Unit2Sucks said:
Cal88 said:
There is no such a thing as "mild myocarditis", it is the result of heart tissue damage from the immune system attacking heart tissue as a result of mRNA-produced spike proteins seeping into that organ.
This is blatantly false. The vast majority of people who have myocarditis, even when requiring hospitalization, fully recover. The vast majority of vaccine-related myocarditis cases are mild and fully resolve. This is true by the way, whether you get myocarditis from COVID or from a vaccine although my understanding is that vaccine linked cases tend to be milder, which is what we saw in the Thai study that you are misrepresenting (more on that below). Of course, people like you tend to ignore the risk of COVID entirely.
In the study you cited, the patients all had mild cases and didn't need treatment. It's absolutely true that some people suffer serious cases of myocarditis and never fully recover. Some even have chronic or recurring cases. Everything I've read indicates that the vast majority of mRNA vaccine linked cases are mild and people fully recover. I've never seen anything to the contrary that would indicate that vaccine linked cases are worse than normal myocarditis or than myocarditis linked to COVID itself. People like to point out pro athletes whose careers have been "destroyed" by vaccine linked myocarditis but they miraculously fail to cover when those same athletes fully recover a few months later.
I would also be remiss if I didn't point out how absolutely wrong you were so many times during the pandemic. You authoritatively claimed it would be gone here, just like in Europe. That was in July 2020. How'd that work out? You also claimed authoritatively (and still do, as far as I know), the Hydroxycloroquine is what amounts to a miracle treatment for COVID. But I think most of the snake oil buyers have moved on to Ivermectin or drinking their own urine or whatever.
I know you can't help yourself but we don't have to fall for it.
JHU on Myocarditis:
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Most cases of myocarditis are self-resolving. Other cases recover several months after you receive treatment. In some cases, this condition can recur and can cause symptoms related to inflammation such as chest pain or shortness of breath.
Mayo Clinic:
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Some people with myocarditis may need medications for just a few months and then recover completely. Others may have long-term, permanent heart damage that needs lifelong medication. It's important to have regular health checkups after a diagnosis of myocarditis to check for possible complications.
Even the Myocarditis Foundation recognizes this:
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After Myocarditis
After treatment, many patients live long, full lives free from the effects of myocarditis. For others, however, ongoing cardiovascular medication or even a heart transplant may be needed. Overall, myocarditis which can cause dilated cardiomyopathy, are thought to account for up to 45 percent of heart transplants in the U.S. today.
The links you've provided actually do not support the notion that
vaccine-induced myocarditis cases "resolve themselves". That condition is caused by damage of the heart tissue from auto-immune reaction due to the vaccine, as opposed to a bacterial or viral infection that might subside.
There are no long-term studies of this condition, because even today, mRNA vaccines are still an experimental treatment, arguably the largest medical experiment ever conducted on the human race.
Also, you're deliberately ignoring the big picture here, that the damage from vaccines observed among young people greatly outweigh their risk factor from covid. That is why countries like Denmark and Sweden have suspended its administration to that age group.
This is a point that this cardiologist makes a lot better than I could:
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It is good news that the clinical course of the vaccine series in these cases was not associated with short term severe morbidity or mortality. It is also great news that the one child with a cardiac troponin that was 40 times normal does not have evidence of significant scar formation on a cardiac MRI performed 5 months later.
But it is certainly not good news that a small 301 patient study of Thai adolescents/teenagers picks up this much cardiac injury after a second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. (Recall that the Moderna vaccine has been shown to have myocarditis rates 3-4x Pfizer). I can assure you, and the mostly ER doctor contingent on twitter that brays about "mild myocarditis", that there are no cardiologists who want to see their child have a cardiac troponin that is 2x normal or 40x normal after administration of some therapeutic. What exactly does one to do with an adolescent with a troponin that is 2x normal that is asymptomatic?
Given the theoretical risk of malignant cardiac arrhythmias I would imagine most cardiologists would follow the current guidelines for myocarditis and advise against strenuous cardiac activity for some months. Sudden cardiac death in young athletes is obviously a fearsome complication that is very real and it is likely some proportion of sudden cardiac death is from subclinical myocarditis.
We should be clear that no one currently knows the long-term significance of the clinical or subclinical myocarditis that is being diagnosed here, but there is little question in an adult population, elevations of cardiac troponin has been shown to be a poor prognostic factor. It is unclear how this relates to pediatric populations, but I don't quite understand why anyone would want to run this experiment.
It's important to note that the conversations I see now about elevations in troponin are completely at odds with what cardiologists have normally said in a time before the COVID vaccines rolled out. The only time cardiologists have ever minimized troponin elevations in the preCOVID era was around the performance of cardiac procedures that are associated with these elevations.
In these cases, of course, there is something wrong with a patient that needs a procedure, and the most one would say is that the benefits of the procedure outweigh the risks. It is absolutely head-spinning to see that the public conversation now is geared to dismiss cardiac injury in young healthy children as "mild".
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This study does matter; it is important. It is the first prospective study of biomarkers post vaccine. It came from Thailand. It is concerning. It captures so many failures with drug safety. When we are scared, naturally reason is suppressed. In this case, too many people have been too scared for too long; they took something great the COVID19 vaccine and found a way to bungle the policy around it."
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You authoritatively claimed it would be gone here, just like in Europe. That was in July 2020. How'd that work out?
I was off by one season. As many experts predicted, covid took the course of other respiratory viral epidemics, that of taking on a much more contagious and much less virulent form in its latter stages.
