Ukraine PM Yulia Svyrydenko resigned recently. She too was under a corruption investigation.
Previously, Defense Minister Mykhailo Fedorov resigned, citing internal struggles over "procurement priorities."
Looks like it's a giant grift.
sycasey said:
Peace process seems to be going well!⚡️Exclusive: Trump envoys find Putin still unwilling to compromise on Ukraine.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) September 7, 2026
Russian President Vladimir Putin remains committed to escalating his war against Ukraine despite a new U.S. push to revive peace talks, people familiar with the matter told the Kyiv Independent.…
sycasey said:cbbass1 said:DaddyLegend said:
Can you get banned here for saying Trump is Putin's puppet?
Asking for all my friends here.
No.
But you'll likely be dismissed for believing nonsense.
Clearly Trump is FAR more beholden to Netanyahu, Miriam Adelson, the NeoCons, the Israel Lobby, the AI/Tech Bros, the PayPal Mafia, and Elon Musk than he is to Putin.
Trump is simply recognizing reality. The U.S. cannot defeat Russia, nor dislodge Putin. Any $$$ spent on the Ukraine War, or "defending Europe" is a waste.
Like it or not, the U.S. must learn to "get along with others" in order to survive. That includes Russia, China, and Iran.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned "puppet masters" cannot tolerate anything but U.S. Global Hegemony.
This is why they're discussing the use of nuclear weapons.
Idiots!
It's time to return control of U.S. foreign policy to the U.S. Sovereignty is important.
What's your thinking for how to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine?
cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:DaddyLegend said:
Can you get banned here for saying Trump is Putin's puppet?
Asking for all my friends here.
No.
But you'll likely be dismissed for believing nonsense.
Clearly Trump is FAR more beholden to Netanyahu, Miriam Adelson, the NeoCons, the Israel Lobby, the AI/Tech Bros, the PayPal Mafia, and Elon Musk than he is to Putin.
Trump is simply recognizing reality. The U.S. cannot defeat Russia, nor dislodge Putin. Any $$$ spent on the Ukraine War, or "defending Europe" is a waste.
Like it or not, the U.S. must learn to "get along with others" in order to survive. That includes Russia, China, and Iran.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned "puppet masters" cannot tolerate anything but U.S. Global Hegemony.
This is why they're discussing the use of nuclear weapons.
Idiots!
It's time to return control of U.S. foreign policy to the U.S. Sovereignty is important.
What's your thinking for how to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine?
Putin will stop attacking Ukraine when Ukraine & the U.S. & NATO stop attacking Russia, and stop arming Ukraine.
That's what Witkoff & Kushner will be telling Trump.
It's over.
sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:DaddyLegend said:
Can you get banned here for saying Trump is Putin's puppet?
Asking for all my friends here.
No.
But you'll likely be dismissed for believing nonsense.
Clearly Trump is FAR more beholden to Netanyahu, Miriam Adelson, the NeoCons, the Israel Lobby, the AI/Tech Bros, the PayPal Mafia, and Elon Musk than he is to Putin.
Trump is simply recognizing reality. The U.S. cannot defeat Russia, nor dislodge Putin. Any $$$ spent on the Ukraine War, or "defending Europe" is a waste.
Like it or not, the U.S. must learn to "get along with others" in order to survive. That includes Russia, China, and Iran.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned "puppet masters" cannot tolerate anything but U.S. Global Hegemony.
This is why they're discussing the use of nuclear weapons.
Idiots!
It's time to return control of U.S. foreign policy to the U.S. Sovereignty is important.
What's your thinking for how to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine?
Putin will stop attacking Ukraine when Ukraine & the U.S. & NATO stop attacking Russia, and stop arming Ukraine.
That's what Witkoff & Kushner will be telling Trump.
It's over.
Ah, more confident predictions. So your position is that the US should leave Ukraine and then Putin will just stop the war? Won't be conquering any more territory? That's your thinking?
oski003 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:DaddyLegend said:
Can you get banned here for saying Trump is Putin's puppet?
Asking for all my friends here.
No.
But you'll likely be dismissed for believing nonsense.
Clearly Trump is FAR more beholden to Netanyahu, Miriam Adelson, the NeoCons, the Israel Lobby, the AI/Tech Bros, the PayPal Mafia, and Elon Musk than he is to Putin.
Trump is simply recognizing reality. The U.S. cannot defeat Russia, nor dislodge Putin. Any $$$ spent on the Ukraine War, or "defending Europe" is a waste.
Like it or not, the U.S. must learn to "get along with others" in order to survive. That includes Russia, China, and Iran.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned "puppet masters" cannot tolerate anything but U.S. Global Hegemony.
This is why they're discussing the use of nuclear weapons.
Idiots!
It's time to return control of U.S. foreign policy to the U.S. Sovereignty is important.
What's your thinking for how to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine?
Putin will stop attacking Ukraine when Ukraine & the U.S. & NATO stop attacking Russia, and stop arming Ukraine.
That's what Witkoff & Kushner will be telling Trump.
It's over.
Ah, more confident predictions. So your position is that the US should leave Ukraine and then Putin will just stop the war? Won't be conquering any more territory? That's your thinking?
1) Negotiate peace deal
2) Abode by peace deal
Please note that the above steps are difficult to achieve if NATO really doesn't want peace other than a deal that destroys Russia.
sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:DaddyLegend said:
Can you get banned here for saying Trump is Putin's puppet?
Asking for all my friends here.
No.
But you'll likely be dismissed for believing nonsense.
Clearly Trump is FAR more beholden to Netanyahu, Miriam Adelson, the NeoCons, the Israel Lobby, the AI/Tech Bros, the PayPal Mafia, and Elon Musk than he is to Putin.
Trump is simply recognizing reality. The U.S. cannot defeat Russia, nor dislodge Putin. Any $$$ spent on the Ukraine War, or "defending Europe" is a waste.
Like it or not, the U.S. must learn to "get along with others" in order to survive. That includes Russia, China, and Iran.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned "puppet masters" cannot tolerate anything but U.S. Global Hegemony.
This is why they're discussing the use of nuclear weapons.
Idiots!
It's time to return control of U.S. foreign policy to the U.S. Sovereignty is important.
What's your thinking for how to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine?
Putin will stop attacking Ukraine when Ukraine & the U.S. & NATO stop attacking Russia, and stop arming Ukraine.
That's what Witkoff & Kushner will be telling Trump.
It's over.
Ah, more confident predictions. So your position is that the US should leave Ukraine and then Putin will just stop the war? Won't be conquering any more territory? That's your thinking?
1) Negotiate peace deal
2) Abode by peace deal
Please note that the above steps are difficult to achieve if NATO really doesn't want peace other than a deal that destroys Russia.
Also even more difficult to achieve if Russia doesn't want peace, given that they are the ones doing the invasion.
movielover said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:DaddyLegend said:
Can you get banned here for saying Trump is Putin's puppet?
Asking for all my friends here.
No.
But you'll likely be dismissed for believing nonsense.
Clearly Trump is FAR more beholden to Netanyahu, Miriam Adelson, the NeoCons, the Israel Lobby, the AI/Tech Bros, the PayPal Mafia, and Elon Musk than he is to Putin.
Trump is simply recognizing reality. The U.S. cannot defeat Russia, nor dislodge Putin. Any $$$ spent on the Ukraine War, or "defending Europe" is a waste.
Like it or not, the U.S. must learn to "get along with others" in order to survive. That includes Russia, China, and Iran.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned "puppet masters" cannot tolerate anything but U.S. Global Hegemony.
This is why they're discussing the use of nuclear weapons.
Idiots!
It's time to return control of U.S. foreign policy to the U.S. Sovereignty is important.
What's your thinking for how to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine?
Putin will stop attacking Ukraine when Ukraine & the U.S. & NATO stop attacking Russia, and stop arming Ukraine.
That's what Witkoff & Kushner will be telling Trump.
It's over.
Ah, more confident predictions. So your position is that the US should leave Ukraine and then Putin will just stop the war? Won't be conquering any more territory? That's your thinking?
1) Negotiate peace deal
2) Abode by peace deal
Please note that the above steps are difficult to achieve if NATO really doesn't want peace other than a deal that destroys Russia.
Also even more difficult to achieve if Russia doesn't want peace, given that they are the ones doing the invasion.
Ukraine/ NATO could have facilitated the Istanbul Peace Accords, not end them. And they could have not run the 2014 coup and civil war. It appears in retrospect Ukraine / NATO had some military successes, their heads got big, and they decided to go forth to "weaken Russia". The bear mobilized, and we see the results. The West's stockpiles have apparently gone far lower (Scott Ritter claims we're cannibalizing Asian theater hardware, missile defense systems, etc), Patriot defense missiles are threadbare, while Russia appears unconstrained.
Ukraine apparently used operating funds for current military purchases, and likely graft, with three top officials stepping down, under investigation, in one month. NATO appears to be a paper tiger that became an offensive tool, not defensive.
sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:DaddyLegend said:
Can you get banned here for saying Trump is Putin's puppet?
Asking for all my friends here.
No.
But you'll likely be dismissed for believing nonsense.
Clearly Trump is FAR more beholden to Netanyahu, Miriam Adelson, the NeoCons, the Israel Lobby, the AI/Tech Bros, the PayPal Mafia, and Elon Musk than he is to Putin.
Trump is simply recognizing reality. The U.S. cannot defeat Russia, nor dislodge Putin. Any $$$ spent on the Ukraine War, or "defending Europe" is a waste.
Like it or not, the U.S. must learn to "get along with others" in order to survive. That includes Russia, China, and Iran.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned "puppet masters" cannot tolerate anything but U.S. Global Hegemony.
This is why they're discussing the use of nuclear weapons.
Idiots!
It's time to return control of U.S. foreign policy to the U.S. Sovereignty is important.
What's your thinking for how to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine?
Putin will stop attacking Ukraine when Ukraine & the U.S. & NATO stop attacking Russia, and stop arming Ukraine.
That's what Witkoff & Kushner will be telling Trump.
It's over.
Ah, more confident predictions. So your position is that the US should leave Ukraine and then Putin will just stop the war? Won't be conquering any more territory? That's your thinking?
cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:DaddyLegend said:
Can you get banned here for saying Trump is Putin's puppet?
Asking for all my friends here.
No.
But you'll likely be dismissed for believing nonsense.
Clearly Trump is FAR more beholden to Netanyahu, Miriam Adelson, the NeoCons, the Israel Lobby, the AI/Tech Bros, the PayPal Mafia, and Elon Musk than he is to Putin.
Trump is simply recognizing reality. The U.S. cannot defeat Russia, nor dislodge Putin. Any $$$ spent on the Ukraine War, or "defending Europe" is a waste.
Like it or not, the U.S. must learn to "get along with others" in order to survive. That includes Russia, China, and Iran.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned "puppet masters" cannot tolerate anything but U.S. Global Hegemony.
This is why they're discussing the use of nuclear weapons.
Idiots!
It's time to return control of U.S. foreign policy to the U.S. Sovereignty is important.
What's your thinking for how to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine?
Putin will stop attacking Ukraine when Ukraine & the U.S. & NATO stop attacking Russia, and stop arming Ukraine.
That's what Witkoff & Kushner will be telling Trump.
It's over.
Ah, more confident predictions. So your position is that the US should leave Ukraine and then Putin will just stop the war? Won't be conquering any more territory? That's your thinking?
Once U.S./NATO/Ukrainian aggression stops & there's no more threat to Russia, it's over. The SMO has been a purely defensive operation from the very beginning.
sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:DaddyLegend said:
Can you get banned here for saying Trump is Putin's puppet?
Asking for all my friends here.
No.
But you'll likely be dismissed for believing nonsense.
Clearly Trump is FAR more beholden to Netanyahu, Miriam Adelson, the NeoCons, the Israel Lobby, the AI/Tech Bros, the PayPal Mafia, and Elon Musk than he is to Putin.
Trump is simply recognizing reality. The U.S. cannot defeat Russia, nor dislodge Putin. Any $$$ spent on the Ukraine War, or "defending Europe" is a waste.
Like it or not, the U.S. must learn to "get along with others" in order to survive. That includes Russia, China, and Iran.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned "puppet masters" cannot tolerate anything but U.S. Global Hegemony.
This is why they're discussing the use of nuclear weapons.
Idiots!
It's time to return control of U.S. foreign policy to the U.S. Sovereignty is important.
What's your thinking for how to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine?
Putin will stop attacking Ukraine when Ukraine & the U.S. & NATO stop attacking Russia, and stop arming Ukraine.
That's what Witkoff & Kushner will be telling Trump.
It's over.
Ah, more confident predictions. So your position is that the US should leave Ukraine and then Putin will just stop the war? Won't be conquering any more territory? That's your thinking?
Once U.S./NATO/Ukrainian aggression stops & there's no more threat to Russia, it's over. The SMO has been a purely defensive operation from the very beginning.
A "defensive" operation that involves invading another country? Okay.
I think you are naively optimistic about Putin's motivations here (just like you were naively optimistic that he wouldn't invade Ukraine at all), but thanks for laying out your views at least. May as well get them on the record here.
cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:DaddyLegend said:
Can you get banned here for saying Trump is Putin's puppet?
Asking for all my friends here.
No.
But you'll likely be dismissed for believing nonsense.
Clearly Trump is FAR more beholden to Netanyahu, Miriam Adelson, the NeoCons, the Israel Lobby, the AI/Tech Bros, the PayPal Mafia, and Elon Musk than he is to Putin.
Trump is simply recognizing reality. The U.S. cannot defeat Russia, nor dislodge Putin. Any $$$ spent on the Ukraine War, or "defending Europe" is a waste.
Like it or not, the U.S. must learn to "get along with others" in order to survive. That includes Russia, China, and Iran.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned "puppet masters" cannot tolerate anything but U.S. Global Hegemony.
This is why they're discussing the use of nuclear weapons.
Idiots!
It's time to return control of U.S. foreign policy to the U.S. Sovereignty is important.
What's your thinking for how to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine?
Putin will stop attacking Ukraine when Ukraine & the U.S. & NATO stop attacking Russia, and stop arming Ukraine.
That's what Witkoff & Kushner will be telling Trump.
It's over.
Ah, more confident predictions. So your position is that the US should leave Ukraine and then Putin will just stop the war? Won't be conquering any more territory? That's your thinking?
Once U.S./NATO/Ukrainian aggression stops & there's no more threat to Russia, it's over. The SMO has been a purely defensive operation from the very beginning.
A "defensive" operation that involves invading another country? Okay.
I think you are naively optimistic about Putin's motivations here (just like you were naively optimistic that he wouldn't invade Ukraine at all), but thanks for laying out your views at least. May as well get them on the record here.
It's known as a "pre-emptive strike".
cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
sycasey said:cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.
DaddyLegend said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.
There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
sycasey said:DaddyLegend said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.
There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.
Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.
All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!
Russian settler brags about taking over homes of displaced Ukrainians. pic.twitter.com/MKOm5y0sEI
— UNITED24 Media (@United24media) September 11, 2026
movielover said:
Prime Minister Carney has injected himself into the Ukraine-Russia negotiations by stating his intention to ensure that Ukraine becomes a member of NATO.
Ukraine not becoming a NATO member state is a hardline for Russia. This is deeply engeained in the negotiations between the U.S.-led discussions with Russia and Ukraine. Carney is also aligned w Democrsts in wanting to diminish President Trump in the midterms.
sycasey said:
We must stop this Russian genocide of the Ukrainians.Russian settler brags about taking over homes of displaced Ukrainians. pic.twitter.com/MKOm5y0sEI
— UNITED24 Media (@United24media) September 11, 2026
Nazism is alive and well in Ukraine and is armed and funded by US/EU/NATO. But this embarrassing fact needs to be hidden from Western publics, so Israel and its lobby are being brought in to help with the whitewashing https://t.co/9vg24IfMan
— Ali Abunimah (@AliAbunimah) December 24, 2022

Aunburdened said:sycasey said:
We must stop this Russian genocide of the Ukrainians.Russian settler brags about taking over homes of displaced Ukrainians. pic.twitter.com/MKOm5y0sEI
— UNITED24 Media (@United24media) September 11, 2026
#1. Person who complains about tweets from Twitter randos posts video from Twitter rando that we can't check to see if it's a real person or someone with any sort of credibility.
#2. Proxy war supporter deeply concerned about Russian man in occupied territory, not concerned about actual Nazis (as opposed to the pretend Nazis his party talks about in the Republican Party).
🚨Thousands of Ukrainian civilians, including children and the elderly, are starving in the Russian-occupied Kherson region, including Oleshky/other settlements. Russia is responsible for this man-made famine.
— Zarina Zabrisky 🇺🇸🇺🇦 (@ZarinaZabrisky) September 11, 2026
The international community is silent.https://t.co/buTsztFkJY?
movielover said:
But the Euro elites seem to have that desire, at least NATO and their clueless leaders.
sycasey said:cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.
cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.
What do you think they've been doing with their drone strikes for the last few months?
Didn't Zelenskyy & the Ukrainian army go across the Russian border & grab territory near Kursk??
Why do you think they funded, armed, & trained the Neo-Nazi militias & brought them together to form the Ukrainian army? To hand out cookies?? NO. The purpose of the exercise was for Ukraine to engage with Russia militarily, in order to weaken Russia, with the ultimate purpose of either defeating Russia, or diminishing its ability to thrive & influence world affairs.
Why did the CIA set up 12 signals / intelligence bases in Eastern Ukraine, near Russia's border, soon after the 2014 Maidan Coup?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.
What do you think they've been doing with their drone strikes for the last few months?
Didn't Zelenskyy & the Ukrainian army go across the Russian border & grab territory near Kursk??
Why do you think they funded, armed, & trained the Neo-Nazi militias & brought them together to form the Ukrainian army? To hand out cookies?? NO. The purpose of the exercise was for Ukraine to engage with Russia militarily, in order to weaken Russia, with the ultimate purpose of either defeating Russia, or diminishing its ability to thrive & influence world affairs.
Why did the CIA set up 12 signals / intelligence bases in Eastern Ukraine, near Russia's border, soon after the 2014 Maidan Coup?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
Every one of these things happened as a response to a Russian incursion on Ukrainian territory, not before. The earlier ones came in response to Crimean annexation and Russia backing separatist groups in Eastern Ukraine to foment a civil war. The later ones came after Russia had already outright invaded the capital. You are blaming Ukraine for fighting back and for asking for help from the US, and saying that this justifies further Russian aggression.
Can't help but feel like this means you really just think that it's okay for Russia to take as much of Ukraine as they want. Is that your position? Honestly, everything you argue would be a lot more consistent if it was.
Aunburdened said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.
What do you think they've been doing with their drone strikes for the last few months?
Didn't Zelenskyy & the Ukrainian army go across the Russian border & grab territory near Kursk??
Why do you think they funded, armed, & trained the Neo-Nazi militias & brought them together to form the Ukrainian army? To hand out cookies?? NO. The purpose of the exercise was for Ukraine to engage with Russia militarily, in order to weaken Russia, with the ultimate purpose of either defeating Russia, or diminishing its ability to thrive & influence world affairs.
Why did the CIA set up 12 signals / intelligence bases in Eastern Ukraine, near Russia's border, soon after the 2014 Maidan Coup?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
Every one of these things happened as a response to a Russian incursion on Ukrainian territory, not before. The earlier ones came in response to Crimean annexation and Russia backing separatist groups in Eastern Ukraine to foment a civil war. The later ones came after Russia had already outright invaded the capital. You are blaming Ukraine for fighting back and for asking for help from the US, and saying that this justifies further Russian aggression.
Can't help but feel like this means you really just think that it's okay for Russia to take as much of Ukraine as they want. Is that your position? Honestly, everything you argue would be a lot more consistent if it was.
Your black and white view of Russia and Ukraine is honestly hilarious. It's so much easier to understand the situation when you stop thinking like a child in terms of trying to figure out who is the good guy.
sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.
What do you think they've been doing with their drone strikes for the last few months?
Didn't Zelenskyy & the Ukrainian army go across the Russian border & grab territory near Kursk??
Why do you think they funded, armed, & trained the Neo-Nazi militias & brought them together to form the Ukrainian army? To hand out cookies?? NO. The purpose of the exercise was for Ukraine to engage with Russia militarily, in order to weaken Russia, with the ultimate purpose of either defeating Russia, or diminishing its ability to thrive & influence world affairs.
Why did the CIA set up 12 signals / intelligence bases in Eastern Ukraine, near Russia's border, soon after the 2014 Maidan Coup?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
Every one of these things happened as a response to a Russian incursion on Ukrainian territory, not before. The earlier ones came in response to Crimean annexation and Russia backing separatist groups in Eastern Ukraine to foment a civil war. The later ones came after Russia had already outright invaded the capital. You are blaming Ukraine for fighting back and for asking for help from the US, and saying that this justifies further Russian aggression.
Can't help but feel like this means you really just think that it's okay for Russia to take as much of Ukraine as they want. Is that your position? Honestly, everything you argue would be a lot more consistent if it was.
Your black and white view of Russia and Ukraine is honestly hilarious. It's so much easier to understand the situation when you stop thinking like a child in terms of trying to figure out who is the good guy.
You are in here posting about how Ukrainians are Nazis and I'm the one with a black-and-white view? That's the truly hilarious thing here.
I'm talking about realities on the ground. Even if I accept your premise that everything here is America's or NATO's fault (I don't, but just for the sake of argument), the current reality is that Russia is attempting to overrun Ukraine and take away its sovereignty. My question is, how do you deal with that? Or do you not care? And if you don't care about this, why do you care so much about Palestine?
Cal88 said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.
What do you think they've been doing with their drone strikes for the last few months?
Didn't Zelenskyy & the Ukrainian army go across the Russian border & grab territory near Kursk??
Why do you think they funded, armed, & trained the Neo-Nazi militias & brought them together to form the Ukrainian army? To hand out cookies?? NO. The purpose of the exercise was for Ukraine to engage with Russia militarily, in order to weaken Russia, with the ultimate purpose of either defeating Russia, or diminishing its ability to thrive & influence world affairs.
Why did the CIA set up 12 signals / intelligence bases in Eastern Ukraine, near Russia's border, soon after the 2014 Maidan Coup?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
Every one of these things happened as a response to a Russian incursion on Ukrainian territory, not before. The earlier ones came in response to Crimean annexation and Russia backing separatist groups in Eastern Ukraine to foment a civil war. The later ones came after Russia had already outright invaded the capital. You are blaming Ukraine for fighting back and for asking for help from the US, and saying that this justifies further Russian aggression.
Can't help but feel like this means you really just think that it's okay for Russia to take as much of Ukraine as they want. Is that your position? Honestly, everything you argue would be a lot more consistent if it was.
Your black and white view of Russia and Ukraine is honestly hilarious. It's so much easier to understand the situation when you stop thinking like a child in terms of trying to figure out who is the good guy.
You are in here posting about how Ukrainians are Nazis and I'm the one with a black-and-white view? That's the truly hilarious thing here.
I'm talking about realities on the ground. Even if I accept your premise that everything here is America's or NATO's fault (I don't, but just for the sake of argument), the current reality is that Russia is attempting to overrun Ukraine and take away its sovereignty. My question is, how do you deal with that? Or do you not care? And if you don't care about this, why do you care so much about Palestine?
No comparison between this war and Palestine, for those who know the basic facts about the Ukraine war since 2014. Some of the main differences:
-Russia doesn't target civilians, Ukraine does, since the 2014 bombings of Donetsk and the Donbas. Around 2% of the war deaths in Ukraine were civilians, vs 80%-90% in Gaza.
-Russia is not motivated by territorial conquest, as proven by the Minsk and Istanbul accords. Russia held 20% of Ukraine in April 22, they could have held on to the Donbas and other territories but offered to withdraw completely from these territories (except Crimea) in exchange for Ukrainian neutrality and greater autonomy for the Donbas along the lines of the Scottish or Catalan model. Their primary motives are security (neutral neighbor) and the well-being of persecuted large Russian minority in Ukraine. They wanted a neutral Ukraine where the Russian minority is protected, similar to minorities in the rest of Europe. They view the Donbas war as a burden they would have rather solved through political means.
Where the two conflicts are similar is that both the Israelis and Kiev government espouse a dogma of ethno-racial superiority. Kiev pushes WW2 nazis as their founding fathers, and characterize Russians as racially inferior.
Twitter pacifists cry when Ukraine targets oil refineries and military infrastructure but don't say a word about this https://t.co/qzc6jV4xFV
— HotSotin 🇫🇮🇺🇦🇪🇺△ (@HotSotin) September 8, 2026
🚨 BREAKING: Russian forces attacked an ambulance with a drone in Kherson while its crew was transporting a patient.
— UNITED24 Media (@United24media) September 13, 2026
The vehicle was completely burned out, and two medical workers were injured. pic.twitter.com/xQEgijkYTk
Putin’s adviser calls on Russians to colonize Ukraine
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) September 4, 2026
“This is just depopulation, and only Russia can save this country. By the way, we already did this once, when these lands were annexed to Russia by Potemkin and Catherine — we resettled our population in Ukraine,” Anton… pic.twitter.com/oaBDs5Fyvw
Lavrov suggests Russia could renounce its 1991 recognition of Ukrainian independence.
— Russia Direct (@RussiaDirect) September 11, 2026
🔗 Source: https://t.co/3EEucPTEwz pic.twitter.com/eLny1QEgaT
sycasey said:Cal88 said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:sycasey said:cbbass1 said:
After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.
By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.
What do you think they've been doing with their drone strikes for the last few months?
Didn't Zelenskyy & the Ukrainian army go across the Russian border & grab territory near Kursk??
Why do you think they funded, armed, & trained the Neo-Nazi militias & brought them together to form the Ukrainian army? To hand out cookies?? NO. The purpose of the exercise was for Ukraine to engage with Russia militarily, in order to weaken Russia, with the ultimate purpose of either defeating Russia, or diminishing its ability to thrive & influence world affairs.
Why did the CIA set up 12 signals / intelligence bases in Eastern Ukraine, near Russia's border, soon after the 2014 Maidan Coup?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
Every one of these things happened as a response to a Russian incursion on Ukrainian territory, not before. The earlier ones came in response to Crimean annexation and Russia backing separatist groups in Eastern Ukraine to foment a civil war. The later ones came after Russia had already outright invaded the capital. You are blaming Ukraine for fighting back and for asking for help from the US, and saying that this justifies further Russian aggression.
Can't help but feel like this means you really just think that it's okay for Russia to take as much of Ukraine as they want. Is that your position? Honestly, everything you argue would be a lot more consistent if it was.
Your black and white view of Russia and Ukraine is honestly hilarious. It's so much easier to understand the situation when you stop thinking like a child in terms of trying to figure out who is the good guy.
You are in here posting about how Ukrainians are Nazis and I'm the one with a black-and-white view? That's the truly hilarious thing here.
I'm talking about realities on the ground. Even if I accept your premise that everything here is America's or NATO's fault (I don't, but just for the sake of argument), the current reality is that Russia is attempting to overrun Ukraine and take away its sovereignty. My question is, how do you deal with that? Or do you not care? And if you don't care about this, why do you care so much about Palestine?
No comparison between this war and Palestine, for those who know the basic facts about the Ukraine war since 2014. Some of the main differences:
-Russia doesn't target civilians, Ukraine does, since the 2014 bombings of Donetsk and the Donbas. Around 2% of the war deaths in Ukraine were civilians, vs 80%-90% in Gaza.
-Russia is not motivated by territorial conquest, as proven by the Minsk and Istanbul accords. Russia held 20% of Ukraine in April 22, they could have held on to the Donbas and other territories but offered to withdraw completely from these territories (except Crimea) in exchange for Ukrainian neutrality and greater autonomy for the Donbas along the lines of the Scottish or Catalan model. Their primary motives are security (neutral neighbor) and the well-being of persecuted large Russian minority in Ukraine. They wanted a neutral Ukraine where the Russian minority is protected, similar to minorities in the rest of Europe. They view the Donbas war as a burden they would have rather solved through political means.
Where the two conflicts are similar is that both the Israelis and Kiev government espouse a dogma of ethno-racial superiority. Kiev pushes WW2 nazis as their founding fathers, and characterize Russians as racially inferior.
1. Russia clearly does target civilians.Twitter pacifists cry when Ukraine targets oil refineries and military infrastructure but don't say a word about this https://t.co/qzc6jV4xFV
— HotSotin 🇫🇮🇺🇦🇪🇺△ (@HotSotin) September 8, 2026🚨 BREAKING: Russian forces attacked an ambulance with a drone in Kherson while its crew was transporting a patient.
— UNITED24 Media (@United24media) September 13, 2026
The vehicle was completely burned out, and two medical workers were injured. pic.twitter.com/xQEgijkYTk
2. Russia definitely is motivated by territorial conquest. In the most recent negotiations with the US envoys (Kushner/Witkoff), Putin demanded additional territory BEYOND what Russia now holds. That's a weird thing to do if you only care about "security." They want to colonize Ukraine.Putin’s adviser calls on Russians to colonize Ukraine
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) September 4, 2026
“This is just depopulation, and only Russia can save this country. By the way, we already did this once, when these lands were annexed to Russia by Potemkin and Catherine — we resettled our population in Ukraine,” Anton… pic.twitter.com/oaBDs5FyvwLavrov suggests Russia could renounce its 1991 recognition of Ukrainian independence.
— Russia Direct (@RussiaDirect) September 11, 2026
🔗 Source: https://t.co/3EEucPTEwz pic.twitter.com/eLny1QEgaT
Dont use ambulances to smuggle weapons .. pic.twitter.com/lSJvaWwHer
— REMI (@K50239030) September 13, 2026
Cal88 said:
1-Ukraine has long been using ambulances and other civilian vehicles and buildings for military purposes.
Cal88 said:
2- I believe those extra territories claimed by Russia are part of the 4 oblasts they have officially annexed, most notably the western bank of the Kherson oblast. They already hold most of the land in the other 3 oblasts annexed. They've made it clear that they could accept such an arrangement and no further territories annexed provided their main conditions of Ukraine neutrality and reform were met.
sycasey said:Cal88 said:
1-Ukraine has long been using ambulances and other civilian vehicles and buildings for military purposes.
Wow, this sounds exactly like Israel's justification for targeting civilian areas in Gaza. Yet you don't accept their explanations when they do it. I wonder why?
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Oh okay, Ukraine should just let them have whatever they say they annexed. And the next time when they say they annexed something else? I can't blame the Ukrainians or anyone else for not buying this.