Trump LOST. Get over it.
Why are you getting caught up on felonies. Big picture: Russiagate was a total and complete scam, a political hoax perpetrated by HRC to divert attention away from her server problems. The CIA had intelligence to that effect. It briefed the President, VP, DOJ and FBI. The former perpetuated the lie to help HRC, the latter became D operatives. Slow it down. Say it out loud. The law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of the federal government are Democratic operatives. If "scandal" makes you feel better than "felony" go with that. This makes Watergate look like children eating ice cream on a warm summer day.calbear93 said:How is that a felony? Did they plant evidence? Are you saying that the only people who may investigate Biden or his son are those who are their fans?MinotStateBeav said:Uhh Strozk was the lead investigator in the Russian probe dude, who promised his girlfriend Page that "we'll get Trump". This sh*t is a felony. There was a whole lot of felonies happening from this to election interference by the FBI's "Missteps".calbear93 said:Yes, but what did the report conclude on them other what we all knew about their dislike of Trump? Did they have the authority to progress the investigation?MinotStateBeav said:Amazing how there's never any charges. Peter Strozk and Lisa Page? jesus christ.calbear93 said:In order for there to be a collusion, there has be an agreement to commit a crime. What was the crime? Or was it that there was consensus on interpretation as to whether there was sufficient basis to progress the investigation? Are there black and white laws on what amount of evidence is sufficient to progress each step of the investigation? Was it that there were some folks at the FBI who didn't like Trump? Were there no one who like Trump? Did the special prosecutor state that the bias impacted their actions or did he conclude otherwise?MinotStateBeav said:They all colluded to bring Trump down in the first place..that's the headline. He says it without saying it. "They went in with bias" lol....so they had an agenda to get him...just not illegally!! They were arresting damn near everyone associated to Trump. Flynn specifically before he was able to even start doing his job in the new Trump white house. They essentially set Flynn up to perjure himself, it was a complete bogus charge.calbear93 said:Seems like a subjective judgment call as opposed to violation of law. Since no one appointed him to the role to make those subjective decisions, he judgment call does not override those of actual appointees who made the call. Unless I am mistaken, he was appointed to see if there were any crimes committed. He didn't find any. Isn't that the headline?MinotStateBeav said:
Jake Tapper weighs inCNN's Jake Tapper and Evan Perez discuss the Durham Report, which suggested no new charges, despite determining that the FBI and DOJ should never have initiated their investigation into Donald Trump, which falsely accused the former President of being a Russian agent:
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 15, 2023
"The⦠pic.twitter.com/jBqECJdFcO
The gist
"Trump never should have been investigated in the first place"
I think it is a relief that Trump actually didn't turn out to be a Russian agent even if the campaign was run by bunch of morons who made it seem like he was.
The FBI Set Flynn Up to Preserve the TrumpRussia Probe
The news media was in on it, continually uncritically spewing what the FBI/CIA was feeding them.
As I stated, these are subjective calls.
Now, if they "set" Flynn up for a crime he did not commit, that would be a crime. Why weren't any charges recommended? Maybe "set up" is not accurate?
How do you see this as an earth shaker and not be bother by the influence that had been exerted by Trump on the Secretary of State of Georgia?
I truly am on the side of law enforcement and don't want to make their difficult job that much harder by second guessing all their subjective decisions and playing Monday morning quarterback unless there was actually a crime committed.Statement on Report by Special Counsel John Durhamhttps://t.co/lcow0ea3mG pic.twitter.com/T4vXqoOMrp
— FBI (@FBI) May 15, 2023
So, please what were the felonies they committed and why are they not charged? Why did the special prosecutor not even suggest any change to the process much less a charge for these "felonies"?
The impetus for the Trump allegations was the HRC produced material, which they knew was false. There was no predicate for investigating. The whole thing was fake.wifeisafurd said:
The Mueller Report concluded that the FBI and independent counsel investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." They also found that the Russians engaged in massive interference in the election. You would think that the FBI and DOJ special counsel did the government and President Trump a service.
I'm not aware there is a simple standard for when to start investigation, but it would seem the size of Russian interference and the accusations made against Trump warranted investigation (indeed, a bipartisan Congressional committee had said the same). Also, the Durham Report accused the FBI of acting negligently, not intentionally or with malice, and that the two major errors in judgement made by the FBI and Justice Department will not happen again due to "corrective actions, which have now been in place for some time." So the idea that the investigation was a political witch-hunt, as claimed by Trump, are not supported by the Durham Report, nor is there any suggestion of collusion by the FBI as claimed in this thread. The Report was submitted to AG Garland, who read it over the weekend and ordered it released without changes.
tequila4kapp said:Why are you getting caught up on felonies. Big picture: Russiagate was a total and complete scam, a political hoax perpetrated by HRC to divert attention away from her server problems. The CIA had intelligence to that effect. It briefed the President, VP, DOJ and FBI. The former perpetuated the lie to help HRC, the latter became D operatives. Slow it down. Say it out loud. The law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of the federal government are Democratic operatives. If "scandal" makes you feel better than "felony" go with that. This makes Watergate look like children eating ice cream on a warm summer day.calbear93 said:How is that a felony? Did they plant evidence? Are you saying that the only people who may investigate Biden or his son are those who are their fans?MinotStateBeav said:Uhh Strozk was the lead investigator in the Russian probe dude, who promised his girlfriend Page that "we'll get Trump". This sh*t is a felony. There was a whole lot of felonies happening from this to election interference by the FBI's "Missteps".calbear93 said:Yes, but what did the report conclude on them other what we all knew about their dislike of Trump? Did they have the authority to progress the investigation?MinotStateBeav said:Amazing how there's never any charges. Peter Strozk and Lisa Page? jesus christ.calbear93 said:In order for there to be a collusion, there has be an agreement to commit a crime. What was the crime? Or was it that there was consensus on interpretation as to whether there was sufficient basis to progress the investigation? Are there black and white laws on what amount of evidence is sufficient to progress each step of the investigation? Was it that there were some folks at the FBI who didn't like Trump? Were there no one who like Trump? Did the special prosecutor state that the bias impacted their actions or did he conclude otherwise?MinotStateBeav said:They all colluded to bring Trump down in the first place..that's the headline. He says it without saying it. "They went in with bias" lol....so they had an agenda to get him...just not illegally!! They were arresting damn near everyone associated to Trump. Flynn specifically before he was able to even start doing his job in the new Trump white house. They essentially set Flynn up to perjure himself, it was a complete bogus charge.calbear93 said:Seems like a subjective judgment call as opposed to violation of law. Since no one appointed him to the role to make those subjective decisions, he judgment call does not override those of actual appointees who made the call. Unless I am mistaken, he was appointed to see if there were any crimes committed. He didn't find any. Isn't that the headline?MinotStateBeav said:
Jake Tapper weighs inCNN's Jake Tapper and Evan Perez discuss the Durham Report, which suggested no new charges, despite determining that the FBI and DOJ should never have initiated their investigation into Donald Trump, which falsely accused the former President of being a Russian agent:
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 15, 2023
"The⦠pic.twitter.com/jBqECJdFcO
The gist
"Trump never should have been investigated in the first place"
I think it is a relief that Trump actually didn't turn out to be a Russian agent even if the campaign was run by bunch of morons who made it seem like he was.
The FBI Set Flynn Up to Preserve the TrumpRussia Probe
The news media was in on it, continually uncritically spewing what the FBI/CIA was feeding them.
As I stated, these are subjective calls.
Now, if they "set" Flynn up for a crime he did not commit, that would be a crime. Why weren't any charges recommended? Maybe "set up" is not accurate?
How do you see this as an earth shaker and not be bother by the influence that had been exerted by Trump on the Secretary of State of Georgia?
I truly am on the side of law enforcement and don't want to make their difficult job that much harder by second guessing all their subjective decisions and playing Monday morning quarterback unless there was actually a crime committed.Statement on Report by Special Counsel John Durhamhttps://t.co/lcow0ea3mG pic.twitter.com/T4vXqoOMrp
— FBI (@FBI) May 15, 2023
So, please what were the felonies they committed and why are they not charged? Why did the special prosecutor not even suggest any change to the process much less a charge for these "felonies"?
calbear93 said:tequila4kapp said:Why are you getting caught up on felonies. Big picture: Russiagate was a total and complete scam, a political hoax perpetrated by HRC to divert attention away from her server problems. The CIA had intelligence to that effect. It briefed the President, VP, DOJ and FBI. The former perpetuated the lie to help HRC, the latter became D operatives. Slow it down. Say it out loud. The law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of the federal government are Democratic operatives. If "scandal" makes you feel better than "felony" go with that. This makes Watergate look like children eating ice cream on a warm summer day.calbear93 said:How is that a felony? Did they plant evidence? Are you saying that the only people who may investigate Biden or his son are those who are their fans?MinotStateBeav said:Uhh Strozk was the lead investigator in the Russian probe dude, who promised his girlfriend Page that "we'll get Trump". This sh*t is a felony. There was a whole lot of felonies happening from this to election interference by the FBI's "Missteps".calbear93 said:Yes, but what did the report conclude on them other what we all knew about their dislike of Trump? Did they have the authority to progress the investigation?MinotStateBeav said:Amazing how there's never any charges. Peter Strozk and Lisa Page? jesus christ.calbear93 said:In order for there to be a collusion, there has be an agreement to commit a crime. What was the crime? Or was it that there was consensus on interpretation as to whether there was sufficient basis to progress the investigation? Are there black and white laws on what amount of evidence is sufficient to progress each step of the investigation? Was it that there were some folks at the FBI who didn't like Trump? Were there no one who like Trump? Did the special prosecutor state that the bias impacted their actions or did he conclude otherwise?MinotStateBeav said:They all colluded to bring Trump down in the first place..that's the headline. He says it without saying it. "They went in with bias" lol....so they had an agenda to get him...just not illegally!! They were arresting damn near everyone associated to Trump. Flynn specifically before he was able to even start doing his job in the new Trump white house. They essentially set Flynn up to perjure himself, it was a complete bogus charge.calbear93 said:Seems like a subjective judgment call as opposed to violation of law. Since no one appointed him to the role to make those subjective decisions, he judgment call does not override those of actual appointees who made the call. Unless I am mistaken, he was appointed to see if there were any crimes committed. He didn't find any. Isn't that the headline?MinotStateBeav said:
Jake Tapper weighs inCNN's Jake Tapper and Evan Perez discuss the Durham Report, which suggested no new charges, despite determining that the FBI and DOJ should never have initiated their investigation into Donald Trump, which falsely accused the former President of being a Russian agent:
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 15, 2023
"The⦠pic.twitter.com/jBqECJdFcO
The gist
"Trump never should have been investigated in the first place"
I think it is a relief that Trump actually didn't turn out to be a Russian agent even if the campaign was run by bunch of morons who made it seem like he was.
The FBI Set Flynn Up to Preserve the TrumpRussia Probe
The news media was in on it, continually uncritically spewing what the FBI/CIA was feeding them.
As I stated, these are subjective calls.
Now, if they "set" Flynn up for a crime he did not commit, that would be a crime. Why weren't any charges recommended? Maybe "set up" is not accurate?
How do you see this as an earth shaker and not be bother by the influence that had been exerted by Trump on the Secretary of State of Georgia?
I truly am on the side of law enforcement and don't want to make their difficult job that much harder by second guessing all their subjective decisions and playing Monday morning quarterback unless there was actually a crime committed.Statement on Report by Special Counsel John Durhamhttps://t.co/lcow0ea3mG pic.twitter.com/T4vXqoOMrp
— FBI (@FBI) May 15, 2023
So, please what were the felonies they committed and why are they not charged? Why did the special prosecutor not even suggest any change to the process much less a charge for these "felonies"?
I am focusing on felonies because the poster I was quoting said the FBI engaged in felonies.
Now, did they collaborate with Clinton and started the investigation knowing the the source document was suspect or did they have an obligation to investigate such a critical issue relating to potential foreign interference? They didn't bring any charges. I would rather they do their diligence. I don't see what the FBI did as scandalous but more along the lines of not engaging in pristine process with rushed decisions made by humans without clear evidence of malice.
If you don't have evidence showing collaboration between the FBI and Clinton's campaign, you cannot impute the intentions of her campaign to the FBI.
GoOskie said:
Tucker Carlson has been awfully quiet today.
BearHunter said:It's best to leave him alone, he had a bad today. Needs a Bud Light, like, right now.oski003 said:Tapper. It is literally at the top of this page.DiabloWags said:
Jake who?
MinotStateBeav said:
Amazing how there's never any charges. Peter Strozk and Lisa Page? jesus christ.
calbear93 said:Yes, but what did the report conclude on them other what we all knew about their dislike of Trump? Did they have the authority to progress the investigation?MinotStateBeav said:Amazing how there's never any charges. Peter Strozk and Lisa Page? jesus christ.calbear93 said:In order for there to be a collusion, there has be an agreement to commit a crime. What was the crime? Or was it that there was consensus on interpretation as to whether there was sufficient basis to progress the investigation? Are there black and white laws on what amount of evidence is sufficient to progress each step of the investigation? Was it that there were some folks at the FBI who didn't like Trump? Were there no one who like Trump? Did the special prosecutor state that the bias impacted their actions or did he conclude otherwise?MinotStateBeav said:They all colluded to bring Trump down in the first place..that's the headline. He says it without saying it. "They went in with bias" lol....so they had an agenda to get him...just not illegally!! They were arresting damn near everyone associated to Trump. Flynn specifically before he was able to even start doing his job in the new Trump white house. They essentially set Flynn up to perjure himself, it was a complete bogus charge.calbear93 said:Seems like a subjective judgment call as opposed to violation of law. Since no one appointed him to the role to make those subjective decisions, he judgment call does not override those of actual appointees who made the call. Unless I am mistaken, he was appointed to see if there were any crimes committed. He didn't find any. Isn't that the headline?MinotStateBeav said:
Jake Tapper weighs inCNN's Jake Tapper and Evan Perez discuss the Durham Report, which suggested no new charges, despite determining that the FBI and DOJ should never have initiated their investigation into Donald Trump, which falsely accused the former President of being a Russian agent:
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 15, 2023
"The⦠pic.twitter.com/jBqECJdFcO
The gist
"Trump never should have been investigated in the first place"
I think it is a relief that Trump actually didn't turn out to be a Russian agent even if the campaign was run by bunch of morons who made it seem like he was.
The FBI Set Flynn Up to Preserve the TrumpRussia Probe
The news media was in on it, continually uncritically spewing what the FBI/CIA was feeding them.
As I stated, these are subjective calls.
Now, if they "set" Flynn up for a crime he did not commit, that would be a crime. Why weren't any charges recommended? Maybe "set up" is not accurate?
How do you see this as an earth shaker and not be bother by the influence that had been exerted by Trump on the Secretary of State of Georgia?
I truly am on the side of law enforcement and don't want to make their difficult job that much harder by second guessing all their subjective decisions and playing Monday morning quarterback unless there was actually a crime committed.
tequila4kapp said:The impetus for the Trump allegations was the HRC produced material, which they knew was false. There was no predicate for investigating. The whole thing was fake.wifeisafurd said:
The Mueller Report concluded that the FBI and independent counsel investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." They also found that the Russians engaged in massive interference in the election. You would think that the FBI and DOJ special counsel did the government and President Trump a service.
I'm not aware there is a simple standard for when to start investigation, but it would seem the size of Russian interference and the accusations made against Trump warranted investigation (indeed, a bipartisan Congressional committee had said the same). Also, the Durham Report accused the FBI of acting negligently, not intentionally or with malice, and that the two major errors in judgement made by the FBI and Justice Department will not happen again due to "corrective actions, which have now been in place for some time." So the idea that the investigation was a political witch-hunt, as claimed by Trump, are not supported by the Durham Report, nor is there any suggestion of collusion by the FBI as claimed in this thread. The Report was submitted to AG Garland, who read it over the weekend and ordered it released without changes.
In 2016, the FBI tried to change the presidential election.
— šŗšø Mike Davis šŗšø (@mrddmia) May 16, 2023
By falsely accusing a presidential candidate of colluding with our enemy.
In 2020, the FBI changed the presidential election.
By hiding that a presidential candidate took bribes from our enemy.
FBI Director's spin: pic.twitter.com/iT6Ep8jwE6
Friendly reminder that Trump has a defamation lawsuit against CNN for defaming him about Russia collusion
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) May 15, 2023
He wants $475 million in punitive damages
After Durhamās report, Iād say that his chances of winning nearly half a billion dollars just improvedhttps://t.co/5LYjGIwCbI
Not sure who DC Draino is, but anyone who thinks any defamation lawsuit from Drumpf will go anywhere is a maroon.MinotStateBeav said:Friendly reminder that Trump has a defamation lawsuit against CNN for defaming him about Russia collusion
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) May 15, 2023
He wants $475 million in punitive damages
After Durhamās report, Iād say that his chances of winning nearly half a billion dollars just improvedhttps://t.co/5LYjGIwCbI
Unit2Sucks said:Not sure who DC Draino is, but anyone who thinks any defamation lawsuit from Drumpf will go anywhere is a maroon.MinotStateBeav said:Friendly reminder that Trump has a defamation lawsuit against CNN for defaming him about Russia collusion
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) May 15, 2023
He wants $475 million in punitive damages
After Durhamās report, Iād say that his chances of winning nearly half a billion dollars just improvedhttps://t.co/5LYjGIwCbI
Truth is a defense to any defamation claim and Trump can't possibly maintain a defamation claim without submitting himself to document discovery and testimony. This lawsuit isn't going anywhere and everyone with half a brain realizes that. The only reason he brought it was to give himself something to use in his grift to facilitate the transfer of funds from his idiot base to his "campaing" fund and because he loves announcing investigations and lawsuits. This is the reason he corruptly demanded that Zelensky announce an investigation into Biden. The announcement is the purpose.
At some point this lawsuit will be dismissed or Trump will abandon it once he can't slow play it any longer because there is absolutely no way Trump will ever give CNN a chance to prove their defense. Just like with the Fox defamation case except Fox never even pretended to have truth on their side.
BearHunter said:The author of this debunked 2016 Hillary Clinton lie is currently sitting inside of the White House as President Bidenās National Security Advisor. https://t.co/wwesyOvJSZ
— Lee Zeldin (@leezeldin) May 15, 2023
Should we see what Hillary has been up to?
They are running out of time to investigate Jimmy Carter?chazzed said:BearHunter said:The author of this debunked 2016 Hillary Clinton lie is currently sitting inside of the White House as President Bidenās National Security Advisor. https://t.co/wwesyOvJSZ
— Lee Zeldin (@leezeldin) May 15, 2023
Should we see what Hillary has been up to?
What makes you think the GOP would be shy about launching another investigation into Hillary?
He's a stooge with a sweet, sweet white nationalist haircut.Unit2Sucks said:Not sure who DC Draino is,MinotStateBeav said:Friendly reminder that Trump has a defamation lawsuit against CNN for defaming him about Russia collusion
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) May 15, 2023
He wants $475 million in punitive damages
After Durhamās report, Iād say that his chances of winning nearly half a billion dollars just improvedhttps://t.co/5LYjGIwCbI
IT WAS ALL BULLSH*T!!! pic.twitter.com/Rm2wtUWFdF
— il Donaldo Trumpo (@PapiTrumpo) May 16, 2023
BearHunter said:The author of this debunked 2016 Hillary Clinton lie is currently sitting inside of the White House as President Bidenās National Security Advisor. https://t.co/wwesyOvJSZ
— Lee Zeldin (@leezeldin) May 15, 2023
Should we see what Hillary has been up to?
61 Hacks Who Peddled Russian Collusion And Should Never Be Trusted Again pic.twitter.com/Fw1sJBku43
— The Federalist (@FDRLST) May 16, 2023
BearHunter said:61 Hacks Who Peddled Russian Collusion And Should Never Be Trusted Again pic.twitter.com/Fw1sJBku43
— The Federalist (@FDRLST) May 16, 2023
Only 61 hacks?
BREAKING: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has called for the immediate expulsion and possible prosecution of Rep. Adam Schiff for committing crimes of treason against the United States.
— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) May 17, 2023
Probably true that if Adam Schiff were black the GOP would have already attempted to expel himBearHunter said:BREAKING: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has called for the immediate expulsion and possible prosecution of Rep. Adam Schiff for committing crimes of treason against the United States.
— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) May 17, 2023
If he was black, he would already have been expelled.
Having read what McCarthy said, I think that Twitter account should rename itself Misleading Report.BearHunter said:BREAKING: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has called for the immediate expulsion and possible prosecution of Rep. Adam Schiff for committing crimes of treason against the United States.
— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) May 17, 2023
Adam Schiff is a threat to our democracy and another example of white supremacy. If he was black, he would already have been expelled.
Saw Malcolm Nance on there...oh man, did I enjoy laughing at his Ukraine War videos roflmao. "Stand By!"BearHunter said:61 Hacks Who Peddled Russian Collusion And Should Never Be Trusted Again pic.twitter.com/Fw1sJBku43
— The Federalist (@FDRLST) May 16, 2023
Only 61 hacks?