Cal88 said:

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Stanford will make a great hire while we get 4 wins and no bowl games.

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They hired Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris. They got lucky with Harbaugh who turned their program around and handed Shaw a competitive team with a winning strategy. So it`s not a given that they will make a great hire.

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Exactly. They are basically us - hitting a very occasional HR but otherwise being mediocre. They got lucky / did well to hit the HR with Hairball and have Shaw continue the success for a period of time. They have institutional constraints, lack of fan support, etc. The odds of them hitting 3 straigh hiring HRs is low, very low.

I Think the Furd learned their lesson with those hires.

tequila4kapp said:

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Cal88 said:

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Boot said:

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Stanford will make a great hire while we get 4 wins and no bowl games.

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They hired Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris. They got lucky with Harbaugh who turned their program around and handed Shaw a competitive team with a winning strategy. So it`s not a given that they will make a great hire.

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Exactly. They are basically us - hitting a very occasional HR but otherwise being mediocre. They got lucky / did well to hit the HR with Hairball and have Shaw continue the success for a period of time. They have institutional constraints, lack of fan support, etc. The odds of them hitting 3 straigh hiring HRs is low, very low.

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Note that Harbaugh had local connections, being a Paly High grad and his father having coached at the farm. This was one case where looking for guys with strong local connections payed off bigly (Troy and Ron, cough cough).

tequila4kapp said:

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Cal88 said:

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Boot said:

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Stanford will make a great hire while we get 4 wins and no bowl games.

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They hired Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris. They got lucky with Harbaugh who turned their program around and handed Shaw a competitive team with a winning strategy. So it`s not a given that they will make a great hire.

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Exactly. They are basically us - hitting a very occasional HR but otherwise being mediocre. They got lucky / did well to hit the HR with Hairball and have Shaw continue the success for a period of time. They have institutional constraints, lack of fan support, etc. The odds of them hitting 3 straigh hiring HRs is low, very low.

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They have a lot of money, (they were paying Shaw about double what Wilcox makes) and have changed position on money for existing players (now supporting it). They are not really in a position to talk advantage of portal transfers, so it will be about player retention and managing rosters. Given.the salaries they pay, they can buy name coaches

tequila4kapp said:

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Cal88 said:

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Boot said:

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Stanford will make a great hire while we get 4 wins and no bowl games.

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They hired Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris. They got lucky with Harbaugh who turned their program around and handed Shaw a competitive team with a winning strategy. So it`s not a given that they will make a great hire.

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Exactly. They are basically us - hitting a very occasional HR but otherwise being mediocre. They got lucky / did well to hit the HR with Hairball and have Shaw continue the success for a period of time. They have institutional constraints, lack of fan support, etc. The odds of them hitting 3 straigh hiring HRs is low, very low.

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You guys miss the point. When they make a mistake, they quickly recognize and correct it. Harris land Teevens lasted 2 and 3 years. respectively. Wilcox would not have lasted more than 3 years at the Farm; while we give him an extension to honor his never having a winning conference record.

Cal88 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Cal88 said:

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Boot said:

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Stanford will make a great hire while we get 4 wins and no bowl games.

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They hired Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris. They got lucky with Harbaugh who turned their program around and handed Shaw a competitive team with a winning strategy. So it`s not a given that they will make a great hire.

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Exactly. They are basically us - hitting a very occasional HR but otherwise being mediocre. They got lucky / did well to hit the HR with Hairball and have Shaw continue the success for a period of time. They have institutional constraints, lack of fan support, etc. The odds of them hitting 3 straigh hiring HRs is low, very low.

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Note that Harbaugh had local connections, being a Paly High grad and his father having coached at the farm. This was one case where looking for guys with strong local connections payed off bigly (Troy and Ron, cough cough).

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It takes far more than just local connections. Harbaugh has a zillion connections from all over the place due to his long NFL career and the long coaching career of his father, and more recently that of his brother. He could have had the same success at Stanford even if he had never set foot in the Bay Area before taking that job.

BearSD said:

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Cal88 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Cal88 said:

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Boot said:

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Stanford will make a great hire while we get 4 wins and no bowl games.

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They hired Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris. They got lucky with Harbaugh who turned their program around and handed Shaw a competitive team with a winning strategy. So it`s not a given that they will make a great hire.

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Exactly. They are basically us - hitting a very occasional HR but otherwise being mediocre. They got lucky / did well to hit the HR with Hairball and have Shaw continue the success for a period of time. They have institutional constraints, lack of fan support, etc. The odds of them hitting 3 straigh hiring HRs is low, very low.

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Note that Harbaugh had local connections, being a Paly High grad and his father having coached at the farm. This was one case where looking for guys with strong local connections payed off bigly (Troy and Ron, cough cough).

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It takes far more than just local connections. Harbaugh has a zillion connections from all over the place due to his long NFL career and the long coaching career of his father, and more recently that of his brother. He could have had the same success at Stanford even if he had never set foot in the Bay Area before taking that job.

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His farm connections played a big role in him landing the job there, that was his first FBS gig.

Cal88 said:

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BearSD said:

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Cal88 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Cal88 said:

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Boot said:

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Stanford will make a great hire while we get 4 wins and no bowl games.

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They hired Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris. They got lucky with Harbaugh who turned their program around and handed Shaw a competitive team with a winning strategy. So it`s not a given that they will make a great hire.

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Exactly. They are basically us - hitting a very occasional HR but otherwise being mediocre. They got lucky / did well to hit the HR with Hairball and have Shaw continue the success for a period of time. They have institutional constraints, lack of fan support, etc. The odds of them hitting 3 straigh hiring HRs is low, very low.

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Note that Harbaugh had local connections, being a Paly High grad and his father having coached at the farm. This was one case where looking for guys with strong local connections payed off bigly (Troy and Ron, cough cough).

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It takes far more than just local connections. Harbaugh has a zillion connections from all over the place due to his long NFL career and the long coaching career of his father, and more recently that of his brother. He could have had the same success at Stanford even if he had never set foot in the Bay Area before taking that job.

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His farm connections played a big role in him landing the job there, that was his first FBS gig.

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The connections may have helped him get hired there, though Arrillaga's support of him was probably the biggest factor. Either way, that goes only to how he got hired, not to why he was successful there.

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He`s earned something like $30 million in his long HC stint at the farm, and no longer has the combination of drive and skill to keep their program at high level. He doesn`t need the aggravation and doesn`t want to further tarnish his legacy there, good move for him.

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will his commits stick? Failing team. Failing program. Failing commitment to football by fraud. You'd think a couple of them, at least, might be swayed by our rising program and new OC and OL coach, whoever they may be.

We should have the new guys by the big recruiting weekend Dec. 3/4. Will any of them attend, too?

'Course, this is Cal and...

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Our rising program? Our program has no mission. Shaw was probably overrated and may have reached his expiration date a year or two earlier. But he may be seeing the writing on the wall with NIL and conference realignment.

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Rushinbear said:

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Cal88 said:

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He`s earned something like $30 million in his long HC stint at the farm, and no longer has the combination of drive and skill to keep their program at high level. He doesn`t need the aggravation and doesn`t want to further tarnish his legacy there, good move for him.

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will his commits stick? Failing team. Failing program. Failing commitment to football by fraud. You'd think a couple of them, at least, might be swayed by our rising program and new OC and OL coach, whoever they may be.

We should have the new guys by the big recruiting weekend Dec. 3/4. Will any of them attend, too?

'Course, this is Cal and...

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Our rising program? Our program has no mission. Shaw was probably overrated and may have reached his expiration date a year or two earlier. But he may be seeing the writing on the wall with NIL and conference realignment.

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You don't give up $9 million a year in overall compensation because things will get harder. This "I just decided to quit" commentary by Shaw seems orchestrated

Funny again how this post on Shaw morphed into a hate for Wilcox. Are the programs even that close to compare? Shaw fell from grace, Wilcox?

KoreAmBear said:

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Will Furd snag Troy Taylor? That would hurt.

Stanford coach David Shaw has stepped down following Saturday's loss to BYU

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2022

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It's nice to know that a coach (even a historically successful one) will resign with years remaining on his contract. Wish Wilcox would do the same thing, although I know it won't happen. Good things don't happen at Cal.

please make it so

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will his commits stick? Failing team. Failing program. Failing commitment to football by fraud. You'd think a couple of them, at least, might be swayed by our rising program and new OC and OL coach, whoever they may be.

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Rising program????? Are you kidding??? Cal? We went 4-8 this season after going 5-7 last season and 1-3 two years ago. And we're stuck with a coach for 5 more years who has proven that he is a loser. How can you consider that rising?

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Holy crap - we are screwed. The bottom dwellers - Colorado, ASU, and Stanford are off to the races fixing their problems and here we are treading water.

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Treading water? Not even close. (to me, treading water implies a mediocre record, i.e., .500 in conference.)

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KoreAmBear said:

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Will Furd snag Troy Taylor? That would hurt.

Stanford coach David Shaw has stepped down following Saturday's loss to BYU

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2022

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It's nice to know that a coach (even a historically successful one) will resign with years remaining on his contract. Wish Wilcox would do the same thing, although I know it won't happen. Good things don't happen at Cal.

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Wilcox resigned with Cal last year with years remaining on his contract.

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Golden One said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Will Furd snag Troy Taylor? That would hurt.

Stanford coach David Shaw has stepped down following Saturday's loss to BYU

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2022

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It's nice to know that a coach (even a historically successful one) will resign with years remaining on his contract. Wish Wilcox would do the same thing, although I know it won't happen. Good things don't happen at Cal.

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Wilcox resigned with Cal last year with years remaining on his contract.

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No, he re-signed. Big difference!

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okaydo said:

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Golden One said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Will Furd snag Troy Taylor? That would hurt.

Stanford coach David Shaw has stepped down following Saturday's loss to BYU

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2022

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It's nice to know that a coach (even a historically successful one) will resign with years remaining on his contract. Wish Wilcox would do the same thing, although I know it won't happen. Good things don't happen at Cal.

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Wilcox resigned with Cal last year with years remaining on his contract.

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No, he re-signed. Big difference!

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Pretty much did both when he didn't bother changing any of his staff in the off-season. Cal, home of the most highly rewarded quiet quitters in the country!

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philly1121 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Cal88 said:

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He`s earned something like $30 million in his long HC stint at the farm, and no longer has the combination of drive and skill to keep their program at high level. He doesn`t need the aggravation and doesn`t want to further tarnish his legacy there, good move for him.

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will his commits stick? Failing team. Failing program. Failing commitment to football by fraud. You'd think a couple of them, at least, might be swayed by our rising program and new OC and OL coach, whoever they may be.

We should have the new guys by the big recruiting weekend Dec. 3/4. Will any of them attend, too?

'Course, this is Cal and...

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Our rising program? Our program has no mission. Shaw was probably overrated and may have reached his expiration date a year or two earlier. But he may be seeing the writing on the wall with NIL and conference realignment.

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You don't give up $9 million a year in overall compensation because things will get harder. This "I just decided to quit" commentary by Shaw seems orchestrated

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1. Stanford has a real AD.

2. Shaw has made a ton of money at Stanford. Not just his football salary and free housing on campus. He sits on boards of tech companies and has been given pre-IPO stock. Maybe one of the reasons they have been sucking is he lost interest in the grind of football and tried to just be CEO with his buddies running the day to day. That isn't working but rather than recommit to football he'd rather go do something else?

3. Maybe he knows Stanford isn't getting into the B1G? Or maybe he knows they are?

Wilcox is now the PAC-12's second longest tenured coach after Whitingham at Utah.

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okaydo said:

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Tedford: Coached Cal for 139 games between the ages of 40 and 51.

Shaw: Coached Stanford for 150 games between the ages of 38 and 50.

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Shaw 3 Rose Bowls, won 2.

Tedford was fired. Shaw resigned.

But yeah, the similarity is striking.

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Heard this was coming since before the season started. Ran into a former Furd assistant ST coach at a local brew pub who said Shaw would be heading into the TV Booth soon. He was burned out.

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Econ141 said:

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Holy crap - we are screwed. The bottom dwellers - Colorado, ASU, and Stanford are off to the races fixing their problems and here we are treading water.

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Treading water? Not even close. (to me, treading water implies a mediocre record, i.e., .500 in conference.)

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The only teams at or barely above .500 conference record are UCLA and Oregon State. Those must be treading water then, right?

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Tedford: Coached Cal for 139 games between the ages of 40 and 51.

Shaw: Coached Stanford for 150 games between the ages of 38 and 50.

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Shaw 3 Rose Bowls, won 2.

Tedford was fired. Shaw resigned.

But yeah, the similarity is striking.

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Heard this was coming since before the season started. Ran into a former Furd assistant ST coach at a local brew pub who said Shaw would be heading into the TV Booth soon. He was burned out.

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makes sense

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Wilcox is now the PAC-12's second longest tenured coach after Whitingham at Utah.

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which would you rather have as your head coach?

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Holy crap - we are screwed. The bottom dwellers - Colorado, ASU, and Stanford are off to the races fixing their problems and here we are treading water.

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Treading water? Not even close. (to me, treading water implies a mediocre record, i.e., .500 in conference.)

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That means Tedford was mediocre the majority of his tenure at Cal.

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OK, I'll lob the dynamite into the pond. David Shaw for Cal OC?

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Few here had a problem with Chryst. Both are tied in with that terrible institution.

Cal Strong's views on hiring furds are well documented. We should fire Chryst and have a strict no-furd policy.

philly1121 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Cal88 said:

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He`s earned something like $30 million in his long HC stint at the farm, and no longer has the combination of drive and skill to keep their program at high level. He doesn`t need the aggravation and doesn`t want to further tarnish his legacy there, good move for him.

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will his commits stick? Failing team. Failing program. Failing commitment to football by fraud. You'd think a couple of them, at least, might be swayed by our rising program and new OC and OL coach, whoever they may be.

We should have the new guys by the big recruiting weekend Dec. 3/4. Will any of them attend, too?

'Course, this is Cal and...

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Our rising program? Our program has no mission. Shaw was probably overrated and may have reached his expiration date a year or two earlier. But he may be seeing the writing on the wall with NIL and conference realignment.

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Facetious.

calumnus said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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philly1121 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Cal88 said:

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He`s earned something like $30 million in his long HC stint at the farm, and no longer has the combination of drive and skill to keep their program at high level. He doesn`t need the aggravation and doesn`t want to further tarnish his legacy there, good move for him.

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will his commits stick? Failing team. Failing program. Failing commitment to football by fraud. You'd think a couple of them, at least, might be swayed by our rising program and new OC and OL coach, whoever they may be.

We should have the new guys by the big recruiting weekend Dec. 3/4. Will any of them attend, too?

'Course, this is Cal and...

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Our rising program? Our program has no mission. Shaw was probably overrated and may have reached his expiration date a year or two earlier. But he may be seeing the writing on the wall with NIL and conference realignment.

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You don't give up $9 million a year in overall compensation because things will get harder. This "I just decided to quit" commentary by Shaw seems orchestrated

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1. Stanford has a real AD.

2. Shaw has made a ton of money at Stanford. Not just his football salary and free housing on campus. He sits on boards of tech companies and has been given pre-IPO stock. Maybe one of the reasons they have been sucking is he lost interest in the grind of football and tried to just be CEO with his buddies running the day to day. That isn't working but rather than recommit to football he'd rather go do something else?

3. Maybe he knows Stanford isn't getting into the B1G? Or maybe he knows they are?

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Meh, most of those pre-IPOs are probably in the toilet

BearSD said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearSD said:

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Cal88 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Cal88 said:

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Boot said:

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Stanford will make a great hire while we get 4 wins and no bowl games.

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They hired Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris. They got lucky with Harbaugh who turned their program around and handed Shaw a competitive team with a winning strategy. So it`s not a given that they will make a great hire.

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Exactly. They are basically us - hitting a very occasional HR but otherwise being mediocre. They got lucky / did well to hit the HR with Hairball and have Shaw continue the success for a period of time. They have institutional constraints, lack of fan support, etc. The odds of them hitting 3 straigh hiring HRs is low, very low.

---

Note that Harbaugh had local connections, being a Paly High grad and his father having coached at the farm. This was one case where looking for guys with strong local connections payed off bigly (Troy and Ron, cough cough).

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It takes far more than just local connections. Harbaugh has a zillion connections from all over the place due to his long NFL career and the long coaching career of his father, and more recently that of his brother. He could have had the same success at Stanford even if he had never set foot in the Bay Area before taking that job.

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His farm connections played a big role in him landing the job there, that was his first FBS gig.

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The connections may have helped him get hired there, though Arrillaga's support of him was probably the biggest factor. Either way, that goes only to how he got hired, not to why he was successful there.

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He's a good coach. We may not like his personality, but he's proven to be successful and someone spotted that.

Rushinbear said:

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Cal88 said:

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He`s earned something like $30 million in his long HC stint at the farm, and no longer has the combination of drive and skill to keep their program at high level. He doesn`t need the aggravation and doesn`t want to further tarnish his legacy there, good move for him.

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will his commits stick? Failing team. Failing program. Failing commitment to football by fraud. You'd think a couple of them, at least, might be swayed by our rising program and new OC and OL coach, whoever they may be.

We should have the new guys by the big recruiting weekend Dec. 3/4. Will any of them attend, too?

'Course, this is Cal and...

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Rising program? Tell me more.

wifeisafurd said:

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philly1121 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Cal88 said:

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He`s earned something like $30 million in his long HC stint at the farm, and no longer has the combination of drive and skill to keep their program at high level. He doesn`t need the aggravation and doesn`t want to further tarnish his legacy there, good move for him.

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will his commits stick? Failing team. Failing program. Failing commitment to football by fraud. You'd think a couple of them, at least, might be swayed by our rising program and new OC and OL coach, whoever they may be.

We should have the new guys by the big recruiting weekend Dec. 3/4. Will any of them attend, too?

'Course, this is Cal and...

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Our rising program? Our program has no mission. Shaw was probably overrated and may have reached his expiration date a year or two earlier. But he may be seeing the writing on the wall with NIL and conference realignment.

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You don't give up $9 million a year in overall compensation because things will get harder. This "I just decided to quit" commentary by Shaw seems orchestrated

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Interesting theory. You're our guy down there: Can you make a few calls and report back?

calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Tedford: Coached Cal for 139 games between the ages of 40 and 51.

Shaw: Coached Stanford for 150 games between the ages of 38 and 50.

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Shaw 3 Rose Bowls, won 2.

Tedford was fired. Shaw resigned.

But yeah, the similarity is striking.

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The similarity to me is how they coached approximately the same number of years and both went into gradual decline over the second half of their tenure.

Credit where credit is due for what Shaw accomplished. Quite often, programs just get stale after awhile.

Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Tedford: Coached Cal for 139 games between the ages of 40 and 51.

Shaw: Coached Stanford for 150 games between the ages of 38 and 50.

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Shaw 3 Rose Bowls, won 2.

Tedford was fired. Shaw resigned.

But yeah, the similarity is striking.

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The similarity to me is how they coached approximately the same number of years and both went into gradual decline over the second half of their tenure.

Credit where credit is due for what Shaw accomplished. Quite often, programs just get stale after awhile.

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Oh, I agree and have been saying the same thing. Sorry if it sounded like sarcasm.

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wifeisafurd said:

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philly1121 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Cal88 said:

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He`s earned something like $30 million in his long HC stint at the farm, and no longer has the combination of drive and skill to keep their program at high level. He doesn`t need the aggravation and doesn`t want to further tarnish his legacy there, good move for him.

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will his commits stick? Failing team. Failing program. Failing commitment to football by fraud. You'd think a couple of them, at least, might be swayed by our rising program and new OC and OL coach, whoever they may be.

We should have the new guys by the big recruiting weekend Dec. 3/4. Will any of them attend, too?

'Course, this is Cal and...

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Our rising program? Our program has no mission. Shaw was probably overrated and may have reached his expiration date a year or two earlier. But he may be seeing the writing on the wall with NIL and conference realignment.

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You don't give up $9 million a year in overall compensation because things will get harder. This "I just decided to quit" commentary by Shaw seems orchestrated

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Interesting theory. You're our guy down there: Can you make a few calls and report back?

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He quit 1 hour after their final game.
It was planned.

"A week ago, 10 days ago, I was gung-ho to be the person to lead us there, and over the last few days I realized it was time," Shaw said. "It was time for me to step aside, time for the next group to come in, and hopefully whoever they hire next wins more games than I do. That would be awesome."

'It's time'; Long-time Stanford coach David Shaw resigns after disappointing season - CBS San Francisco (cbsnews.com)

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Meh, most of those pre-IPOs are probably in the toilet

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Shaw's been at Furd for 12 seasons.
He's made a ton of money. And now he can have a cushy job up in the announcer's booth.