heartofthebear said:

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concordtom said:

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heartofthebear said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Can anyone identify the author of this poem?

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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness
That most frightens us.

We ask ourselves
Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?
Actually, who are you not to be?
You are a child of God.

Your playing small
Does not serve the world.
There's nothing enlightened about shrinking
So that other people won't feel insecure around you.

We are all meant to shine,
As children do.
We were born to make manifest
The glory of God that is within us.

It's not just in some of us;
It's in everyone.

And as we let our own light shine,
We unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we're liberated from our own fear,
Our presence automatically liberates others.

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Reply with your guesses. See if you can get it without resorting to a search engine!

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IIRC that was at least said by Marianne Williamson, current and past alternative presidential candidate and long time teacher and devotee of "A Course In Miracles", which is a modern day Christian text. I believe I was there in person when she said that. It is also on youtube recited by an african american man (forget the name) and this was presented at a real estate investing seminar I was attending.

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I've a couple people in my family who have been pretty intimately involved with A Course In Miracles. I first came to know of it in the mid-70's.

Christian???
I've never heard that before.

Congratulations on winning the contest, which I still don't know what inspired it.

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I have been in a Course in Miracles groups and the implication is that it is some of Christ's real teachings. In that respect you are right to question if it is actually Christian, if you believe that Christianity often veers away from the true teachings. It's possible that I just assumed it was Christ's teachings so I will look it up. The history behind the book is in the book itself, which I have. I seem to recall that it was a collaboration of two people and was the result of one or both "channeling" the information. It is certainly very inspired and has the essence of western spirituality.

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I grew up with ACIM groups on our house, 1977-9. Also meditation and who knows what else those adults were doing. My mom divorced and then took a dive into New Age type stuff.

I've heard the story of Helen Schucmam a dozen times. She heard a voice and it told her starting writing.
She was freaked out and so asked colleague Bill Thetford what to do. He thought, uh, well, why not just do so.

So she'd just start and stop and pick it up when she could. The voice would follow her schedule.

It all sounded too much for a kid to believe, and I still don't know what to think. I have the book, never read. Not even a bit. I imagine that's partially because the chapter is associated with my parents divorce.

When my mom married a man who mixed in both Christian and New Age groups, the Fundamentalists thought my mom was a kooky Californian. They certainly don't accept any bit of ACIM as being Christian, though Wikipedia says "the source" is thought to be Jesus.

What to you are the biggest or best take aways from your study of ACIM? I think there's some wisdom there, but I dunno what it is.
Thanks in advance.

Unit2Sucks said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Y E S S S ! ! ! ! Ding ding ding!!

heartofthebear wins it!!

Marianne Williamson is the original author of the poem, but it's been cited most often [incorrectly] as Nelson Mandela's Inauguration Speech.

You were there?? Do tell!

Here's Marianne Williamson's Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne_Williamson

...and her 2024 campaign website: https://marianne2024.com/

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The stories that came out in the aftermath of her 2020 campaign about how she treated her staff were pretty bad. I wouldn't expect her to do much in 2024.

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She's not a serious candidate. Maybe she and Andrew Yang will eventually figure out why they learned the wrong lesson from America's mistake in electing Trump in 2016.

I'm all for people deciding to become public servants but I won't take anyone seriously who runs for president as their first act of public service. Just like I wouldn't draft a QB who's never touched a football or hire a CEO who's never had a job.

Smacks of incredible hubris and lack of self-awareness to think you can go from self-help guru (or whatever she is) to US President without proving yourself capable in any capacity.

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The problem with Trump being inexperienced wasn't the inexperience. It was that he was a narcissist, a criminal and didn't respect the establishment. If Williamson and/or Yang surround themselves with experienced people and actually follow their advice, their presidency will not have the same problems that Trump had.

Your example about QBs and CEOs is kind of inappropriate but essentially what you are saying is that you would rather draft a QB who is guaranteed to lose you every game than try someone new. Because that is what is happening in politics right now. Both major parties have put up total losers and the parties themselves have abandoned their commitment to the people. Also, there have been plenty of examples in America of people going into politics from other fields and having immediate success in various areas of government--local, state and national.

In my state, California, Arnold Shwarkzaneger (sp?) was elected governor with no experience. I am not a Republican and did not vote for him but he did an OK job, iirc.

So I respectfully disagree because I do understand your position and why you have it.

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It's an uncompensated risk. Sure, Yang, Williamson or a cardboard cutout would have done a better job than Trump but is that the standard for the greatest nation on earth? What benefit do we have from rolling the dice on someone for the most important job on the planet (well maybe second to chairman of the fed)?

Williamson is not a legitimate candidate. Neither was Yang. Neither was Trump.

Your point about drafting a losing QB is inapt because it presumes that there are no QBs in the draft who have won games. Teams can workout a QB during the draft process. They can talk to their coaches. They can examine tape. Elections work more or less the same - you have the benefit of examining someone's record, not just their sound bites. We have no way to diligence people like Yang and Williamson. They are just talkers with no records to speak of and apparently the only public service job they think is interesting enough for them is POTUS. That smacks of both narcissism (all too common in politics) and an incredible disinterest in what our country truly needs.

Just to be clear, I get that both Williamson and Yang think they would make better presidents than the other candidates. Most people like their own ideas and think they can make good decisions. But you need to have enough self-awareness to understand that our country can do a hell of a lot better than rolling the dice with a walk-on for President.

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I agree completely, but that is also the reason I could not trust Biden next time even though I voted for him in 2020. His deterioration seems to be accelerating, and anyone who has older parents knows what follows. We can do better than an 80 year old who is already significantly slower than he was 10 years ago. Biden from 10 years ago would be an easy pick. That Biden would also have recognized that we need someone younger. This Biden seems to be a bit more of a narcissist and power hungry and also tainted with unnecessary scent of corruption from his idiot son. Let the next generation of leaders take over instead of wading through until he is 85 years old. The thought of Trump being President again because Biden didn't know when to exit stage is infuriating.

calbear93 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Y E S S S ! ! ! ! Ding ding ding!!

heartofthebear wins it!!

Marianne Williamson is the original author of the poem, but it's been cited most often [incorrectly] as Nelson Mandela's Inauguration Speech.

You were there?? Do tell!

Here's Marianne Williamson's Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne_Williamson

...and her 2024 campaign website: https://marianne2024.com/

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The stories that came out in the aftermath of her 2020 campaign about how she treated her staff were pretty bad. I wouldn't expect her to do much in 2024.

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She's not a serious candidate. Maybe she and Andrew Yang will eventually figure out why they learned the wrong lesson from America's mistake in electing Trump in 2016.

I'm all for people deciding to become public servants but I won't take anyone seriously who runs for president as their first act of public service. Just like I wouldn't draft a QB who's never touched a football or hire a CEO who's never had a job.

Smacks of incredible hubris and lack of self-awareness to think you can go from self-help guru (or whatever she is) to US President without proving yourself capable in any capacity.

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The problem with Trump being inexperienced wasn't the inexperience. It was that he was a narcissist, a criminal and didn't respect the establishment. If Williamson and/or Yang surround themselves with experienced people and actually follow their advice, their presidency will not have the same problems that Trump had.

Your example about QBs and CEOs is kind of inappropriate but essentially what you are saying is that you would rather draft a QB who is guaranteed to lose you every game than try someone new. Because that is what is happening in politics right now. Both major parties have put up total losers and the parties themselves have abandoned their commitment to the people. Also, there have been plenty of examples in America of people going into politics from other fields and having immediate success in various areas of government--local, state and national.

In my state, California, Arnold Shwarkzaneger (sp?) was elected governor with no experience. I am not a Republican and did not vote for him but he did an OK job, iirc.

So I respectfully disagree because I do understand your position and why you have it.

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It's an uncompensated risk. Sure, Yang, Williamson or a cardboard cutout would have done a better job than Trump but is that the standard for the greatest nation on earth? What benefit do we have from rolling the dice on someone for the most important job on the planet (well maybe second to chairman of the fed)?

Williamson is not a legitimate candidate. Neither was Yang. Neither was Trump.

Your point about drafting a losing QB is inapt because it presumes that there are no QBs in the draft who have won games. Teams can workout a QB during the draft process. They can talk to their coaches. They can examine tape. Elections work more or less the same - you have the benefit of examining someone's record, not just their sound bites. We have no way to diligence people like Yang and Williamson. They are just talkers with no records to speak of and apparently the only public service job they think is interesting enough for them is POTUS. That smacks of both narcissism (all too common in politics) and an incredible disinterest in what our country truly needs.

Just to be clear, I get that both Williamson and Yang think they would make better presidents than the other candidates. Most people like their own ideas and think they can make good decisions. But you need to have enough self-awareness to understand that our country can do a hell of a lot better than rolling the dice with a walk-on for President.

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I agree completely, but that is also the reason I could not trust Biden next time even though I voted for him in 2020. His deterioration seems to be accelerating, and anyone who has older parents knows what follows. We can do better than an 80 year old who is already significantly slower than he was 10 years ago. Biden from 10 years ago would be an easy pick. That Biden would also have recognized that we need someone younger. This Biden seems to be a bit more of a narcissist and power hungry and also tainted with unnecessary scent of corruption from his idiot son. Let the next generation of leaders take over instead of wading through until he is 85 years old. The thought of Trump being President again because Biden didn't know when to exit stage is infuriating.

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I would rather that there were someone else as well but Biden already has the apparatus and there is no reasonable alternative. There are adults in charge now and if Biden goes the way of Reagan in his second term I would still have confidence in the team to govern competently.

I'm guessing you wouldn't take some random person off the street with no experience in government, no network and no track record to be POTUS. I think the safe choice is the prudent one here.

Most true conservatives would agree with me but the new conservatives aren't actually conservative and would elect someone like Trump or Tucker or Catturd if they had their druthers.

If Biden went out like Feinstein early in his second term, Harris would maintain a functioning government although she would be subjected to withering criticism from the same sort of "conservatives" who wouldn't think twice about electing Libsoftiktok or Elno or some other reactionary.

concordtom said:

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Ruth Bader Ginsberg…. I met her (okay, she was NEAR me) about the same time I met Nelson Mandela.
It's a US woman, Democrat, 90's. She could have written that upon her promotion to the SC.

I thought her some time ago, but I'll guess her now.

If not, back to the drawing board.

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That's cool.

RBG and her husband were my law school commencement speakers. At that point they were just two randoms and I didn't care enough to try to introduce myself to them vs celebrating with my classmates and parents.

Unit2Sucks said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Y E S S S ! ! ! ! Ding ding ding!!

heartofthebear wins it!!

Marianne Williamson is the original author of the poem, but it's been cited most often [incorrectly] as Nelson Mandela's Inauguration Speech.

You were there?? Do tell!

Here's Marianne Williamson's Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne_Williamson

...and her 2024 campaign website: https://marianne2024.com/

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The stories that came out in the aftermath of her 2020 campaign about how she treated her staff were pretty bad. I wouldn't expect her to do much in 2024.

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She's not a serious candidate. Maybe she and Andrew Yang will eventually figure out why they learned the wrong lesson from America's mistake in electing Trump in 2016.

I'm all for people deciding to become public servants but I won't take anyone seriously who runs for president as their first act of public service. Just like I wouldn't draft a QB who's never touched a football or hire a CEO who's never had a job.

Smacks of incredible hubris and lack of self-awareness to think you can go from self-help guru (or whatever she is) to US President without proving yourself capable in any capacity.

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The problem with Trump being inexperienced wasn't the inexperience. It was that he was a narcissist, a criminal and didn't respect the establishment. If Williamson and/or Yang surround themselves with experienced people and actually follow their advice, their presidency will not have the same problems that Trump had.

Your example about QBs and CEOs is kind of inappropriate but essentially what you are saying is that you would rather draft a QB who is guaranteed to lose you every game than try someone new. Because that is what is happening in politics right now. Both major parties have put up total losers and the parties themselves have abandoned their commitment to the people. Also, there have been plenty of examples in America of people going into politics from other fields and having immediate success in various areas of government--local, state and national.

In my state, California, Arnold Shwarkzaneger (sp?) was elected governor with no experience. I am not a Republican and did not vote for him but he did an OK job, iirc.

So I respectfully disagree because I do understand your position and why you have it.

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It's an uncompensated risk. Sure, Yang, Williamson or a cardboard cutout would have done a better job than Trump but is that the standard for the greatest nation on earth? What benefit do we have from rolling the dice on someone for the most important job on the planet (well maybe second to chairman of the fed)?

Williamson is not a legitimate candidate. Neither was Yang. Neither was Trump.

Your point about drafting a losing QB is inapt because it presumes that there are no QBs in the draft who have won games. Teams can workout a QB during the draft process. They can talk to their coaches. They can examine tape. Elections work more or less the same - you have the benefit of examining someone's record, not just their sound bites. We have no way to diligence people like Yang and Williamson. They are just talkers with no records to speak of and apparently the only public service job they think is interesting enough for them is POTUS. That smacks of both narcissism (all too common in politics) and an incredible disinterest in what our country truly needs.

Just to be clear, I get that both Williamson and Yang think they would make better presidents than the other candidates. Most people like their own ideas and think they can make good decisions. But you need to have enough self-awareness to understand that our country can do a hell of a lot better than rolling the dice with a walk-on for President.

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What you are saying, without saying it, is you want another establishment Democrat. Booo on that.

I feel confident that I can evaluate someone's record, even if it is not a political one, and project that into a potential political career. What would be refreshing is to have someone lead our country who cares about people. It is an assumption on your part that the motivation to jump all the way to president rather than earning it like Biden did is based on some sort of personal or character flaw. It might be based on necessity. I watched very closely what all of the candidates for president said during the Democratic primary debates of 2019. I thought that Williamson had better answers to some tough questions than Biden did. Yang also did quite well and impressed me. I am not a naive person or easily swayed by words. But they had solid ideas that could lead the nation.

Too often, establishment Democrats are too conservative and would rather have a fascist than a progressive, even though progressive ideas have shown to be more popular when not attached to a person or a party. I am really sick of the Democratic party trying to move our country to the center...and so are a lot of other people. The good cop/bad cop game played by the Dems. and the Reps. is so tired and worn out and, in the meantime the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

It's time for a change. It's time for an independent. It's time for someone not run by the DNC or the RNC.

Also, you do realize that Biden is polling so badly that he will probably lose to Trump, even if Trump can't campaign because he's in jail. Many folks that voted for Biden are not happy that he is running again.

Also, you talk about a legitimate candidate in the abstract. So I'll clarify what I think. A legitimate candidate is one that gets the most votes or polls the best. We'll see how that plays out. It's true that Williamson did not poll well last time so I probably won't vote for her if that is the case again. You can rest assured that the media will make sure she polls poorly so you will probably get your wish. I'm not so sure about Yang.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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cbbass1 said:

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heartofthebear said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Can anyone identify the author of this poem?

Quote:

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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness
That most frightens us.

We ask ourselves
Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?
Actually, who are you not to be?
You are a child of God.

Your playing small
Does not serve the world.
There's nothing enlightened about shrinking
So that other people won't feel insecure around you.

We are all meant to shine,
As children do.
We were born to make manifest
The glory of God that is within us.

It's not just in some of us;
It's in everyone.

And as we let our own light shine,
We unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we're liberated from our own fear,
Our presence automatically liberates others.

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Reply with your guesses. See if you can get it without resorting to a search engine!

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IIRC that was at least said by Marianne Williamson, current and past alternative presidential candidate and long time teacher and devotee of "A Course In Miracles", which is a modern day Christian text. I believe I was there in person when she said that. It is also on youtube recited by an african american man (forget the name) and this was presented at a real estate investing seminar I was attending.

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Y E S S S ! ! ! ! Ding ding ding!!

heartofthebear wins it!!

Marianne Williamson is the original author of the poem, but it's been cited most often [incorrectly] as Nelson Mandela's Inauguration Speech.

You were there?? Do tell!

Here's Marianne Williamson's Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne_Williamson

...and her 2024 campaign website: https://marianne2024.com/

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The stories that came out in the aftermath of her 2020 campaign about how she treated her staff were pretty bad. I wouldn't expect her to do much in 2024.

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Democracy depends on an informed electorate.

Those "stories" were corporate media hit pieces that were based on anonymous sources. Corporate media will stop at nothing to prevent non-corporate candidates from gaining popularity. That's what they're paid to do.

If you're willing to believe the accounts of an anonymous source as a basis for disqualifying a candidate, then there's even more cause to disqualify Joe Biden based on his sexual assault of Tara Reade.

Do you honestly think that there are any serious candidates in recent history who haven't, at some point, yelled at their staff??

For every candidate, take the time & effort to hear them out, in their own words: their speeches, interviews, website, and debates. What issues are important to them, and what are their positions? How do they handle challenging questions? What are our nation's most challenging problems, and what are their solutions?

For several decades now, we've allowed corporate media to have a disproportionate influence in the selection of our political candidates. I think it's time for us, as Citizens and Voters, to do our own homework, and to give very little -- if any -- weight to the paid preferences of corporate media and their sponsors.

heartofthebear said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Y E S S S ! ! ! ! Ding ding ding!!

heartofthebear wins it!!

Marianne Williamson is the original author of the poem, but it's been cited most often [incorrectly] as Nelson Mandela's Inauguration Speech.

You were there?? Do tell!

Here's Marianne Williamson's Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne_Williamson

...and her 2024 campaign website: https://marianne2024.com/

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The stories that came out in the aftermath of her 2020 campaign about how she treated her staff were pretty bad. I wouldn't expect her to do much in 2024.

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She's not a serious candidate. Maybe she and Andrew Yang will eventually figure out why they learned the wrong lesson from America's mistake in electing Trump in 2016.

I'm all for people deciding to become public servants but I won't take anyone seriously who runs for president as their first act of public service. Just like I wouldn't draft a QB who's never touched a football or hire a CEO who's never had a job.

Smacks of incredible hubris and lack of self-awareness to think you can go from self-help guru (or whatever she is) to US President without proving yourself capable in any capacity.

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The problem with Trump being inexperienced wasn't the inexperience. It was that he was a narcissist, a criminal and didn't respect the establishment. If Williamson and/or Yang surround themselves with experienced people and actually follow their advice, their presidency will not have the same problems that Trump had.

Your example about QBs and CEOs is kind of inappropriate but essentially what you are saying is that you would rather draft a QB who is guaranteed to lose you every game than try someone new. Because that is what is happening in politics right now. Both major parties have put up total losers and the parties themselves have abandoned their commitment to the people. Also, there have been plenty of examples in America of people going into politics from other fields and having immediate success in various areas of government--local, state and national.

In my state, California, Arnold Shwarkzaneger (sp?) was elected governor with no experience. I am not a Republican and did not vote for him but he did an OK job, iirc.

So I respectfully disagree because I do understand your position and why you have it.

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It's an uncompensated risk. Sure, Yang, Williamson or a cardboard cutout would have done a better job than Trump but is that the standard for the greatest nation on earth? What benefit do we have from rolling the dice on someone for the most important job on the planet (well maybe second to chairman of the fed)?

Williamson is not a legitimate candidate. Neither was Yang. Neither was Trump.

Your point about drafting a losing QB is inapt because it presumes that there are no QBs in the draft who have won games. Teams can workout a QB during the draft process. They can talk to their coaches. They can examine tape. Elections work more or less the same - you have the benefit of examining someone's record, not just their sound bites. We have no way to diligence people like Yang and Williamson. They are just talkers with no records to speak of and apparently the only public service job they think is interesting enough for them is POTUS. That smacks of both narcissism (all too common in politics) and an incredible disinterest in what our country truly needs.

Just to be clear, I get that both Williamson and Yang think they would make better presidents than the other candidates. Most people like their own ideas and think they can make good decisions. But you need to have enough self-awareness to understand that our country can do a hell of a lot better than rolling the dice with a walk-on for President.

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What you are saying, without saying it, is you want another establishment Democrat. Booo on that.

I feel confident that I can evaluate someone's record, even if it is not a political one, and project that into a potential political career. What would be refreshing is to have someone lead our country who cares about people. It is an assumption on your part that the motivation to jump all the way to president rather than earning it like Biden did is based on some sort of personal or character flaw. It might be based on necessity. I watched very closely what all of the candidates for president said during the Democratic primary debates of 2019. I thought that Williamson had better answers to some tough questions than Biden did. Yang also did quite well and impressed me. I am not a naive person or easily swayed by words. But they had solid ideas that could lead the nation.

Too often, establishment Democrats are too conservative and would rather have a fascist than a progressive, even though progressive ideas have shown to be more popular when not attached to a person or a party. I am really sick of the Democratic party trying to move our country to the center...and so are a lot of other people. The good cop/bad cop game played by the Dems. and the Reps. is so tired and worn out and, in the meantime the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

It's time for a change. It's time for an independent. It's time for someone not run by the DNC or the RNC.

Also, you do realize that Biden is polling so badly that he will probably lose to Trump, even if Trump can't campaign because he's in jail. Many folks that voted for Biden are not happy that he is running again.

Also, you talk about a legitimate candidate in the abstract. So I'll clarify what I think. A legitimate candidate is one that gets the most votes or polls the best. We'll see how that plays out. It's true that Williamson did not poll well last time so I probably won't vote for her if that is the case again. You can rest assured that the media will make sure she polls poorly so you will probably get your wish. I'm not so sure about Yang.

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Great point.

In 2020, the establishment Dems thought that the best candidate to eliminate the "threat" of Progressive candidates (Bernie & Elizabeth Warren) was Michael Bloomberg!

Sen. Elizabeth Warren dismantled him in a nationally-televised debate, and he never recovered.

Corporate media thought Bloomberg was a "legitimate candidate." Democratic Voters, not so much.

After Bernie won in Nevada, Obama & the establishment Dems circled the wagons, selected Biden as the only one who could beat Bernie in South Carolina, got Clyburn's endorsement, ordered Buttegieg & Klobuchar to step aside, and set MSNBC into full-on "Red Scare" mode (Chris Matthews Rants Against Socialism, Bernie Sanders) If not for that massive strategic move -- and Covid-19, which severely limited Bernie's rallies and door-to-door campaigning, Bernie had a great opportunity to pull off the upset -- at least in the popular vote.

The corporate media never considered Sanders a "legitimate candidate," either.

We are assuming Biden makes it to the election.

He could, God forbid, have a stroke or break a hip and die.

If that were to happen during the primaries, say, who would the Dems put forward?

As is often the case in people with early stage dementia, Biden's overall health doesn't seem so bad, he looks physically fit enough, though he has the gait of someone afflicted with dementia. One thing geriatricians do to get a very general assessment of a patient's health is to shake hands with them, asking them to squeeze hard, as the firmness of a handshake has been found to have a positive correlation with life expectancy. Biden's grip is probably pretty firm, the problem with his ageing is between his ears.

Cbass - Bernie has largely been a disappointment, he is not the outsider many thought he was back in 2016.

As to Williamson, she comes across as a new age guru/opportunist, and she doesn't seem to have any redeeming qualities as far as being a competent problem solver or manager. She is more fit to be running a new age corporate retreat center in Marin than POTUS...

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The corporate media never considered Sanders a "legitimate candidate," either.

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The stock of Bernie Sanders "peaked" just before his interview by Anderson Cooper on "60 Minutes".
Cooper asked Sanders how much all of his "programs" would cost and Sanders couldnt answer the question.

Every middle class family in America knows what their budget is, what their monthly budget is, annual budget, etc.

I think Sanders' inability to answer the question was the knife that popped his balloon. From that point on, it was all DOWNHILL for Bernie. It was an easy talking-point for the Biden campaign to seize upon.

Bernie Sanders' disastrous answer on '60 Minutes' | CNN Politics

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As is often the case in people with early stage dementia, Biden's overall health doesn't seem so bad, he looks physically fit enough, though he has the gait of someone afflicted with dementia. One thing geriatricians do to get a very general assessment of a patient's health is to shake hands with them, asking them to squeeze hard, as the firmness of a handshake has been found to have a positive correlation with life expectancy. Biden's grip is probably pretty firm, the problem with his ageing is between his ears.

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Note: Cal88 isn't a doctor, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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As is often the case in people with early stage dementia, Biden's overall health doesn't seem so bad, he looks physically fit enough, though he has the gait of someone afflicted with dementia. One thing geriatricians do to get a very general assessment of a patient's health is to shake hands with them, asking them to squeeze hard, as the firmness of a handshake has been found to have a positive correlation with life expectancy. Biden's grip is probably pretty firm, the problem with his ageing is between his ears.

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Note: Cal88 isn't a doctor, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

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Hahahahahahhaaaaa!

Cal88 said:

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Biden's grip is probably pretty firm, the problem with his ageing is between his ears.

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Just like Putin.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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As is often the case in people with early stage dementia, Biden's overall health doesn't seem so bad, he looks physically fit enough, though he has the gait of someone afflicted with dementia. One thing geriatricians do to get a very general assessment of a patient's health is to shake hands with them, asking them to squeeze hard, as the firmness of a handshake has been found to have a positive correlation with life expectancy. Biden's grip is probably pretty firm, the problem with his ageing is between his ears.

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Note: Cal88 isn't a doctor, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

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You don't need a PhD to notice that Biden hasn't quite been all there. End of quote.

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Cal88 said:

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As is often the case in people with early stage dementia, Biden's overall health doesn't seem so bad, he looks physically fit enough, though he has the gait of someone afflicted with dementia. One thing geriatricians do to get a very general assessment of a patient's health is to shake hands with them, asking them to squeeze hard, as the firmness of a handshake has been found to have a positive correlation with life expectancy. Biden's grip is probably pretty firm, the problem with his ageing is between his ears.

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Note: Cal88 isn't a doctor, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

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You don't need a PhD to notice that Biden hasn't quite been all there. End of quote.

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You dont need to speak Russian in order to know that your love for Vladimir Putin and all things Russian has no bounds.

dimitrig said:

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We are assuming Biden makes it to the election.

He could, God forbid, have a stroke or break a hip and die.

If that were to happen during the primaries, say, who would the Dems put forward?

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I would nominate Michelle Obama whether she wants to be president or not. Sometimes you have to just step up for the betterment of the country. Every other potential candidate is a dud. Kamala Harris would give us four more years of Trump.

Hugh Hardy.

DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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As is often the case in people with early stage dementia, Biden's overall health doesn't seem so bad, he looks physically fit enough, though he has the gait of someone afflicted with dementia. One thing geriatricians do to get a very general assessment of a patient's health is to shake hands with them, asking them to squeeze hard, as the firmness of a handshake has been found to have a positive correlation with life expectancy. Biden's grip is probably pretty firm, the problem with his ageing is between his ears.

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Note: Cal88 isn't a doctor, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

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You don't need a PhD to notice that Biden hasn't quite been all there. End of quote.

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You dont need to speak Russian in order to know that your love for Vladimir Putin and all things Russian has no bounds.

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Not a big fan of Joe there, or the Dubya-era "you're either with us or against us" mindset here, which ironically is a bit Stalinian or Trotskyite...

calbear93 said:

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dimitrig said:

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We are assuming Biden makes it to the election.

He could, God forbid, have a stroke or break a hip and die.

If that were to happen during the primaries, say, who would the Dems put forward?

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I would nominate Michelle Obama whether she wants to be president or not. Sometimes you have to just step up for the betterment of the country. Every other potential candidate is a dud. Kamala Harris would give us four more years of Trump.

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Well, you can't nominate her if she isn't interested.

So you think the Dems should twist her arm?

dimitrig said:

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calbear93 said:

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dimitrig said:

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We are assuming Biden makes it to the election.

He could, God forbid, have a stroke or break a hip and die.

If that were to happen during the primaries, say, who would the Dems put forward?

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I would nominate Michelle Obama whether she wants to be president or not. Sometimes you have to just step up for the betterment of the country. Every other potential candidate is a dud. Kamala Harris would give us four more years of Trump.

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Well, you can't nominate her if she isn't interested.

So you think the Dems should twist her arm?

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Yes. Guilt usually works for people like her with a moral center. The fact that she doesn't want it makes me want to nominate her even more.

dimitrig said:

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We are assuming Biden makes it to the election.

He could, God forbid, have a stroke or break a hip and die.

If that were to happen during the primaries, say, who would the Dems put forward?

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Next up is VP Kamala Harris.

Talk about problems with staff!!

Recurring pattern for VP Harris:

• Staff prepares extensive, comprehensive notes so that she can prepare for a situation or public appearance;
• Harris doesn't adequately read/understand her staff's preparation materials;
• Harris gets caught flat-footed at public appearance; looks unprepared; visibly uncomfortable in any situation where she might need to make an ad lib public comment;
• Harris then throws her staff under the bus, blaming their preparation materials -- NOT her inadequate understanding of them -- for her poor performance.

Do a search on "Kamala Harris staff turnover [or departures]".

The whole reason for CA moving its 2020 primary elections from June to March (among the earliest in the primary season) was so that Harris would get a big boost & lots of delegates from a WIN in the California Primary.

Fortunately, she was doing so poorly (< 3%) that she dropped out of the race weeks before the CA Primary election -- which was won by Bernie Sanders.

calbear93 said:

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dimitrig said:

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We are assuming Biden makes it to the election.

He could, God forbid, have a stroke or break a hip and die.

If that were to happen during the primaries, say, who would the Dems put forward?

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I would nominate Michelle Obama whether she wants to be president or not. Sometimes you have to just step up for the betterment of the country. Every other potential candidate is a dud. Kamala Harris would give us four more years of Trump.

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Michelle Obama would be personally popular and competent. But she would be committed to getting nothing accomplished -- just like Biden & Harris.

I don't think that Democratic Voters even pay attention to their candidates' campaign promises any more. They know that no one is going to take any action on them. The Democrats represent their donors, and serve their interests -- not mine, and not yours.

cbbass1 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dimitrig said:

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We are assuming Biden makes it to the election.

He could, God forbid, have a stroke or break a hip and die.

If that were to happen during the primaries, say, who would the Dems put forward?

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I would nominate Michelle Obama whether she wants to be president or not. Sometimes you have to just step up for the betterment of the country. Every other potential candidate is a dud. Kamala Harris would give us four more years of Trump.

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Michelle Obama would be personally popular and competent. But she would be committed to getting nothing accomplished -- just like Biden & Harris.

I don't think that Democratic Voters even pay attention to their candidates' campaign promises any more. They know that no one is going to take any action on them. The Democrats represent their donors, and serve their interests -- not mine, and not yours.

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I am still waiting for them to end the SALT caps.

cbbass1 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dimitrig said:

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We are assuming Biden makes it to the election.

He could, God forbid, have a stroke or break a hip and die.

If that were to happen during the primaries, say, who would the Dems put forward?

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I would nominate Michelle Obama whether she wants to be president or not. Sometimes you have to just step up for the betterment of the country. Every other potential candidate is a dud. Kamala Harris would give us four more years of Trump.

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Michelle Obama would be personally popular and competent. But she would be committed to getting nothing accomplished -- just like Biden & Harris.

I don't think that Democratic Voters even pay attention to their candidates' campaign promises any more. They know that no one is going to take any action on them. The Democrats represent their donors, and serve their interests -- not mine, and not yours.

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RFK Jr is positioning himself as the Democrat exception to this rule.

Williamson nails a question on foreign policy:

That portion of the video here. https://t.co/P9fi43DVRr pic.twitter.com/w2rWeaHsOQ

— Daniel Dumbrill (@DanielDumbrill) July 4, 2023

cbbass1 said:

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calbear93 said:

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I would nominate Michelle Obama whether she wants to be president or not. Sometimes you have to just step up for the betterment of the country. Every other potential candidate is a dud. Kamala Harris would give us four more years of Trump.

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Michelle Obama would be personally popular and competent. But she would be committed to getting nothing accomplished -- just like Biden & Harris.

I don't think that Democratic Voters even pay attention to their candidates' campaign promises any more. They know that no one is going to take any action on them. The Democrats represent their donors, and serve their interests -- not mine, and not yours.

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Michelle would be polarizing just like Trump is. She has the disadvantage of having a spouse who is a former president that's unpopular with half the country. And there's no way she's more popular than Biden who received 11 million more votes than her husband.