The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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In reply to Cal88 • 1:53p, 6/2/26
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:


Prof. John Mearsheimer :

A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.

The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.

Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.

The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."

I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.

I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!


The Ukrainians signed on to Minsk, and all but ratified the Istanbul agreement, The Russians would agree to an Istanbul Plus type of agreement which would be a basis for a permanent settlement. The coalition that wants the war to go on to the last Ukrainian consisting of corrupt leaders in Kyiv, ultranationalists and NATO stands in the way.

You all are very confident about Russia holding to some kind of peace agreement when they think they have the advantage. I am not.
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In reply to sycasey • 6:41p, 6/2/26
sycasey said:
movielover said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:


Prof. John Mearsheimer :

A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.

The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.

Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.

The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."

I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.

I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!


Not really.

Yes, really.


Actually, the CIA was the aggressor. This is well known and documented.

Ukraine is now allegedly heavily recruiting women for its meat grinder "to the last man" suicide mission.

Much of the Russian public was already very supportive of the war, now moreso with the targeting of a women's dormitory. Several talking heads claim since NATO countries directly support Ukraine's attacks, but suffer no consequences, Russia may strike the Baltics or another prominent NATO member. Which may be crooked Zelensky's plan - to continue his thievery and retain power.
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In reply to movielover • 9:04p, 6/2/26
movielover said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:


Prof. John Mearsheimer :

A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.

The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.

Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.

The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."

I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.

I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!


Not really.

Yes, really.


Actually, the CIA was the aggressor. This is well known and documented.

The CIA did not invade anyone. Basically your argument here is that they "provoked" Russia into attacking. That is not the same as aggression. The attacker is the aggressor.
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In reply to sycasey • 9:33p, 6/2/26
sycasey said:
movielover said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:


Prof. John Mearsheimer :

A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.

The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.

Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.

The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."

I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.

I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!


Not really.

Yes, really.


Actually, the CIA was the aggressor. This is well known and documented.

The CIA did not invade anyone. Basically your argument here is that they "provoked" Russia into attacking. That is not the same as aggression. The attacker is the aggressor.


Civil War = aggression
Training Ukrainian Nazi's in Poland = aggression
Coup against a duly elected PM = aggression
Strangling their culture = aggression
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In reply to movielover • 9:41p, 6/2/26
That is some Grade A, 100% pure, Russian propaganda! Do you snort it or mainline it?
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In reply to Muckieeye • 10:39p, 6/2/26
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That is some Grade A, 100% pure, Russian propaganda! Do you snort it or mainline it?

Can he just slurp it up?
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In reply to sycasey • 4:58a, 6/3/26
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:


Prof. John Mearsheimer :

A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.

The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.

Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.

The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."

I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.

I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!


The Ukrainians signed on to Minsk, and all but ratified the Istanbul agreement, The Russians would agree to an Istanbul Plus type of agreement which would be a basis for a permanent settlement. The coalition that wants the war to go on to the last Ukrainian consisting of corrupt leaders in Kyiv, ultranationalists and NATO stands in the way.

You all are very confident about Russia holding to some kind of peace agreement when they think they have the advantage. I am not.


So you're saying you can't stop this war where Ukraine has been losing hundreds of thousands of men every year because there is a chance it might restart?
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In reply to Muckieeye • 8:48a, 6/3/26
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Big C said:
Muckieeye said:
That is some Grade A, 100% pure, Russian propaganda! Do you snort it or mainline it?

Can he just slurp it up?


Of course he can! But I chose not to use that word. An overly sensitive poster seems to be triggered by onomatopoeia.

had to look it up again this morning, thanks M..
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    9:24a, 6/3/26


    Translated from Spanish:

    "The moment when a bus full of Donetsk civilians was bombed tonight with drones of European origin by the Zelensky regime, killing 7 people and injuring another 11 who were on the vehicle.

    This is what the EU is funding, 90 billion euros in drones and missiles to kill families on a bus.

    Who gave permission to use taxpayers' money for bombs that kill innocents? So why do they call it democracy?"
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    9:34a, 6/3/26


    Translated from Spanish
    On June 2, 2014, Ukrainian warplanes launched 150 airstrikes over Luhansk, including on the regional government building, killing 8 people inside it and injuring at least 28 more.

    That day truly marked the beginning of the war in Ukraine, although there had been earlier battles at Donetsk airport; this bombing marked a before and after for the Donbass population, it was a point of no return.

    It was a massacre that should have shaken all of Europe, a regime bombing its own population just for refusing to accept the coup d'tat organized by the US/EU... yet they chose to look the other way and use Ukrainians as cannon fodder, all to destabilize and provoke the war against Russia."
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    In reply to Cal88 • 9:54a, 6/3/26
    New barage of missiles and drones into Ukraine, estimated at over 800 yesterday.

    Colonel Douglass MacGregor suggests Russia should take Odessa to bring reality to them, and a TASS article claims Russia doesn't know who to speak with for actual negotiations. Ukraine source claims much success with midrange drones.
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    In reply to movielover • 9:57a, 6/3/26
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    New barage of missiles and drones into Ukraine, estimated at over 800 yesterday.

    Colonel Douglass MacGregor suggests Russia should take Odessa to bring reality to them, and a TASS article claims Russia doesn't know who to speak with for actual negotiations. Ukraine source claims much success with midrange drones.


    Is this the part where we are supposed to shake our red white and blue pom poms and yell "Go team!"?
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    In reply to Cal88 • 10:19a, 6/3/26
    Cal88 said:
    sycasey said:
    Cal88 said:
    sycasey said:
    Cal88 said:


    Prof. John Mearsheimer :

    A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.

    The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.

    Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.

    The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."

    I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.

    I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!


    The Ukrainians signed on to Minsk, and all but ratified the Istanbul agreement, The Russians would agree to an Istanbul Plus type of agreement which would be a basis for a permanent settlement. The coalition that wants the war to go on to the last Ukrainian consisting of corrupt leaders in Kyiv, ultranationalists and NATO stands in the way.

    You all are very confident about Russia holding to some kind of peace agreement when they think they have the advantage. I am not.


    So you're saying you can't stop this war where Ukraine has been losing hundreds of thousands of men every year because there is a chance it might restart?

    I'm saying that only Russia can actually stop the war.
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    In reply to movielover • 10:20a, 6/3/26
    movielover said:
    sycasey said:
    movielover said:
    sycasey said:
    movielover said:
    sycasey said:
    Cal88 said:


    Prof. John Mearsheimer :

    A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.

    The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.

    Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.

    The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."

    I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.

    I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!


    Not really.

    Yes, really.


    Actually, the CIA was the aggressor. This is well known and documented.

    The CIA did not invade anyone. Basically your argument here is that they "provoked" Russia into attacking. That is not the same as aggression. The attacker is the aggressor.


    Civil War = aggression
    Training Ukrainian Nazi's in Poland = aggression
    Coup against a duly elected PM = aggression
    Strangling their culture = aggression

    Which of these things did the CIA actually do? Because it looks to me like most of these are internal Ukrainian issues. I don't deny that the US and/or NATO has tried to influence the direction of Ukraine's government, but then again . . . so has Russia. The civil war in particular was inflamed by Russian support.
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    In reply to sycasey • 10:57a, 6/3/26
    sycasey said:
    movielover said:
    sycasey said:
    movielover said:
    sycasey said:
    movielover said:
    sycasey said:
    Cal88 said:


    Prof. John Mearsheimer :

    A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.

    The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.

    Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.

    The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."

    I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.

    I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!


    Not really.

    Yes, really.


    Actually, the CIA was the aggressor. This is well known and documented.

    The CIA did not invade anyone. Basically your argument here is that they "provoked" Russia into attacking. That is not the same as aggression. The attacker is the aggressor.


    Civil War = aggression
    Training Ukrainian Nazi's in Poland = aggression
    Coup against a duly elected PM = aggression
    Strangling their culture = aggression

    Which of these things did the CIA actually do? Because it looks to me like most of these are internal Ukrainian issues. I don't deny that the US and/or NATO has tried to influence the direction of Ukraine's government, but then again . . . so has Russia. The civil war in particular was inflamed by Russian support.

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    In reply to Muckieeye • 11:05a, 6/3/26
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    IOIYR(ussian)

    sorry, i don't get it, which happens lots
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    In reply to smh • 11:11a, 6/3/26
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    Muckieeye said:
    It's OK If You're R(ussian)

    sorry, i don't get it, which happens lots
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    6:26a, 6/5/26
    Putin faces Ukraine drone threat and stagnating economy at 'Russian Davos' https://www.nbcnews.com/world/russia/putin-speech-st-petersburg-forum-ukraine-drones-economy-russia-davos-rcna348452
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    7:02a
    "Today Europe Is a Rabid Dog." Those were among the most controversial remarks made by former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter during a panel discussion at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF).

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