RFK Jr outs CIA, names those who killed his uncle

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RFK Jr. says the Vietnam War was a CIA operation, and after his uncle signed the order pulling the first 1,000 troops out of Vietnam, JFK was assassinated.

He says the best book on the topic is JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglass. Oliver Stone also speaks highly of it.



https://www.amazon.com/dp/1439193886/?bestFormat=true&k=the%20unspeakable&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-pd-bk-mw-si_de_k1_1_15&crid=1DQAACDX89ZBE&sprefix=the%20unspeakable
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Were the CIA behind the two assassination attempts on Trump?
Will they be behind the 3rd?

Inquiring minds want to know!
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Makes me think even the CIA will help rig the election for Kamala. They don't want RFK Jr exposing their dirty laundry.
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movielover said:

RFK Jr. says the Vietnam War was a CIA operation, and after his uncle signed the order pulling the first 1,000 troops out of Vietnam, JFK was assassinated.

He says the best book on the topic is JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglass. Oliver Stone also speaks highly of it.



https://www.amazon.com/dp/1439193886/?bestFormat=true&k=the%20unspeakable&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-pd-bk-mw-si_de_k1_1_15&crid=1DQAACDX89ZBE&sprefix=the%20unspeakable


I'll have to check this out. I became 100% convinced of this after hearing Rob Reiner's podcast.
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I've always heard the speculation that the CIA killed JFK, but never heard any details and have yet to watch the JFK movie.

Interesting to hear that the Soviet leader also was worried about his own intell agencies.
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movielover said:

I've always heard the speculation that the CIA killed JFK, but never heard any details and have yet to watch the JFK movie.

Interesting to hear that the Soviet leader also was worried about his own intell agencies.


They probably didn't pull the trigger but they sure setup Oswald. That's why instead of saying, "I'm not guilty" or "I didn't do it" he said, "I'm a patsy". That's not really evidence, Reiner has more real evidence, but when have you heard anyone accused of murder blurt that out as his first retort?

Never.
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….from the days when The Deep State knew how to do a hit proper.
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bearister said:

….from the days when The Deep State knew how to do a hit proper.


It was really well done, actually.
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82gradDLSdad said:

bearister said:

….from the days when The Deep State knew how to do a hit proper.


It was really well done, actually.


Given all the new technology... everyone has a camera, and instant communication, the IC sure covered their tracks well in Butler. Much of it in plain site. Roof washed down, body cremated, etc

The second attempt also smells, but when the MSM and Democrat politicians compare you to Hitler for 9 years, anything is possible. Lots of unstable people out there.
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JFK Revisited by Oliver Stone is a good overview on the current evidence.
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wc22 said:

JFK Revisited by Oliver Stone is a good overview on the current evidence.


Thank you.
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RFK Jr is desperate for attention to fulfill whatever commitments he has to help Donold
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The family that he came from dislikes him. His living ex wife dislikes him. His deceased ex wife disliked him. His current wife dislikes him. What broke this man?
The assassinations of his dad and uncle? His heroin addiction? The worm in his brain?

*Am I the only one on this board that remembers that his older brother, Joe, briefly attended Cal in 1972 and crashed his Jeep on Durant by Too Dog? Shortly thereafter he paralyzed a girl crashing that same Jeep back East.

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Did this account really use DJ glad as a reference ? Do better much better
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Found it. Keep scrolling once you open link and the story is there:

Joseph Kennedy 3d Injured On Coast in Auto Accident - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/26/archives/joseph-kennedy-3d-injured-on-coast-in-auto-accident.html


Joe with Joe, 1973


RFK Jr, 1972
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He looks old enough to draft there in 1972. So I looked it up.
Born January 17, 1954.


In February 1972, a drawing was held to determine draft priority numbers for men born in 1953.

Last draft call
The last draft call was on December 7, 1972, for men born in 1952 and earlier.

On Jan. 27, 1973, with the Paris Peace Accords signed and U.S. involvement in Vietnam over, Defense Secretary Melvin R. Laird announced the end of the military draft, after 25 uninterrupted years of conscription. "I wish to inform you," he declared, "that the Armed Forces henceforth will depend exclusively on volunteer soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines."
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My parents divorced in 1976 after 12 years of marriage. They had met at Cal in 1962 or 3. My father was in NROTC at the time, scheduled to become an officer. At some point long thereafter my mother told me that they advanced their marriage by a year because…something to do with a possible draft of my father. So, she was married her last year of college. My father 3 years older.

When the news about how Dick Cheney avoided the draft with the birth of Liz in 1966, I researched the news and the dates. Indeed…

There was a draft deferment if you were in college.
Then there was a draft deferment if you were married. That went away by President Johnson's announcement and it spurred a bunch of last ditch marriages. 1964.
Then there was a deferment if you had children. That went away by President Johnson's announcement and it spurred a bunch of last ditch marriages. 1966.

My mother also told me she was told to quickly stop taking the pill, and boom, she was pregnant with my older brother, a few months after Liz was born. My mother was just 22 at the time of his birth.

I have previously matched all the exact dates of Johnson's announcements and my parents actions. It all fits.

My father only last month admitted the strategy.

I am comforted by knowing all this. My parents were young and attractive to one another for various reasons. I can see what they liked in each other. But they are in so many ways incredibly different individuals, not suited for each other.

Growing up, I experienced unpleasant aspects resulting from their divorce. And so it's been a bit of a lifelong mission to understand why they ever got married as they did.

It's been a bit odd to consider my entire existence could very well hinge on the actions of politicians in DC. Indeed, had JFK not been killed, the draft process may very well have ended by 1964, or 1966, and the forces that pushed, advanced my family's creation may have vanished.

I bet most people never ponder such things about how activities completely random and far away from them so affected their lives.

In this case, it's as I've laid out.
In another case, it could be because somebody's aunt once told a story about a fabulous trip to Paris, and it set the imagination in a child about the majesties of travel, leading to a life as an international journalist.

Why do people like idiot 1 and idiot 2 post them nonsense they do?
That remains a mystery!
There's a foundational reason, but it's a mystery!
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This is what got me going on that thought process….







The military draft ended 50 years ago, dividing a generation
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Draft Director Curtis W. Tarr spins one of two plexiglass drums as the fourth annual Selective Service lottery began in Washington on Feb. 2, 1972. (Charles W. Harrity/AP)

By Amy Zipkin for Washington Post
January 27, 2023 at 7:00 a.m. EST

On Jan. 27, 1973, with the Paris Peace Accords signed and U.S. involvement in Vietnam over, Defense Secretary Melvin R. Laird announced the end of the military draft, after 25 uninterrupted years of conscription. "I wish to inform you," he declared, "that the Armed Forces henceforth will depend exclusively on volunteer soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines."

The announcement, 50 years ago Friday, brought immediate relief to American men ages 19 to 25, who were eligible to be drafted during the war. It also created an arbitrary but lasting divide between the nearly 2 million men who had been drafted and those who would avoid conscription by celebrating their 19th birthdays after January 1973.
Jerry Prater, who was born in 1943, returned home from his honeymoon in late 1966 to news from his mother. "There's a letter from the president," she said.

Two weeks later, he was on a bus from Texas to Louisiana's Fort Polk, whose mock Vietnamese villages used in infantry training were known as Tiger Land.

Prater served as a combat infantryman in Vietnam from May 1967 to May 1968. He was wounded by enemy shrapnel, and a physician told him, "You could have lost your leg." The pain has never gone away.
They attacked a draft board office to protest the Vietnam War. Fifty years later, the fallout continues.
He traveled home in uniform. At the Seattle airport, protesters shouted, "How does it feel to be a murderer?"
Cliff Hackel, born 11 years after Prater, registered as a conscientious objector when he turned 18. "You didn't have to give proof until you were drafted," he said. He entered George Washington University in 1972 and participated in impromptu antiwar demonstrations at the White House.

His first semester, he thought about going to Canada and studied French, in case he needed it north of the border. "It wasn't really a well-thought-out plan," he said. "I was naive about how the draft worked."
Laird's announcement ended his fears of being sent to war and his contingency planning. "It was a relief to go on with my life and just be a kid," Hackel said.

Police pull an employee of the Selective Service System across protesters who had blocked the entrance of draft headquarters in Washington on April 27, 1971. (Charles Harrity/AP)


Some men who served said they bear no animosity toward those who avoided the draft because the rules changed; Prater said he reserves his negative feelings for people who dodged the draft before 1973. But Richard V. Reeves of the Brookings Institution, author of the 2022 book "Of Boys and Men," said that during a time of social upheaval, changes to the rules can stoke grievances.

The first peacetime draft in U.S. history began in 1940, when President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Selective Training and Service Act. The country entered World War II after the bombing of Pearl Harbor a year later. That draft lasted until 1946. A second peacetime draft was instituted in 1948.
That regulation was still on the books when, in 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson authorized a large-scale buildup of American ground troops in Vietnam and relied on the draft to carry it out.
He was America's most famous pediatrician. Then Dr. Spock attacked the Vietnam draft.
The draft was hugely controversial and unequal. Students and people in professional and graduate programs could receive deferments; others could not. The war justifiably scared many young Americans. About 58,000 Americans would die in the war, and about 150,000 would be injured.

Conscription also took a toll in other ways. Prater had a degree in business administration, but he lost two years of civilian work experience while in the service. That challenge was common, said Joshua Angrist, a professor of economics at MIT who has studied the effects of conscription. "You are losing civilian labor market experience," he said. His research found that veterans were still earning less than their civilian counterparts 15 years after their service.
The state of the labor market didn't help. "The large numbers of baby boomers, the oil shock, and unexpectedly and unacceptably high inflation depressed the job market," said Federico Mandelman, a research economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta.


A follower of boxer Muhammad Ali burns what he called his draft card outside the Houston induction station on April 28, 1967, after the heavyweight refused to be inducted into the Army. (Jack Thornell/AP)


Prater's marriage also ended, in part because of his time away. But he said he "never for an instant considered not being drafted," adding, "I came back a better person."

Marc Leepson, 77, was less committed to joining the military. When he graduated from George Washington University in 1967, he lost his student deferment.
"All we ever talked about was the draft," he said.
His efforts to join the Peace Corps and the Air Force Officer Candidate School were unsuccessful, so immediately after graduation, he asked his draft board to move up his induction. "I thought I may as well get the inevitable over with, rather than wait in a kind of limbo to get that induction letter from Uncle Sam," he said.
Jan. 22, 1973: The day that changed America
After basic training at Fort Dix in New Jersey, he became a company clerk, spending a year in Vietnam processing soldiers coming home from the war. The assignment included hazardous guard duty.
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Leepson was back in the States completing his first semester of graduate school when, to quell growing opposition to the war, President Richard M. Nixon issued an executive order in November 1969 instituting a new draft system.
Under this system, a draft number was randomly assigned to each day of the year, representing people whose birthdays fell on that day. Lower numbers meant a higher likelihood of being drafted. A man of draftable age whose birthday was given a number in the 300s was safe from being conscripted; one whose birthday drew a single- or double-digit number had a high chance of being sent to war.
At the first draft lottery in December 1969, Leepson drew number 360. The stakes were low for him, since no veteran would have been required to serve a second time. Still, it made him laugh. "If I had avoided the draft till then, I never would have been taken," he said.
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Leepson recalled, "Getting out of the Army was the happiest day of my life. We were pariahs." Still, he called it "the ultimate rite of passage," adding, "I served my country. Didn't like the war, but you couldn't choose your war."
Leepson didn't land his first full-time job until he was 28.
For all the fear and hardship that conscription brought, some who avoided being drafted still think it was a fairer system than the alternative.
Paul Irving, born in 1952, graduated from high school in Los Angeles in 1970 and registered for the draft on his 18th birthday.
He got a student deferment but lost it when he left college during his sophomore year and joined Peace Alert U.S.A., an antiwar group. The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert Kennedy had been assassinated in 1968, and he said, "I felt I should do something about it."
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In August 1971, he drew lottery number 197; that year, the highest number called for men born in 1952 was 95. He enrolled in film school at New York University and later became a lawyer.
"Overall, the burden of fighting fell disproportionately on those not eligible for student or other deferments," he said. "I think about that to this day."
Still, he said, conscription, despite its flaws, "created political accountability and the broad-based risk of service across race, class and geography."
Amy Zipkin is a freelance writer based in metro New York.





concordtom
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Thus, I suppose I feel connected to RFK Jr, in a strange way. We are both affected by what happened that day on Daley Plaza.
He worse than me.
I'm alive. He's a freak.
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We've visited this topic of the draft here on BI before. I appreciate all the stories from older Bears who lived through it.
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82gradDLSdad said:

movielover said:

I've always heard the speculation that the CIA killed JFK, but never heard any details and have yet to watch the JFK movie.

Interesting to hear that the Soviet leader also was worried about his own intell agencies.


They probably didn't pull the trigger but they sure setup Oswald. That's why instead of saying, "I'm not guilty" or "I didn't do it" he said, "I'm a patsy". That's not really evidence, Reiner has more real evidence, but when have you heard anyone accused of murder blurt that out as his first retort?

Never.


Perhaps there was a faction within the CIA that had involvement. Does that mean that the mission of the entire organization is sullied? Does that mean that the organization is pulling the strings on everything and everybody as a some Deep State everyone should fear and despise?

It works for the purposes of some to instill fear and have the answer to those questions be Yes.


I'll take a more reasoned takeaway:

There are good seeds and bad seeds everywhere. Look at congress. Do we think as an institution it's a good idea to elect representatives from across the country?
Yes, we do.
Are we sometimes going to get wackos like Marjorie Taylor Greene? Yes we are. Does it mean that all members of congress are wackos? No it does not.

We can also end up with crappy presidents, crappy Justices, crappy soldiers who shoot up women and children in villages. Does it mean that the entire US armed forces are dishonorable?

If "the CIA" killed JFK, perhaps we can find solace in appreciating the structure of government which the Founders devised, endures.
Because, in the olden days, it could have meant a much broader revolution.

There will always be madmen who do mad things. Respect for the organizational structure, continuance of doing what we've learned works.

Which is what, I suppose, makes Trump and Jan 6 so goddam disturbing. He wants to tear it all down. Like that rogue faction in the CIA who, possibly, shot Kennedy.
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But we don't have the system our Founding Father's gave us, we now have a superseding fourth branch - the intelligence communities.

In 2015 - 2016 we had the IC spying on candidate Trump, and then during his whole presidency.

Fraudulent FISA warrants, a DNC / HRC fabricated 'dossier', created by DOJ-affiliated individuals, including Nellie Ohr, possible CIA operative, wife of Bruce Ohr, top DOJ official.

Preliminary material created stateside, then sent to the UK to be 'washed' by Christopher Steele, formerly of Britain's MI5. Add in some musings from a drunk Russian former Brookings Institute (Democrat) employee, target useful underlings like Carter Page and George Papadopoulos, and stir. Add in Clinton operatives, Five Eyes, honeypot Azra Turks (CIA), John McCain, the State Department, and four outside contractors conducting thousands of unauthorized searches of our all-powerful NSA database to track Trump and others. Then bundle it all together, pass it around DC, and walla. Russian collusion!
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We all knew the tRump Russia connection was true. tRump and 18 of his associates had at least well over 100 contacts with Russian nationals in 2016 with no explanation ever forthcoming of what was discussed.

The Covid test kits and the post presidency phone calls with Putin as outlined by Woodward just corroborates a story no one needed corroborated.
tRump has always just been a useful idiot for Russia.
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bearister said:

We all knew the tRump Russia connection was true. tRump and 18 of his associates had at least well over 100 contacts with Russian nationals in 2016 with no explanation ever forthcoming of what was discussed.

The Covid test kits and the post presidency phone calls with Putin as outlined by Woodward just corroborates a story no one needed corroborated.
tRump has always just been a useful idiot for Russia.

What did the covid test kits allegedly sent to Russia consist of exactly, how many? Why doesn't Woodward provide any information on the size of that package, which would put it in perspective? A bit manipulative of him perhaps, yanking at the TDS chain?

And why does that covid test package sent to Russia bother you more than the $23 billion sent to Israel this year, or the $100 billion already sent to Ukraine?
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You represent the QAnon community which thinks they are so keen, they know something the rest of us don't.
"THEY are out to get you!"

Run with it! You'll feel special.
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Cal88 said:

bearister said:

We all knew the tRump Russia connection was true. tRump and 18 of his associates had at least well over 100 contacts with Russian nationals in 2016 with no explanation ever forthcoming of what was discussed.

The Covid test kits and the post presidency phone calls with Putin as outlined by Woodward just corroborates a story no one needed corroborated.
tRump has always just been a useful idiot for Russia.

What did the covid test kits allegedly sent to Russia consist of exactly, how many? Why doesn't Woodward provide any information on the size of that package, which would put it in perspective? A bit manipulative of him perhaps, yanking at the TDS chain?

And why does that covid test package sent to Russia bother you more than the $23 billion sent to Israel this year, or the $100 billion already sent to Ukraine?


Well, if you are going to rotate from Trump-Putin to Israel-Ukraine, I propose we also rotate to Chinese Olympic Doping.

Let's ask Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong to weigh in. That will help us understand The Trump-Putin relationship!
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Cal88 said:

bearister said:

We all knew the tRump Russia connection was true. tRump and 18 of his associates had at least well over 100 contacts with Russian nationals in 2016 with no explanation ever forthcoming of what was discussed.

The Covid test kits and the post presidency phone calls with Putin as outlined by Woodward just corroborates a story no one needed corroborated.
tRump has always just been a useful idiot for Russia.

What did the covid test kits allegedly sent to Russia consist of exactly, how many? Why doesn't Woodward provide any information on the size of that package, which would put it in perspective? A bit manipulative of him perhaps, yanking at the TDS chain?

And why does that covid test package sent to Russia bother you more than the $23 billion sent to Israel this year, or the $100 billion already sent to Ukraine?


How about the TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS the Biden Family got for crackhead Biden having honorary positions? Sources: China, Ukraine, Russia. Including money from the Mayor of Moscow!

CNN: "Biden predicts Russia 'will move in' to Ukraine, but says 'minor incursion' may prompt discussion over consequences"

Our DOJ spent over $50 million investigating the Russia farce and came back w nothing. It's a DEMOCRAT WET DREAM originally created by HRC.
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concordtom said:

Cal88 said:

bearister said:

We all knew the tRump Russia connection was true. tRump and 18 of his associates had at least well over 100 contacts with Russian nationals in 2016 with no explanation ever forthcoming of what was discussed.

The Covid test kits and the post presidency phone calls with Putin as outlined by Woodward just corroborates a story no one needed corroborated.
tRump has always just been a useful idiot for Russia.

What did the covid test kits allegedly sent to Russia consist of exactly, how many? Why doesn't Woodward provide any information on the size of that package, which would put it in perspective? A bit manipulative of him perhaps, yanking at the TDS chain?

And why does that covid test package sent to Russia bother you more than the $23 billion sent to Israel this year, or the $100 billion already sent to Ukraine?


Well, if you are going to rotate from Trump-Putin to Israel-Ukraine, I propose we also rotate to Chinese Olympic Doping.

Let's ask Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong to weigh in. That will help us understand The Trump-Putin relationship!

I asked you and others to quantify that latest allegation by Woodward of Trump-Putin scandal, because it certainly looks like another TDS-fueled conspiracy theory. What did that package really consist of, is it a valid basis to imply that Trump had committed some kind of a national treason act, as Woodward would want you to believe?

Pretty simple request.
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Cal88 said:

concordtom said:

Cal88 said:

bearister said:

We all knew the tRump Russia connection was true. tRump and 18 of his associates had at least well over 100 contacts with Russian nationals in 2016 with no explanation ever forthcoming of what was discussed.

The Covid test kits and the post presidency phone calls with Putin as outlined by Woodward just corroborates a story no one needed corroborated.
tRump has always just been a useful idiot for Russia.

What did the covid test kits allegedly sent to Russia consist of exactly, how many? Why doesn't Woodward provide any information on the size of that package, which would put it in perspective? A bit manipulative of him perhaps, yanking at the TDS chain?

And why does that covid test package sent to Russia bother you more than the $23 billion sent to Israel this year, or the $100 billion already sent to Ukraine?


Well, if you are going to rotate from Trump-Putin to Israel-Ukraine, I propose we also rotate to Chinese Olympic Doping.

Let's ask Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong to weigh in. That will help us understand The Trump-Putin relationship!

I asked you and others to quantify that latest allegation by Woodward of Trump-Putin scandal, because it certainly looks like another TDS-fueled conspiracy theory. What did that package really consist of, is it a valid basis to imply that Trump had committed some kind of a national treason act, as Woodward would want you to believe?

Pretty simple request.


Ask your buddy, Putin, who is dead, who has already confirmed it is true.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/11/europe/kremlin-confirms-trump-covid-tests-intl
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movielover said:

Cal88 said:

bearister said:

We all knew the tRump Russia connection was true. tRump and 18 of his associates had at least well over 100 contacts with Russian nationals in 2016 with no explanation ever forthcoming of what was discussed.

The Covid test kits and the post presidency phone calls with Putin as outlined by Woodward just corroborates a story no one needed corroborated.
tRump has always just been a useful idiot for Russia.

What did the covid test kits allegedly sent to Russia consist of exactly, how many? Why doesn't Woodward provide any information on the size of that package, which would put it in perspective? A bit manipulative of him perhaps, yanking at the TDS chain?

And why does that covid test package sent to Russia bother you more than the $23 billion sent to Israel this year, or the $100 billion already sent to Ukraine?


How about the TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS the Biden Family got for crackhead Biden having honorary positions? Sources: China, Ukraine, Russia. Including money from the Mayor of Moscow!

CNN: "Biden predicts Russia 'will move in' to Ukraine, but says 'minor incursion' may prompt discussion over consequences"

Our DOJ spent over $50 million investigating the Russia farce and came back w nothing. It's a DEMOCRAT WET DREAM originally created by HRC.


The Russian Dossier was originally started by other Republicans investigating Trump in the primaries. They dropped it (likely due to lack of corroboration) instead of using it, and Hillary bought it and she and the deep state weaponized it against her opponent, which they used to further cripple Trump during his presidency.
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Why Trump Supporters Love Putin - The Globalist


https://www.theglobalist.com/united-states-donald-trump-republicans-russia-vladimir-putin/

Putin's Russia and Trump's U.S.: Converging in Resentment? - The Globalist


https://www.theglobalist.com/putins-russia-and-trumps-u-s-converging-in-resentment/


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This is a thread about the CIA, not your TDS.
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EVERY thread will devolve to TDS.
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As tRump's mental condition exponentially declines and the exposure of his criminality, sedition and disloyalty to America exponentially increases, the TDS defense rings shallower and shallower.

If tRump loses the election he is f@ucked squared; if he wins, we are.

*….and even if he wins, he is in league with Musk, and Musk will grow weary of him, and whatever power a POTUS can wield pales in comparison to the Dogs of Hell Elon Musk will unleash on him. Vance is their boy, not the Fat Man.

Hey, Cal88, how does a Jill Stein guy not have even more contempt for tRump than I do? I assume you are not playing the Matt Taibbi/Yogi long game and forming an alliance with tRumpers as useful idiots to destroy moderate Democrats once and for all.
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This is what our modern intel agencies do:

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