Obama was begging black male voters to vote for Kamala last week. That is who he really is.

Obama was a smooth talker but ended up getting 4 million less votes in his re-election campaign.

chazzed said:

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He was good. It's a shame he had to deal with a GOP that was well into its transition to MAGA lunacy.

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Were they already into their MAGA lunacy pre-2008? Or was it the Obama election that kick started it?

I submit, it was the latter?
Before, I think it was just politicians being politicians, whether that's Clinton-Monica, Bush-Iraq WMD, or whatever.

I posit that MAGA is a racist reaction to Obama. What do you think?

concordtom said:

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chazzed said:

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He was good. It's a shame he had to deal with a GOP that was well into its transition to MAGA lunacy.

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Were they already into their MAGA lunacy pre-2008? Or was it the Obama election that kick started it?

I submit, it was the latter?
Before, I think it was just politicians being politicians, whether that's Clinton-Monica, Bush-Iraq WMD, or whatever.

I posit that MAGA is a racist reaction to Obama. What do you think?

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The movement started in 2009, apparently. So, you may be right.

"The Tea Party movement was an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party that began in 2009."

Cal88 said:

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I thought this thread was going to be about Michelle.

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Disgustingly weak.
Pig.

chazzed said:

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concordtom said:

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chazzed said:

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He was good. It's a shame he had to deal with a GOP that was well into its transition to MAGA lunacy.

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Were they already into their MAGA lunacy pre-2008? Or was it the Obama election that kick started it?

I submit, it was the latter?
Before, I think it was just politicians being politicians, whether that's Clinton-Monica, Bush-Iraq WMD, or whatever.

I posit that MAGA is a racist reaction to Obama. What do you think?

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The movement started in 2009, apparently. So, you may be right.

"The Tea Party movement was an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party that began in 2009."

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Tea Party concept began with a Rick Santelli rant on cnbc, as far as I know.
I think it was more (entirely) a result of the mortgage meltdown crisis (that was the result of ratings agencies that were allowed to carve up crap mortgages and repackage as Grade A) than a racist thing.

What I've had in my mind is Trump's birtherism crap that got radio airtime by Rush Limbaugh, et al.

Oakbear said:

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He was at best a mediocre president

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Would you credit his "mediocre" rating to the fact that he, knowing he was the first non-white President, acted cautiously because he didn't want to promote more bold and changing policies that would allow racists to label ALL blacks as radical and something to be feared?

Oakbear said:

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He was at best a mediocre president
he made a horrible deal with Iran and they got money so sponsor terrorism

mediocre

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Are you aware that the money iran got was THEIR money to begin with? That an international court of arbitration was going to order the US to return it to them? And that he obtained concessions in return for released Irans money back to them?



But Trump blew this up. Hmmm
Just like he blew up the US southern border deal earlier this year - because it's easier for him to brainwash people with chaotic problems than with solutions that his opponents can take credit for.

concordtom said:

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Oakbear said:

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He was at best a mediocre president
he made a horrible deal with Iran and they got money so sponsor terrorism

mediocre

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Are you aware that the money iran got was THEIR money to begin with? That an international court of arbitration was going to order the US to return it to them? And that he obtained concessions in return for released Irans money back to them?

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That is correct. Obama's foreign policy sucked not because of this, but because his sociopath SoS hillary wrecked several countries, including Libya, Syria and Honduras.

Obama was also mediocre domestically, he was a weak figurehead president that made libs feel good about themselves while he served the interests of the oligarchs who created him.

Cornel West, "Now, the last thing you want to do is act as if Barack Obama is some kind of grand progressive figure. No, he was a neo-liberal counterfeit." https://t.co/rBriFfEM2T

— Roro (@rorotrader) November 5, 2019

I was there the night Barack Obama's DHS worked with Mayor Bloomberg's NYPD to violently shut down Occupy Wall St in NYC. It was Nov 15, 2011. Laptops smashed, demonstrators violently arrested and persinal property thrown in sanitation trucks. You did that, Mr. President. pic.twitter.com/gMb2QapzAL

— Prof Zenkus (@anthonyzenkus) April 8, 2023

Mike!

Oakbear said:

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He was at best a mediocre presidebt

acciomplishment ACA which was going to reduce medical costs LOL LOL LOL

then he makes a horrible deal with Iran and they got money so sponsor terrorism

mediocre

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Obamacare was the single largest, most successful cost reduction legislation we've ever had

Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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I thought this thread was going to be about Michelle.

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Disgustingly weak.
Pig.

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I blame the OP and his choice of the ambiguous title.

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Fat pig

Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Oakbear said:

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He was at best a mediocre president
he made a horrible deal with Iran and they got money so sponsor terrorism

mediocre

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Are you aware that the money iran got was THEIR money to begin with? That an international court of arbitration was going to order the US to return it to them? And that he obtained concessions in return for released Irans money back to them?

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That is correct. Obama's foreign policy sucked not because of this, but because his sociopath SoS hillary wrecked several countries, including Libya, Syria and Honduras.

Obama was also mediocre domestically, he was a weak figurehead president that made libs feel good about themselves while he served the interests of the oligarchs who created him.

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Racists will always lead with their spoiled hearts

concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Oakbear said:

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He was at best a mediocre president
he made a horrible deal with Iran and they got money so sponsor terrorism

mediocre

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Are you aware that the money iran got was THEIR money to begin with? That an international court of arbitration was going to order the US to return it to them? And that he obtained concessions in return for released Irans money back to them?

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That is correct. Obama's foreign policy sucked not because of this, but because his sociopath SoS hillary wrecked several countries, including Libya, Syria and Honduras.

Obama was also mediocre domestically, he was a weak figurehead president that made libs feel good about themselves while he served the interests of the oligarchs who created him.

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Racists will always lead with their spoiled hearts

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Instead of throwing cheap insults, you should thank me for informing you about the worst forms of racism being inflicted upon the world by scumbags you support, like Obama's Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton who has schemed to ravage and exploit entire nations.

The real racism is having good people like Honduran grassroots activist Berta Caceres killed, and her country ruined by the overthrow of democratically-elected government directed by Hillary.

On this day in 2016, a death squad trained at the School of the Americas assassinated the Honduran Indigenous activist Berta Cáceres. The murder was planned by the US-backed Honduran government and DESA, a Honduran energy company working with USAID. pic.twitter.com/fdpsGl4uer

— American Values (@Americas_Crimes) March 4, 2018

Just before her assassination, activist Berta Cáceres singled out Hillary Clinton for backing the Honduran couphttps://t.co/N5ah9iYQx7

— Ben Norton (@BenjaminNorton) April 15, 2016

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Racists will always lead with their spoiled hearts

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Instead of throwing cheap insults, you should thank me for informing you about the worst forms of racism being inflicted upon the world by scumbags you support, like Obama's Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton who has schemed to ravage and exploit entire nations.

The real racism is having good people like Honduran grassroots activist Berta Caceres killed, and her country ruined by the overthrow of democratically-elected government directed by Hillary.

On this day in 2016, a death squad trained at the School of the Americas assassinated the Honduran Indigenous activist Berta Cáceres. The murder was planned by the US-backed Honduran government and DESA, a Honduran energy company working with USAID. pic.twitter.com/fdpsGl4uer

— American Values (@Americas_Crimes) March 4, 2018

Just before her assassination, activist Berta Cáceres singled out Hillary Clinton for backing the Honduran couphttps://t.co/N5ah9iYQx7

— Ben Norton (@BenjaminNorton) April 15, 2016

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Accusations = proof in your world. Not mine.

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In your world, these mountains of evidence do not exist:

Before Her Murder, Berta Cceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Criticism
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/chronicle-of-a-honduran-assassination-foretold/

THE MURDER THAT EXPOSED HILLARY CLINTON'S GRIM LEGACY IN HONDURAS
https://fpif.org/murder-exposed-hillary-clintons-grim-legacy-honduras/

Honduran soldier says activist Berta Cceres was killed by U.S.-backed coup regime
Before her death, environmentalist Cceres singled out Hillary Clinton for supporting the military coup in Honduras
https://www.salon.com/2016/06/23/honduran_soldier_says_activist_berta_caceres_was_killed_by_u_s_backed_coup_regime/

The Clinton-backed coup also created a humanitarian crisis in Honduras which fueled mass emigration into the US. That's the side of immigration that many do not see.

My media reports from several reliable independent sources, which you call "stories", state that Berta Caceres, the victim herself, blamed Clinton for having put in place a regime which was going to kill her before they actually did that.

Let's get back to the topic of this thread!

The Obamas are wonderful, intelligent people.