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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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Those who hoarded TP are probably the same ones who are currently wearing masks outdoors while vaccinated.

BREAKING: 71% of stations in metro Charlotte are without gasoline.

— Patrick De Haan ⛽️📊 (@GasBuddyGuy) May 12, 2021

I hear Northern Virginia is out of gas. I’m not feeling overly sympathetic. Bend over, Biden voters! Your best bet now might be to bring in Eric Swalwell and feed him lots of beans #Pipelinehack #GasShortage2021

— Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) May 12, 2021

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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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Those who hoarded TP are probably the same ones who are currently wearing masks outdoors while vaccinated.

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Do you drive a car with airbags, a seatbelt, and brakes? I mean, it's obvious you're opposed to redundancy to prevent an undesirable event.

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BearForce2 said:

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71Bear said:

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01Bear said:

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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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Those who hoarded TP are probably the same ones who are currently wearing masks outdoors while vaccinated.

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Do you drive a car with airbags, a seatbelt, and brakes? I mean, it's obvious you're opposed to redundancy to prevent an undesirable event.

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Yes and no.
I hoard TP but generally don't wear masks outdoors where there aren't a lot of people.

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01Bear said:

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71Bear said:

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01Bear said:

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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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Those who hoarded TP are probably the same ones who are currently wearing masks outdoors while vaccinated.

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Do you drive a car with airbags, a seatbelt, and brakes? I mean, it's obvious you're opposed to redundancy to prevent an undesirable event.

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Yes and no.
I hoard TP but generally don't wear masks outdoors where there are a lot of people.

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Absent any laws or regulations to the contrary, your choosing not to wear masks outdoors around lots of people is your decision to make. Just as it's up to others to decide whether they wish to wear masks outdoors. Ridiculing them for being more vigilant about protecting their own health as well as that of others because you made a different choice is foolish.

I get that the rightwing has ridiculously made mask wearing into a cultural-political issue, but it's just asinine for any critical thinker, which I assume you to be as I assume you are a Cal alumnus, to follow that path. The science has shown that mask wearing cuts down on the transmission risk of respiratory illnesses. Sure, science has also shown that certain viruses, including SARS-Cov-2 are inactivated by sunlight over a matter of time. But that doesn't mean the viruses are immediately and automatically inactivated upon exposure to sunlight, let alone that being outdoors is sufficient to inactivate those viruses. Additionally, science has shown that the Covid-19 vaccines will not always prevent a vaccinated person from catching Covid-19, though it will reduce the risk of a severe illness.

In short, if others wish to wear masks outdoors after being fully vaccinated, they should be free to do so without fear of derision (or worse, assault).

01Bear said:

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71Bear said:

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01Bear said:

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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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Those who hoarded TP are probably the same ones who are currently wearing masks outdoors while vaccinated.

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Do you drive a car with airbags, a seatbelt, and brakes? I mean, it's obvious you're opposed to redundancy to prevent an undesirable event.

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Yes and no.
I hoard TP but generally don't wear masks outdoors where there are a lot of people.

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Absent any laws or regulations to the contrary, your choosing not to wear masks outdoors around lots of people is your decision to make. Just as it's up to others to decide whether they wish to wear masks outdoors. Ridiculing them for being more vigilant about protecting their own health as well as that of others because you made a different choice is foolish.

I get that the rightwing has ridiculously made mask wearing into a cultural-political issue, but it's just asinine for any critical thinker, which I assume you to be as I assume you are a Cal alumnus, to follow that path. The science has shown that mask wearing cuts down on the transmission risk of respiratory illnesses. Sure, science has also shown that certain viruses, including SARS-Cov-2 are inactivated by sunlight over a matter of time. But that doesn't mean the viruses are immediately and automatically inactivated upon exposure to sunlight, let alone that being outdoors is sufficient to inactivate those viruses. Additionally, science has shown that the Covid-19 vaccines will not always prevent a vaccinated person from catching Covid-19, though it will reduce the risk of a severe illness.

In short, if others wish to wear masks outdoors after being fully vaccinated, they should be free to do so without fear of derision (or worse, assault).

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I generally don't wear masks outdoors when there "aren't" a lot of people around. It was a misspelling.

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BearForce2 said:

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01Bear said:

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71Bear said:

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01Bear said:

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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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Those who hoarded TP are probably the same ones who are currently wearing masks outdoors while vaccinated.

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Do you drive a car with airbags, a seatbelt, and brakes? I mean, it's obvious you're opposed to redundancy to prevent an undesirable event.

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Yes and no.
I hoard TP but generally don't wear masks outdoors where there are a lot of people.

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Absent any laws or regulations to the contrary, your choosing not to wear masks outdoors around lots of people is your decision to make. Just as it's up to others to decide whether they wish to wear masks outdoors. Ridiculing them for being more vigilant about protecting their own health as well as that of others because you made a different choice is foolish.

I get that the rightwing has ridiculously made mask wearing into a cultural-political issue, but it's just asinine for any critical thinker, which I assume you to be as I assume you are a Cal alumnus, to follow that path. The science has shown that mask wearing cuts down on the transmission risk of respiratory illnesses. Sure, science has also shown that certain viruses, including SARS-Cov-2 are inactivated by sunlight over a matter of time. But that doesn't mean the viruses are immediately and automatically inactivated upon exposure to sunlight, let alone that being outdoors is sufficient to inactivate those viruses. Additionally, science has shown that the Covid-19 vaccines will not always prevent a vaccinated person from catching Covid-19, though it will reduce the risk of a severe illness.

In short, if others wish to wear masks outdoors after being fully vaccinated, they should be free to do so without fear of derision (or worse, assault).

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Good points. But following your line of thought, when will these same people ever stop wearing a mask outdoors?

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01Bear said:

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01Bear said:

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BearForce2 said:

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71Bear said:

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01Bear said:

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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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Those who hoarded TP are probably the same ones who are currently wearing masks outdoors while vaccinated.

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Do you drive a car with airbags, a seatbelt, and brakes? I mean, it's obvious you're opposed to redundancy to prevent an undesirable event.

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Yes and no.
I hoard TP but generally don't wear masks outdoors where there are a lot of people.

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Absent any laws or regulations to the contrary, your choosing not to wear masks outdoors around lots of people is your decision to make. Just as it's up to others to decide whether they wish to wear masks outdoors. Ridiculing them for being more vigilant about protecting their own health as well as that of others because you made a different choice is foolish.

I get that the rightwing has ridiculously made mask wearing into a cultural-political issue, but it's just asinine for any critical thinker, which I assume you to be as I assume you are a Cal alumnus, to follow that path. The science has shown that mask wearing cuts down on the transmission risk of respiratory illnesses. Sure, science has also shown that certain viruses, including SARS-Cov-2 are inactivated by sunlight over a matter of time. But that doesn't mean the viruses are immediately and automatically inactivated upon exposure to sunlight, let alone that being outdoors is sufficient to inactivate those viruses. Additionally, science has shown that the Covid-19 vaccines will not always prevent a vaccinated person from catching Covid-19, though it will reduce the risk of a severe illness.

In short, if others wish to wear masks outdoors after being fully vaccinated, they should be free to do so without fear of derision (or worse, assault).

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Good points. But following your line of thought, when will these same people ever stop wearing a mask outdoors?

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Barring any laws or regulations mandating they do so, why should they have to stop wearing masks? In many East Asian countries, wearing masks has become normalized, and is also partly responsible for why their Covid rates were so low. These countries suffered from SARS outbreaks before; their populations got used to wearing face masks in public. These countries haven't suffered any negative effects as a result of their populations face mask wearing.

The primary reason people in the US have become upset with wearing face masks is that the political rightwing has turned it into an idiotic cultural-political war. For them, wearing a face mask is a sign of disloyalty to Donald Trump who claimed that Covid-19 wasn't a big deal and would disappear in a few weeks. They show their support of Donald Trump by downplaying Covid-19 and ridiculing all the "eggheads" and "libtards" who take science seriously by not wearing face masks (and now by refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19).

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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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Those who hoarded TP are probably the same ones who are currently wearing masks outdoors while vaccinated.

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Yet another idiotic post.

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01Bear said:

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LMK5 said:

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01Bear said:

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01Bear said:

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71Bear said:

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01Bear said:

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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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Those who hoarded TP are probably the same ones who are currently wearing masks outdoors while vaccinated.

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Do you drive a car with airbags, a seatbelt, and brakes? I mean, it's obvious you're opposed to redundancy to prevent an undesirable event.

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Yes and no.
I hoard TP but generally don't wear masks outdoors where there are a lot of people.

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Absent any laws or regulations to the contrary, your choosing not to wear masks outdoors around lots of people is your decision to make. Just as it's up to others to decide whether they wish to wear masks outdoors. Ridiculing them for being more vigilant about protecting their own health as well as that of others because you made a different choice is foolish.

I get that the rightwing has ridiculously made mask wearing into a cultural-political issue, but it's just asinine for any critical thinker, which I assume you to be as I assume you are a Cal alumnus, to follow that path. The science has shown that mask wearing cuts down on the transmission risk of respiratory illnesses. Sure, science has also shown that certain viruses, including SARS-Cov-2 are inactivated by sunlight over a matter of time. But that doesn't mean the viruses are immediately and automatically inactivated upon exposure to sunlight, let alone that being outdoors is sufficient to inactivate those viruses. Additionally, science has shown that the Covid-19 vaccines will not always prevent a vaccinated person from catching Covid-19, though it will reduce the risk of a severe illness.

In short, if others wish to wear masks outdoors after being fully vaccinated, they should be free to do so without fear of derision (or worse, assault).

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Good points. But following your line of thought, when will these same people ever stop wearing a mask outdoors?

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Barring any laws or regulations mandating they do so, why should they have to stop wearing masks? In many East Asian countries, wearing masks has become normalized, and is also partly responsible for why their Covid rates were so low. These countries suffered from SARS outbreaks before; their populations got used to wearing face masks in public. These countries haven't suffered any negative effects as a result of their populations face mask wearing.

The primary reason people in the US have become upset with wearing face masks is that the political rightwing has turned it into an idiotic cultural-political war. For them, wearing a face mask is a sign of disloyalty to Donald Trump who claimed that Covid-19 wasn't a big deal and would disappear in a few weeks. They show their support of Donald Trump by downplaying Covid-19 and ridiculing all the "eggheads" and "libtards" who take science seriously by not wearing face masks (and now by refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19).

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Of course I don't care if others wear masks outdoors on a trail,

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Sure seems like you do given that you followed that statement with 2 paragraphs complaining.

I think about all this from two different standpoints. First, we have an obligation to each other as a society. Unfortunately, lots of people have abrogated any responsibility to be considerate of others which is a big part of the deterioration we've seen in our culture. Public health is about protecting us as a people, not necessarily each individual. I still wear a mask when I'm around other people in public to be considerate. I hate wearing masks but it's a relatively minor inconvenience, all things considered.

Second, we make decisions to protect from (or expose ourselves to) risks. When the pandemic was peaking, these decisions obviously impact public health and other people, but now that vaccines are widely available, it primarily impacts your family. If people want to lick doorknobs or whatever, they are free to do so. It doesn't bother me when people wear sunscreen, choose to drive safer cars, eat healthy or take other measures they believe protect them from risks, whether those precautions are warranted or not. When I was younger I used to snicker at people who used umbrellas when it was drizzling but as I've matured I've realized that, except for the jerks who can't manage to walk down the street without hitting people with their umbrellas, it doesn't impact me in the least and I no longer care. Okay, so I guess I care a little bit about inconsiderate umbrella users on sidewalks.

Bottom line, I think there is a big difference between criticism of people who fail to do the bare minimum with regard to public health mandates since that impacts the shape of the pandemic and affects everyone. Had we done a better job as a society, we would have been over the pandemic earlier. Look at compliance in the countries that did well and it's no mystery. As a country we did extremely poorly for a variety of reasons, and failure to adhere to guidance, as well as constantly criticizing all guidance, was chief among them. Criticizing people who go beyond the minimum for whatever reason (because they are immune compromised, because they want to stick it to the anti-public health brigade, or because they just keep doing what they've been doing) is petty and categorically not the same as criticizing people who violate mandates. It's one thing to talk about the rule of law and criticize law breakers, it's quite another to criticize people for doing more than a law requires.

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Of course I don't care if others wear masks outdoors on a trail, but it is a shame that people will follow science when it restricts their lives, but won't follow science from the same source when it releases them from that restriction. I guess it's human behavior. Why do we still have hand sanitizer all over the place when it has been documented that Covid doesn't get transmitted via surfaces?

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It's clear to me that you are speaking not out of concern that people are unnecessarily inconveniencing themselves but more from a desire to control the behavior of others simply because it bugs you. Give people time -- folks go at their own pace. Let people live their own lives if it's not impacting you or causing harm to others.

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71Bear said:

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01Bear said:

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I was getting gas at Costco last night at 8:30pm. Usually, that's a pretty dead period so I can arrive, gas up, and leave in minutes. Last night was completely different. The cars were lined up at least two or three deep per pump. It was like the middle of the day on a Saturday. I wonder if the lines were related to the pipeline hacking and subsequent gas shortage in the East Coast.

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I suspect those drivers probably had cases of TP in their trunks they purchased at the beginning of the pandemic. The notion of panic buying is an enduring mystery. Why???

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Those who hoarded TP are probably the same ones who are currently wearing masks outdoors while vaccinated.

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Do you drive a car with airbags, a seatbelt, and brakes? I mean, it's obvious you're opposed to redundancy to prevent an undesirable event.

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Yes and no.
I hoard TP but generally don't wear masks outdoors where there are a lot of people.

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Absent any laws or regulations to the contrary, your choosing not to wear masks outdoors around lots of people is your decision to make. Just as it's up to others to decide whether they wish to wear masks outdoors. Ridiculing them for being more vigilant about protecting their own health as well as that of others because you made a different choice is foolish.

I get that the rightwing has ridiculously made mask wearing into a cultural-political issue, but it's just asinine for any critical thinker, which I assume you to be as I assume you are a Cal alumnus, to follow that path. The science has shown that mask wearing cuts down on the transmission risk of respiratory illnesses. Sure, science has also shown that certain viruses, including SARS-Cov-2 are inactivated by sunlight over a matter of time. But that doesn't mean the viruses are immediately and automatically inactivated upon exposure to sunlight, let alone that being outdoors is sufficient to inactivate those viruses. Additionally, science has shown that the Covid-19 vaccines will not always prevent a vaccinated person from catching Covid-19, though it will reduce the risk of a severe illness.

In short, if others wish to wear masks outdoors after being fully vaccinated, they should be free to do so without fear of derision (or worse, assault).

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In this country we have two kinds of people: Those who don't need masks but wear them, and those who need masks but don't wear them.

— Binyamin Appelbaum (@BCAppelbaum) May 13, 2021

You are the former

If everyone doesn’t drive for 2 weeks we can flatten the curve... It’s science. #BidenGasLines

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) May 13, 2021

If everyone stopped using TP for two weeks, we can also flatten that curve. Just practice social distancing.

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Of course I don't care if others wear masks outdoors on a trail, but it is a shame that people will follow science when it restricts their lives, but won't follow science from the same source when it releases them from that restriction. I guess it's human behavior. Why do we still have hand sanitizer all over the place when it has been documented that Covid doesn't get transmitted via surfaces?

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It's clear to me that you are speaking not out of concern that people are unnecessarily inconveniencing themselves but more from a desire to control the behavior of others simply because it bugs you. Give people time -- folks go at their own pace. Let people live their own lives if it's not impacting you or causing harm to others.

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I don't want to control anyone's behavior. What gave you that idea? I'm just bewildered that people don't listen to the science when a restriction can be lifted, that's all. It's commentary. It doesn't affect me if someone wears a mask in the wilderness or in their car, it's just an opportunity to chuckle.

You're a reasonable guy. How do you feel about the teachers unions--especially in the Bay area--exploiting local kids in the name of Covid safety? It's a perfect example of how it can go too far. Should they be able to force schools closed because they say they fear for their own personal safety, despite all available evidence?

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Almost ALL of your posts are about controlling peoples behavior. People should go back to work during a pandemic because YOU are inconvenienced has been one of your big mantras during the last year. Just like the post above!