Gruden Vamoose!

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sycasey
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Really, one stick figure comic already covered this for us:


https://xkcd.com/1357/

(And yes, I will grant that there can be more nuance when a mob comes to cancel someone based on unfounded accusations and that kind of censorship may not be fair, even if it is legal. But in Gruden's case, the above absolutely applies.)
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Derek Carr suggests NFL 'open up everything' in team correspondence after Jon Gruden resignation


https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-news-derek-carr-suggests-nfl-open-up-everything-in-team-correspondence-after-gruden-resignation-131052655.html
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Jon Gruden was hostile to Black people for years before his emails came out


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/oct/14/jon-gruden-was-hostile-to-black-people-for-years-before-his-emails-came-out?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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oski003 said:

Assuming that these emails only became public because someone used the judicial to subpoena and then share them, would any constitutional rights come into play?


just to be clear: Dan Snyder is directly responsible for the release of some of those emails.
okaydo
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I'm so old I remember when HTP1 would quote MLK's content of character speech.

Now he's defending the guy who is the opposite of that speech.
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okaydo said:

oski003 said:

Assuming that these emails only became public because someone used the judicial to subpoena and then share them, would any constitutional rights come into play?


just to be clear: Dan Snyder is directly responsible for the release of some of those emails.


You didn't answer my question.
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oski003 said:

okaydo said:

oski003 said:

Assuming that these emails only became public because someone used the judicial to subpoena and then share them, would any constitutional rights come into play?


just to be clear: Dan Snyder is directly responsible for the release of some of those emails.


You didn't answer my question.
The first amendment says the government can't stop you from exercising your free speech rights. If the government was using subpoenas to interfere with this exercise (eg using it to force disclosure of confidential news sources), there could be a conversation.

We're not even close to the constitution here. As far as we know, Gruden voluntarily resigned. He send unrestricted emails to private individuals and the emails got swept up in civil litigation. That's what he gets for being dumb enough to share his abhorrent views semi-publicly. Any time you send an email to someone you should understand that it could become public some day. Welcome to the last 25 years of history.

The only reason this discussion is happening is because there are other people who share Gruden's abhorrent views who are livid at the fact that anyone would pay any price for expressing these abhorrent views. These are the same people who think George Floyd deserved to die for passing a $20 counterfeit check, that Kyle Rittenhouse and other Meal Team 6 members should be able kill people without repercussions when they feel any fear, that Colin K and any other black athlete who took a knee is a "son of a *****" but that somehow someway there must be some argument that John Gruden should be privileged beyond reproach.

There is no reason to humor any of this. Not even Gruden is defending himself but you've got a bunch of white knights desperate to generate some sort of argument that he should be shielded. It's ridiculous and anyone defending him is a deplorable and an idiot.

Please tell us who you are by letting us know if you think we should be uncovering every rock to find a way to justify Gruden's actions.
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okaydo said:



When you're a high-profile leader and in private you use words that demonstrate that you think Blacks and gays are less than human and that women are unworthy, then it becomes hard to continue leading Blacks, gays and women -- and interacting with women, Blacks and gays in your job.



Damn - again I agree with you. I don't see why this is hard for people to understand. Gruden has lost all moral authority and would continue to be a distraction for the rest of his contract.

The solution to hypocrisy is not to let Gruden keep his job. It is to apply to the same standard applied to Gruden to others.
oski003
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Can someone list all the terrible things Gruden said in his emails? For sake of realizing how awful he truly is? I am not defending him but there could be a disconnect of knowledge of what he actually said.
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Gruden is expendable especially if it shields owners of more malfeasance. He was done as soon as he crossed the line with the head of the player's union. The owners need him more than Gruden.
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https://nypost.com/2021/10/14/wft-cheerleaders-are-traumatized-reliving-topless-photo-nightmare/?utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook
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Antonio Brown, who last spring paid a settlement to a woman who accused him of rape, is a starting wide receiver for the Bucs.

Earlier this month, these same Buccaneers signed Richard Sherman, who is currently facing criminal charges for domestic violence.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
okaydo
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BearForce2 said:



Antonio Brown, who last spring paid a settlement to a woman who accused him of rape, is a starting wide receiver for the Bucs.

Earlier this month, these same Buccaneers signed Richard Sherman, who is currently facing criminal charges for domestic violence.


Had no idea Sherman and Brown became head coaches.
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okaydo said:


Had no idea Sherman and Brown became head coaches.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
dajo9
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helltopay1 said:

I thought private e-mails were constitutionally protected.

You know..
1) Free speech
2) Private property
3) The right not to have your private property seized without a search warrant.

I get it..Let's publish Grudens' private e-mails wherein no crimes were committed, but, Hunters; e-mails implicating Joes' nefarious deals with foreign countries are Russian disinformation.
No problem there!!!!!


I must have missed your passionate defense of the "constitutional" rights of those in the DNC who had their emails hacked and leaked in 2016.
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