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The Five Big Questions facing Cal Football in 2025

August 8, 2025
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There’s never been a season more difficult to project during the Justin Wilcox era than this year.  On paper, a cakewalk of a schedule, a huge amount of staff and roster turnover with Cal’s best four offensive players leaving via the portal and four defensive stalwarts leaving for the NFL. One can easily see the staff being improved and a slew of solid, experienced if not hugely talented reinforcements joining the team leading the team to relative success. Regardless of how bullish or bearish one feels, there are five crucial questions that must be answered for the team to win 8+ regular season games.

The Questions:

1.). Justin Wilcox:   Is Cal going to get the very best Justin Wilcox, a coach who now has his most accomplished staff, with a new boss who understands football and wants him to succeed, and an opportunity to do what he does best as the de facto DC of the team?   He looked awfully relaxed this Spring, and a relaxed Coach Wilcox could well be a much better head coach.   

Or is he the Justin Wilcox we’ve seen for eight seasons?  A smart, high character teacher and leader who always seems to find a reason not to do all that is truly required to create a winning program.  Bad staff hires, not replacing coaches who are not succeeding in a timely manner, not pushing hard enough on the administration to get the support he needs, and in game coaching that too often seems to be about trying not to lose and never seeming to provide his team with enough passion and fire.   

The single biggest correlation of success in College Football is the head coach.  Justin’s resume suggests this team will finish between 5 and 7 wins despite the schedule. Has he grown and has the support around him, set him up for success? That’s the biggest question facing the 2025 Bears.

2.). Will Cal get solid Quarterback play?   You have to have it to win in college football and the Bears had good enough QB play in 2024 to do so yet it’s less clear heading into 2025. Devin Brown’s time in Ohio State suggests he’s not elite, but whether he’s solid is TBD.  His first Spring in Berkeley did not provide a clear answer.

True Freshman don’t often help teams win 9+ games, but it can happen and those that do often have resumes similar to JKS.  5 star recruiting accolades, a big arm, a poised demeanor and otherworld accuracy are often the traits needed for an 18 year old to make it happen in their first year in college.  And those are certainly part of Jaron Keawe Sagapolutele‍’s toolbox.  On the other hand, he played in a highly simplified high school offense and his fundamentals are awfully raw.

OC Bryan Harsin and Special Assistant Nick Rolovich have often been cited as QB whisperers and they will need to prove that’s true to get one or both of the above players to avoid bad mistakes, make the easy throws and when required make big plays.

3.) Will the offensive line make a big jump?   It’s not in the least a stretch to say that had Cal had simply average OL play in 2024, the team would have won 9 or more regular season games. The group was consistently bad, offering very few running lanes and giving up pressure, sacks and TFLs like they were a charitable organization for the betterment of opposing defenses.   

In 2025, the group has a dynamic young coach in Famika Anae who is coming off a tremendous year in New Mexico and a host of new players, almost all of whom were starters in the previous stops with a solid level of success.  There are some promising returners as well and this Spring, the unit looked improved, albeit with plenty of room still to grow.   

Given the offensive skill talent is not obviously in the top half of the ACC, the success of the offense is likely to come down to how well the OL plays. That’s particularly true given Bryan Harsin’s power running and vertical passing game background.

4.).  Is there enough top tier talent in the two deeps?  Over the past eight years, no one is going to mistake Cal’s roster for Ohio State’s or Alabama’s. That said, the transfer portal has been good for the Bears and a handful of home grown HS recruits have flourished.   Last year saw four Cal defensive players drafted and 2025 looked to be the season where something similar would happen on Offense as Mendoza, Endries and Ott were consensus projected 2026 draft selections.  Alas, those three along with three other talented offensive players (Thomas, Hunter and Martin) decided to take their talents elsewhere. The replenishments in this years portal are down a notch in terms of rankings and there’s a real question as to just how talented the 2025 version of the Bears will be.

Cal has plenty of players with impressive HS recruiting resumes on the roster and quite a few transfers with solid if not better production at the Group of 5 and FCS level.  Depth would appear to be a strength, yet the question remains whether there is enough top tier talent left for the Bears to take advantage of their schedule.

5.).  Can the Bears Special Teams stop being so “special”?

The last few seasons, no unit on the team has better embodied the notion of finding a way to lose more than Cal’s Special Teams group. While there have been aspects that have been solid including punting and last year, the Kickoff team, for the most part, this group has failed to do the easy and expected.

Placekicking has been particularly atrocious, and arguably cost Cal three games in 2024. That unit has clearly had talent and often pedigree, yet has not been able to find its confidence and consistency.   In 2025, Cal will have to break in a new longsnapper, punter, placekicker and KO specialist.   There are new sheriffs in town to lead the group including a new PK coach and that may well be the tonic the Bears need.

Given the caliber of opponent Cal will face and Wilcox’s propensity to play close games, the fate of the 2025 team could well come down to the effectiveness of its Special Teams play.

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The Five Big Questions facing Cal Football in 2025

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oskithepimp
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Sooo...we're gonna suck again. Cool.
Rushinbear
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jw is just a weak person. he show no assertiveness, but rather tentativeness. he speaks hesitantly rather than inspirationally. Who would go out and put it on the line for him? He probably has trouble with firing guys decisively. Anyone can see him expressing sorrow at letting anyone go. See him taking a coach aside and telling him point blank that he's not cutting it and that he's got to do this, this and that in these ways instead of what he's doing or not doing? He's not a leader; he's a smoother.

we've been over how he needs to leave his o coaches alone to do things they know better than he how to do. Hiring his friends hurts him.

Any of the 4 qb candidates can do the job with coaching left to do its job and authority to make tough decisions. What if EJ suddenly shows up? Will they be given the auth to make the call? We won't know about the rb's until we see them in games. One thing is obvious: they are bigger and stronger than the last guys, as befits a tough running game.

The OL will tell the tale. Anae is known as a tough guy who demands toughness and he has guys who are bigger and stronger than the last lot. If he's asked to teach ballet dancing and agrees to it, we're done, as is jw. Somehow, I don't think that will be the case.

The D will be good enough.

I'm still at 8-4.
TandemBear
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My five big questions for Cal Football:
1) Has Justin Wilcox earned generational wealth yet?
2) How many more years will Wilcox bilk the University for sub-par performance while further feathering his nest?
3) Will Cal Football soon be relegated to a Non-P4 Conference, thereby sealing its fate?
4) Will California Memorial Stadium debt ever be paid off?
5) How many millions is former AD Knowlton walking away with?
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TandemBear said:

My five big questions for Cal Football:
1) Has Justin Wilcox earned generational wealth yet?
2) How many more years will Wilcox bilk the University for sub-par performance while further feathering his nest?
3) Will Cal Football soon be relegated to a Non-P4 Conference, thereby sealing its fate?
4) Will California Memorial Stadium debt ever be paid off?
5) How many millions is former AD Knowlton walking away with?

1) yes
2) ?
3] already at the bottom of a plus 2 league
4] yes
5] fourish
calumnus
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TandemBear said:

My five big questions for Cal Football:
1) Has Justin Wilcox earned generational wealth yet?
2) How many more years will Wilcox bilk the University for sub-par performance while further feathering his nest?
3) Will Cal Football soon be relegated to a Non-P4 Conference, thereby sealing its fate?
4) Will California Memorial Stadium debt ever be paid off?
5) How many millions is former AD Knowlton walking away with?


1. Yes. However, he is single and doesn't have any children so he can spend it all (about $50 million from Cal alone) before he is done.
2. Including this year, 3 more years by contract. Whether he is the coaching the team while getting paid is a different question.
3. The problem is not being outside the P4, it is when the P4 officially becomes the P2.
4. This question won't be answered any time soon.
5. My guess is 4+ I think his contract had about 5.8 left depending on how much of 2025 he had received.
TandemBear
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Thanks for the replies.

I think I'm gonna puke.
Bobodeluxe
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TandemBear said:

Thanks for the replies.

I think I'm gonna puke.

Everybody puke now.

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calumnus
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TandemBear said:

Thanks for the replies.

I think I'm gonna puke.


Shockey posted as summary of Knowlton's separation documents. We will pay him $1.1 million per year through 2029 (so $4.4 million severance). He does have a "obligation to mitigate" which means "athletics related" employment, so if any school is dumb enough to hire him (and he were actually interviewing) that amount would be reduced….
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This is a good rundown, but it had one major tell in my opinion. That was this:

"He looked awfully relaxed this Spring, and a relaxed Coach Wilcox could well be a much better head coach."

I don't think in the history of football any 8 time loser coach has turned it around by relaxing more. That was a real stretch to find something to be a counterpoint to the "or will he be the same guy he has been for 8 years" and I suspect the author knows that.


This team may be better, but we've seen Wilcox long enough to know he is what he is.
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Rushinbear said:

jw is just a weak person. he show no assertiveness, but rather tentativeness. he speaks hesitantly rather than inspirationally. Who would go out and put it on the line for him? He probably has trouble with firing guys decisively. Anyone can see him expressing sorrow at letting anyone go. See him taking a coach aside and telling him point blank that he's not cutting it and that he's got to do this, this and that in these ways instead of what he's doing or not doing? He's not a leader; he's a smoother.

we've been over how he needs to leave his o coaches alone to do things they know better than he how to do. Hiring his friends hurts him.

Any of the 4 qb candidates can do the job with coaching left to do its job and authority to make tough decisions. What if EJ suddenly shows up? Will they be given the auth to make the call? We won't know about the rb's until we see them in games. One thing is obvious: they are bigger and stronger than the last guys, as befits a tough running game.

The OL will tell the tale. Anae is known as a tough guy who demands toughness and he has guys who are bigger and stronger than the last lot. If he's asked to teach ballet dancing and agrees to it, we're done, as is jw. Somehow, I don't think that will be the case.

The D will be good enough.

I'm still at 8-4.



See, my problem with 8-4 is it doesn't seem outlandish, but it also requires us to have the best conference record we have had in 16 years and I'm just not going to see that as likely until it happens.
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One probably shouldn't lead with "Is Cal going to get the very best Justin Wilcox" when it's year 9.
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Hope is not a strategy. Why has it taken nine seasons for Wilcox to get a competent Offensive coaching staff? (With the exception of the one Spavital season). Thankfully we now have a Chancellor who abhors incompetence and will make sure ADs demand results. There's no excuse for the past 16 years of losing conference records. Lyons will do all he can to create a successful football program. He actually likes the sport.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

This is a good rundown, but it had one major tell in my opinion. That was this:

"He looked awfully relaxed this Spring, and a relaxed Coach Wilcox could well be a much better head coach."

I don't think in the history of football any 8 time loser coach has turned it around by relaxing more. That was a real stretch to find something to be a counterpoint to the "or will he be the same guy he has been for 8 years" and I suspect the author knows that.


This team may be better, but we've seen Wilcox long enough to know he is what he is.
To me it's that quote combined with "never seeming to provide his team with enough passion and fire." That seems counterintuitive to simultaneously need more intensity while being more relaxed. You could make the argument that he's more relaxed because he has greater confidence in his staff this year and they're lighting a fire under the players or that the players are leading the charge on their own but benefit of the doubt is earned, not gifted.

I also think the schedule, while weak overall, has a couple sneaky tough matchups. Duke doesn't have a reputation as a good football school so some may overlook them but they're really tough this year. Minnesota hasn't been great in a long while but they're a dark horse that could push for the CFP this year. We're also not in a position to take anything for granted.

Overall I'm worried, we lost pretty much the whole secondary which was the strength of the team last year. We have a good track record there (outside of one year) so I assume it'll at least be pretty good. ILBs will be solid. I think the DL should be fine but outside pass rush could be fairly anemic this year. That plus losing all of our established skill players on O (TE, WRs, and RBs) and another new offensive system and staff and there are just too many questions to feel confident even with a soft schedule. 8 wins before the bowl game would be a good outcome in my eyes
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JeffMcd said:

Hope is not a strategy. Why has it taken nine seasons for Wilcox to get a competent Offensive coaching staff? (With the exception of the one Spavital season). Thankfully we now have a Chancellor who abhors incompetence and will make sure ADs demand results. There's no excuse for the past 16 years of losing conference records. Lyons will do all he can to create a successful football program. He actually likes the sport.


Lyons has already put himself on the record: 6 and 7 win seasons are NOT ACCEPTABLE anymore
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Bearly Clad said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

This is a good rundown, but it had one major tell in my opinion. That was this:

"He looked awfully relaxed this Spring, and a relaxed Coach Wilcox could well be a much better head coach."

I don't think in the history of football any 8 time loser coach has turned it around by relaxing more. That was a real stretch to find something to be a counterpoint to the "or will he be the same guy he has been for 8 years" and I suspect the author knows that.


This team may be better, but we've seen Wilcox long enough to know he is what he is.

To me it's that quote combined with "never seeming to provide his team with enough passion and fire." That seems counterintuitive to simultaneously need more intensity while being more relaxed. You could make the argument that he's more relaxed because he has greater confidence in his staff this year and they're lighting a fire under the players or that the players are leading the charge on their own but benefit of the doubt is earned, not gifted.

I also think the schedule, while weak overall, has a couple sneaky tough matchups. Duke doesn't have a reputation as a good football school so some may overlook them but they're really tough this year. Minnesota hasn't been great in a long while but they're a dark horse that could push for the CFP this year. We're also not in a position to take anything for granted.

Overall I'm worried, we lost pretty much the whole secondary which was the strength of the team last year. We have a good track record there (outside of one year) so I assume it'll at least be pretty good. ILBs will be solid. I think the DL should be fine but outside pass rush could be fairly anemic this year. That plus losing all of our established skill players on O (TE, WRs, and RBs) and another new offensive system and staff and there are just too many questions to feel confident even with a soft schedule. 8 wins before the bowl game would be a good outcome in my eyes

The schedule is massively easy in the sense that there are a whole bunch of middling teams and no really dominant team. If you are a slightly above mediocre program you could easily turn what should be an 8 win season into a 10 or 11 win season with this schedule. But if you are a 5 win team, you aren't necessarily going to see a big change by say, swapping out two 11 win teams with two 9 win teams.

If we are any good at all, we should win 8-10 games easy. I don't have confidence that we are any good.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

This is a good rundown, but it had one major tell in my opinion. That was this:

"He looked awfully relaxed this Spring, and a relaxed Coach Wilcox could well be a much better head coach."

I don't think in the history of football any 8 time loser coach has turned it around by relaxing more. That was a real stretch to find something to be a counterpoint to the "or will he be the same guy he has been for 8 years" and I suspect the author knows that.


This team may be better, but we've seen Wilcox long enough to know he is what he is.


Yes, I'm not sure how Wilcox is a question mark. He's been remarkably consistent.all these years.
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JeffMcd said:

Hope is not a strategy. Why has it taken nine seasons for Wilcox to get a competent Offensive coaching staff? (With the exception of the one Spavital season). Thankfully we now have a Chancellor who abhors incompetence and will make sure ADs demand results. There's no excuse for the past 16 years of losing conference records. Lyons will do all he can to create a successful football program. He actually likes the sport.

Spavital competent? He brought in and paid two QBs, Jackson V and Finley, who flamed out, so Spav was forced to play Mendoza who turned out to be pretty good (and improved greatly in 2024). I'll give Spav credit for Davis Webb's only Cal season, but nothing else.

EDIT - BTW, anybody want to bet that Chandler Rogers got a larger NIL payment than Mendoza? Yeah, yeah, free market. But it's one thing to bring in a competitor for your slot, and it's another to also pay him more. That may have been the point where Mendoza's loyalty to Cal started to waver.
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GivemTheAxe said:

JeffMcd said:

Hope is not a strategy. Why has it taken nine seasons for Wilcox to get a competent Offensive coaching staff? (With the exception of the one Spavital season). Thankfully we now have a Chancellor who abhors incompetence and will make sure ADs demand results. There's no excuse for the past 16 years of losing conference records. Lyons will do all he can to create a successful football program. He actually likes the sport.


Lyons has already put himself on the record: 6 and 7 win seasons are NOT ACCEPTABLE anymore

Yeah, except multiple chancellors have come in making big noise that we are striving for championships, something I have very much noted has been dropped from the messaging in recent years. And no actions were taken. No offense, but it is easy to say things. It is not easy to achieve things. Early comments on Christ were that she gets it and was going to turn things around and the program is possibly at its least healthy point in my lifetime.

Hiring Rivera was good. His botched messaging and massive delay in fixing the botched messaging, the protest that ensued, and the national coverage that ensued was like chopping off an arm and watching the person bleed out and putting on the tourniquet at the last possible second.

And if 6 and 7 win seasons are not acceptable, we have a coach who has failed to meet even that standard 4 times out of 8, and has only passed not acceptable 1 time in eight years, barely, winning 8 games once. Lyons had the opportunity to end that unacceptable situation and he didn't. And I know some of you are going to say he wasn't here long enough, he had other things to do, he didn't want Knowlton hiring the next guy or a bunch of other excuses for not taking decisive action, but the bottom line is he chose not to take decisive action, but instead chose to buy a truckload of lipstick to slap on the same old pig. If 6 and 7 win seasons were truly not acceptable Wilcox would be gone. Or is this like the tv show Barry where we are going to stop murdering the football program now...okay, now...okay, now...okay, now.

In any case, genuine good intentions or not, words and effort stopped meaning anything a long time ago. We'll know 6 and 7 win seasons are not acceptable when they actually stop.
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Mine is can the program show signs of building a connection with modern Cal students?

I know a minority position on this board but College football first and foremost is for THEM. Not us. THEM. And if the program is not connecting with them (or at least showing life that it is) then I know I want the university to think about that.

I GET that Cal football matters a great deal to this board, to alumni that grew up in a frankly different California than the state that currently exists and a sports culture that wasn't dominanted by player movement and the ability to stream any game from any sport at any time. I want the program to succeed but my metric is students in the stands even with a "meh" Wilcox season cause they are at schools which can definitely show a stronger connection between football and the student experience even when the team is winning just 5 or 6 games.
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calumnus said:

TandemBear said:

Thanks for the replies.

I think I'm gonna puke.


Shockey posted as summary of Knowlton's separation documents. We will pay him $1.1 million per year through 2029 (so $4.4 million severance). He does have a "obligation to mitigate" which means "athletics related" employment, so if any school is dumb enough to hire him (and he were actually interviewing) that amount would be reduced….

Thanks. Now I'm contemplating suicide.

Jesus, Cal got taken for ANOTHER ride. How do you go from $1.3M salary to $1.1M for being fired... oops, "retired?" OMG what a grift!

If THIS is how AD programs are really run, then maybe it should be shut down. This is insane.
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socaltownie said:

Mine is can the program show signs of building a connection with modern Cal students?

I know a minority position on this board but College football first and foremost is for THEM. Not us. THEM. And if the program is not connecting with them (or at least showing life that it is) then I know I want the university to think about that.

I GET that Cal football matters a great deal to this board, to alumni that grew up in a frankly different California than the state that currently exists and a sports culture that wasn't dominanted by player movement and the ability to stream any game from any sport at any time. I want the program to succeed but my metric is students in the stands even with a "meh" Wilcox season cause they are at schools which can definitely show a stronger connection between football and the student experience even when the team is winning just 5 or 6 games.

College football is OBVIOUSLY not for THEM, the fans or players. It exists for the admins. AD admins, coaches, and media execs. They're walking away with all the cash. The players - all unpaid for decades and decades, have been funding these grifters the whole time.
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" The single biggest correlation of success in College Football is the head coach. Justin's resume suggests this team will finish between 5 and 7 wins despite the schedule. Has he grown and has the support around him, set him up for success? That's the biggest question facing the 2025 Bears."

Well this I completely disagree with. The biggest correlation of success in college football is the commitment of the institution (longer discussion about that why) of the institution to winning. That commitment is seen in many small and little things. Coaching _CAN_ create horrible outcomes (see slick Rick and Keith Gilbertson) but see how Huskie football righted itself because of the commitment of that institution and community to Udub football.

Now on the MARGINS coaching matters. I think the Wilcox is a high floor/low ceiling guy. He keeps most games close enough that Cal is in them but because of program failures we probably bat about .400 (if I ever have time I want to look at Wilcox record in games decided by 8 or less points to see if I am right). A better coach (with likely a bigger variance) might get over some humps. But until (positive signs with Ron but my goodness some existential threats to the un iversity) Cal is "all in" on football so much of this board is whistling at the 7 win graveyard.
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TandemBear said:

calumnus said:

TandemBear said:

Thanks for the replies.

I think I'm gonna puke.


Shockey posted as summary of Knowlton's separation documents. We will pay him $1.1 million per year through 2029 (so $4.4 million severance). He does have a "obligation to mitigate" which means "athletics related" employment, so if any school is dumb enough to hire him (and he were actually interviewing) that amount would be reduced….

Thanks. Now I'm contemplating suicide.

Jesus, Cal got taken for ANOTHER ride. How do you go from $1.3M salary to $1.1M for being fired... oops, "retired?" OMG what a grift!

If THIS is how AD programs are really run, then maybe it should be shut down. This is insane.


Thats why a new AD has not been hired. The Colonel collecting tdy pay
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socaltownie said:

Mine is can the program show signs of building a connection with modern Cal students?

I know a minority position on this board but College football first and foremost is for THEM. Not us. THEM. And if the program is not connecting with them (or at least showing life that it is) then I know I want the university to think about that.

I GET that Cal football matters a great deal to this board, to alumni that grew up in a frankly different California than the state that currently exists and a sports culture that wasn't dominanted by player movement and the ability to stream any game from any sport at any time. I want the program to succeed but my metric is students in the stands even with a "meh" Wilcox season cause they are at schools which can definitely show a stronger connection between football and the student experience even when the team is winning just 5 or 6 games.

Well if the team continues to win just 5 or 6 games you will get you wish of non P4 football. If the program continues to even exist it will be played before very few fans featuring home matchups with Montana St and Eastern Washington as possible conference opponents.

Do you really think that hightens the "student experience"?

The alums and donors are doing what they can to boost the program to relevance. Lets bring back Carol Christ as Chancellor and have poetry readings during game stoppages.
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TandemBear said:

socaltownie said:

Mine is can the program show signs of building a connection with modern Cal students?

I know a minority position on this board but College football first and foremost is for THEM. Not us. THEM. And if the program is not connecting with them (or at least showing life that it is) then I know I want the university to think about that.

I GET that Cal football matters a great deal to this board, to alumni that grew up in a frankly different California than the state that currently exists and a sports culture that wasn't dominanted by player movement and the ability to stream any game from any sport at any time. I want the program to succeed but my metric is students in the stands even with a "meh" Wilcox season cause they are at schools which can definitely show a stronger connection between football and the student experience even when the team is winning just 5 or 6 games.

College football is OBVIOUSLY not for THEM, the fans or players. It exists for the admins. AD admins, coaches, and media execs. They're walking away with all the cash. The players - all unpaid for decades and decades, have been funding these grifters the whole time.

Maybe. I think if just this it would have gotten blown up long ago. I think ego fueled alumni matter a great deal and that university leadership, usually around for 4 or 5 years, just has no incentive to pull the plug or look deeply. Thus like Gatsby we beat ever onward, borne ceasely into the past ;-)
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6956bear said:

socaltownie said:

Mine is can the program show signs of building a connection with modern Cal students?

I know a minority position on this board but College football first and foremost is for THEM. Not us. THEM. And if the program is not connecting with them (or at least showing life that it is) then I know I want the university to think about that.

I GET that Cal football matters a great deal to this board, to alumni that grew up in a frankly different California than the state that currently exists and a sports culture that wasn't dominanted by player movement and the ability to stream any game from any sport at any time. I want the program to succeed but my metric is students in the stands even with a "meh" Wilcox season cause they are at schools which can definitely show a stronger connection between football and the student experience even when the team is winning just 5 or 6 games.

Well if the team continues to win just 5 or 6 games you will get you wish of non P4 football. If the program continues to even exist it will be played before very few fans featuring home matchups with Montana St and Eastern Washington as possible conference opponents.

Do you really think that hightens the "student experience"?

The alums and donors are doing what they can to boost the program to relevance. Lets bring back Carol Christ as Chancellor and have poetry readings during game stoppages.

I think this is, respectfully, myopic. UCI and UCSD have reasonable student experiences. I might argue they have aspects are better than cal's.

Having a son who will be a sophomore has been instrumentally instructive as to how Cal has changed.

It isn't even that Cal is admissions competitive. It is that COMBINED with how the state has changed (for more immigrants and kids of immigrants with limited connection to football), how they are much more transactional in respect to college (not going to "find themselves" but credentialing for careers that are highly competitive) and a broadening of social networks and affinity interests unheard of before IT allowed students to connect on the most obscure common interests.

You bring up Eastern Montana. I don't think that is really the comparison. It is Wake versu Cal Poly. Yes, alumni members of team relevance will turn up its nose at the Mustangs and not show up (at least to start). But it is dirt cheap to get STUDENTS as many of them will have high school classmates at Cal Poly - far more in fact than are going to Wake (I bet there are <100 California kids in their entire incoming class). You could organize weekend bus trips and reunions. Again, instructive that a huge thing my son's friends do from HS is organize parties with the kids at Furd, Cal, and UoP that all went to the same highchool. Never in a million years for my generation but common for his - again faciliated with tools we didn't have at the time.

BTW - for real data about 8K average attendance at Cal Poly. About 10K at UC Davis. I am not sure that doesn't work for the MODERN Cal.

PS. I just want to underscore this. Back in the "ancient 80s" to coordinate with even my HIGH school friends at Cal would have taken an uber phone tree and a ton of effort. Now? Just set up a discord channel and interaction is easy as a return key. That is a small part of the change but it really does mean you can have and build friendships without joining a greek house and going on Saturday afternoon to meet people at CMS.
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For an effective offense, we need a strong offensive line. I am not sure if we have ever had that under Wilcox. We have watched our quarterbacks getting blown up the last few years and our running backs tackled in the backfield. Hoping this year will be different.
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Grrrrah76 said:

For an effective offense, we need a strong offensive line. I am not sure if we have ever had that under Wilcox. We have watched our quarterbacks getting blown up the last few years and our running backs tackled in the backfield. Hoping this year will be different.


We sometimes have decent linemen but half are always injured before the season starts. Also no depth.
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
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socaltownie said:

Mine is can the program show signs of building a connection with modern Cal students?

I know a minority position on this board but College football first and foremost is for THEM. Not us. THEM. And if the program is not connecting with them (or at least showing life that it is) then I know I want the university to think about that.

I GET that Cal football matters a great deal to this board, to alumni that grew up in a frankly different California than the state that currently exists and a sports culture that wasn't dominanted by player movement and the ability to stream any game from any sport at any time. I want the program to succeed but my metric is students in the stands even with a "meh" Wilcox season cause they are at schools which can definitely show a stronger connection between football and the student experience even when the team is winning just 5 or 6 games.

I'm skeptical that Cal athletics can build a connection with its modern students, in fact they haven't had a real connection since . . . before my time as a Cal student. I'm a 1976 grad who lived in the Northside Co-ops and back then, I knew less than a dozen kids who went to Cal athletics events. Since that time, Cal has become a super-selective institution and does not generally attract/admit the kinds of students who have time for a connection to Cal football or any athletic program. The kids who spend all of high school focused on their GPA and participating in extra-curriculars themselves don't go to their high school's football games. They're either playing on a different school team and/or a club team, or they just don't care about sports. This was certainly true for my two millennial kids, who didn't go to Cal, but fit the general profile. Californians in general, and Cal students today, are doers, not watchers.
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Grrrrah76 said:

For an effective offense, we need a strong offensive line. I am not sure if we have ever had that under Wilcox. We have watched our quarterbacks getting blown up the last few years and our running backs tackled in the backfield. Hoping this year will be different.

We had an effective offense in 2015, 2016 and 2023 when we ran Air Raid and no one thought the line was great. Well maybe people thought we did in 2023, but then everyone thought the same players were terrible in the bowl game and in 2024 when Bloesch was doing the play calling.

For Harsin's (Peterson's) old "pro-style" offense (power running and vertical passing), we need a strong (relative to the opposition) offensive line. And good talent at the skill positions. He had that at Boise State relative to the MWC. He was not able to do that at Auburn, even with a junior Bo Nix at QB. Then Bo Nix joined the exodus and they got ever worse.

We saw the same with Musgrave. Trying to make Garbers stand in the pocket and go through progressions. Then Plummer take sack after sack, with everyone saying you need a great line to be good…. It really depends a lot on the offense you are running, but yes, Harsin needs a good OL.

The difference <could> be that we are in the ACC instead of the PAC-12, with a relatively weak ACC schedule. We do have bigger guys this year at OL. We have guys who did well at lower levels and/or weren't able to get it done at higher levels and all have something to prove. That is the hope, but I would not bet on that. We will see soon enough.
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JeffMcd said:

Hope is not a strategy. Why has it taken nine seasons for Wilcox to get a competent Offensive coaching staff? (With the exception of the one Spavital season). Thankfully we now have a Chancellor who abhors incompetence and will make sure ADs demand results. There's no excuse for the past 16 years of losing conference records. Lyons will do all he can to create a successful football program. He actually likes the sport.

How can you say that about lyons considering who he put in charge of the athkpletic dept
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