Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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bearister said:

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We all knew the tRump Russia connection was true. tRump and 18 of his associates had at least well over 100 contacts with Russian nationals in 2016 with no explanation ever forthcoming of what was discussed.

The Covid test kits and the post presidency phone calls with Putin as outlined by Woodward just corroborates a story no one needed corroborated.
tRump has always just been a useful idiot for Russia.

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What did the covid test kits allegedly sent to Russia consist of exactly, how many? Why doesn't Woodward provide any information on the size of that package, which would put it in perspective? A bit manipulative of him perhaps, yanking at the TDS chain?

And why does that covid test package sent to Russia bother you more than the $23 billion sent to Israel this year, or the $100 billion already sent to Ukraine?

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Well, if you are going to rotate from Trump-Putin to Israel-Ukraine, I propose we also rotate to Chinese Olympic Doping.

Let's ask Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong to weigh in. That will help us understand The Trump-Putin relationship!

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I asked you and others to quantify that latest allegation by Woodward of Trump-Putin scandal, because it certainly looks like another TDS-fueled conspiracy theory. What did that package really consist of, is it a valid basis to imply that Trump had committed some kind of a national treason act, as Woodward would want you to believe?

Pretty simple request.

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Cal88 said:

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EVERY thread will devolve to TDS.

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Cal88 said:

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He's better on a number of domestic issues, like border control, but he's kind of like the Wilcox of politics, he could have done a lot better. For one, he needs to reign in Bibi, just like Carter, Reagan and Bush Sr did.

We're headed towards troubled waters with either candidate.

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movielover said:

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Ukraine War continues.
War w Iran.
Possible nuclear war.
10-20 Million more illegal immigrants.
Mass Amnesty, which means the White House will be one party for decades.
War in Asia bc of our weakness.
Continued inflation.
Supreme Court wrecked.
1st Amendment trampled.
Etc.

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movielover said:

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Then move to Venezuela, Cuba or Russia.

The historical record is clear that while capitalism has flaws, it's superior to any other economic system.

Israel, India, and the UK all tried socialism, and abandoned it.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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movielover said:

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Then move to Venezuela, Cuba or Russia.

The historical record is clear that while capitalism has flaws, it's superior to any other economic system.

Israel, India, and the UK all tried socialism, and abandoned it.

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What a eutopia though: no homeless or crime until capitalism. Wow. What were we thinking. Seems like a no brainer.

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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movielover said:

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Then move to Venezuela, Cuba or Russia.

The historical record is clear that while capitalism has flaws, it's superior to any other economic system.

Israel, India, and the UK all tried socialism, and abandoned it.

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What a eutopia though: no homeless or crime until capitalism. Wow. What were we thinking. Seems like a no brainer.

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Dude wrote "continued inflation".
Perhaps he didn't realize that the Fed is so concerned about choking off economic activity that they lowered interest rates by 50 bps.
Perhaps he hasn't actually looked at data, merely posts talking points like some dumb language learning machine which gets its input from handlers (aka FoxNews and Trump) and that's neither accurate nor updated.

Dude just revealed, again, why he's not worth reading.
Continued inflation? We are long beyond that. Long time ago.

Besides, is the US Vice President responsible for all the items on that list?
Hell, no. Of course not.
The USVP is responsible for sitting and waiting for the P to die, that's about it. She cannot control the things he gripes about. It's utterly farcical what he says.

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Cal88 said:

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movielover said:

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Then move to Venezuela, Cuba or Russia.

The historical record is clear that while capitalism has flaws, it's superior to any other economic system.

Israel, India, and the UK all tried socialism, and abandoned it.

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Russia has been doing far better economically than these other countries, they have a lower poverty rate than the UK, no rampant homelessness, no debt, decreasing crime rates, higher growth rates, and ironically, less government with income tax rates at 13% and corporate rates at 6% of gross revenue, and les red tape. India is the other extreme here in terms of government regulations. It still is the quintessential third world country, though sectors are developing, but it is nowhere near the kind of path that China has taken.

Israel is a special case, they are subsidized by US taxpayers, with free healthcare, education etc.

What we have here today is late stage capitalism, it is showing some serious problems with breakdowns in the healthcare, education, transport and housing sectors among others. Think of where college football will be in 10 years under the NIL vs where it was 10 years ago.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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movielover said:

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Then move to Venezuela, Cuba or Russia.

The historical record is clear that while capitalism has flaws, it's superior to any other economic system.

Israel, India, and the UK all tried socialism, and abandoned it.

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What a eutopia though: no homeless or crime until capitalism. Wow. What were we thinking. Seems like a no brainer.

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Dude wrote "continued inflation".
Perhaps he didn't realize that the Fed is so concerned about choking off economic activity that they lowered interest rates by 50 bps.
Perhaps he hasn't actually looked at data, merely posts talking points like some dumb language learning machine which gets its input from handlers (aka FoxNews and Trump) and that's neither accurate nor updated.

Dude just revealed, again, why he's not worth reading.
Continued inflation? We are long beyond that. Long time ago.

Besides, is the US Vice President responsible for all the items on that list?
Hell, no. Of course not.
The USVP is responsible for sitting and waiting for the P to die, that's about it. She cannot control the things he gripes about. It's utterly farcical what he says.

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I thought I was making a crack about capitalism? Not politicians or the Fed. I have no idea what VPs do. Waiting to see one that doesn't look like a dummy. Damn, drug into a political statement.

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Cal88 said:

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Ideally, early/mid-stage industrial capitalism, where antitrust applies and oligarchs are kept in check.

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Cal88 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Cal88 said:

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movielover said:

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Then move to Venezuela, Cuba or Russia.

The historical record is clear that while capitalism has flaws, it's superior to any other economic system.

Israel, India, and the UK all tried socialism, and abandoned it.

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Russia has been doing far better economically than these other countries, they have a lower poverty rate than the UK, no rampant homelessness, no debt, decreasing crime rates, higher growth rates, and ironically, less government with income tax rates at 13% and corporate rates at 6% of gross revenue, and les red tape. India is the other extreme here in terms of government regulations. It still is the quintessential third world country, though sectors are developing, but it is nowhere near the kind of path that China has taken.

Israel is a special case, they are subsidized by US taxpayers, with free healthcare, education etc.

What we have here today is late stage capitalism, it is showing some serious problems with breakdowns in the healthcare, education, transport and housing sectors among others. Think of where college football will be in 10 years under the NIL vs where it was 10 years ago.

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No expert here...does late stage capitalism always include a 'helping hand' from an ever bloated, "I know better" government? Cause that's what we have. And it's not one sided.

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You get the helping hand if you're Raytheon, General Dynamics, Pfizer, or an illegal immigrant staying at a 4 star Manhattan hotel.

“It’s very traumatic… No. No good Rochester.” says an illegal immigrant from El Salvador.

Yaniry Pena came to the U.S. with her children a year ago.

She lived for FREE in NYC hotel for 4 months. Then she and her children were relocated to a FREE apartment in Rochester, NY.… pic.twitter.com/RbGnrZ8Yhk

— I Meme Therefore I Am 🇺🇸 (@ImMeme0) May 18, 2024

The funny thing in this single mother's case is that the country she has "fled", El Salvador has low unemployment, the lowest crime rate in the western hemisphere and a thriving economy - but no government welfare program.

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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movielover said:

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Then move to Venezuela, Cuba or Russia.

The historical record is clear that while capitalism has flaws, it's superior to any other economic system.

Israel, India, and the UK all tried socialism, and abandoned it.

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What a eutopia though: no homeless or crime until capitalism. Wow. What were we thinking. Seems like a no brainer.

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Dude wrote "continued inflation".
Perhaps he didn't realize that the Fed is so concerned about choking off economic activity that they lowered interest rates by 50 bps.
Perhaps he hasn't actually looked at data, merely posts talking points like some dumb language learning machine which gets its input from handlers (aka FoxNews and Trump) and that's neither accurate nor updated.

Dude just revealed, again, why he's not worth reading.
Continued inflation? We are long beyond that. Long time ago.

Besides, is the US Vice President responsible for all the items on that list?
Hell, no. Of course not.
The USVP is responsible for sitting and waiting for the P to die, that's about it. She cannot control the things he gripes about. It's utterly farcical what he says.

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I thought I was making a crack about capitalism? Not politicians or the Fed. I have no idea what VPs do. Waiting to see one that doesn't look like a dummy. Damn, drug into a political statement.

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I was referring to the dude above you, who I try not to associate with, but it's impossible to let his lies go.
He is the dude who claimed inflation continues, not you.
Sorry for the confusion.

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concordtom said:

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My parents divorced in 1976 after 12 years of marriage. They had met at Cal in 1962 or 3. My father was in NROTC at the time, scheduled to become an officer. At some point long thereafter my mother told me that they advanced their marriage by a year because…something to do with a possible draft of my father. So, she was married her last year of college. My father 3 years older.

When the news about how Dick Cheney avoided the draft with the birth of Liz in 1966, I researched the news and the dates. Indeed…

There was a draft deferment if you were in college.
Then there was a draft deferment if you were married. That went away by President Johnson's announcement and it spurred a bunch of last ditch marriages. 1964.
Then there was a deferment if you had children. That went away by President Johnson's announcement and it spurred a bunch of last ditch marriages. 1966.

My mother also told me she was told to quickly stop taking the pill, and boom, she was pregnant with my older brother, a few months after Liz was born. My mother was just 22 at the time of his birth.

I have previously matched all the exact dates of Johnson's announcements and my parents actions. It all fits.

My father only last month admitted the strategy.

I am comforted by knowing all this. My parents were young and attractive to one another for various reasons. I can see what they liked in each other. But they are in so many ways incredibly different individuals, not suited for each other.

Growing up, I experienced unpleasant aspects resulting from their divorce. And so it's been a bit of a lifelong mission to understand why they ever got married as they did.

It's been a bit odd to consider my entire existence could very well hinge on the actions of politicians in DC. Indeed, had JFK not been killed, the draft process may very well have ended by 1964, or 1966, and the forces that pushed, advanced my family's creation may have vanished.

I bet most people never ponder such things about how activities completely random and far away from them so affected their lives.

In this case, it's as I've laid out.
In another case, it could be because somebody's aunt once told a story about a fabulous trip to Paris, and it set the imagination in a child about the majesties of travel, leading to a life as an international journalist.

Why do people like idiot 1 and idiot 2 post them nonsense they do?
That remains a mystery!
There's a foundational reason, but it's a mystery!

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Cal88 said:

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bearister said:

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As tRump's mental condition exponentially declines and the exposure of his criminality, sedition and disloyalty to America exponentially increases, the TDS defense rings shallower and shallower.

If tRump loses the election he is f@ucked squared; if he wins, we are.

*….and even if he wins, he is in league with Musk, and Musk will grow weary of him, and whatever power a POTUS can wield pales in comparison to the Dogs of Hell Elon Musk will unleash on him. Vance is their boy, not the Fat Man.

Hey, Cal88, how does a Jill Stein guy not have even more contempt for tRump than I do? I assume you are not playing the Matt Taibbi/Yogi long game and forming an alliance with tRumpers as useful idiots to destroy moderate Democrats once and for all.

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Trump did position himself as the antiwar candidate, by calling out and destroying Jeb Bush's candidacy. He earned anti-establishment credentials by slaying both the Bush and Clinton dynasties.

The whole Russiagate thing was a (very successful) attempt to turn establishment Democrats into Endless War supporters.

Trump has many flaws, both in terms of his abrasive personality and in his hypocritical attempt to ride two mutually exclusive constituencies, the neocons funding him (Adelsons etc), and the citizens who want to end forever wars.

Jill Stein is a lightweight, but at least her heart is in the right place.

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concordtom said:

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In your analysis, what comes after "late stage capitalism"?

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movielover said:

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Try 50 years of a drug culture, supercharged marijuana, black heroine, tranq (Philadelphia), deadly fentanyl and others.

The Open Border and drug cartels facilitate this dangerous flow. People I've spoken to who feed the "homeless" say 80% to 90% are on drugs, and the drug use and living on the street leads to mental illness.

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cbbass1 said:

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Jill Stein is a lightweight, but at least her heart is in the right place.

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Big C said:

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movielover said:

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Try 50 years of a drug culture, supercharged marijuana, black heroine, tranq (Philadelphia), deadly fentanyl and others.

The Open Border and drug cartels facilitate this dangerous flow. People I've spoken to who feed the "homeless" say 80% to 90% are on drugs, and the drug use and living on the street leads to mental illness.

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My takeaways (paraphrased):

1. "Heroin is scary. But 'black heroine' is really scary, what with it being black and everything."

2. "I have spoken to people, thus sort of proving that I can't possibly be a bot!"

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SBGold said:

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Big C said:

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movielover said:

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Try 50 years of a drug culture, supercharged marijuana, black heroine, tranq (Philadelphia), deadly fentanyl and others.

The Open Border and drug cartels facilitate this dangerous flow. People I've spoken to who feed the "homeless" say 80% to 90% are on drugs, and the drug use and living on the street leads to mental illness.

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My takeaways (paraphrased):

1. "Heroin is scary. But 'black heroine' is really scary, what with it being black and everything."

2. "I have spoken to people, thus sort of proving that I can't possibly be a bot!"

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You know this clown has not talked to anyone who has done anything for the homeless population. He's literally on his laptop on his couch 24/7

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82gradDLSdad said:

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SBGold said:

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Big C said:

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movielover said:

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Try 50 years of a drug culture, supercharged marijuana, black heroine, tranq (Philadelphia), deadly fentanyl and others.

The Open Border and drug cartels facilitate this dangerous flow. People I've spoken to who feed the "homeless" say 80% to 90% are on drugs, and the drug use and living on the street leads to mental illness.

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My takeaways (paraphrased):

1. "Heroin is scary. But 'black heroine' is really scary, what with it being black and everything."

2. "I have spoken to people, thus sort of proving that I can't possibly be a bot!"

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You know this clown has not talked to anyone who has done anything for the homeless population. He's literally on his laptop on his couch 24/7

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Whenever I ask my new acquaintances about all these names of drugs I've never heard of (these are ex addicts) they seem to be based on all the 'old' ones (meth, heroine, cocaine) but cut or made more cheaply to allow drug dealers/manufacturers to make more money. No surprise there. You have to love free and not so free market capitalism.

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wc22 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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SBGold said:

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Big C said:

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movielover said:

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Try 50 years of a drug culture, supercharged marijuana, black heroine, tranq (Philadelphia), deadly fentanyl and others.

The Open Border and drug cartels facilitate this dangerous flow. People I've spoken to who feed the "homeless" say 80% to 90% are on drugs, and the drug use and living on the street leads to mental illness.

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My takeaways (paraphrased):

1. "Heroin is scary. But 'black heroine' is really scary, what with it being black and everything."

2. "I have spoken to people, thus sort of proving that I can't possibly be a bot!"

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You know this clown has not talked to anyone who has done anything for the homeless population. He's literally on his laptop on his couch 24/7

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Whenever I ask my new acquaintances about all these names of drugs I've never heard of (these are ex addicts) they seem to be based on all the 'old' ones (meth, heroine, cocaine) but cut or made more cheaply to allow drug dealers/manufacturers to make more money. No surprise there. You have to love free and not so free market capitalism.

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The problem is meth and cocain are all vastly more pure nowadays, and fentynyl is dirt cheap. And yes all three of these life destryoing drugs are mostly being smuggled through the border. The fentynyl crisis in particular just keeps getting worse and worse and directly tied to border policy.

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SBGold said:

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Big C said:

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movielover said:

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Try 50 years of a drug culture, supercharged marijuana, black heroine, tranq (Philadelphia), deadly fentanyl and others.

The Open Border and drug cartels facilitate this dangerous flow. People I've spoken to who feed the "homeless" say 80% to 90% are on drugs, and the drug use and living on the street leads to mental illness.

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My takeaways (paraphrased):

1. "Heroin is scary. But 'black heroine' is really scary, what with it being black and everything."

2. "I have spoken to people, thus sort of proving that I can't possibly be a bot!"

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You know this clown has not talked to anyone who has done anything for the homeless population. He's literally on his laptop on his couch 24/7

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