movielover said:

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Child care, job training, elder care aren't infrastructure.

Just as a man in a skirt isn't a woman.

The Left has an unquenchable thirst for social spending, and it's often ineffective and costly. And often harmful. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

San Francisco Democrats and city planners "redeveloped" the Fillmore District with the goal of allegedly fixing it up and improving it for local families. It drove out black families and lost its cultural place. Years later, ONLY ONE FAMILY could be found that moved back into the new developments.

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In this very thread, you wrote that you are "always open to new information". This is an example of why you lost me with that. What you are always open to is the latest right-wing talking point.


On a different note, how hot was that Russian chick? Asking for a friend (who goes by the name of bearister).

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Big C said:

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movielover said:

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You're not being fair; 9% of Biden's infrastructure Bill went to infrastructure (91% social spending, govt, pork, etc.).

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I don't toss Biden compliments lightly, but I loved the way they defined "infrastructure" as anything that enables society to do their jobs better. Examples: child care, access to the internet, health care, education, etc...

It's not just sewer systems, roads and bridges. The government can provide the pathway whereby people can work and achieve.

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We already spend hundreds of Billions per year on these non-infrastructure items. Call them what they are.

Candidate Trump mentioned what seasoned travelers often notice. Other countries with new airports, new critical tunnels, key rail extensions and expansions, new proven energy sources (not green dreams) - that are logical, practical, and needed.

Go ahead and propose day care taxes, etc.

We could be practical on infrastructure. Insulate 20 million homes a year, one of the few proven "green" strategies and a way to create construction jobs. I'm also for so-called "water batteries" - creating lower and upper reservoirs in the Sierras to generate energy on demand. (There's one east of Fresno where Diablo Canyon's excess night (cheap) electricity is used to pump water into the upper reservoir for peak use.) Not unneeded community centers named after politicians.

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Point us to Trump's successes doing these things in his 4 years in office - half with a supportive Republican Congress.

movielover said:

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Child care, job training, elder care aren't infrastructure.

Just as a man in a skirt isn't a woman.

The Left has an unquenchable thirst for social spending, and it's often ineffective and costly. And often harmful. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

San Francisco Democrats and city planners "redeveloped" the Fillmore District with the goal of allegedly fixing it up and improving it for local families. It drove out black families and lost its cultural place. Years later, ONLY ONE FAMILY could be found that moved back into the new developments.

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Same thing happened in Oakland at the cypress village and 69th village. Do you believe that was the intention all along ?

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To claim Flint, MI is a socialist economy is just really dumb. It's beneath you. I know you like to attack g4r and you like to call people socialist but you bury yourself with nonsense like that.

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As usual, you're terribly misinformed.

You're blindly ignorant when it comes to the fact that Flint, Michigan has had one of the most liberal City Council's in America. How have all of their "policies" worked out for the residents of Flint? Kept them in poverty?

The facts say: YES

Decades Of Democratic Rule Ruined Some Of Our Finest Cities | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD (investors.com)

Big C said:

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On a different note, how hot was that Russian chick? Asking for a friend (who goes by the name of bearister).

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Anna Chapman labels poisoned Russian spy Sergei Skripal a traitor


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5485297/Anna-Chapman-calls-Sergei-Skirpal-traitor.html

Are you ever wrong ? The lack of humility is striking

DiabloWags said:

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How's that working out for the residents of Flint, Michigan who are 57% Black?

The City Council is the most liberal city council in America and yet 45% of Flint residents lived below the poverty line in 2016. Flint also had the highest rate of childhood poverty with an estimated 58% of Flint residents under age 18 living below the poverty line. The national rate is 18%

How's socialism working out for all of the black folks in Flint?

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Are you ever wrong ? The lack of humility is striking

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You dont seem to be able to accept FACTS.
Why is that?

Is it because youre terribly misinformed?
Is it because you operate from a poor overall knowledge base?

Perhaps you can post yet another TikTok video to express yourself.

DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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To claim Flint, MI is a socialist economy is just really dumb. It's beneath you. I know you like to attack g4r and you like to call people socialist but you bury yourself with nonsense like that.

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As usual, you're terribly misinformed.

You're blindly ignorant when it comes to the fact that Flint, Michigan has had one of the most liberal City Council's in America. How have all of their "policies" worked out for the residents of Flint? Kept them in poverty?

The facts say: YES

Decades Of Democratic Rule Ruined Some Of Our Finest Cities | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD (investors.com)

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City Councils have no sway over the broad economic system we live in. Flint, MI is part of an aggressively capitalist society. It has not worked out well for the residents there.

Putting it nicely same with Jackson ms

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City Councils have no sway over the broad economic system we live in. Flint, MI is part of an aggressively capitalist society. It has not worked out well for the residents there.

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Right.

City Council's dont create policy and send that policy to their city manager to execute.
Cities all over America (in a capitalistic society) suffer from 45% living below the poverty line.
Just like Flint.

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movielover said:

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Big C said:

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movielover said:

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You're not being fair; 9% of Biden's infrastructure Bill went to infrastructure (91% social spending, govt, pork, etc.).

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I don't toss Biden compliments lightly, but I loved the way they defined "infrastructure" as anything that enables society to do their jobs better. Examples: child care, access to the internet, health care, education, etc...

It's not just sewer systems, roads and bridges. The government can provide the pathway whereby people can work and achieve.

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We already spend hundreds of Billions per year on these non-infrastructure items. Call them what they are.

Candidate Trump mentioned what seasoned travelers often notice. Other countries with new airports, new critical tunnels, key rail extensions and expansions, new proven energy sources (not green dreams) - that are logical, practical, and needed.

Go ahead and propose day care taxes, etc.

We could be practical on infrastructure. Insulate 20 million homes a year, one of the few proven "green" strategies and a way to create construction jobs. I'm also for so-called "water batteries" - creating lower and upper reservoirs in the Sierras to generate energy on demand. (There's one east of Fresno where Diablo Canyon's excess night (cheap) electricity is used to pump water into the upper reservoir for peak use.) Not unneeded community centers named after politicians.

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Point us to Trump's successes doing these things in his 4 years in office - half with a supportive Republican Congress.

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Yes, please cite Trump's successes on the the markers you laid out: new airports, new critical tunnels, key rail extensions and expansions, energy sources. Grade is F bruh

DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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City Councils have no sway over the broad economic system we live in. Flint, MI is part of an aggressively capitalist society. It has not worked out well for the residents there.

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Right.

City Council's dont create policy and send that policy to their city manager to execute.
Cities all over America (in a capitalistic society) suffer from 45% living below the poverty line.
Just like Flint.

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Surprising you have a Cal degree given you seem to think city manager's create the economic system of their local community

Democrats blocked his infrastructure bill.

New huge LNG terminals opened in the south, there was an increase in energy production and prices were relatively low. There was stability. Steel plants modernized, expanded, new aluminum plant(s) with high-paying blue collar jobs, same for car manufacturing along with his USMCA trade agreement.

Then the installed Joe Biden enacts his anti-energy policies on Day 1, higher taxes, Keystone Pipeline and other pipelines halted, and inflation kicks in. We quickly get record energy and overall inflation, leading to record food inflation and newly 150 million "food insecure".

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Democrats blocked his infrastructure bill.

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i.e. Trump failed

Even though he had bigger Congressional majorities than Biden did

dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Democrats blocked his infrastructure bill.

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i.e. Trump failed

Even though he had bigger Congressional majorities than Biden did

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Obama never passed prison reform.

dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Democrats blocked his infrastructure bill.

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i.e. Trump failed

Even though he had bigger Congressional majorities than Biden did

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Aw c'mon... Okay, maybe Trump was blocked by the radical left from passing much of his meaningful legislation, but at least he ... drained the swamp ... got us out of Afghanistan ... that was Biden, never mind ... didn't blatantly enrich himself ... er ... promoted democracy ... give me a minute here ... set a great example of how a leader should behave ...

I'm gonna have to get back to you on this!

Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Democrats blocked his infrastructure bill.

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i.e. Trump failed

Even though he had bigger Congressional majorities than Biden did

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Aw c'mon... Okay, maybe Trump was blocked by the radical left from passing much of his meaningful legislation, but at least he ... drained the swamp ... got us out of Afghanistan ... that was Biden, never mind ... didn't blatantly enrich himself ... er ... promoted democracy ... give me a minute here ... set a great example of how a leader should behave ...

I'm gonna have to get back to you on this!

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Tax cuts mostly for the rich

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Democrats blocked his infrastructure bill.

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i.e. Trump failed

Even though he had bigger Congressional majorities than Biden did

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Aw c'mon... Okay, maybe Trump was blocked by the radical left from passing much of his meaningful legislation, but at least he ... drained the swamp ... got us out of Afghanistan ... that was Biden, never mind ... didn't blatantly enrich himself ... er ... promoted democracy ... give me a minute here ... set a great example of how a leader should behave ...

I'm gonna have to get back to you on
this!

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1. We had record-low unemployment.
2. We had record-low unemployment for African-, Hispanic-, and Asian-Americans. Also for women.
3. We had AFFORDABLE food and gas.
4. No inflation.
5. President Trump funded historically black colleges for ten years.
6. He passed 'Prison Reform', something President Obama skipped.
7. Real Wages rose faster for blue collar workers!
8. He built 500 miles of border wall.
9. Illegal immigration was dramatically cut.
10. Our Southern Border was secure, which means less death, rapes, human trafficking and violent gang activity.
11. Signed a historic USMCA, which included cutting out the China backdoor via Canada.
12. His USMCA helps establish a middle class in Mexico and decouple us from China!
13. Over a dozen upgraded, retrofitted, or new steel and aluminum plants.
14. Strengthened our Military.
15. Dramatically increased NATO countries required expenditures.
16. Sent Javelin missiles to Ukraine and military equipmentbto Taiwan.
17. Peace talks with North Korea.
18. America became energy independent.
19. Took us out of the disastrous Paris Accord which would have ruined our economy (see Joe Biden).
20. Prisoners released from multiple countries at zero cost.
21. Punishing tariffs on China, and we saw no inflation!
22. NO new Wars!!
23. NO proxy Wars.

movielover said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Democrats blocked his infrastructure bill.

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i.e. Trump failed

Even though he had bigger Congressional majorities than Biden did

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Aw c'mon... Okay, maybe Trump was blocked by the radical left from passing much of his meaningful legislation, but at least he ... drained the swamp ... got us out of Afghanistan ... that was Biden, never mind ... didn't blatantly enrich himself ... er ... promoted democracy ... give me a minute here ... set a great example of how a leader should behave ...

I'm gonna have to get back to you on
this!

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1. We had record-low unemployment.
2. We had record-low unemployment for African-, Hispanic-, and Asian-Americans. Also for women.
3. We had AFFORDABLE food and gas.
4. No inflation.
5. President Trump funded historically black colleges for ten years.
6. He passed 'Prison Reform', something President Obama skipped.
7. Real Wages rose faster for blue collar workers!
8. He built 500 miles of border wall.
9. Illegal immigration was dramatically cut.
10. Our Southern Border was secure, which means less death, rapes, human trafficking and violent gang activity.
11. Signed a historic USMCA, which included cutting out the China backdoor via Canada.
12. His USMCA helps establish a middle class in Mexico and decouple us from China!
13. Over a dozen upgraded, retrofitted, or new steel and aluminum plants.
14. Strengthened our Military.
15. Dramatically increased NATO countries required expenditures.
16. Sent Javelin missiles to Ukraine and military equipmentbto Taiwan.
17. Peace talks with North Korea.
18. America became energy independent.
19. Took us out of the disastrous Paris Accord which would have ruined our economy (see Joe Biden).
20. Prisoners released from multiple countries at zero cost.
21. Punishing tariffs on China, and we saw no inflation!
22. NO new Wars!!
23. NO proxy Wars.

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At about the 1 minute mark you get one geopolitical expert's opinion on Trump, the border, the wall and security.

Being knowledgeable in one area doesn't extend everywhere.

These "analysts" sure are full of themselves. He believes we can handle simultaneous wars with Russia and China. We can't even supply Ukraine right now.

Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Democrats blocked his infrastructure bill.

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i.e. Trump failed

Even though he had bigger Congressional majorities than Biden did

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Aw c'mon... Okay, maybe Trump was blocked by the radical left from passing much of his meaningful legislation, but at least he ... drained the swamp ... got us out of Afghanistan ... that was Biden, never mind ... didn't blatantly enrich himself ... er ... promoted democracy ... give me a minute here ... set a great example of how a leader should behave ...

I'm gonna have to get back to you on this!

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MacGregor was part of the faction within the Trump administration that wanted to get us out of Afghanistan, in this segment of an interview published today he covers how Trump was stymied from leaving:



MacGregor advocated leaving in mid-winter, when nearly all of the Taliban fighters were entrenched in their heartland villages. That kind of simple, common sense professional advice would have made the withdrawal far more orderly.

Undoubtedly….but one has to assume ISIS suicide bombers would have just dressed more warmly. That ISIS bomber at the airport became the face of the American withdrawal.

But why didn't Trump also start shipping out our most valuable military gear and technology? I'd like to ask McGregor that.

BTW, I have second-hand knowledge that we destroyed some of our military equipment (multi-step process).

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Undoubtedly….but one has to assume ISIS suicide bombers would have just dressed more warmly. That ISIS bomber at the airport became the face of the American withdrawal.

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Didn't we just learn we had snipers on those guys but Karen wouldn't pull the trigger?

DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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Socialist society, moreover a communist one, actually requires a much higher educated and conscientious citizenry, while capitalism can easily run on the barely covered with basic literacy primal instincts…

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That's hilarious!

You clearly havent been to Flint, Michigan.
Home of the most liberal City Council in the United States of America.

Maybe you can visit China someday.
And you can tell us all about how "educated" the masses are there.

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Oh look!
Another insult by Diablo Wags.
What a surprise!

dajo9 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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City Councils have no sway over the broad economic system we live in. Flint, MI is part of an aggressively capitalist society. It has not worked out well for the residents there.

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Right.

City Council's dont create policy and send that policy to their city manager to execute.
Cities all over America (in a capitalistic society) suffer from 45% living below the poverty line.
Just like Flint.

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Surprising you have a Cal degree given you seem to think city manager's create the economic system of their local community

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Surprising that you claim to have a Cal degree and your reading comprehension is so poor.

For those in which reading comprehension at the 6th grade level is a challenge...

City Council's create policy.
City Manager's execute that policy.

DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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City Councils have no sway over the broad economic system we live in. Flint, MI is part of an aggressively capitalist society. It has not worked out well for the residents there.

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Right.

City Council's dont create policy and send that policy to their city manager to execute.
Cities all over America (in a capitalistic society) suffer from 45% living below the poverty line.
Just like Flint.

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Surprising you have a Cal degree given you seem to think city manager's create the economic system of their local community

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Surprising that you claim to have a Cal degree and your reading comprehension is so poor.

For those in which reading comprehension at the 6th grade level is a challenge...

City Council's create policy.
City Manager's execute that policy.

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Thinking about running for Mayor of my town and implementing a socialist utopia.

dajo9 said:

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Thinking about running for Mayor of my town and implementing a socialist utopia.

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Are there liberals who are hypocrites that vote for the Top 5%?

This a good video speaking about the reality of the quickly growing homeless crisis in this country. pic.twitter.com/pr4eEraYTb

— 🥀_Imposter_🥀 (@Imposter_Edits) March 20, 2023

Over 30 million illegal immigrants have dramatically increased the competition for low-cost housing, low-skilled jobs, and social services.

The minimum wage is essentially a training wage, not a wage to rent a house in Manhattan, Malibu or Hong Kong.

A friend with a high school education and 4 children moved to the Midwest, got a job, was promoted, and now bought a 5-bedroom house on two acres listed at $360,000, for $150,000.

Yes, the Liberals / Democrats now are the coastal elites.

movielover said:

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Over 30 million illegal immigrants have dramatically increased the competition for low-cost housing, low-skilled jobs, and social services.

The minimum wage is essentially a training wage, not a wage to rent a house in Manhattan, Malibu or Hong Kong.

A friend with a high school education and 4 children moved to the Midwest, got a job, was promoted, and now bought a 5-bedroom house on two acres listed at $360,000, for $150,000.

Yes, the Liberals / Democrats now are the coastal elites.

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You are still lying about illegal immigration, I see

Please name the specific alleged lie.

movielover said:

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Please name the specific alleged lie.

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Your first sentence, as per usual

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movielover said:

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Please name the specific alleged lie.

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Your first sentence, as per usual

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I posted this once already, you apparently can't accept new facts. Our govt uses the 12 million figure that they've used since at least 1998. And the figure the Feds used when Reagan was POTUS was also dramatically undercounted. Around 2000 a big six consulting group used a more comprehensive method and estimated the number at around 20 million illegal immigrants.

The Hill [2018]: Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

"The paper, led by Mohammad M. Fazel-Zarandi, a researcher at Yale and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, estimates there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

"Fazel-Zarandi's study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million."

Now add in two more years, plus 5 million illegal immigrants who entered under the Biden Administration.

My guess is it's even higher. The liberal incentive is to underestimate the numbers.

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/