Kamala picks Tim Walz (60) for VP

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2:57p, 8/7/24
Stolen valor. hahaha

This from Private Bonespurs and a 4year Marine journalist.
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In reply to GoOskie • 3:01p, 8/7/24
GoOskie said:
Stolen valor. hahaha

This from Private Bonespurs and a 4year Marine journalist.

It's coming from CNN, your trusted leader in news.

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In reply to bear2034 • 3:05p, 8/7/24
bear2034 said:
calbear93 said:
Zippergate said:
Well that free speech thing was fun while it lasted.

Well, free speech was never absolute.

You cannot go into a crowded theater and shout fire.

You cannot yell death threats to the president.

And the government decides when the elements of the strict scrutiny test was met.
What happened to Biden's Minister of Truth?



Hopefully never to be heard again. Judicial branch of the government determines whether strict scrutiny test has been met.
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In reply to bear2034 • 3:21p, 8/7/24
bear2034 said:
calbear93 said:
Zippergate said:
Well that free speech thing was fun while it lasted.

Well, free speech was never absolute.

You cannot go into a crowded theater and shout fire.

You cannot yell death threats to the president.

And the government decides when the elements of the strict scrutiny test was met.
What happened to Biden's Minister of Truth?


Weird Nina Jankowicz.

Quote:

And the government decides when the elements of the strict scrutiny test was met.
Not fascist at all.
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:23p, 8/7/24
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
calbear93 said:
Zippergate said:
Well that free speech thing was fun while it lasted.

Well, free speech was never absolute.

You cannot go into a crowded theater and shout fire.

You cannot yell death threats to the president.

And the government decides when the elements of the strict scrutiny test was met.
What happened to Biden's Minister of Truth?


Weird Nina Jankowicz.

Quote:

And the government decides when the elements of the strict scrutiny test was met.
Not fascist at all.
Not fascist like the U.K. I wonder who their version of Weird Nina Jankowicz is?

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3:25p, 8/7/24
Trump, Vance accuse Harris VP pick and military vet Walz of "stolen valor"


https://www.axios.com/2024/08/07/trump-vance-walz-military
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/07/trump-vance-walz-military?utm=axios_app
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In reply to bearister • 3:41p, 8/7/24

Gilligan's Island?
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:45p, 8/7/24
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
calbear93 said:
Zippergate said:
Well that free speech thing was fun while it lasted.

Well, free speech was never absolute.

You cannot go into a crowded theater and shout fire.

You cannot yell death threats to the president.

And the government decides when the elements of the strict scrutiny test was met.
What happened to Biden's Minister of Truth?


Weird Nina Jankowicz.

Quote:

And the government decides when the elements of the strict scrutiny test was met.
Not fascist at all.


So you think people should be able to scream fire in a crowded theater and send threats to your children? But, but , but freedom of speech? Think you are confused.
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In reply to calbear93 • 3:51p, 8/7/24
We don't have an epidemic of people of screaming fire in crowded theaters in this country and it's not because of their interpretation of the 1st Amendment. They prefer pulling fire alarms.
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In reply to bearister • 4:37p, 8/7/24
bearister said:
Trump, Vance accuse Harris VP pick and military vet Walz of "stolen valor"


https://www.axios.com/2024/08/07/trump-vance-walz-military
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/07/trump-vance-walz-military?utm=axios_app
Have Trump and Vance addressed Trump's bone spurs and absence of valor?
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 5:13p, 8/7/24
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
bearister said:
Trump, Vance accuse Harris VP pick and military vet Walz of "stolen valor"


https://www.axios.com/2024/08/07/trump-vance-walz-military
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/07/trump-vance-walz-military?utm=axios_app
Have Trump and Vance addressed Trump's bone spurs and absence of valor?

Democrats steal valor. They also steal women's luggage.
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5:21p, 8/7/24
So Tampon Tim didn't bother the Democrats at all but for some reason Stolen Valor Walz does?
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5:29p, 8/7/24
Why is No Chance Vance weirdly stalking Harris / Walz on the airport tarmac before going to his own rally with tens of people?
https://www.threads.net/@b.l.a.c.k.b.o.y.w.r.i.t.e.s/post/C-YftOYyA2H/?xmt=AQGzMnVd8-wKN9dkJcdJcBsEp4HyGv8hRvQbPx7_or6QXA
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6:12p, 8/7/24
Deferment Donnie/Cadet Bone Spurs yucking it up on the Howard Stern Show about how avoiding STDs was his "personal Vietnam."


"In an unearthed interview from 1997, Donald Trump claimed he was a "brave soldier" for avoiding STDs during his single years in the late '90s.

"It's amazing, I can't even believe it. I've been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there. It's like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave solider," Trump said in the interview when Howard Stern asked how he handled making sure he wasn't contracting STDs from the women he was sleeping with."
People Magazine

*A guy like tRump attacking Walz on his military service makes as much sense as Marilyn Quayle at the 1996 RNC poking fun of Bill Clinton's lack of service when her own Danny Boy got his country club boy's pass from 'Nam via enlistment in the National Guard just like Dubya.
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In reply to bear2034 • 6:15p, 8/7/24
bear2034 said:
We don't have an epidemic of people of screaming fire in crowded theaters in this country and it's not because of their interpretation of the 1st Amendment. They prefer pulling fire alarms.


But the whole point is that the government can regulate speech. It's just a high bar to clear but regulating speech has always been permitted under the court's interpretation of the constitution.

Wasn't that the point - that regulating speech that is strictly tailored to protect compelling state interest has always been permitted by the courts? So, government regulating speech is not authoritarian?
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In reply to calbear93 • 6:39p, 8/7/24
Well, free speech was never absolute.


You cannot go into a crowded theater and shout fire.

You cannot yell death threats to the president.

And the government decides when the elements of the strict scrutiny test was met.

You really think that's what he's referring to? Who exactly is the "government"?
I get that you can't stand Trump and that's perfectly understandable. But I wonder if your utter disdain for him has caused you to take on positions that people outside the propaganda bubble view as absurd.
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7:06p, 8/7/24
I must say I don't always agree with Trump. But when he's right, he's right.



https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-appoints-individuals-key-administration-posts/

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In reply to Zippergate • 7:26p, 8/7/24
Zippergate said:
Well, free speech was never absolute.


You cannot go into a crowded theater and shout fire.

You cannot yell death threats to the president.

And the government decides when the elements of the strict scrutiny test was met.

You really think that's what he's referring to? Who exactly is the "government"?
I get that you can't stand Trump and that's perfectly understandable. But I wonder if your utter disdain for him has caused you to take on positions that people outside the propaganda bubble view as absurd.


The government is congress and the arbiter of whether the infringement passes the strict scrutiny test is the judiciary branch.

The things I hate about Trump and the MAGA movement are (i) empowering absolute loonies like MTG and Boebert who have no place in a place like Congress just like AOC and Cori Bush have no place in Congress, (ii) MAGA and rest of the Christian nationalists take the Lord's name in vain, warp the scripture, promote false prophets like prosperity gospel preachers who put money before God, etc. and (iii) they espouse non-conservative, populist views and dress them up as conservative policies.
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In reply to Fire On The Mountain • 7:38p, 8/7/24
Fire On The Mountain said:
calbear93 said:

You cannot go into a crowded theater and shout fire.
This is yet another classic example of why lawyers think they are the smartest people in the room even though they don't know the basics of their own profession. Even Samuel Alito, whose job it is to know that you can in fact shout fire in a crowded theater, gets this wrong. The scary part about it is that with four more justices as ignorant as him (and fortunately, the other conservatives aren't on this point), he could actually change that.

https://www.thefire.org/news/blogs/eternally-radical-idea/you-can-shout-fire-burning-theater-part-5-answers-bad-arguments

The next time you are chiding someone for opining on a subject that they have no expertise in, remember this day when you got your own area of supposed expertise explained to you.

Bill Walton "Fire On The Mountain" Interview


Do you think you are the smartest person?

You reallly don't understand the reference to the shouting fire in a crowded theater but you act as if you do.

That is an example from the majority opinion in the Supreme Court case establishing the strict scrutiny test for whether infringement on speech is permitted.

Why do you claim victory when you weren't even in the race? You are so far from understanding the strict scrutiny concept that you may have to illegally immigrate to even come close to understanding.

So please explain the case to me and what the narrowly tailored to meet the compelling state interest means. You're funny in a joker kind of way.

This is like watching you and dajo argue about economics and impact of monetary policies with somehow both of you being wrong.
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In reply to okaydo • 7:55p, 8/7/24
okaydo said:
I must say I don't always agree with Trump. But when he's right, he's right.



https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-appoints-individuals-key-administration-posts/



He liked the initial response where Walz brought in the national guard right away. You can see where their views start to diverge in Walz's interview. The quote is partial and was taken immediately after the riots started
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In reply to calbear93 • 8:09p, 8/7/24
The government is congress and the arbiter of whether the infringement passes the strict scrutiny test is the judiciary branch.

You're the legal expert so I defer to your expertise in this area. But is this what happened when the Biden administration and the FBI pressured Big Tech to censor true information (in other words, facts) about Covid and the vaccines?

I leave the rest of your post alone. Censorship is a huge issue, especially now that the MSM and Big Tech have effectively merged with the Democratic Party.
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In reply to Zippergate • 8:19p, 8/7/24
Zippergate said:
The government is congress and the arbiter of whether the infringement passes the strict scrutiny test is the judiciary branch.

You're the legal expert so I defer to your expertise in this area. But is this what happened when the Biden administration and the FBI pressured Big Tech to censor true information (in other words, facts) about Covid and the vaccines?

I leave the rest of your post alone. Censorship is a huge issue, especially now that the MSM and Big Tech have effectively merged with the Democratic Party.


I was not commenting on whether any constraint or censorship of speech is constitutional. My point is that freedom of speech is not absolute. My objection was the overarching statement that government regulation of speech is de facto fa fascist or unconstitutional. Government's constraint on speech can be legal (e.g., Congress can pass laws that make death threats against people illegal) as long as it passes the strict scrutiny test.

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In reply to calbear93 • 8:52p, 8/7/24
Fine, I don't think anyone dispute that. But that is clearly not what Walz or the Democrats have in mind when they talk about censorship. The fact that he uses the word misinformation leaves no ambiguity.
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In reply to dajo9 • 8:54p, 8/7/24
dajo9 said:
Why is No Chance Vance weirdly stalking Harris / Walz on the airport tarmac before going to his own rally with tens of people?
https://www.threads.net/@b.l.a.c.k.b.o.y.w.r.i.t.e.s/post/C-YftOYyA2H/?xmt=AQGzMnVd8-wKN9dkJcdJcBsEp4HyGv8hRvQbPx7_or6QXA
He should have just stayed on the couch
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11:07p, 8/7/24
If Democrats are having buyer's remorse over picking Walz, they could always call Nancy Pelosi to tell him to take a hike.
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In reply to Zippergate • 11:36p, 8/7/24
Zippergate said:
Fine, I don't think anyone dispute that. But that is clearly not what Walz or the Democrats have in mind when they talk about censorship. The fact that he uses the word misinformation leaves no ambiguity.


Fair enough. I am not a fan of censorship other than those that are by their nature criminal such as exploitation of others. Generally prefer better arguments to win by merit. I honestly do not generally watch linked videos or read linked articles (don't know the safety of the linked materials) and was basing on the written statement.
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12:14a, 8/8/24

Even CNN called out Tim Stolen Valor Walz.
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5:24a, 8/8/24
I'm starting to feel bad for No Chance Vance. Donold is too old and lethargic to run an active campaign so he just sends his whipping boy out there to try to do any old weird thing to get attention. But No Chance Vance just doesn't have the chops.
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In reply to bear2034 • 7:36a, 8/8/24
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Even CNN called out Tim Stolen Valor Walz.
As far as I can tell, John Seravalli hasn't worked for CNN since "Tim Waltz" left the military.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 8:29a, 8/8/24
Apparently facts don't matter … they are too far gone. They can see the truth with their own eyes but deny it to hold the line. Smh

And some still wonder why we are in this position…

Damn
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8:38a, 8/8/24
Fellow solider: Walz had every right to leave the National Guard before his unit was deployed to Iraq


https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/2024-election/fellow-solider-defends-walzs-military-service/

Eustice spoke to NewsNation about the timing of Walz's retirement in 2005 after serving in the Guard for 24 years. Walz left a few months before the 1-125th Field Artillery Battalion was sent to Iraq.

"As far as I know, he did not know," Eustice said of whether Walz knew about the upcoming deployment. "At that time, there were all kinds of rumors about us deploying. In May, when he decided to retire … we had no 'Notice of Deployment.' That didn't come until July," he added.

Eustice said Walz told him before he left that he "was going to become a congressman," and had spoken about the possibility for months before making his decision."
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In reply to bearister • 9:45a, 8/8/24
That's fair. I read a lengthy piece from a soldier explaining the process and it sounds like Walz did nothing wrong. I don't think misrepresenting a person's record should be weaponized for political purposes. Then again, when has this stopped the other side recently? It's become a scorched-earth total war.

I'm sure Walz is a wonderful guy, but we're talking about leadership of the country. Where it matters, Walz's policy choices demonstrate the kind of wisdom one would expect from a middle school girl. This is not a knock on middle school girls; their naivete is understandable. But for a grown man who has seen the world, it belies an intransigent ignorance and hostility to common sense that has no place on the national political stage. Walz should have a stayed in high school where he belongs.

EDIT: I'm referring to Walz's retirement from service, not how he represented his record.
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In reply to Zippergate • 9:47a, 8/8/24
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That's fair. I read a lengthy piece from a soldier explaining the process and it sounds like Walz did nothing wrong. I don't think misrepresenting a person's record should be weaponized for political purposes. Then again, when has this stopped the other side recently? It's become a scorched-earth total war.

I'm sure Walz is a wonderful guy, but we're talking about leadership of the country. Where it matters, Walz's policy choices demonstrate the kind of wisdom one would expect from a middle school girl. This is not a knock on middle school girls; their naivete is understandable. But for a grown man who has seen the world, it belies an intransigent ignorance and hostility to common sense that has no place on the national political stage. Walz should have a stayed in high school where he belongs.
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In reply to calbear93 • 10:20a, 8/8/24
This twitter thread is remarkable. Truly a must read. The Biden team describes what they did in the 2020 election to combat "true misinformation." I think it's fair to say that the intensity and sophistication of their efforts is much greater now.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1821277903818256780.html

"EXCLUSIVE: In a newly discovered Zoom recording, the Biden/Harris team reveals how they manipulated voters to think Biden's mental decline was "disinformation".

Biden/Harris digital director Rob Flaherty says the DNC created a program to detect, track, and censor what it deemed "misinformation" (like Biden's mental decline). He calls it "critical" and "one of the more important decisions" made by the party in recent years. /2

Emails show Flaherty carrying out the (supposedly) counter-misinformation program in the White House, pushing Facebook to censor Tucker Carlson for correctly saying the COVID-19 vaccine didn't stop transmission, and Tomi Lahren for her strong "my body, my choice" stance.

Despite leading the Biden White House's efforts to censor "misinformation", when asked under oath, to define "misinformation", Flaherty refused.

But in the Zoom call, Flaherty said "misinformation narratives" include "conversation online about corruption or mental fitness...or [Biden's] record on the Crime Bill"effectively defining "misinformation" as anything that the Biden team found inconvenient.

Becca Rinkevich, Biden's Rapid Response Director (later WH Deputy Director of Digital Strategy), also classified talk of Biden's mental decline as "disinformation""disinformation around his mental acuity".

The Biden/Harris team microtargeted voters exposed to the "disinformation" (aka reality) of Biden's mental decline. They used psychographic targeting, a tactic that Cambridge Analytica was highly scrutinized for after the 2016 election.

RINKEVICH: "We targeted folks based on online behavioral cues, building out personas, based on the type of content they were consuming, what they were searching, the kinds of websites they were visiting so that we could target folks in real-time as they were exposed to that disinformation."

"Flaherty and Rinkevich saw the opportunity to grab a voter at a moment of curiosity and then, essentially, keep badgering her as she traveled across the internet," writes journalist Sasha Issenberg in his book Lie Detectives.

If you typed the words "Biden" + "senile" in a search bar, you'd be shown short videos of Biden speaking clearly. Upon hearing this, MSNBC's Chris Hayes exclaimed, "Wow."

Biden's team also deployed an army of online influencers to fight "disinformation". When asked for an example of "disinformation" countered with this "digital organizing," Flaherty's example of such "disinformation" was the "question about [Biden's] mental fitness".

Joining Flaherty & Rinkevich on Zoom, was the DNC Counter-Disinformation Program creator and lead analyst, Tim Durigan. His reports, according to Flaherty, "went to the highest levels of the [Biden] campaign".

#TwitterFiles show Durigan tried to censor many posts, including a video mashup of Biden coughing posted by @JackPosobiec. He failed in the 1 instance. But it seems other such efforts were successful. Acc. to Lie Detectives he also "cultivated ties" with Google & Facebook.

The Zoom host asks about the "big problem" of "true misinformation". Durigan says it's a "huge problem" & wants social media to suppress "true misinformation" to promote "authoritative" news sources like NYT. Big Tech's done that since '18, but apparently not enough for Tim.

A month later, the "really authoritative" NYT celebrated the Biden/Harris team and called concerns about Biden's mental health, "baseless rumors" and "misinformation" from "right-wing influencers."

But the Biden team didn't just get the media to forward their deception, they changed real votes. According to Rinkevich, "concern around [Biden's] mental acuity in particular went down by 8 points over the course of our campaign," resulting in "about 200K" votes for Biden.

To put things in perspective, Biden won by fewer than 200K votes in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania, & Wisconsin ***combined***

Today, Rinkevich runs the Institute of Rebooting Social Media @ Harvard; Durigan leads DNC disinfo analysis; & Flaherty is Deputy Campaign Manager, overseeing digital ads & social for Kamala Harris despite her past criticism of the intrusive data collection he exploits.

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