Unit2Sucks said:

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Republicans blame Democrats for crime but new data shows higher murder rates in red states | Salon.com


https://www.salon.com/2022/03/16/democrats-for--but-new-data-shows-higher-rates-in-red-states/

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Don't forget how opioids ravaged rural America, notably not run by democrats. It's almost as if politicians aren't responsible for every single thing that happens in our country.

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That was big pharma, who has the FDA and politicians in their pocket.

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Republicans blame Democrats for crime but new data shows higher murder rates in red states | Salon.com


https://www.salon.com/2022/03/16/democrats-for--but-new-data-shows-higher-rates-in-red-states/

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Don't forget how opioids ravaged rural America, notably not run by democrats. It's almost as if politicians aren't responsible for every single thing that happens in our country.

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That was big pharma, who has the FDA and politicians in their pocket.

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Yes Big Pharma was behind the black tar heroin coming in from Mexico and the fentanyl coming in from China. Fire Fauci!!!1!1!11!!

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Republicans blame Democrats for crime but new data shows higher murder rates in red states | Salon.com


https://www.salon.com/2022/03/16/democrats-for--but-new-data-shows-higher-rates-in-red-states/

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Don't forget how opioids ravaged rural America, notably not run by democrats. It's almost as if politicians aren't responsible for every single thing that happens in our country.

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That was big pharma, who has the FDA and politicians in their pocket.

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Yes Big Pharma was behind the black tar heroin coming in from Mexico and the fentanyl coming in from China. Fire Fauci!!!1!1!11!!

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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02686-2

Tracing the US opioid crisis to its roots

Get a hold of yourself.

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Republicans blame Democrats for crime but new data shows higher murder rates in red states | Salon.com


https://www.salon.com/2022/03/16/democrats-for--but-new-data-shows-higher-rates-in-red-states/

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Don't forget how opioids ravaged rural America, notably not run by democrats. It's almost as if politicians aren't responsible for every single thing that happens in our country.

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That was big pharma, who has the FDA and politicians in their pocket.

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Yes Big Pharma was behind the black tar heroin coming in from Mexico and the fentanyl coming in from China. Fire Fauci!!!1!1!11!!

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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02686-2

Tracing the US opioid crisis to its roots

Get a hold of yourself.

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A lot of rural loser drug addicts are big pharma hesitant and prefer proven traditional narcotic technologies. Fire Fauci!!!1!1!

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I highly recommend reading what this man who has worked with the homeless has to say about it:

https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/my-moment-in-the-spotlight?s=r

I am on a nonprofit board of an entity working hard to help people up and out of substance abuse and homelessness and his analysis and suggestions have been borne out in our experience.

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This article is light on substance and is mostly an ad for his book. What are the highlights of his approach?

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Skip down a bit and there is a detailed interview with the author about his work with the homeless, how he saw that present approaches were not working and how he studied the problem and other countries and identified methods that are more successful:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/10/27/former-soros-activist-explains-how-progressive-policies-ruined-san-francisco/

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Okay, that was an interesting read, thanks for that. I don't heavily disagree with any of his proposals, though I don't claim to be an expert on the matter.

Seems like the political problem in dealing with homelessness/drug addiction/etc. stems from regional polarization. Republicans just don't contest major urban cities anymore, preferring to snipe from the sidelines at the problems therein rather than offer solutions. That leaves Democrats with single-party rule, which means that to some extent they get captured by their more extreme flank (though as we saw with things like the SF School Board recall, there are still limits to that). I would argue we see the same thing in rural areas, only there it's single-party Republican rule being captured by their extreme flank.

He talks about Gavin Newsom not being the right leader for this. Maybe not, but when his top competition was John Cox and then Larry Elder (two men who have never held any elected office anywhere), how else would you expect Californians to vote?

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Sorry but this is ridiculous. Whoever runs that beautiful city is responsible. In this case those are democrats. If it were republicans I would say so but that is not the case. It is my hope they find a way to get this fixed. Blaming someone else is a joke.

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As the article notes, a lot of current homelessness problems can be traced back to drug addiction. Plenty of drug addiction got started in rural areas ruled by Republicans. It is a global/national problem and can't all be blamed on the cities in which it most visibly manifests.

Has anyone here studied(boots on the ground) the homeless situation? Or scientific charity or vagrancy laws ?

Drugs and mental illness are NOT he major cause of and never have been. Of course if you have no shelter drinking is the way to stay warm…
That is the unfounded/no empirical evidence propaganda to shift blame and responsibility on the individual instead of the system of capitalism operating correctly as it does.

Poverty is a functional pillar of capitalism!!!
Other wise people don't feel that have to work jobs to barely survive. That is obviously a no go for businesses survival.

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Republicans blame Democrats for crime but new data shows higher murder rates in red states | Salon.com


https://www.salon.com/2022/03/16/democrats-for--but-new-data-shows-higher-rates-in-red-states/

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Don't forget how opioids ravaged rural America, notably not run by democrats. It's almost as if politicians aren't responsible for every single thing that happens in our country.

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OR, as the GQP snowflakes put it: Only Democrat politicians are responsible for every single bad thing that happens in our country.

I think our resident village idiot puts it this way:
"Duuuuuuh, libruls break everything they touch. Heh heh lolz." <insert dope meme and/or Poso tweet here>

going4roses said:

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Has anyone here studied(boots on the ground) the homeless situation? Or scientific charity or vagrancy laws ?

Drugs and mental illness are NOT he major cause of and never have been. Of course if you have no shelter drinking is the way to stay warm…
That is the unfounded/no empirical evidence propaganda to shift blame and responsibility on the individual instead of the system of capitalism operating correctly as it does.

Poverty is a functional pillar of capitalism!!!
Other wise people don't feel that have to work jobs to barely survive. That is obviously a no go for businesses survival.

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I'm sure homelessness as a phenomenon has many contributing factors. This site is interesting:

https://nationalhomeless.org/about-homelessness/

Under "Types of Homelessness" they note that transitional homelessness tends to be due to poverty (people who have fallen on hard times and need to get back on their feet), but CHRONIC homelessness tends to be tied to addiction and substance abuse. They say it's a smaller number, but also the group most likely to stay on the street once they're there.

So it appears that it's complicated, what a surprise.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Film-crew-robbed-at-gunpoint-at-SF-Twin-Peaks-17033647.php

🚨 Another robbery caught on video. 3 Canadian filmmakers were robbed in broad daylight for over $35,000 dollars worth of equipment at gunpoint at Twin Peaks in #SanFrancisco. They lost a lot of footage and videos they captured. #SF #bayarea pic.twitter.com/feHB2FE17E

— Jackfroot (@jackfrootnews) March 27, 2022

Very Informative thread

THREAD: There’s a lot of talk right now about crime in San Francisco. Almost everything you’ll read in the mainstream press is wrong. I live in the Tenderloin and work in the courts every day. Here’s my take on what’s happening and why.

— Peter Calloway (@petercalloway) April 1, 2022

APRIL FOOL'S

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Very Informative thread

THREAD: There’s a lot of talk right now about crime in San Francisco. Almost everything you’ll read in the mainstream press is wrong. I live in the Tenderloin and work in the courts every day. Here’s my take on what’s happening and why.

— Peter Calloway (@petercalloway) April 1, 2022

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28 rapes in a 10 block area of only 25,000 people is a lot. Property crimes up significantly. Nothing to brag about here. Many California cities are in the bottom 3% of Neighborhood Scout's safest places to live.

This might cut down of theft...

https://www.protoolreviews.com/home-depot-reduces-theft-by-closing-all-physical-stores-goes-online-only/

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Last refuge of the fooled:

"Oh, I KNEW it was an April Fool's joke! I was. . . uh. . . playing along. I'm not stupid or anything. "

As for contributing nothing to this board? You would know all about that. Might say you're an expert at contributing nothing to this board.

Edit: And don't worry: I won't run to BearGreg like a snowflake *****bag righty because you called me a name. Your opinion of me is meaningless beyond your mom's basement or wherever you are.

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If by running to BearGreg you mean flagging your post as Hateful, I just did so. You are a very hateful person to anyone who opposes your views. This board isn't your echo chamber.

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Wow. You RWNJ Clowns fall for every April Fools joke you come across.

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With all due respect, I believe that this is the 2nd time that Going4Roses has "unknowingly" posted an APRIL FOOL's post.

The previous one was when he posted something from the Mayor of Emeryville yesterday about how he was going to ban traffic on all city streets.

Poor reading comprehension, perhaps?

https://evilleeye.com/news-commentary/emeryville-council-mulls-complete-parking-car-ban/

going4roses said:

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Very Informative thread

THREAD: There’s a lot of talk right now about crime in San Francisco. Almost everything you’ll read in the mainstream press is wrong. I live in the Tenderloin and work in the courts every day. Here’s my take on what’s happening and why.

— Peter Calloway (@petercalloway) April 1, 2022

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SF just needs someone who's "tough" on crime like the DA in Sacramento.

Let me see if I can find any info on how that's going.

Sacramento has an "old school" "law and order" district attorney. She leverages all the "tough on crime" tactics (gang enhancements, three strikes, etc.) She is everything that the recall-Boudin folks seem to want in San Francisco. And yet ... /1

— Josh Kalven (@kalven) March 7, 2022

They have the 10th highest rate of retail theft of any city in the U.S. https://t.co/erByR70fNE /3

— Josh Kalven (@kalven) March 7, 2022

They're struggling with rising homelessness. https://t.co/q7HISJb4Fk /5

— Josh Kalven (@kalven) March 7, 2022

And let's check on the apparent bellwether of a local criminal justice system ... yep, chain drugstores are closing in downtown Sac (to be clear, it's happening all over the country, for reasons that have nothing to do with crime) /7 https://t.co/QmCkaU15KP

— Josh Kalven (@kalven) March 7, 2022

For one, she's cozy with the police union and has never pressed charges against a cop for excessive force. You can be sure Sac police aren't erroneously telling victims they're hamstrung by the DA (as they started doing in SF as soon as Boudin took office) /9

— Josh Kalven (@kalven) March 7, 2022

There is more for anyone who wants to keep reading the thread.

This billboard in San Francisco is calling out the city’s drug crisis.

“Famous the world over for our brains, beauty and, now, dirt-cheap fentanyl.”

The group “Mothers Against Drug Deaths” is behind the campaign. Billboards starting Monday in Union Square. pic.twitter.com/LE1xtwqfl4

— Election Wizard 🇺🇸 (@ElectionWiz) April 6, 2022

The George Floyd drug is made in China and flowing into the country through our southern border. More young people are dying from drug overdose than Covid. Mask up.

Drug = cause of death = murdering racist pigs

Fixed it for you

https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/4-Suspects-Arrested-For-Robberies-Including-One-17076457.php

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/17-LA-gangs-have-sent-out-crews-to-follow-and-rob-17076319.php

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Drug = cause of death = murdering racist pigs

Fixed it for you

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George Floyd died with fentanyl in his system. Hunter Biden is still alive.

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going4roses said:

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Drug = cause of death = murdering racist pigs

Fixed it for you

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George Floyd died with fentanyl in his system. Hunter Biden is still alive.

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Police are nothing more than a murdering terrorist occupying force. Remember slave patrols ?

What are the similarities between these two issues?

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Drug = cause of death = murdering racist pigs

Fixed it for you

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George Floyd died with fentanyl in his system. Hunter Biden is still alive.

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Police are nothing more than a murdering terrorist occupying force. Remember slave patrols ?

What are the similarities between these two issues?

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Is this a cry for help? Were you born in the 1840s and travelled time? What the heck is up with this post? Does the local police dept do any community outreach? I recommend attending such and having some personal interaction. Perhaps, you each can better understand each other afterward.

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The City of San Francisco has a $12 Billion Dollar Budget.

That's BILLION with a "B".

$600 Million is spent on the Homeless.

And yet there is surging crime, 74 car break-ins per day leads the nation for Metro areas.
And there are 80 complaints of feces per day.

And 1,400 people have died from drug overdoses in the last year.

Apparently, throwing money at these problems hasnt been the answer.

Saving San Francisco: Investigative Series NBC Bay Area

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+12 Billion!

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That's nothing.
NYC has a $98.5 BILLION Budget.

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Yes, and NYC has a population of 18,867,000, while San Francisco's population is 884,108. So NYC's Democrats run their city, a city of 21X the population of San Francisco, with only 8X the budget of San Francisco. We San Franciscans should import some of those NYC Democrat politicians to run our town. They would not likely do anything much about saving our city either, but at least it wouldn't cost us residents so much every year. San Francisco voters just keep electing the same grifters, election after election. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

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The City of San Francisco has a $12 Billion Dollar Budget.

That's BILLION with a "B".

$600 Million is spent on the Homeless.

And yet there is surging crime, 74 car break-ins per day leads the nation for Metro areas.
And there are 80 complaints of feces per day.

And 1,400 people have died from drug overdoses in the last year.

Apparently, throwing money at these problems hasnt been the answer.

Saving San Francisco: Investigative Series NBC Bay Area

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+12 Billion!

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That's nothing.
NYC has a $98.5 BILLION Budget.

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Yes, and NYC has a population of 18,867,000, while San Francisco's population is 884,108. So NYC's Democrats run their city, a city of 21X the population of San Francisco, with only 8X the budget of San Francisco.

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NYC doesn't have anywhere close to 19 million people. The entire state of New York is barely that large. One thing that makes the comparison hard is that the city budget doesn't just scale with the number of residents but must take into account workers, tourists and other "users." That's true for both NYC and SF and since each are cornerstones of larger metro areas, they have similar features but it's harder to judge the multiplier impact and how that might affect the budget.

I do suspect that going forward SF downtown will be harder hit by the lasting WFH impact of COVID as opposed to NYC so it's going to be an interesting few years, particularly budget wise. When I talk to people in NYC, there is much more of a back to the office sentiment and more of the services businesses that cater to office workers are intact. When I go to the financial district in SF, it's still very much underutilized and it's hard to imagine that restaurants, etc. that used to make a living serving office workers will be able to do so for the next few years. Maybe that will change, I don't know, but right now it looks rough.

To be clear, I don't think this really has anything to do with politics. Technology businesses are more conducive to WFH and we obviously have a higher contribution of those businesses here than anywhere else. I don't think that can be solved by government policy. The city survived the dotcom crash so maybe it will be fine post-COVID, but will certainly be choppy for a while.

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DiabloWags said:

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The City of San Francisco has a $12 Billion Dollar Budget.

That's BILLION with a "B".

$600 Million is spent on the Homeless.

And yet there is surging crime, 74 car break-ins per day leads the nation for Metro areas.
And there are 80 complaints of feces per day.

And 1,400 people have died from drug overdoses in the last year.

Apparently, throwing money at these problems hasnt been the answer.

Saving San Francisco: Investigative Series NBC Bay Area

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+12 Billion!

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That's nothing.
NYC has a $98.5 BILLION Budget.

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Yes, and NYC has a population of 18,867,000, while San Francisco's population is 884,108. So NYC's Democrats run their city, a city of 21X the population of San Francisco, with only 8X the budget of San Francisco. We San Franciscans should import some of those NYC Democrat politicians to run our town. They would not likely do anything much about saving our city either, but at least it wouldn't cost us residents so much every year. San Francisco voters just keep electing the same grifters, election after election. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

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NYC population is 8.8 million FYI.

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That's nothing.
NYC has a $98.5 BILLION Budget.

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Yes, and NYC has a population of 18,867,000, while San Francisco's population is 884,108.

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Not sure where you got 18.8 million from.
It's 8.8 million as of April 2020.

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That's nothing.
NYC has a $98.5 BILLION Budget.

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Yes, and NYC has a population of 18,867,000, while San Francisco's population is 884,108.

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Not sure where you got 18.8 million from.
It's 8.8 million as of April 2020.

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18.8m is ny metro area which includes long island and parts of new jersey.

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DiabloWags said:

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DiabloWags said:

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That's nothing.
NYC has a $98.5 BILLION Budget.

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Yes, and NYC has a population of 18,867,000, while San Francisco's population is 884,108.

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Not sure where you got 18.8 million from.
It's 8.8 million as of April 2020.

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18.8m is ny metro area which includes long island and parts of new jersey.

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That's literally the Tri-State Area.
It includes the six largest cities in New Jersey as well as the six or seven largest cities in CT.
Plus Long Island as well as the Mid and Lower Hudson Valley in NY State.

DiabloWags said:

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DiabloWags said:

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DiabloWags said:

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That's nothing.
NYC has a $98.5 BILLION Budget.

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Yes, and NYC has a population of 18,867,000, while San Francisco's population is 884,108.

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Not sure where you got 18.8 million from.
It's 8.8 million as of April 2020.

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18.8m is ny metro area which includes long island and parts of new jersey.

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That's literally the Tri-State Area.
It includes the six largest cities in New Jersey as well as the six or seven largest cities in CT.
Plus Long Island as well as the Mid and Lower Hudson Valley in NY State.

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Correct

Unit2Sucks said:

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SFCityBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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NVBear78 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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The City of San Francisco has a $12 Billion Dollar Budget.

That's BILLION with a "B".

$600 Million is spent on the Homeless.

And yet there is surging crime, 74 car break-ins per day leads the nation for Metro areas.
And there are 80 complaints of feces per day.

And 1,400 people have died from drug overdoses in the last year.

Apparently, throwing money at these problems hasnt been the answer.

Saving San Francisco: Investigative Series NBC Bay Area

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+12 Billion!

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That's nothing.
NYC has a $98.5 BILLION Budget.

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Yes, and NYC has a population of 18,867,000, while San Francisco's population is 884,108. So NYC's Democrats run their city, a city of 21X the population of San Francisco, with only 8X the budget of San Francisco.

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NYC doesn't have anywhere close to 19 million people. The entire state of New York is barely that large. One thing that makes the comparison hard is that the city budget doesn't just scale with the number of residents but must take into account workers, tourists and other "users." That's true for both NYC and SF and since each are cornerstones of larger metro areas, they have similar features but it's harder to judge the multiplier impact and how that might affect the budget.

I do suspect that going forward SF downtown will be harder hit by the lasting WFH impact of COVID as opposed to NYC so it's going to be an interesting few years, particularly budget wise. When I talk to people in NYC, there is much more of a back to the office sentiment and more of the services businesses that cater to office workers are intact. When I go to the financial district in SF, it's still very much underutilized and it's hard to imagine that restaurants, etc. that used to make a living serving office workers will be able to do so for the next few years. Maybe that will change, I don't know, but right now it looks rough.

To be clear, I don't think this really has anything to do with politics. Technology businesses are more conducive to WFH and we obviously have a higher contribution of those businesses here than anywhere else. I don't think that can be solved by government policy. The city survived the dotcom crash so maybe it will be fine post-COVID, but will certainly be choppy for a while.

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SF is a city in such an attractive location that it should always be able to recover in the long run. It's been through many phases over the years.

But yeah, there are going to be some big changes coming up.

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And Republicans/Conservatives are any better ? GTFOH w/ the BS

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The solution doesn't necessarily come from having more Republicans in office but whatever the progressives are doing, it's clearly not working.

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They aren't progressives. They are corporate democrats, moderates, and neo-liberals. They only care about looking like they are doing something.

So let's see on the issues that most affect me neither group/side/ party or off shoot has any of my issues on their to do list.

So the choice is between one side that does not give a damn and one side that plays(performative) around .

I have often likened it to one side being devout racists and the other side are racist lite( I have black friends) both sides make a point to support white Supremacy.

I can't much tell the difference unless on individual level one stands for justice for everyone,

Otherwise for my daily survival I have to assume the worst in every single possible encounter

calpoly said:

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SFCityBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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NVBear78 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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The City of San Francisco has a $12 Billion Dollar Budget.

That's BILLION with a "B".

$600 Million is spent on the Homeless.

And yet there is surging crime, 74 car break-ins per day leads the nation for Metro areas.
And there are 80 complaints of feces per day.

And 1,400 people have died from drug overdoses in the last year.

Apparently, throwing money at these problems hasnt been the answer.

Saving San Francisco: Investigative Series NBC Bay Area

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+12 Billion!

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That's nothing.
NYC has a $98.5 BILLION Budget.

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Yes, and NYC has a population of 18,867,000, while San Francisco's population is 884,108. So NYC's Democrats run their city, a city of 21X the population of San Francisco, with only 8X the budget of San Francisco. We San Franciscans should import some of those NYC Democrat politicians to run our town. They would not likely do anything much about saving our city either, but at least it wouldn't cost us residents so much every year. San Francisco voters just keep electing the same grifters, election after election. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

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NYC population is 8.8 million FYI.

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calpoly,

Thanks for the correction. I googled NYC to get the population, but carelessly didn't read the fine print, as 18 mil is the NYC metro area, not the city. So NYC pols are running their town of 10X the population of SF, with a budget of 8X the budget of SF. Not really worth it to make the swap of their Democrat leaders for ours, unless they bring their salaries with them, and don't demand San Francisco government wages. That might save us a few bucks. Quite a few bucks, actually.

London Breed salary: $351K ($452K with the bennies)

Eric Adams salary: $259K

Heck, our city truck drivers and city plumbers make nearly as much at the Mayor of New York.

Here is one big reason why San Francisco isn't saving itself. Read and weep:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/09/01/why-san-francisco-is-in-trouble--19000-highly-compensated-city-employees-earned-150000-in-pay--perks/?sh=7f10a6133769

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BearForce2 said:

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going4roses said:

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And Republicans/Conservatives are any better ? GTFOH w/ the BS

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The solution doesn't necessarily come from having more Republicans in office but whatever the progressives are doing, it's clearly not working.

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They aren't progressives. They are corporate democrats, moderates, and neo-liberals. They only care about looking like they are doing something.

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But in the binary world of the average Republican, if you aren't a goose stepping conservative then you must be a flag burning liberal.