Issues with 2024 Election (all in one thread) Pls keep it just information

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sycasey
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Wait, so the argument is that there is a secret plot to win the Senate race in Arizona, but NOT the Presidency? Do I have that right?
bear2034
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Arizona can still try to win the presidency for Kamala but it's much more difficult because they will have to find a way to get 50 more electoral votes?
bear2034
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In the next election, should we have the state of Florida count ballots for Arizona?
oski003
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bear2034 said:

In the next election, should we have the state of Florida count ballots for Arizona?


That's a great idea. They would have been done on Thursday.
sycasey
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bear2034 said:

Arizona can still try to win the presidency for Kamala but it's much more difficult because they will have to find a way to get 50 more electoral votes?

So this time they only tried the steal in an electorally less useful state and not in Pennsylvania, do I have that right?

These people are bad at secret plots.
Zippergate
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They cheat everywhere they can. Arizona might be the worst because corrupt election officials there allow it to happen. This isn't hard to understand.
bear2034
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Who knows what "they" are trying to do in Arizona? The ridiculous amount of time it's taking to count ballots gives off the appearance that improper behavior is taking place.
bear2034
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Zippergate said:

MAXIMUM sentences for these people. Remember the DOJ's creative use of the Hatch Act on General Flynn? Or the absurd obstruction of an official proceeding charges used against Jan 6 protestors? This is the kind of aggressive prosecution that Trump needs to pursue against these criminals who have attempted to overthrow democracy (and in this case were successful). I want FBI raids, no bail, solitary confinement, going after relatives, the whole nine yards. These people need the Ryan Salame treatment.

That's an actual quote from Maricopa County reader, Stephen Richer.
bear2034
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Huge ballot dump from Maricopa County, AZ after election day with no chain of custody documentation, similar tactics used in the 2022 election.
sycasey
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bear2034 said:

Who knows what "they" are trying to do in Arizona? The ridiculous amount of time it's taking to count ballots gives off the appearance that improper behavior is taking place.
It has always taken this long in Arizona (and Nevada, and California). You folks just haven't been paying attention.

Should it be faster? Yeah, probably. But there's nothing unusual about it.
MinotStateBeav
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sycasey said:

bear2034 said:

Arizona can still try to win the presidency for Kamala but it's much more difficult because they will have to find a way to get 50 more electoral votes?

So this time they only tried the steal in an electorally less useful state and not in Pennsylvania, do I have that right?

These people are bad at secret plots.

There are groups that are trying or tried in PA, a few of have been caught.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/25/nx-s1-5165382/lancaster-county-voter-registration-fraud

I used the most left source I could find.
sycasey
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MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

bear2034 said:

Arizona can still try to win the presidency for Kamala but it's much more difficult because they will have to find a way to get 50 more electoral votes?

So this time they only tried the steal in an electorally less useful state and not in Pennsylvania, do I have that right?

These people are bad at secret plots.

There are groups that are trying or tried in PA, a few of have been caught.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/25/nx-s1-5165382/lancaster-county-voter-registration-fraud

I used the most left source I could find.

Yeah, but this is public. These people were caught and stopped and did something on a small scale. That's not a secret conspiracy.
AunBear89
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Now do the not small number of Republican men who fill out their wives' ballots for them - even after they're dead .

Quit pretending this is the big problem your infotainment bubble tells you it is.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
MinotStateBeav
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sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

bear2034 said:

Arizona can still try to win the presidency for Kamala but it's much more difficult because they will have to find a way to get 50 more electoral votes?

So this time they only tried the steal in an electorally less useful state and not in Pennsylvania, do I have that right?

These people are bad at secret plots.

There are groups that are trying or tried in PA, a few of have been caught.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/25/nx-s1-5165382/lancaster-county-voter-registration-fraud

I used the most left source I could find.

Yeah, but this is public. These people were caught and stopped and did something on a small scale. That's not a secret conspiracy.
Except it wasn't a small scale, it was thousands of fraudulent votes.

sycasey
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MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

bear2034 said:

Arizona can still try to win the presidency for Kamala but it's much more difficult because they will have to find a way to get 50 more electoral votes?

So this time they only tried the steal in an electorally less useful state and not in Pennsylvania, do I have that right?

These people are bad at secret plots.

There are groups that are trying or tried in PA, a few of have been caught.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/25/nx-s1-5165382/lancaster-county-voter-registration-fraud

I used the most left source I could find.

Yeah, but this is public. These people were caught and stopped and did something on a small scale. That's not a secret conspiracy.
Except it wasn't a small scale, it was thousands of fraudulent votes.

It is small scale when you consider how many people live in Pennsylvania.
MinotStateBeav
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sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

bear2034 said:

Arizona can still try to win the presidency for Kamala but it's much more difficult because they will have to find a way to get 50 more electoral votes?

So this time they only tried the steal in an electorally less useful state and not in Pennsylvania, do I have that right?

These people are bad at secret plots.

There are groups that are trying or tried in PA, a few of have been caught.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/25/nx-s1-5165382/lancaster-county-voter-registration-fraud

I used the most left source I could find.

Yeah, but this is public. These people were caught and stopped and did something on a small scale. That's not a secret conspiracy.
Except it wasn't a small scale, it was thousands of fraudulent votes.

It is small scale when you consider how many people live in Pennsylvania.
Thousands of votes in 1 city/county, and multiple cities are being investigated now. That's not that small.
sycasey
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The only lesson we should take away from this is that Kari Lake is the worst candidate ever. Lost a state that Trump won by 6 points. Lost the governor's race two years ago. Why they keep nominating her, I don't know.
bear2034
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Zippergate
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Lawfare cuts two ways. Let the FBI raids begin.

bear2034
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Unusual spikes in vote counts and secret ballot dumps going on in Wisconsin?
Zippergate
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Are election laws real laws? Does breaking them have consequences?
Eff around, find out.
bear2034
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sycasey said:

The only lesson we should take away from this is that Kari Lake is the worst candidate ever. Lost a state that Trump won by 6 points. Lost the governor's race two years ago. Why they keep nominating her, I don't know.


The converse could be true, that Senator Rueben Gallego is the best candidate ever. He's even popular among non-registered Democratic voters!

Voter Registration Statistics | Arizona Secretary of State
bear2034
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Zippergate said:

Are election laws real laws? Does breaking them have consequences?
Eff around, find out.

People will need to be held accountable or Republicans will lose races again in 2026 and beyond.
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bear2034 said:

sycasey said:

The only lesson we should take away from this is that Kari Lake is the worst candidate ever. Lost a state that Trump won by 6 points. Lost the governor's race two years ago. Why they keep nominating her, I don't know.


The converse could be true, that Senator Rueben Gallego is the best candidate ever. He's even popular among non-registered Democratic voters!

Voter Registration Statistics | Arizona Secretary of State
There are 1.4M voters registered as "other" - likely independents. That can possible explain some of this. Re Lake, she's lost a few elections. It appears she's got a solid core within the R party but has limited appeal outside that base.
sycasey
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bear2034 said:

sycasey said:

The only lesson we should take away from this is that Kari Lake is the worst candidate ever. Lost a state that Trump won by 6 points. Lost the governor's race two years ago. Why they keep nominating her, I don't know.


The converse could be true, that Senator Rueben Gallego is the best candidate ever. He's even popular among non-registered Democratic voters!

Voter Registration Statistics | Arizona Secretary of State
Yeah, some people who like Trump don't like Kari Lake and left her off their ballot or voted for Gallego instead. Not complicated.
Zippergate
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There are 1.4M voters registered as "other" - likely independents. That can possible explain some of this. Re Lake, she's lost a few elections. It appears she's got a solid core within the R party but has limited appeal outside that base.

That would be an entirely reasonable assumption if this were all the evidence. But it's not. Expert witness testimony, whisleblowers, it's all there across multiple elections in Arizona. Election laws are meaningless if they are not enforced. Elections are meaningless if rabidly partisan election officials are allowed do whatever the heck they want to to get their desired result.





bear2034
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sycasey said:

bear2034 said:

sycasey said:

The only lesson we should take away from this is that Kari Lake is the worst candidate ever. Lost a state that Trump won by 6 points. Lost the governor's race two years ago. Why they keep nominating her, I don't know.


The converse could be true, that Senator Rueben Gallego is the best candidate ever. He's even popular among non-registered Democratic voters!

Voter Registration Statistics | Arizona Secretary of State
Yeah, some people who like Trump don't like Kari Lake and left her off their ballot or voted for Gallego instead. Not complicated.

Kari Lake is an avid supporter of Trump, I don't see that as a simple explanation for the discrepancy.
bear2034
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tequila4kapp said:

bear2034 said:

sycasey said:

The only lesson we should take away from this is that Kari Lake is the worst candidate ever. Lost a state that Trump won by 6 points. Lost the governor's race two years ago. Why they keep nominating her, I don't know.


The converse could be true, that Senator Rueben Gallego is the best candidate ever. He's even popular among non-registered Democratic voters!

Voter Registration Statistics | Arizona Secretary of State
There are 1.4M voters registered as "other" - likely independents. That can possible explain some of this. Re Lake, she's lost a few elections. It appears she's got a solid core within the R party but has limited appeal outside that base.

Kari Lake is a MAGA candidate and didn't have any financial support from Mitch McConnel in this election.
Zippergate
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One more, perhaps the most damning of all. Watch the videos, particularly the second one. Who deletes all the log files the day before an audit? An election criminal, that's who. Perhaps there's a simple explanation for this. Perhaps it didn't happen and Arizona's election officials are actually the victims here. But that is NOT the way it looks. It looks dirty as heck and the fact that half the country seems to think this is okay is mind blowing.

sycasey
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bear2034 said:

sycasey said:

bear2034 said:

sycasey said:

The only lesson we should take away from this is that Kari Lake is the worst candidate ever. Lost a state that Trump won by 6 points. Lost the governor's race two years ago. Why they keep nominating her, I don't know.


The converse could be true, that Senator Rueben Gallego is the best candidate ever. He's even popular among non-registered Democratic voters!

Voter Registration Statistics | Arizona Secretary of State
Yeah, some people who like Trump don't like Kari Lake and left her off their ballot or voted for Gallego instead. Not complicated.

Kari Lake is an avid supporter of Trump, I don't see that as a simple explanation for the discrepancy.
Just because you support him doesn't mean you are as popular as him. She underperformed in her last election too. She's just a bad candidate.
Anarchistbear
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Gallego got 50%
Trump got 52%

Dem senators won in Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada too

Voters make choices
Zippergate
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Anarchistbear said:

Gallego got 50%
Trump got 52%

Dem senators won in Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada too

Voters make choices
Funny you should mention Wisconsin and Nevada. Trump's win was thankfully too big to rig but his coattails were apparently not long enough to save some Republican candidates.

Question for you. If a truck showed up many hours after the polls closed and dropped boxes of ballots that went 99% to Trump and Republicans, enough to swing the election, would you still think the voters just made a choice?



sycasey
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I didn't think you guys would run with this stupid theory, but I guess I gave you too much credit. Sure, the Democrats ran a scheme to rig the election in multiple states that ONLY elected Senators and not the President. And not even enough Senators to win a majority! And not in Pennsylvania, the most important state!

This is seriously the argument? Lay off the opiates, man. The easier explanation is that Trump is just more popular than other Republican candidates. Seen plenty of evidence for this over the last 8 years.
Anarchistbear
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Zippergate said:

Anarchistbear said:

Gallego got 50%
Trump got 52%

Dem senators won in Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada too

Voters make choices
Funny you should mention Wisconsin and Nevada. Trump's win was thankfully too big to rig but his coattails were apparently not long enough to save some Republican candidates.

Question for you. If a truck showed up many hours after the polls closed and dropped boxes of ballots that went 99% to Trump and Republicans, enough to swing the election, would you still think the voters just made a choice?







I think it's all bat**** nonsense. The Dems had well liked incumbents in three states. Trump's "mandate" in those states is about 50-51%-

Gallego is a vet, a congressman and a Hispanic. Lake is a quack who never won anything


Zippergate
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sycasey said:

I didn't think you guys would run with this stupid theory, but I guess I gave you too much credit. Sure, the Democrats ran a scheme to rig the election in multiple states that ONLY elected Senators and not the President. And not even enough Senators to win a majority! And not in Pennsylvania, the most important state!

This is seriously the argument? Lay off the opiates, man. The easier explanation is that Trump is just more popular than other Republican candidates. Seen plenty of evidence for this over the last 8 years.
So we're supposed to believe that because the Dems failed, there was no election fraud. Riiiiiiight. Then what do you do with 2020? I suppose by your logic, this proves that the 2020 election was stolen. And what do you do with all these reports by whistleblowers, experts and election observers of widespread cheating in all the battleground states? You just pretend that they don't exist. If you honest and gave this topic five minutes of thought, you would quickly realize that there are real restraints on the number of illegal votes that can be manufactured (unless we talking the Dominion voting machines which can be manipulated to show any result one wants). This is why one of Trump's strategies was "too big to rig."

 
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