They body dumped busses full of people from Mexico & Columbia in Skid row! It’s so sad to see the rise in homelessness. This IS NOT about boarder walls ( which I DO NOT support) this is about selling a dream to people who are in need and leaving them in a nightmare situation. pic.twitter.com/MypwHCTjLB

— Shirley Raines (@beauty2streetz) January 12, 2023

Who is doing this ? Why are they doing it ? Purpose? Bus loads ?

And then

The San Francisco Police Department is investigating a man who used a hose to spray an apparently homeless woman on Montgomery Street. https://t.co/uI4Vs0q7QU

— SFGATE (@SFGate) January 11, 2023

Has he been arrested ? A lot of people living on the die of pneumonia

going4roses said:

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They body dumped busses full of people from Mexico & Columbia in Skid row! It’s so sad to see the rise in homelessness. This IS NOT about boarder walls ( which I DO NOT support) this is about selling a dream to people who are in need and leaving them in a nightmare situation. pic.twitter.com/MypwHCTjLB

— Shirley Raines (@beauty2streetz) January 12, 2023

Who is doing this ? Why are they doing it ? Purpose? Bus loads ?

And then

The San Francisco Police Department is investigating a man who used a hose to spray an apparently homeless woman on Montgomery Street. https://t.co/uI4Vs0q7QU

— SFGATE (@SFGate) January 11, 2023

Has he been arrested ? A lot of people living on the die of pneumonia

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Since the federal government is de facto encouraging unannounced border crossing, why don't they have a federal solution for these folks? Can't they set up massive camps in federal land or sanctuary states and take care of these folks?

More guns, less butter.


$2 billion B-2 bomber

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The San Francisco Police Department is investigating a man who used a hose to spray an apparently homeless woman on Montgomery Street. https://t.co/uI4Vs0q7QU

— SFGATE (@SFGate) January 11, 2023

Has he been arrested ? A lot of people living on the die of pneumonia

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It's called The Cordileone Technique:

Dousing homeless at church gets S.F. archdiocese in hot water


https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-archdiocese-will-stop-dousing-homeless-6143213.php

*Archbishop, what would your boss, Jesus, do?

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going4roses said:

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The San Francisco Police Department is investigating a man who used a hose to spray an apparently homeless woman on Montgomery Street. https://t.co/uI4Vs0q7QU

— SFGATE (@SFGate) January 11, 2023

Has he been arrested ? A lot of people living on the die of pneumonia

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It's called The Cordileone Technique:

Dousing homeless at church gets S.F. archdiocese in hot water


https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-archdiocese-will-stop-dousing-homeless-6143213.php

*Archbishop, what would your boss, Jesus, do?

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I have no problem with spraying a homeless person with a hose if they are trying to use your local sidewalk as their house, and am surprised the person was arrested (I hope he doesnt get charged). I'd do the same thing to get rid of all their negative side effects.

We need to stop thinking of the long term homeless as potential functioning members of society who are capable of making decisions for themselves. The fact is they are typically addicts and mentally ill and need treatment. Leaving them on the streets is the worst thing for the homeless and the worst thing for the neighborhoods, so why allow it?

golden sloth said:

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going4roses said:

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The San Francisco Police Department is investigating a man who used a hose to spray an apparently homeless woman on Montgomery Street. https://t.co/uI4Vs0q7QU

— SFGATE (@SFGate) January 11, 2023

Has he been arrested ? A lot of people living on the die of pneumonia

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It's called The Cordileone Technique:

Dousing homeless at church gets S.F. archdiocese in hot water


https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-archdiocese-will-stop-dousing-homeless-6143213.php

*Archbishop, what would your boss, Jesus, do?

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I have no problem with spraying a homeless person with a hose if they are trying to use your local sidewalk as their house, and am surprised the person was arrested (I hope he doesnt get charged). I'd do the same thing to get rid of all their negative side effects.

We need to stop thinking of the long term homeless as potential functioning members of society who are capable of making decisions for themselves. The fact is they are typically addicts and mentally ill and need treatment. Leaving them on the streets is the worst thing for the homeless and the worst thing for the neighborhoods, so why allow it?

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I think the current state of the law is that unless the city has a shelter bed available, a person has the legal right to camp on the sidewalk:

The Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco had already ruled in 2018 that local governments could not make it a crime to sleep on a public street or sidewalk when no homeless shelters are available.


Homelessness: It's not a crime to sleep on the street absent other options, court says


https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Homelessness-It-s-not-a-crime-to-sleep-on-the-13204373.php

….but once a city provides a shelter bed for every homeless person, then cities can legally pass no sleeping on the sidewalk ordinances like Las Vegas did:

Las Vegas adopts ban that prohibits sleeping, camping on streets and sidewalks


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-adopts-ban-prohibits-sleeping-camping-streets-sidewalks-n1078006

It is not an option to say I prefer the sidewalk to a shelter.

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going4roses said:

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The San Francisco Police Department is investigating a man who used a hose to spray an apparently homeless woman on Montgomery Street. https://t.co/uI4Vs0q7QU

— SFGATE (@SFGate) January 11, 2023

Has he been arrested ? A lot of people living on the die of pneumonia

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It's called The Cordileone Technique:

Dousing homeless at church gets S.F. archdiocese in hot water


https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-archdiocese-will-stop-dousing-homeless-6143213.php

*Archbishop, what would your boss, Jesus, do?

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I have no problem with spraying a homeless person with a hose if they are trying to use your local sidewalk as their house, and am surprised the person was arrested (I hope he doesnt get charged). I'd do the same thing to get rid of all their negative side effects.

We need to stop thinking of the long term homeless as potential functioning members of society who are capable of making decisions for themselves. The fact is they are typically addicts and mentally ill and need treatment. Leaving them on the streets is the worst thing for the homeless and the worst thing for the neighborhoods, so why allow it?

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They are not typically not addicts(propaganda !!!)pre losing their housing. After … **** can go down hill quickly.

Misdemeanor battery arrest warrant just issued for Collier Gwin, the gallery owner who sprayed down a homeless individual on January 9th. More details to come… @abc7newsbayarea pic.twitter.com/eeFWLcryvl

— J.R. Stone (@jrstonelive) January 19, 2023

OAKLAND, Calif. (KGO) -- A federal judge announced at a hearing Friday he will soon lift the temporary restraining order allowing people to live at the Wood Street homeless encampment. Oakland wants to turn the site into affordable housing.

https://abc7news.com/society/judge-allows-oakland-to-clear-encampment-for-affordable-housing/12767954/

The Country Is Watching': California Homeless Crisis Looms as Gov. Newsom Eyes Political Future | Kaiser Health News


https://khn.org/news/article/california-homeless-crisis-governor-gavin-newsom-political-future/

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The San Francisco Police Department is investigating a man who used a hose to spray an apparently homeless woman on Montgomery Street. https://t.co/uI4Vs0q7QU

— SFGATE (@SFGate) January 11, 2023

Has he been arrested ? A lot of people living on the die of pneumonia

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It's called The Cordileone Technique:

Dousing homeless at church gets S.F. archdiocese in hot water


https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-archdiocese-will-stop-dousing-homeless-6143213.php

*Archbishop, what would your boss, Jesus, do?

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I have no problem with spraying a homeless person with a hose if they are trying to use your local sidewalk as their house, and am surprised the person was arrested (I hope he doesnt get charged). I'd do the same thing to get rid of all their negative side effects.

We need to stop thinking of the long term homeless as potential functioning members of society who are capable of making decisions for themselves. The fact is they are typically addicts and mentally ill and need treatment. Leaving them on the streets is the worst thing for the homeless and the worst thing for the neighborhoods, so why allow it?

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Democrat Michael Schellenberger covers the topic in his book San Fransicko. He says northern Europe solved their problems by first calling it what it is, open drug bazaars and mental illness.

According to a SoCal AG, an open southern border hasxallowed cheap, powerful drugs to pour into our country, excacerbating our already bad situation.

" I have no problem with spraying a homeless person with a hose if they are trying to use your local sidewalk as their house…."

Neither does Archbishop Cordileone.

The City of San Francisco spent $1.1 BILLION on homelessness in the previous fiscal year.
How come it didnt do any good?

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The City of San Francisco spent $1.1 BILLION on homelessness in the previous fiscal year.
How come it didnt do any good?

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Where does the money go?

Our open southern border led to.more drug importation and 5 million new illegal immigrants.

Y'all need to get it through your heads it's not mental illness nor drugs that cause a person to be houseless.

Do you ever think how many unhoused people had those issues prior to being unhoused ?

People live in vehicles more than ever because the COL is too damn high.

Stop blaming the individual … this a societal issue

After all Poverty is a functional pillar of CAPITALISM

People are unhoused for a variety of reasons, often a combination of said. We need to address these reasons individually.

And it needs to be addressed on a national scale: Some of the unhoused come here because the weather's nicer and the cops are less likely to beat the crap out of them, so it doesn't really matter how much SF is pouring into the problem.

California has 50% of the "homeless"?

A functioning individual with a job doesn't normally go sleep on the streets under cardboard. They get a roommate, move to a cheaper area, move out of state, couch surf.

I met one man who works 60 hours a week, making near 100k a year, who sleeps in his van. He didn't want to spend $2500 on an apt in San Jose. Not really homeless.

Tens of millions of illegal immigrants have impacted the lower classes. Employers prefer strong backs and compliant workers not hooked on drugs. They also blow out the Demand curve for housing, as well as for social services. The former "low cost" housing in Pittsburg, Concord, the Marin Canal District, and Oakland lowlands are now all predominantly Latino.

I'm always open to new information. I quizzed a colleague in Hayward who does homeless outreach. He agreed the biggest issues are drugs and mental illness, though he cautioned it can become 'complicated'. And when they're ready for help (rehab), there can be a
wait time.

The Salesforce study did note there were some very low income Chinese in The City who were an overlooked subset of the 'homeless'.

The new supercharged drugs have exacerbated these issues. A relative was on the verge of being "homeless", was on drugs, but he has now turned around his life. When I told him San Francisco gives out $600 cash, he says "I woulda been dead". DAs used to use jail time as leverage to get people into rehab, but that's gone now.

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California has 50% of the "homeless"?

A functioning individual with a job doesn't normally go sleep on the streets under cardboard. They get a roommate, move to a cheaper area, move out of state, couch surf.

I met one man who works 60 hours a week, making near 100k a year, who sleeps in his van. He didn't want to spend $2500 on an apt in San Jose. Not really homeless.

Tens of millions of illegal immigrants have impacted the lower classes. Employers prefer strong backs and compliant workers not hooked on drugs. They also blow out the Demand curve for housing, as well as for social services. The former "low cost" housing in Pittsburg, Concord, the Marin Canal District, and Oakland lowlands are now all predominantly Latino.

I'm always open to new information. I quizzed a colleague in Hayward who does homeless outreach. He agreed the biggest issues are drugs and mental illness, though he cautioned it can become 'complicated'. And when they're ready for help (rehab), there can be a
wait time.

The Salesforce study did note there were some very low income Chinese in The City who were an overlooked subset of the 'homeless'.

The new supercharged drugs have exacerbated these issues. A relative was on the verge of being "homeless", was on drugs, but he has now turned around his life. When I told him San Francisco gives out $600 cash, he says "I woulda been dead". DAs used to use jail time as leverage to get people into rehab, but that's gone now.

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Honestly, you lost me at, "I'm always open to new information."

Socialist society, moreover a communist one, actually requires a much higher educated and conscientious citizenry, while capitalism can easily run on the barely covered with basic literacy primal instincts…

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Socialist society, moreover a communist one, actually requires a much higher educated and conscientious citizenry, while capitalism can easily run on the barely covered with basic literacy primal instincts…

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Many American large cities - run by Democrats for six decades or more - have 10% of many school children, or less, pass basic proficiency. (Is proficiency still getting a 70% on a standardized test?)

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Socialist society, moreover a communist one, actually requires a much higher educated and conscientious citizenry, while capitalism can easily run on the barely covered with basic literacy primal instincts…

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That's hilarious!

You clearly havent been to Flint, Michigan.
Home of the most liberal City Council in the United States of America.

Maybe you can visit China someday.
And you can tell us all about how "educated" the masses are there.

You are the type person that thinks because they have some status that in turn means they understand/have knowledge about everything

You do not.

How did you turn out this way ?

You know nothing about me.
You make assumptions based on facts not in evidence.

But we know that your knowlege base is poor.
That's why you're always using TikTok videos as a surrogate to express yourself.

Get informed.
Do better.

PS. I noticed that you never got back to me and answered my question about Barrack Obama failing you.
He was President of the United States of America for 8 years. Did you not receive any "trickle" down? Did Obama fail you as a black American?

I voted for him TWICE.
Does that still make me a (white) racist in your eyes?

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Socialist society, moreover a communist one, actually requires a much higher educated and conscientious citizenry, while capitalism can easily run on the barely covered with basic literacy primal instincts…

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How's that working out for the residents of Flint, Michigan who are 57% Black?

The City Council is the most liberal city council in America and yet 45% of Flint residents lived below the poverty line in 2016. Flint also had the highest rate of childhood poverty with an estimated 58% of Flint residents under age 18 living below the poverty line. The national rate is 18%

How's socialism working out for all of the black folks in Flint?

We all know you ordered a custom Albanian sports car you bragged about, along with asides about your astute Wall Street moves and BFF Gary Cohn.

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going4roses said:

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Socialist society, moreover a communist one, actually requires a much higher educated and conscientious citizenry, while capitalism can easily run on the barely covered with basic literacy primal instincts…

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How's that working out for the residents of Flint, Michigan who are 57% Black?

The City Council is the most liberal city council in America and yet 45% of Flint residents lived below the poverty line in 2016. Flint also had the highest rate of childhood poverty with an estimated 58% of Flint residents under age 18 living below the poverty line. The national rate is 18%

How's socialism working out for all of the black folks in Flint?

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Why do you say the residents of Flint are living in socialism?

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going4roses said:

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Socialist society, moreover a communist one, actually requires a much higher educated and conscientious citizenry, while capitalism can easily run on the barely covered with basic literacy primal instincts…

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That's hilarious!

You clearly havent been to Flint, Michigan.
Home of the most liberal City Council in the United States of America.

Maybe you can visit China someday.
And you can tell us all about how "educated" the masses are there.

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China doesn't have a homeless problem. Its rate of home ownership in urban areas is around 90%, one of the highest in the world, and it's even higher in rural areas. It's partly due to government policy, but also due to stronger family tradition vs the West, which is also the reason why many poorly run third world countries have less of a homelessness problem that the US.

Also because of this, the Chinese, communist and all, are practical people. The country is not run by lawyers and self-centered boomer homeowners, it is run by engineers, and as a result you get this:



and this:



China spent more on its high-speed rail network in the early 2010s than on its entire defense budget.

On education in China:

Priorities …

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Socialist society, moreover a communist one, actually requires a much higher educated and conscientious citizenry, while capitalism can easily run on the barely covered with basic literacy primal instincts…

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How's that working out for the residents of Flint, Michigan who are 57% Black?

The City Council is the most liberal city council in America and yet 45% of Flint residents lived below the poverty line in 2016. Flint also had the highest rate of childhood poverty with an estimated 58% of Flint residents under age 18 living below the poverty line. The national rate is 18%

How's socialism working out for all of the black folks in Flint?

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Why do you say the residents of Flint are living in socialism?

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Here's a better question . . .

Why do you think I'd waste my time answering someone that does nothing but deflect and spin and is not interested in genuine discussion - - - like how you replied when it came to a remedy for CEO compensation which you claimed you are so concerned about?

You're almost as bad as that Movielover clown.
Go troll someone else.

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going4roses said:

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Socialist society, moreover a communist one, actually requires a much higher educated and conscientious citizenry, while capitalism can easily run on the barely covered with basic literacy primal instincts…

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How's that working out for the residents of Flint, Michigan who are 57% Black?

The City Council is the most liberal city council in America and yet 45% of Flint residents lived below the poverty line in 2016. Flint also had the highest rate of childhood poverty with an estimated 58% of Flint residents under age 18 living below the poverty line. The national rate is 18%

How's socialism working out for all of the black folks in Flint?

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Why do you say the residents of Flint are living in socialism?

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Here's a better question . . .

Why do you think I'd waste my time answering someone that does nothing but deflect and spin and is not interested in genuine discussion - - - like how you replied when it came to a remedy for CEO compensation which you claimed you are so concerned about?

You're almost as bad as that Movielover clown.
Go troll someone else.

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To claim Flint, MI is a socialist economy is just really dumb. It's beneath you. I know you like to attack g4r and you like to call people socialist but you bury yourself with nonsense like that.

You're not being fair; 9% of Biden's infrastructure Bill went to infrastructure (91% social spending, govt, pork, etc.).

There are a lot of issues with homelessness and its not an easy solution, but my biggest point is there are two types of homelessness that need to be addressed: the short-term homeless that need a little help and can be a functioning member of society, and the long-term homeless that are riddled with drug use and mental issues. The solution to both are drastically different.

My biggest question is: Why is it so expensive to build housing and homeless shelters?

From what I gather, its because people would rather pay to have the problem go away than to solve the problem. This stems from their desire to pay for affordable housing, but only for them to be somewhere not near them. As such I don't see why the state doesn't just build a bunch of housing out in the middle of the desert for the addicts and mentally ill? I don't understand the argument that people are entitled to free housing in a location of their choice. If the supreme court believes you can only jail someone if they refuse an open bed, why does the drug addict / mentally ill person get to choose where that bed is? Also, it does not help the drug addict or the mentally ill person by allowing them to stay on the street.

As an aside, it irritates and embarrasses me that my local District Attorney's office would rather prosecute a man for spraying a homeless person with a hose rather than someone that blatantly steals $500 worth of goods from a retail store. That is a misprioritization of government resources.

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You're not being fair; 9% of Biden's infrastructure Bill went to infrastructure (91% social spending, govt, pork, etc.).

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I don't toss Biden compliments lightly, but I loved the way they defined "infrastructure" as anything that enables society to do their jobs better. Examples: child care, access to the internet, health care, education, etc...

It's not just sewer systems, roads and bridges. The government can provide the pathway whereby people can work and achieve.

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You're not being fair; 9% of Biden's infrastructure Bill went to infrastructure (91% social spending, govt, pork, etc.).

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I don't toss Biden compliments lightly, but I loved the way they defined "infrastructure" as anything that enables society to do their jobs better. Examples: child care, access to the internet, health care, education, etc...

It's not just sewer systems, roads and bridges. The government can provide the pathway whereby people can work and achieve.

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We already spend hundreds of Billions per year on these non-infrastructure items. Call them what they are.

Candidate Trump mentioned what seasoned travelers often notice. Other countries with new airports, new critical tunnels, key rail extensions and expansions, new proven energy sources (not green dreams) - that are logical, practical, and needed.

Go ahead and propose day care taxes, etc.

We could be practical on infrastructure. Insulate 20 million homes a year, one of the few proven "green" strategies and a way to create construction jobs. I'm also for so-called "water batteries" - creating lower and upper reservoirs in the Sierras to generate energy on demand. (There's one east of Fresno where Diablo Canyon's excess night (cheap) electricity is used to pump water into the upper reservoir for peak use.) Not unneeded community centers named after politicians.

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You're not being fair; 9% of Biden's infrastructure Bill went to infrastructure (91% social spending, govt, pork, etc.).

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I don't toss Biden compliments lightly, but I loved the way they defined "infrastructure" as anything that enables society to do their jobs better. Examples: child care, access to the internet, health care, education, etc...

It's not just sewer systems, roads and bridges. The government can provide the pathway whereby people can work and achieve.

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We already spend hundreds of Billions per year on these non-infrastructure items. Call them what they are.

Candidate Trump mentioned what seasoned travelers often notice. Other countries with new airports, new critical tunnels, key rail extensions and expansions, new proven energy sources (not green dreams).

Go ahead and propose day care taxes, etc. We could be practical. Insulate 20 million homes a year, one of the few proven "green" strategies and a way to create construction jobs. Not unneeded community centers named after politicians.

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We need to value work of any kind. Whatever we can provide to enable people to go out and work for 40 hours a week: roads, job training, bridges, child care, public transportation, Internet access, mental health care, job safety, elder care, etc. Most all Americans will work and usually work hard, if the way is paved for them to do so.

That's infrastructure in the 21st century.

Child care, job training, elder care aren't infrastructure.

Just as a man in a skirt isn't a woman.

The Left has an unquenchable thirst for social spending, and it's often ineffective and costly. And often harmful. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

San Francisco Democrats and city planners "redeveloped" the Fillmore District with the goal of allegedly fixing it up and improving it for local families. It drove out black families and lost its cultural place. Years later, ONLY ONE FAMILY could be found that moved back into the new developments.