511/

Abstract
Background: Observational studies suggesting that immunizations strongly decrease the risk of dementia had several methodological limitations. We assessed whether common vaccines are associated with the risk of dementia.
Methods: We assembled a population-based cohort of dementia-free individuals aged 50 years in the United Kingdom's Clinical Practice Research Datalink between 1988 and 2018. Using a nested case-control approach, we matched each patient with dementia with 4 controls. Conditional logistic regression yielded confounder-adjusted odds ratios (ORs) with 95% confidence intervals (CIs) of dementia associated with common vaccines >2 years before the index date compared with no exposure during the study period. Moreover, we applied a 10-year lag period and used active comparators (participation in breast or prostate cancer screening) to account for detection bias.
Results: Common vaccines were associated with an increased risk of dementia (OR, 1.38 [95% CI, 1.36-1.40]), compared with no exposure. Applying a 10-year lag period (OR, 1.20 [95% CI, 1.18-1.23]) and comparing versus prostate cancer screening (1.19 [ 1.11-1.27]) but not breast cancer screening (1.37 [1.30-1.45]) attenuated the risk increase.

Cal88
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Also, Cleveland Clinic study shows that flu vaccines increased the risk of getting the flu by 27%

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/new-study-flu-vaccination-linked

This study analyzed over 53,000 Cleveland Clinic employees and found that those who received the influenza vaccine during the 20242025 season were statistically more likely to contract influenza compared to those who remained unvaccinated. After adjusting for key factors like age, sex, job role, and location, the data showed a 27% higher risk of influenza among the vaccinated group (Hazard Ratio = 1.27). This led to a negative vaccine effectiveness estimate of 26.9%.

sycasey
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Cal88 said:

Also, Cleveland Clinic study shows that flu vaccines increased the risk of getting the flu by 27%

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/new-study-flu-vaccination-linked

This study analyzed over 53,000 Cleveland Clinic employees and found that those who received the influenza vaccine during the 20242025 season were statistically more likely to contract influenza compared to those who remained unvaccinated. After adjusting for key factors like age, sex, job role, and location, the data showed a 27% higher risk of influenza among the vaccinated group (Hazard Ratio = 1.27). This led to a negative vaccine effectiveness estimate of 26.9%.



Rebuttal:

https://www.health.com/flu-shot-effectiveness-11714687
sycasey
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Cal88 said:

calpoly said:

Zippergate said:

Instead of linking a tweet to someone that is consistently lying, why don't you post the paper that links the flu shot with dementia and Alzheimers.

If you followed Hulscher, you would know that he posts endless peer-reviewed papers; everything is backed up by data. Meanwhile your tribe just posted a study showing the Covid shots reduce death from traffic accidents.

I do not follow anti-vaccination influencers and I did not know that being a scientist makes me part of a tribe. I just wanted to see the paper that shows the link between the flu show and dementia and Alzheimers.



https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/study-common-vaccines-linked-to-38

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36542511/

Abstract
Background: Observational studies suggesting that immunizations strongly decrease the risk of dementia had several methodological limitations. We assessed whether common vaccines are associated with the risk of dementia.
Methods: We assembled a population-based cohort of dementia-free individuals aged 50 years in the United Kingdom's Clinical Practice Research Datalink between 1988 and 2018. Using a nested case-control approach, we matched each patient with dementia with 4 controls. Conditional logistic regression yielded confounder-adjusted odds ratios (ORs) with 95% confidence intervals (CIs) of dementia associated with common vaccines >2 years before the index date compared with no exposure during the study period. Moreover, we applied a 10-year lag period and used active comparators (participation in breast or prostate cancer screening) to account for detection bias.
Results: Common vaccines were associated with an increased risk of dementia (OR, 1.38 [95% CI, 1.36-1.40]), compared with no exposure. Applying a 10-year lag period (OR, 1.20 [95% CI, 1.18-1.23]) and comparing versus prostate cancer screening (1.19 [ 1.11-1.27]) but not breast cancer screening (1.37 [1.30-1.45]) attenuated the risk increase.



Rebuttal:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1568163721002816
sycasey
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Zippergate said:

sycasey said:

Zippergate said:

If your study data shows that a medical intervention dramatically reduces accidental deaths, it's garbage. Any medical professional who puts their name behind such a study or who amplifies such a study is either a fool or is intentionally trying to mislead.

That's one part of the data. It could just be an indicator that people who took the vaccine were less risky drivers or something.

But I'm sure that your Substack randos have more credibility than this study, good point.

Did the authors or the people reporting on it note that it is hopelessly confounded? No. What does that say about their intent and their credibility?

As for your comment about substack randos, that you don't know who these doctors and scientists are doesn't make them randos. Go back and compare what they have been saying about Covid for the past five years versus any of your so-called experts.

You guys post studies that are hopelessly confounded ALL THE TIME. Only when it goes against your pre-determined beliefs do you go digging.
Cal88
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Also, Cleveland Clinic study shows that flu vaccines increased the risk of getting the flu by 27%

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/new-study-flu-vaccination-linked

This study analyzed over 53,000 Cleveland Clinic employees and found that those who received the influenza vaccine during the 20242025 season were statistically more likely to contract influenza compared to those who remained unvaccinated. After adjusting for key factors like age, sex, job role, and location, the data showed a 27% higher risk of influenza among the vaccinated group (Hazard Ratio = 1.27). This led to a negative vaccine effectiveness estimate of 26.9%.



Rebuttal:

https://www.health.com/flu-shot-effectiveness-11714687


Not very convincing.
calpoly
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Cal88 said:

calpoly said:

Zippergate said:

Instead of linking a tweet to someone that is consistently lying, why don't you post the paper that links the flu shot with dementia and Alzheimers.

If you followed Hulscher, you would know that he posts endless peer-reviewed papers; everything is backed up by data. Meanwhile your tribe just posted a study showing the Covid shots reduce death from traffic accidents.

I do not follow anti-vaccination influencers and I did not know that being a scientist makes me part of a tribe. I just wanted to see the paper that shows the link between the flu show and dementia and Alzheimers.



https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/study-common-vaccines-linked-to-38

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36542511/

Abstract
Background: Observational studies suggesting that immunizations strongly decrease the risk of dementia had several methodological limitations. We assessed whether common vaccines are associated with the risk of dementia.
Methods: We assembled a population-based cohort of dementia-free individuals aged 50 years in the United Kingdom's Clinical Practice Research Datalink between 1988 and 2018. Using a nested case-control approach, we matched each patient with dementia with 4 controls. Conditional logistic regression yielded confounder-adjusted odds ratios (ORs) with 95% confidence intervals (CIs) of dementia associated with common vaccines >2 years before the index date compared with no exposure during the study period. Moreover, we applied a 10-year lag period and used active comparators (participation in breast or prostate cancer screening) to account for detection bias.
Results: Common vaccines were associated with an increased risk of dementia (OR, 1.38 [95% CI, 1.36-1.40]), compared with no exposure. Applying a 10-year lag period (OR, 1.20 [95% CI, 1.18-1.23]) and comparing versus prostate cancer screening (1.19 [ 1.11-1.27]) but not breast cancer screening (1.37 [1.30-1.45]) attenuated the risk increase.



You forgot this part:

Conclusions: Common vaccines were not associated with a decreased risk of dementia. Unmeasured confounding and detection bias likely accounted for the observed increased risk

BTW, if you actually read the paper you will see that these type of studies are really hard to do because of the potential outside influences that are introduced in the studies (including in this paper).
sycasey
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Also, Cleveland Clinic study shows that flu vaccines increased the risk of getting the flu by 27%

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/new-study-flu-vaccination-linked

This study analyzed over 53,000 Cleveland Clinic employees and found that those who received the influenza vaccine during the 20242025 season were statistically more likely to contract influenza compared to those who remained unvaccinated. After adjusting for key factors like age, sex, job role, and location, the data showed a 27% higher risk of influenza among the vaccinated group (Hazard Ratio = 1.27). This led to a negative vaccine effectiveness estimate of 26.9%.



Rebuttal:

https://www.health.com/flu-shot-effectiveness-11714687


Not very convincing.

Of course not.

https://www.immunizationmanagers.org/what-to-know-about-the-effectiveness-of-the-influenza-vaccine-during-the-2024-2025-respiratory-viral-season-study/
Cal88
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Also, Cleveland Clinic study shows that flu vaccines increased the risk of getting the flu by 27%

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/new-study-flu-vaccination-linked

This study analyzed over 53,000 Cleveland Clinic employees and found that those who received the influenza vaccine during the 20242025 season were statistically more likely to contract influenza compared to those who remained unvaccinated. After adjusting for key factors like age, sex, job role, and location, the data showed a 27% higher risk of influenza among the vaccinated group (Hazard Ratio = 1.27). This led to a negative vaccine effectiveness estimate of 26.9%.



Rebuttal:

https://www.health.com/flu-shot-effectiveness-11714687


Not very convincing.

Of course not.

https://www.immunizationmanagers.org/what-to-know-about-the-effectiveness-of-the-influenza-vaccine-during-the-2024-2025-respiratory-viral-season-study/


Still not convincing, they claim for example that
  • The study only involved healthcare workers from northern Ohio, most of whom were young and female. Although the authors suggest the study's findings are generalizable to relatively healthy adults in the U.S., it is difficult to make that case.
while the study itself states that the data has been adjusted for age, sex, clinical nursing job.

The explanations come across like grasping straws and copium, for instance they state that
  • Bright spot! Only 2.2% of healthcare workers were infected with flu! That's amazing!
when the infection rate of unvaccinated HC workers was 27% lower. Well that means that not taking the vaccine is 27% even more amazing...
sycasey
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Also, Cleveland Clinic study shows that flu vaccines increased the risk of getting the flu by 27%

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/new-study-flu-vaccination-linked

This study analyzed over 53,000 Cleveland Clinic employees and found that those who received the influenza vaccine during the 20242025 season were statistically more likely to contract influenza compared to those who remained unvaccinated. After adjusting for key factors like age, sex, job role, and location, the data showed a 27% higher risk of influenza among the vaccinated group (Hazard Ratio = 1.27). This led to a negative vaccine effectiveness estimate of 26.9%.



Rebuttal:

https://www.health.com/flu-shot-effectiveness-11714687


Not very convincing.

Of course not.

https://www.immunizationmanagers.org/what-to-know-about-the-effectiveness-of-the-influenza-vaccine-during-the-2024-2025-respiratory-viral-season-study/


Still not convincing, they claim for example that
  • The study only involved healthcare workers from northern Ohio, most of whom were young and female. Although the authors suggest the study's findings are generalizable to relatively healthy adults in the U.S., it is difficult to make that case.
while the study itself states that the data has been adjusted for age, sex, clinical nursing job.

The explanations come across like grasping straws and copium, for instance they state that
  • Bright spot! Only 2.2% of healthcare workers were infected with flu! That's amazing!
when the infection rate of unvaccinated HC workers was 27% lower. Well that means that not taking the vaccine is 27% even more amazing...

Believe what you want. I will post opposing arguments from time to time, so anyone reading can get the full context.
sycasey
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sycasey said:



1912 cases of measles reported in 2025. Number of deaths?



Also interesting, 4% of cases had received both MMR shots.

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html
Zippergate
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There are measles outbreaks every year. Why am I reading this now?
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Zippergate said:

There are measles outbreaks every year. Why am I reading this now?

sycasey has been struggling to accept that his party sucks so much that Trump won a second term
sycasey
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Zippergate said:

There are measles outbreaks every year. Why am I reading this now?

They are increasing because anti-vaccination attitudes are increasing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_resurgence_in_the_United_States
Zippergate
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Every time there is a movement against the vaccine complex, you see these stories about outbreaks. It's uncanny; you can set your watch by them. That's the answer to the "Why am I reading this now?" question.

MMR vaccination rates in the 1980s were far lower than they are at today's reduced levels. Measles was not a major health threat then and it isn't one now. Show me the safety data on MMR shots (or ANY of the vaccines on the schedule) tested against an inert placebo over a meaningful period of time and we can begin to talk about risk-benefit. I'm not necessarily against MMR in particular. I am against the current system which carte blanche protects manufacturers from any liability and incentivizes everyone in the system including the conflicted regulators to jam as many jabs into every child as early as possible while not even considering whether it is doing more harm than good. Refusing to ask hard questions for fear of stirring up "vaccine hesistancy" is THE problem.
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Zippergate said:

Every time there is a movement against the vaccine complex, you see these stories about outbreaks. It's uncanny; you can set your watch by them. That's the answer to the "Why am I reading this now?" question.

MMR vaccination rates in the 1980s were far lower than they are at today's reduced levels. Measles was not a major health threat then and it isn't one now. Show me the safety data on MMR shots (or ANY of the vaccines on the schedule) tested against an inert placebo over a meaningful period of time and we can begin to talk about risk-benefit. I'm not necessarily against MMR in particular. I am against the current system which carte blanche protects manufacturers from any liability and incentivizes everyone in the system including the conflicted regulators to jam as many jabs into every child as early as possible while not even considering whether it is doing more harm than good. Refusing to ask hard questions for fear of stirring up "vaccine hesistancy" is THE problem.


" Show me the safety data on MMR shots (or ANY of the vaccines on the schedule) tested against an inert placebo over a meaningful period of time and we can begin to talk about risk-benefit."

Why don't you do you figure this out yourself? You are the one railing against vaccines.
Cal88
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Careful there with the all italics response, pretty soon you're going to post random pictures of golf courses and yoga brunettes...
Zippergate
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" Show me the safety data on MMR shots (or ANY of the vaccines on the schedule) tested against an inert placebo over a meaningful period of time and we can begin to talk about risk-benefit."

Why don't you do you figure this out yourself? You are the one railing against vaccines.

Wait, what? We don't have anything resembling reasonable safety data on any of the vaccines but hey, that's okay because vaccines are SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. You can't question that because vaccines are SAFE AND EFFECTIVE and if you do you are a wingnut who is creating vaccine hesitancy. Did I get that right?

MAHA is about data and transparency. We have neither and some people don't even seem to understand why that is important. Clown world.
Cal88
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The thing about covid vaccines is that half of them (the J&J and Astra Zeneca vaccines) have been pulled for safety reasons, but if you question the safety profile of the other two covid vaccines, you're a science denier...
Zippergate
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The interesting thing about that is the J&J vaccine was probably the safest of the lot. When a safety signal appeared, it had to be sacrificed to give the appearance that the FDA was serious about safety. It was all about protecting the mRNA platform which they view as the future of vaccines. It's fast and cheap to develop and manufacture and can deliver all kinds of stuff. The safety profile is horrendous but hey, it's a small price to pay.
sycasey
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Zippergate said:

Every time there is a movement against the vaccine complex, you see these stories about outbreaks. It's uncanny; you can set your watch by them. That's the answer to the "Why am I reading this now?" question.


Maybe you're reading about it more because it's happening more.
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Zippergate
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sycasey said:

Zippergate said:

Every time there is a movement against the vaccine complex, you see these stories about outbreaks. It's uncanny; you can set your watch by them. That's the answer to the "Why am I reading this now?" question.


Maybe you're reading about it more because it's happening more.

By that logic we should be hearing about the explosion since mid-2021 of people on disability or the spike in cancer, particularly aggressive cases seen in younger populations that we've never had before. How about that story about the deaths of children from the Covid vaxx, how many MSM stories have you seen on that? Or the CDC reversal? After decades of claiming that vaccines do not cause autism, they now admit that the evidence does not support that conclusion? All over the news, I'm sure.

The irony is, vaccine hesitancy has almost nothing to do with RFK, substack writers, or wingnuts on Twitter. The public is beginning to recognize the disconnect between what they are told--the propaganda--and what they observe in the real world. They know people who have experienced severe adverse effects from the Covid vaccines, they know people who are vaxxed to max and die of Covid, so the propaganda just doesn't ring true anymore. Hardly surprising that they are reconsidering what they believe about other vaccines on the schedule and health care in general. The vaccine industrial complex overplayed its hand and as a consequence trust is at an all-time low.
sycasey
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Zippergate said:

The irony is, vaccine hesitancy has almost nothing to do with RFK, substack writers, or wingnuts on Twitter. The public is beginning to recognize the disconnect between what they are told--the propaganda--and what they observe in the real world.

I mean, I think the former might have something to do with the latter.
Zippergate
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The vaxxer brownshirts are being mobilized.

https://imahealth.substack.com/p/breaking-the-empire-strikes-back

The Chair of CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) and Independent Medical Alliance (IMA) Senior Fellow, Dr. Kirk Milhoan has been fired from his role as a pediatric cardiologist apparently because of his service on the ACIP committee under HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Dr. Kimberly Milhoan, a pediatric anesthesiologist and wife of Dr. Kirk Milhoan, published today on her Substack, "My husband Kirk Milhoan, MD, PhD, FAAP, FACC, and I are at the World Congress of Pediatric Cardiology and Cardiac Surgery in Hong Kong this week, a meeting that occurs once every four years… While here, we found out he was being dismissed from his current practice of pediatric cardiology solely because of his service as Chair of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice (ACIP) of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). He disclosed to his employer when he accepted the appointment to this committee, and then again when he accepted the role of chairman. He is a respected and valued contributor to his department. He has no patient or family complaints against him, and numerous accolades. Staff enjoy working with him. Those who broke the news to him apologized profusely, commending his integrity. Why did they fire him? Because of the overwhelming number of calls to their organization demanding his firing for his role on ACIP. The court of public opinion is dictating to a medical organization who can be on their staff, and they are bowing to it. It is a staggering turn of events."
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