Tucker Carlson out at Fox

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calbear93 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

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dimitrig said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Instantly gives Tucker more credibility. Not that I actually watched Fox, normally I just watch clips of Tucker on Bit//chute, but that's going to be a huge audience loss for Fox.

He got fired for lying and costing the company $750M and you say that makes him more credible?

Please describe your twisted logic.


I personally think once his true feelings of hatred for Trump and his sycophants came out, which diverged greatly from the persona he portrayed on TV to cater to the MAGA crowd, his stay was not truly possible. That, together with his general disregard for the truth on TV (including truth that he even held on a personal level), as well as claims of a toxic work environment, created too much future liability paired with weakened credibility.

It will be a hit for Fox News in the short run, but a gain in assets (i.e. reduced loss contingencies) in the long run.

But he was not the main or even a big target of the Dominion case and that certain Fox Business reporter who was the biggest spreader of lies is still there. And he didn't go down fighting for some high principle. Instead the text showed he was just a showman that was not true to his own principles.


People that like Trump or wanted him for president don't demand obedience from our news anchors. Tucker regularly had Glenn Greenwald and Jimmy Dore, even recently Matt Taibbi on as guests, do you believe those are pro-Trumpers? lol. We pretty much just demanded an anti-war stance, or at least not cheering it on. I couldn't stand the other programs and anchors at Fox.
But his texts and his concurrent coverage of the election lies (even if not focused on Dominion) contradict. He was just a showman. And Shep Smith and Chris Wallace were basically driven away from Fox News for not bending the knee to Trump and his lies. I think you are a bit off here.
I disagree with Tucker. I believe there was significant fraud in the last election. I also believe Dominion is shady af. You know who else believed that...democrats.





Sure seems political doesn't it.
I don't doubt you truly believe it. I don't think there has been any credible evidence for mass fraud, but small instances of fraud, including from Republicans.

Having said that, going back to topic at hand, Tucker did not believe it based on his texts, but he still presented as if it were credible.
That's his job dude. What do you think all the other morons on cable tv do.
So he was just a talking head that lies. What is his value? Just perpetuate a lie for money? Good riddance, I'm sure you would agree, unless you like being treated like a child who is just fed mind candy because you want candy even if it will destroy your brain.

I think we can demand more from those who present themselves as presenter of what is happening out there in the world other than lies catering to our biases.

Maybe I am hoping for too much.

And I don't believe his official job description was to tell lies, so I disagree that was his job.
What do you think the white house press secretary does? Should she lose her job too? lol
Her job is not to tell lies. If and when she is caught in a deliberate lie, her employment should be over.

That picture was a weak retort.

If you have evidence similar to the evidence for Tucker that she personally believed something to be false but still presented as the truth, share it. I will share your outrage. The only person whose personal beliefs betrayed the lie told was Trump's first press secretary about attendance. Even if I disagreed with all of Trump's other press secretaries, I believe they were telling what they believed to be the truth. Same with Biden's press secretaries.

Even if I disagree with how you are interpreting the facts, it does not mean I think you are lying. If, however, you are telling your true views one way to your colleagues and then telling the rest of the world the opposite as your belief, then you are lying.

An elementary picture response is a sign that you don't really have the data to back your claim.

calbear93, I give you MinotStateBeav.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Is anyone really surprised to see an amateur sh(tposter with few if any deeply held beliefs defending a professional sh(tposter with few if any deeply held beliefs?

I think the timing of this announcement had more to do with the current Fox News carriage negotiations than the settlement. Fox gets the vast majority of its revenue from people who don't watch Fox News. Their ad business has taken a massive beating and if they fail to force all cable customers to pay the Fox News tax it would be terrible for their business. That matters to them far more than anything else.


Great context, but considering they just terminated the most watched personality on Fox News, hard for me to grasp how this helps with their negotiation.

At the end of the day, cable companies are looking at what fees their subscribers are willing to pay, potential loss of subscribers from dropping a channel, and popularity of the channels. Dropping Tucker in the midst of this negotiation with purely metric driven arguments would seem to weaken their position.

I still think this has more to do with potential liability, including hostile work environment, and potentially blowback from his hostile text (i.e., loss of credibility with the MAGA crowd) toward Trump.
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The jokes just write themselves:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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dimitrig said:

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Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has not been pleased with a number of interviews Fox News hosts and pundits have conducted with former President Trump in recent weeks.

"In recent weeks I've watched 3hrs of FOX interviews of Trump All I hear is history," Grassley tweeted on Sunday night. "Why hv hannity tucker and levin never asked him abt future WHAT TRUMP WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH IN HIS NEXT TERM. Elections are abt the future not the past."


Since announcing his bid for the Republican nomination for president in 2024, Trump has sat with hosts Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Mark Levin for wide-ranging interviews.

He has no plans for the future. I doubt he even wants to be President except for the adulation. He has no interest in governing. He proved that the first time.
This time Trump's running for the adulation and for the revenge.
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concordtom said:

dimitrig said:

concordtom said:

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has not been pleased with a number of interviews Fox News hosts and pundits have conducted with former President Trump in recent weeks.

"In recent weeks I've watched 3hrs of FOX interviews of Trump All I hear is history," Grassley tweeted on Sunday night. "Why hv hannity tucker and levin never asked him abt future WHAT TRUMP WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH IN HIS NEXT TERM. Elections are abt the future not the past."


Since announcing his bid for the Republican nomination for president in 2024, Trump has sat with hosts Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Mark Levin for wide-ranging interviews.

He has no plans for the future. I doubt he even wants to be President except for the adulation. He has no interest in governing. He proved that the first time.



Trump's entire plan for this foray into politics has always been about his angling for his ego and his pocketbook.

A fun adventure, and he's just making it up as he goes along.

Yeah, Trump is clearly future-focused and goal-oriented:

+ stay out of prison
+ further enrich himself

- gettin' a little old for the porn stars, unfortunately
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Fascinating there has been no comment from Trump so far, even though he applauded Don Lemon's dismissal:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

Will be interesting to see how Trump ultimately spins this ....
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OsoDorado said:

Fascinating there has been no comment from Trump so far, even though he applauded Don Lemon's dismissal:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

Will be interesting to see how Trump ultimately spins this ....

I am sure Trump is going to call Tucker a two-faced liar and applaud his termination.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

dimitrig said:

concordtom said:

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has not been pleased with a number of interviews Fox News hosts and pundits have conducted with former President Trump in recent weeks.

"In recent weeks I've watched 3hrs of FOX interviews of Trump All I hear is history," Grassley tweeted on Sunday night. "Why hv hannity tucker and levin never asked him abt future WHAT TRUMP WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH IN HIS NEXT TERM. Elections are abt the future not the past."


Since announcing his bid for the Republican nomination for president in 2024, Trump has sat with hosts Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Mark Levin for wide-ranging interviews.

He has no plans for the future. I doubt he even wants to be President except for the adulation. He has no interest in governing. He proved that the first time.
This time Trump's running for the adulation and for the revenge.

Uh, what did you think it was the first time?
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OsoDorado said:

Fascinating there has been no comment from Trump so far, even though he applauded Don Lemon's dismissal:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

Will be interesting to see how Trump ultimately spins this ....


One of the tv talking heads suggested Trump fears that Tucker is going to declare himself a candidate for the Presidency. I think it was on msnbc.

I found that ridiculous, laughable, preposterous.
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dimitrig said:

OsoDorado said:

Fascinating there has been no comment from Trump so far, even though he applauded Don Lemon's dismissal:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

Will be interesting to see how Trump ultimately spins this ....

I am sure Trump is going to call Tucker a two-faced liar and applaud his termination.




tRump is going to invite Tucker to Mar a Lago for a game of Boar on the Floor with Don, Jr., Eric, Tiffany, Rudy, and Guilfoyle (who oinks for the sausage like no one else).






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Tucker Carlson Gets an Offer From Russia State Media


https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-gets-offer-russia-state-media-1796379
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My bet was on Hungary and Viktor Orban.
Tucker has a poster of Orban on his bedroom wall.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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dimitrig said:

OsoDorado said:

Fascinating there has been no comment from Trump so far, even though he applauded Don Lemon's dismissal:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

Will be interesting to see how Trump ultimately spins this ....

I am sure Trump is going to call Tucker a two-faced liar and applaud his termination.








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okaydo said:

dimitrig said:

OsoDorado said:

Fascinating there has been no comment from Trump so far, even though he applauded Don Lemon's dismissal:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

Will be interesting to see how Trump ultimately spins this ....

I am sure Trump is going to call Tucker a two-faced liar and applaud his termination.











Not what I expected. I think Trump must feel Tucker's texts are alternative facts.

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It was so surreal.

Fox News announces Tucker Carlson's ouster at around 8:30 am.




Then 45 minutes later, Don Lemon announces his ouster from CNN.



Usually, when somebody is fired, it's done at the end of the week so that it'll blow over by Monday.


But here's Don Lemon *this morning* on CNN.




I'd like to read the oral history of all this. Usually you announce big news off of another big news story in an effort to sweep it under the table. But Don Lemon reportedly upset CNN by breaking the news of his firing. CNN wanted to do it gently.


Meanwhile, the other big cable news story is completely buried.





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The San Francisco Chronicle knew Tucker would be destined for greatness.

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okaydo said:

It was so surreal.

Fox News announces Tucker Carlson's ouster at around 8:30 am.




Then 45 minutes later, Don Lemon announces his ouster from CNN.



Usually, when somebody is fired, it's done at the end of the week so that it'll blow over by Monday.


But here's Don Lemon *this morning* on CNN.




I'd like to read the oral history of all this. Usually you announce big news off of another big news story in an effort to sweep it under the table. But Don Lemon reportedly upset CNN by breaking the news of his firing. CNN wanted to do it gently.


Meanwhile, the other big cable news story is completely buried.








I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating rice cakes.
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"He could easily destroy us if we play it wrong," Carlson wrote about Trump on Nov. 5

Dear Tucker,
You played it wrong.
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She looks like a nasty "goer."
Elvis once said that the only "sure things" in life are Coupe De Villes and girls like her.

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concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

dimitrig said:

concordtom said:

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has not been pleased with a number of interviews Fox News hosts and pundits have conducted with former President Trump in recent weeks.

"In recent weeks I've watched 3hrs of FOX interviews of Trump All I hear is history," Grassley tweeted on Sunday night. "Why hv hannity tucker and levin never asked him abt future WHAT TRUMP WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH IN HIS NEXT TERM. Elections are abt the future not the past."


Since announcing his bid for the Republican nomination for president in 2024, Trump has sat with hosts Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Mark Levin for wide-ranging interviews.

He has no plans for the future. I doubt he even wants to be President except for the adulation. He has no interest in governing. He proved that the first time.
This time Trump's running for the adulation and for the revenge.

Uh, what did you think it was the first time?
Adulation and money. I'd add money this time too.
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dimitrig said:

okaydo said:

dimitrig said:

OsoDorado said:

Fascinating there has been no comment from Trump so far, even though he applauded Don Lemon's dismissal:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

Will be interesting to see how Trump ultimately spins this ....

I am sure Trump is going to call Tucker a two-faced liar and applaud his termination.











Not what I expected. I think Trump must feel Tucker's texts are alternative facts.



The truth is,
They both fear each other, and want to use each other. Neither stands for anything grand. Little men. Dangerous, warped little men.
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lil conservative humor

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Now that's funny
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okaydo said:

The San Francisco Chronicle knew Tucker would be destined for greatness.




Ha!
A Russian translator friend of mine was friends with Pat Montandon!!
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Tucker was a $$-Liability-$$.

At least now Fox can tell SmartMatic, "At least we've fired him now! Haven't we done enough?"
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FOX will lose its a** on Smartmatic too!

So will this clown along with Giuliani, Jeanne Pirro, and Sidney Powell.

Kind of strange that Fox fires Tucker, but has kept Maria B. and Jeanine Pirro.




"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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Tucker was the highest rated cable host among young Dems beating out Russia enthusiast, Rachel Maddow.
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dimitrig said:

DiabloWags said:

Why even ask someone who has a record of spewing "twisted" logic to explain himself?

"Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril. When you are ignorant of the enemy, but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril."

Sun Tzu, The Art of War




"NEVER ARGUE WITH STUPID PEOPLE. THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE."
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GoOskie said:

dimitrig said:

DiabloWags said:

Why even ask someone who has a record of spewing "twisted" logic to explain himself?

"Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril. When you are ignorant of the enemy, but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril."

Sun Tzu, The Art of War




"NEVER ARGUE WITH STUPID PEOPLE. THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE."

BINGO.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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BearHunter said:



Tucker was the highest rated cable host among young Dems beating out Russia enthusiast, Rachel Maddow.
Now Fox, MSNBC, and CNN are in roughly the same position.

The average age of their viewers is about 70, and their following in the Target Demographic (18 to 55) is irrelevant. Their main sources of revenue are corporate advertising and cable subscription fees.

Unfortunately (for them), the number of cable news viewers is declining. They're dying off, and they're not being replaced by younger viewers, who can't afford the cable fees, and who have zero interest in the cable content.

The future of the news & political opinion business is streaming content via YouTube & various online non-cable platforms, in a subscriber-based business model.

The two most popular cable news personalities, as of last week, were Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow. But Tucker is now gone, and Rachel is down to one segment per week.

Cable news, as a platform, is in a state of "managed decline". They're not going to be investing in the expansion of their viewer base. That ship has sailed.

Case in point: CNN Plus.

CNN tried to create their own online streaming platform, projecting that they would have millions of paid subscribers in short order. However, their cable subscribers already watch them on cable, and weren't about to download an app to watch them on a smartphone or a computer.

Besides, no one under the age of 55 had any interest in their corporate-sponsored gaslighting, nor would they actually pay for it.

Here's the story of CNN's epic failure with CNN Plus:
https://www.theverge.com/23043232/cnn-plus-axios-chat-shut-down-streaming-news

In short, they spent about $300M to launch it, and after one month, they had 150k paying subscribers, generating $900k/month in subscription fees, to show for it. They spent about $2000 per subscriber to get their $6/month.

To avoid spending another $400M in 2022 alone, CNN Plus died a quiet death after 30 days.


The days of cable/corporate news selecting our political candidates are over.

And the future of news is subscriber-based, without layers of corporate filters.
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cbbass1 said:

BearHunter said:



Tucker was the highest rated cable host among young Dems beating out Russia enthusiast, Rachel Maddow.
Now Fox, MSNBC, and CNN are in roughly the same position.

The average age of their viewers is about 70, and their following in the Target Demographic (18 to 55) is irrelevant. Their main sources of revenue are corporate advertising and cable subscription fees.

Unfortunately (for them), the number of cable news viewers is declining. They're dying off, and they're not being replaced by younger viewers, who can't afford the cable fees, and who have zero interest in the cable content.

The future of the news & political opinion business is streaming content via YouTube & various online non-cable platforms, in a subscriber-based business model.

The two most popular cable news personalities, as of last week, were Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow. But Tucker is now gone, and Rachel is down to one segment per week.

Cable news, as a platform, is in a state of "managed decline". They're not going to be investing in the expansion of their viewer base. That ship has sailed.

Case in point: CNN Plus.

CNN tried to create their own online streaming platform, projecting that they would have millions of paid subscribers in short order. However, their cable subscribers already watch them on cable, and weren't about to download an app to watch them on a smartphone or a computer.

Besides, no one under the age of 55 had any interest in their corporate-sponsored gaslighting, nor would they actually pay for it.

Here's the story of CNN's epic failure with CNN Plus:
https://www.theverge.com/23043232/cnn-plus-axios-chat-shut-down-streaming-news

In short, they spent about $300M to launch it, and after one month, they had 150k paying subscribers, generating $900k/month in subscription fees, to show for it. They spent about $2000 per subscriber to get their $6/month.

To avoid spending another $400M in 2022 alone, CNN Plus died a quiet death after 30 days.


The days of cable/corporate news selecting our political candidates are over.

And the future of news is subscriber-based, without layers of corporate filters.

Some good points, but I take issue with your last sentence.

Subscriber-based models of news consumption have existed for a long time in the form of newspapers. Free radio and television broadcasts took some of that subscriber base away, but people who read newspapers still do except mostly the online versions.

I don't think the future of news will be any more subscriber-based than it is now. As you say, CNN and CNN Plus (both subscriber-based) are losing viewers.

YouTube and Twitter provide a lot of news content, but I don't think you will find people wanting to pay for it. I am not even willing to pay for the online newspapers.

The future of news will continue to be free because it is now what we expect as a society after so many years of free radio and television news.

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dimitrig said:

cbbass1 said:

BearHunter said:



Tucker was the highest rated cable host among young Dems beating out Russia enthusiast, Rachel Maddow.
Now Fox, MSNBC, and CNN are in roughly the same position.

The average age of their viewers is about 70, and their following in the Target Demographic (18 to 55) is irrelevant. Their main sources of revenue are corporate advertising and cable subscription fees.

Unfortunately (for them), the number of cable news viewers is declining. They're dying off, and they're not being replaced by younger viewers, who can't afford the cable fees, and who have zero interest in the cable content.

The future of the news & political opinion business is streaming content via YouTube & various online non-cable platforms, in a subscriber-based business model.

The two most popular cable news personalities, as of last week, were Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow. But Tucker is now gone, and Rachel is down to one segment per week.

Cable news, as a platform, is in a state of "managed decline". They're not going to be investing in the expansion of their viewer base. That ship has sailed.

Case in point: CNN Plus.

CNN tried to create their own online streaming platform, projecting that they would have millions of paid subscribers in short order. However, their cable subscribers already watch them on cable, and weren't about to download an app to watch them on a smartphone or a computer.

Besides, no one under the age of 55 had any interest in their corporate-sponsored gaslighting, nor would they actually pay for it.

Here's the story of CNN's epic failure with CNN Plus:
https://www.theverge.com/23043232/cnn-plus-axios-chat-shut-down-streaming-news

In short, they spent about $300M to launch it, and after one month, they had 150k paying subscribers, generating $900k/month in subscription fees, to show for it. They spent about $2000 per subscriber to get their $6/month.

To avoid spending another $400M in 2022 alone, CNN Plus died a quiet death after 30 days.


The days of cable/corporate news selecting our political candidates are over.

And the future of news is subscriber-based, without layers of corporate filters.

Some good points, but I take issue with your last sentence.

Subscriber-based models of news consumption have existed for a long time in the form of newspapers. Free radio and television broadcasts took some of that subscriber base away, but people who read newspapers still do except mostly the online versions.

I don't think the future of news will be any more subscriber-based than it is now. As you say, CNN and CNN Plus (both subscriber-based) are losing viewers.

YouTube and Twitter provide a lot of news content, but I don't think you will find people wanting to pay for it. I am not even willing to pay for the online newspapers.

The future of news will continue to be free because it is now what we expect as a society after so many years of free radio and television news.














I agree with you.

There is "free" and there is free. No news is free. Even whackos who are posting non-sense TikTok on both sides are trying to monetize their content through ad revenue.

Fox will survive Tucker Carlson, just like they survived Glen Beck leaving and survived Bill O'Reilly leaving.

People have been predicting the death of Fox News for years, but they still have higher rating than most things on TV.

And yes, their demographics are older, but, guess what, even young people age. The baby boomers were once hippies.

CNN Plus was just crap, and there was no reason for people to pay. And most streaming services for now are losing money. Heck, even quality TV like Disney Plus and HBO Max lose money hand over fist.

News is not going anywhere, and local news and Yahoo will not supplant CNNs and Fox News of the world since they don't have the budget to cover geopolitical events.
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OMG,
I watched this speech/interview video of Tucker apparently the night before he was fired.
What a pompous idiot.

At the end, the host (Heritage Foundation) threw shade at him and said, "if things ever go south for you at Fox, there's always a home for you at Heritage".

The host also complained jokingly that Tucker filibustered the interview time by making his first point 7 times in his speech and so there was only time left for 2 questions.

I swear, if you hate Tucker, you'll hate him even more.
And if you like Tucker, you'll hate him, too

BTW, I hate Tucker. Could you tell?
He's my age and we have a fair bit in common. Except that he's the opposite of me in all his ways.

DiabloWags
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Shares of News Corp have lost $500 million since Tucker was canned.

Where are all of the "woke" anti-Trans (Budweiser) posters today?
Why arent they outraged at Fox for costing shareholders money?

I guess they dont have any skin in the game.
Big Hat .... No Cattle.

Shocker.



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DiabloWags said:

Shares of News Corp have lost $500 million since Tucker was canned.

Where are all of the "woke" anti-Trans (Budweiser) posters today?
Why arent they outraged at Fox for costing shareholders money?

I guess they dont have any skin in the game.
Big Hat .... No Cattle.

Shocker.




Budweiser canned the folks who starred an immature transvestite woman-child in an ad campaign. They lost market share and market cap. Fox canned a popular but controversial and dishonest host who they saw as a liability. They will lose market share and lost market cap. What specifically are you trolling? Are you turning this topic into one of your stock price tirades? Which semi-famous person are you going to reference your friendship with?
 
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