US Supreme Court Empowers The People And Their Representatives Regulate Abortion

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DiabloWags
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FAUX NEWS..... home of the low IQ crowd.
And Tucker Carlson who has a poster of Viktor Orban on his bedroom wall and wants the US to be more like Hungary.
oski003
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DiabloWags said:

FAUX NEWS..... home of the low IQ crowd.
And Tucker Carlson who has a poster of Viktor Orban on his bedroom wall and wants the US to be more like Hungary.



Who cares what station it is on? Stacey Abrams expressed support for allowing abortion up to term. Full Stop.
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juarezbear said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


She didn't want to be tied down to a specific proposed limit on the number of weeks…but of course the RNC and FOX spin it in that wirst possible way. She should've said she doesn't support abortion all the way up to 9 months but the specific number of weeks should be between a woman and her doctor.

Like I said earlier, the low IQ crowd doesnt have the critical thinking ability required to figure this out.
They watch the "gotcha" moments on Faux News and then blindly run with the ball.
Never mind what Abrams is on record as saying what her view is on abortion.

Abrams is on record as stating that abortion is a medical issue.
"It is a about a medical decision. And there is no place, in that medical decision, for ideology, or for politicians."

I share the link below for the kids sitting waaaaaaaaay in the back and cant hear very well.

Georgia Democratic nominee for governor Stacey Abrams explains the change in her position on abortion: There is 'no place in that medical decision for ideology or for politicians' (yahoo.com)

DiabloWags
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Meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle . . .

Here is Congresswoman Mary Miller of Illinois quoting Hitler about being "right" about something and thanking Trump for "the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday"


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Unit2Sucks said:


The harm that SCOTUS is causing by allowing theocrats to restrict abortions is far greater than any purported interest so I continue to oppose all restrictions.


Assuming you live California, nothing major should change. California abortion laws are less restrictive than other states but there are restrictions that I'm sure were not set in place by theocrats. You should be grateful that even men can have access to abortions based on liberal ideology.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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DiabloWags said:

juarezbear said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


She didn't want to be tied down to a specific proposed limit on the number of weeks…but of course the RNC and FOX spin it in that wirst possible way. She should've said she doesn't support abortion all the way up to 9 months but the specific number of weeks should be between a woman and her doctor.

Like I said earlier, the low IQ crowd doesnt have the critical thinking ability required to figure this out.
They watch the "gotcha" moments on Faux News and then blindly run with the ball.
Never mind what Abrams is on record as saying what her view is on abortion.

Abrams is on record as stating that abortion is a medical issue.
"It is a about a medical decision. And there is no place, in that medical decision, for ideology, or for politicians."

I share the link below for the kids sitting waaaaaaaaay in the back and cant hear very well.

Georgia Democratic nominee for governor Stacey Abrams explains the change in her position on abortion: There is 'no place in that medical decision for ideology or for politicians' (yahoo.com)




Got it. So, she supports abortions up to full term. For the low IQ crowd folks who I guess sit in the back, that means you just gotta find the right doctor.
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If you shop around with enough doctors, you will find one who will give you a prescription for almost anything (ask Michael Jackson or any many celebrities who are addicted to or even die because of prescription drugs such as pain killers).

Go Bears!
DiabloWags
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calbear80 said:

If you shop around with enough doctors, you will find one who will give you a prescription for almost anything (ask Michael Jackson or any many celebrities who are addicted to or even die because of prescription drugs such as pain killers).

Go Bears!


Ummmmm....the FDA approved abortion pill Mifepristone has been availible since last December via telemedicine, without requiring to be dispensed in person. That requirement was waived by the FDA.

https://time.com/6191270/abortion-pills-bans-fda-merrick-garland/

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DiabloWags said:

calbear80 said:

If you shop around with enough doctors, you will find one who will give you a prescription for almost anything (ask Michael Jackson or any many celebrities who are addicted to or even die because of prescription drugs such as pain killers).

Go Bears!


Ummmmm....the FDA approved abortion pill has been availible since last December via telemedicine.



And... ?
calbear80
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BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


Vast majority of American do not agree with abortion at say seven or eight months. A child born at seven or eight month of pregnancy is a full human being that has a good chance of surviving outside the womb.

Go Bears!
dajo9
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Old men are the worst people to try to have a real discussion about pregnancy risks with
dimitrig
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calbear80 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


Vast majority of American do not agree with abortion at say seven or eight months. A child born seven or eight month is a full human being that has a good chance of surviving outside the womb.

Go Bears!


So what? It's up to the mother to decide.

Other people don't get to decide. You want to force her to have a c-section just in case?


DiabloWags
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After listening to South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem on Face The Nation today, I wonder if she and her legislature will be "screening" Federal Mail looking for residents who have purchased mifepristone?

She didnt specifically say that she would not do so.

And I thought Republicans were for less invasive Government and staying out of people's lives.

Shades of Stasi.
calbear80
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dajo9 said:

Old men are the worst people to try to have a real discussion about pregnancy risks with


Last time I checked, Justice Amy Coney Barrette (the deciding vote in the Supreme Court's decision) is neither old nor a man. As a matter of fact, I think President Trump appointed her in part because she was relatively young.

Go bears!
dajo9
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The government does not need to be part of this decision making process
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….but she is possessed of Crazy Eyes.





…and she was a member of a weird cult.

Legal claims shed light on founder of faith group tied to Amy Coney Barrett | Religion | The Guardian


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/06/people-of-praise-accused-child-abuse-amy-coney-barrett

*I remember Moonies on campus at Cal in the early 1970's that had that same crazy eyed 1,000 miles away stare.
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oski003
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dajo9 said:

The government does not need to be part of this decision making process



Awesome data from 1997. Is there something keeping them from having data from this century?
dajo9
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calbear80 said:

dajo9 said:

Old men are the worst people to try to have a real discussion about pregnancy risks with


Last time I checked, Justice Amy Coney Barrette (the deciding vote in the Supreme Court's decision) is neither old nor a man. As a matter of fact, I think President Trump appointed her in part because she was relatively young.

Go bears!


What does that have to do with what I said?
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dimitrig said:

calbear80 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


Vast majority of American do not agree with abortion at say seven or eight months. A child born seven or eight month is a full human being that has a good chance of surviving outside the womb.

Go Bears!


So what? It's up to the mother to decide.

Other people don't get to decide. You want to force her to have a c-section just in case?


Doesn't the baby have a say?
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
dimitrig
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BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

calbear80 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


Vast majority of American do not agree with abortion at say seven or eight months. A child born seven or eight month is a full human being that has a good chance of surviving outside the womb.

Go Bears!


So what? It's up to the mother to decide.

Other people don't get to decide. You want to force her to have a c-section just in case?


Doesn't the baby have a say?


From inside the womb? No.



dajo9
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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

The government does not need to be part of this decision making process



Awesome data from 1997. Is there something keeping them from having data from this century?


In 2019 only 7.2% of abortions were past 13 weeks. Lower than in 1997.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm
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dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

calbear80 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


Vast majority of American do not agree with abortion at say seven or eight months. A child born seven or eight month is a full human being that has a good chance of surviving outside the womb.

Go Bears!


So what? It's up to the mother to decide.

Other people don't get to decide. You want to force her to have a c-section just in case?


Doesn't the baby have a say?

From inside the womb? No.

Does it have any rights?
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
DiabloWags
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calbear80 said:

dajo9 said:

Old men are the worst people to try to have a real discussion about pregnancy risks with


Last time I checked, Justice Amy Coney Barrette (the deciding vote in the Supreme Court's decision) is neither old nor a man. As a matter of fact, I think President Trump appointed her in part because she was relatively young.

Go bears!


oski003
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dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

The government does not need to be part of this decision making process



Awesome data from 1997. Is there something keeping them from having data from this century?


In 2019 only 7.2% of abortions were past 13 weeks. Lower than in 1997.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm


I am addressing the 20 week data from 1997. Is that lower now too?
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BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

calbear80 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


Vast majority of American do not agree with abortion at say seven or eight months. A child born seven or eight month is a full human being that has a good chance of surviving outside the womb.

Go Bears!


So what? It's up to the mother to decide.

Other people don't get to decide. You want to force her to have a c-section just in case?


Doesn't the baby have a say?

From inside the womb? No.

Does it have any rights?


In my opinion it does not.

Unit2Sucks
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dajo9 said:

The government does not need to be part of this decision making process

Exactly. There is no compelling state interest here. These theocrats have passed legislation criminalizing the termination of ectopic pregnancies, fetuses with neural tube defects and other pregnancies that can never result in a viable human. Forcing women to carry fetuses to term that cannot survive outside the womb is far worse than "irresponsible" abortions that the theocrats say they care about. I mentioned previously a story I read about a doctor forced to deliver a fetus with neural tube defects (which was missing the back half of the skull and brain) to a distraught mother who was forced to grieve continuously from the time she learned the fetus was non-viable until the time she was forced to deliver due to being in a state where theocrats controlled medical decisions.

This has been happening for years in states where abortion is almost unobtainable due to a lack of providers (as of a few years ago, half a dozen states had only 1 provider) and it's galling that the greatest country in the world could treat women with so little respect.

More broadly, I don't support the abrogation of rights unless there is a significant state interest and I've yet to hear a single one for abortion. If abortion is legal at 12 weeks, why not 15? Why should a state care if a non-viable fetus is aborted at 25 weeks? How is it ever in a state's interest to force birth?
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dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

calbear80 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


Vast majority of American do not agree with abortion at say seven or eight months. A child born seven or eight month is a full human being that has a good chance of surviving outside the womb.

Go Bears!


So what? It's up to the mother to decide.

Other people don't get to decide. You want to force her to have a c-section just in case?


Doesn't the baby have a say?

From inside the womb? No.

Does it have any rights?
In my opinion it does not.
Is it not a separate body with its own unique DNA?
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
dajo9
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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

The government does not need to be part of this decision making process



Awesome data from 1997. Is there something keeping them from having data from this century?


In 2019 only 7.2% of abortions were past 13 weeks. Lower than in 1997.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm


I am addressing the 20 week data from 1997. Is that lower now too?


First, it doesn't matter
Second, the data I provided shows a linearly consistent pattern except it has shifted towards sooner so there is zero reason to think the number above 20 weeks has increased.
Third, do your own research.
dajo9
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BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

calbear80 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


Vast majority of American do not agree with abortion at say seven or eight months. A child born seven or eight month is a full human being that has a good chance of surviving outside the womb.

Go Bears!


So what? It's up to the mother to decide.

Other people don't get to decide. You want to force her to have a c-section just in case?


Doesn't the baby have a say?

From inside the womb? No.

Does it have any rights?
In my opinion it does not.
Is it not a separate body with its own unique DNA?


Do I have the right to live inside you? Neither does the fetus.
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dajo9 said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

calbear80 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


Vast majority of American do not agree with abortion at say seven or eight months. A child born seven or eight month is a full human being that has a good chance of surviving outside the womb.

Go Bears!


So what? It's up to the mother to decide.

Other people don't get to decide. You want to force her to have a c-section just in case?


Doesn't the baby have a say?

From inside the womb? No.

Does it have any rights?
In my opinion it does not.
Is it not a separate body with its own unique DNA?


Do I have the right to live inside you? Neither does the fetus.
Can you live inside me?
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
DiabloWags
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dajo9 said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:




Doesn't the baby have a say?

From inside the womb? No.

Does it have any rights?
In my opinion it does not.
Is it not a separate body with its own unique DNA?


Do I have the right to live inside you? Neither does the fetus.

It's pretty clear that the Russian BOT doesnt know what a HOST is.
Oh the irony.
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DiabloWags said:

dajo9 said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:




Doesn't the baby have a say?

From inside the womb? No.

Does it have any rights?
In my opinion it does not.
Is it not a separate body with its own unique DNA?


Do I have the right to live inside you? Neither does the fetus.

It's pretty clear that the Russian BOT doesnt know what a HOST is.
Oh the irony.



Open your mind.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
BearForce2
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dajo9 said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

dimitrig said:

calbear80 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Nobody supports that. Stop lying. Liars are losers. Don't be a loser.


Of course they do.


Vast majority of American do not agree with abortion at say seven or eight months. A child born seven or eight month is a full human being that has a good chance of surviving outside the womb.

Go Bears!


So what? It's up to the mother to decide.

Other people don't get to decide. You want to force her to have a c-section just in case?


Doesn't the baby have a say?

From inside the womb? No.

Does it have any rights?
In my opinion it does not.
Is it not a separate body with its own unique DNA?


Do I have the right to live inside you? Neither does the fetus.

When the baby is conceived, does it have the right to live in the mother's house?
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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DiabloWags said:

tequila4kapp said:

Anarchistbear said:

Cal_79 said:

Anarchistbear said:

calbear80 said:

calbear80 said:

Do I misunderstand that there is nothing in the US Supreme Court decision that bans abortion?

Do I misunderstand that the US Supreme Court decision empowers people of each state and their elected representatives to decide rather than the Big Brother from Washington mandate things?

Go Bears!


Thank you for those who provided information on this.

The question is not whether we like or not like the Supreme Court decision (I personally do not like this decision at all). The question is what does the Constitution say.

Could someone refer me to the specific section of the US Constitution that grant right to abortion.

If not, then isn't Supreme Court correct stating that the Constitution does not grant right to abortion?

And, if the Constitution does not grant right to abortion, those who like to see that right be granted, can work to get an Amendment approved (not easy) rather than criticizing Supreme Court for stating what is in the Constitution.

Go Bears!


Well previous Constitutional interpreters did declare a "right" up to yesterday. Why should rights be summarily removed by people with no accountability to voters.

How were those previous Constitutional interpreters accountable to the voters?


They weren't. The system is bogus and an extension of the legislative branch. That said, when something is in place for decades with general agreement and exercised by voters, the criminalization of this activity represents a radical departure and exercise in authoritarianism
There was not general agreement. Never has been. More than 1/2 the states filed amicus briefs asking for Roe to be overturned.
You appear to conveniently ignore the FACT that 65% of Americans support abortion in the first trimester.

Both sides can cherry pick polls because their results are highly dependent on the exact language of the question. Put it this way, if this was a settled issue in our society we'd see it with a lack of special interest groups, law suits, contentious public policy, etc. Again, more than 1/2 the states asked for Roe to be overturned.
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DiabloWags said:

calbear80 said:

dajo9 said:

Old men are the worst people to try to have a real discussion about pregnancy risks with


Last time I checked, Justice Amy Coney Barrette (the deciding vote in the Supreme Court's decision) is neither old nor a man. As a matter of fact, I think President Trump appointed her in part because she was relatively young.

Go bears!



See the majority opinion. Paraphrasing - See Exhibit ?, EVERY Justice on the current court and in the last 50? Years has voted to overturn precedent.

The only thing different here is D's attempted to enforce a litmus test for one specific case. I'm betting a Top Dog every single Justice said something similar about Stare Decisis and respecting precedent.
 
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