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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 3:24p, 1/25/25
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Big C said:
bear2034 said:

This is an interesting observation. Democrats have been oddly quiet about Trump's order to shut down DEI offices.

The idea of DEI is right, not wrong*, but then people sometimes get carried away and do nutty stuff. And it's quite doubtful that organizations need to have "DEI czars", with all that entails, at the senior executive level.

Maybe our very own DEI poster movielover would like to weigh in here?



* my biggest concern about DEI is defining "equity"
People get all bent out of shape about DEI, but having taken yearly DEI training for about 10 years, it's basically the Golden Rule. Treat others the way you'd like to be treated. I don't why that's so controversial.


Because conservative white men miss the good old days when they could tell sexist, racist, and/or homophobic jokes at work and elsewhere in public with impunity.


And whining about "political correctness " is so 1990s. So now we have "woke".
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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In reply to AunBear89 • 3:29p, 1/25/25
If Trump made a decision to identify as a woman to become the first woman president, would the lefties object or celebrate?
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In reply to AunBear89 • 3:35p, 1/25/25
AunBear89 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Big C said:
bear2034 said:

This is an interesting observation. Democrats have been oddly quiet about Trump's order to shut down DEI offices.

The idea of DEI is right, not wrong*, but then people sometimes get carried away and do nutty stuff. And it's quite doubtful that organizations need to have "DEI czars", with all that entails, at the senior executive level.

Maybe our very own DEI poster movielover would like to weigh in here?



* my biggest concern about DEI is defining "equity"
People get all bent out of shape about DEI, but having taken yearly DEI training for about 10 years, it's basically the Golden Rule. Treat others the way you'd like to be treated. I don't why that's so controversial.


Because conservative white men miss the good old days when they could tell sexist, racist, and/or homophobic jokes at work and elsewhere in public with impunity.


And whining about "political correctness " is so 1990s. So now we have "woke".

also "DEI"
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In reply to Big C • 3:38p, 1/25/25

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.
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In reply to bear2034 • 5:19p, 1/25/25
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.
Gee, no mention of prejudice in the Jim Crow, pre Civil Right Movement era. Who would have thunk it?
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In reply to bear2034 • 2:46p, 1/27/25
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.

Yeah, my dad told me that 1955 was a great year to be an American! I mean, for white, heterosexual Christian males who didn't have to worry about the "woke" issues.

Doesn't that suck that we can't go back to the "good ol' days"?
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In reply to Big C • 1:28p, 1/28/25
Big C said:
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.

Yeah, my dad told me that 1955 was a great year to be an American! I mean, for white, heterosexual Christian males who didn't have to worry about the "woke" issues.

Doesn't that suck that we can't go back to the "good ol' days"?


"I pine for the sheer stupidity of the old macho days, when men would brandish hammers and build huge, bulky cars that sucked up gas and tore open the ozone layer and crushed small animals beneath totally useless but totally cool-looking tailfins.
When men were apes with good shoes and a dental plan. John Wayne, John Huston, Bill Holden, Bob Mitchum, Clark Gable, Babe Ruth, Lee Marvin, Sam Peckinpah. Men who drank and fought and puked and ate raw meat right off the bone and drank some more and fought some more and puked again and kept on drinking.
Men who died of massive heart attacks or sudden brain seizures or who just plain f@ucking blew up. Men who had cancer six or seven times. Men made of leather."
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In reply to bearister • 12:05p, 1/31/25
bearister said:
Big C said:
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.

Yeah, my dad told me that 1955 was a great year to be an American! I mean, for white, heterosexual Christian males who didn't have to worry about the "woke" issues.

Doesn't that suck that we can't go back to the "good ol' days"?
"I pine for the sheer stupidity of the old macho days, when men would brandish hammers and build huge, bulky cars that sucked up gas and tore open the ozone layer and crushed small animals beneath totally useless but totally cool-looking tailfins.
When men were apes with good shoes and a dental plan. John Wayne, John Huston, Bill Holden, Bob Mitchum, Clark Gable, Babe Ruth, Lee Marvin, Sam Peckinpah. Men who drank and fought and puked and ate raw meat right off the bone and drank some more and fought some more and puked again and kept on drinking.
Men who died of massive heart attacks or sudden brain seizures or who just plain f@ucking blew up. Men who had cancer six or seven times. Men made of leather."
-Denis Leary

Well, you won't find the men that Dennis Leary is describing in the Democratic Party. They're all cucks.
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1:10a, 2/2/25

They're taking the loss better than expected.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 4:47a, 2/2/25
tequila4kapp said:


We need to remember that 70% thought the economy was bad

… given the 70% number this was always going to be a tough election for the D candidate.


Tell me, why did 70%, as you claim, think the economy was bad?

Because by my account it was pretty damn good!!
Stock market up.
Inflation only slightly above the 2% target.
Interest rates in normal historical range.
Employment basically "full".

You know what I think?
I think people are too stupid to think for themselves, and instead believe whatever they are told, and so when they turn on the TV and hear trump telling them it's the worst economy ever, they believe him. And when the right wing media tells them the economy is bad, or to be afraid of immigrants or to be outraged if someone with a Peter between their legs feels emotionally like a female, they believe them.

Every time I hear others say something that's just not true, like "Jesus rose from the dead 3 days after being killed, and moved the crypt stone and walked away on his own, explaining to others in full health and strength", I simply say: oh, that person has been brainwashed into believing something that is not true.

But, sorry, please tell me why YOU think 70% think the economy was bad.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 4:52a, 2/2/25
tequila4kapp said:
BearGoggles said:

Peggy Noonan is usually on point.

The part I noticed:

"This year I felt people would be choosing a path, not a person . . . I think that's what happened. Tens of millions of people who didn't like Donald Trump voted for the path he promised."

I think that's dead on. And it is something people with TDS refuse to acknowledge.

I also think Trump's victory or "mandate' is a bit overstated. Had the Dems run a better candidate, he very well could have lost. And by "better" I mean one that was either more likeable or more centrist (or both). Even Newsome (burdened by California's leftist agenda) would have done better simply because he's much more likeable and a better retail politician. Obama won mostly on likability and charisma, though his platform was much more centrist than Kamala's.

The other point not mentioned is that Trump has essentially mooted the tea party element of the republican party. That may not be the best thing when it comes to deficits . . . but on the whole it moved the republicans to the center.
Generally agree.

We need to remember that 70% thought the economy was bad and we are headed in the wrong direction. That's path, not person.

I thought Harris was a weak choice and ran a bad campaign. I hoped they'd pick a more obvious centrist. Pelosi and Obama apparently expected a quick open primary - which at least would have been more democratic, even if Harris was the choice. But given the 70% number this was always going to be a tough election for the D candidate.


I think you are rationalizing.

You lean in favor of Republicans, but you see them going in wrong direction and are trying to come up with a rationality for your lean. I know you say "I didn't vote for trump", but it sure sounds like you are saying

"I'm not for trump, but I AM for his path, therefore I'm for him."

How often do people say, I don't like trump but I like his policies.
All the time.
It's a cop out. Y'all are fooling yourselves.
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In reply to bear2034 • 5:00a, 2/2/25
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.


Woke.
Mind.
Virus.

Hmmm. What the heck kind of expression is that??
You know what I think it means?
I think it mean, "I don't understand the graphs you are showing me", or
"I don't understand the concept you are explaining - what do you mean, a person born with a man's body has a women's identity in their mind?"
"Rather than think about something I don't understand, I'll just chalk it up to 'woke mind virus' and call it a day."

Simpletons.
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In reply to concordtom • 12:07p, 2/2/25
concordtom said:
tequila4kapp said:


We need to remember that 70% thought the economy was bad

… given the 70% number this was always going to be a tough election for the D candidate.


Tell me, why did 70%, as you claim, think the economy was bad?

Because by my account it was pretty damn good!!
Stock market up.
Inflation only slightly above the 2% target.
Interest rates in normal historical range.
Employment basically "full".

You know what I think?
I think people are too stupid to think for themselves, and instead believe whatever they are told, and so when they turn on the TV and hear trump telling them it's the worst economy ever, they believe him. And when the right wing media tells them the economy is bad, or to be afraid of immigrants or to be outraged if someone with a Peter between their legs feels emotionally like a female, they believe them.

Every time I hear others say something that's just not true, like "Jesus rose from the dead 3 days after being killed, and moved the crypt stone and walked away on his own, explaining to others in full health and strength", I simply say: oh, that person has been brainwashed into believing something that is not true.

But, sorry, please tell me why YOU think 70% think the economy was bad.
Here's my sense. 50% of tax returns in 2021 (latest year I could find) reflected income less than $46,637. Throw in spouses and those who don't even file, and you you're at or above 70%. I doubt things have changed materially since then.

These people have far less discretionary income than those who earn more, so inflation hits them much harder. Current inflation is low, but the cumulative impact on their purchasing power is still present. I would guess that few of them have substantial stock investments, IRAs or 401ks, so they're not getting any relief there.

We're old farts with a paid off mortgage and more retirement income than we can spend. So for us the economy is just fine. Not so much for a young family trying to get by on $50,000 a year.
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In reply to concordtom • 3:16p, 2/2/25
concordtom said:
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.


Woke.
Mind.
Virus.

Hmmm. What the heck kind of expression is that??

How about this then?

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In reply to Genocide Joe 88 • 5:05p, 2/2/25
Return of the King said:
Don't worry everybody. Democrats are only going to take money from the good billionaires, not the bad billionaires.



Here's Ken Klippenstein having some fun with the DOGE amateur hour over at OPM:



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Fact check: True.
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In reply to LudwigsFountain • 10:01p, 2/2/25
LudwigsFountain said:
concordtom said:
tequila4kapp said:


We need to remember that 70% thought the economy was bad

… given the 70% number this was always going to be a tough election for the D candidate.


Tell me, why did 70%, as you claim, think the economy was bad?

Because by my account it was pretty damn good!!
Stock market up.
Inflation only slightly above the 2% target.
Interest rates in normal historical range.
Employment basically "full".

You know what I think?
I think people are too stupid to think for themselves, and instead believe whatever they are told, and so when they turn on the TV and hear trump telling them it's the worst economy ever, they believe him. And when the right wing media tells them the economy is bad, or to be afraid of immigrants or to be outraged if someone with a Peter between their legs feels emotionally like a female, they believe them.

Every time I hear others say something that's just not true, like "Jesus rose from the dead 3 days after being killed, and moved the crypt stone and walked away on his own, explaining to others in full health and strength", I simply say: oh, that person has been brainwashed into believing something that is not true.

But, sorry, please tell me why YOU think 70% think the economy was bad.
Here's my sense. 50% of tax returns in 2021 (latest year I could find) reflected income less than $46,637. Throw in spouses and those who don't even file, and you you're at or above 70%. I doubt things have changed materially since then.

These people have far less discretionary income than those who earn more, so inflation hits them much harder. Current inflation is low, but the cumulative impact on their purchasing power is still present. I would guess that few of them have substantial stock investments, IRAs or 401ks, so they're not getting any relief there.

We're old farts with a paid off mortgage and more retirement income than we can spend. So for us the economy is just fine. Not so much for a young family trying to get by on $50,000 a year.


It's refreshing that there are still some reasonable, sane people who occasionally venture over to OT to post reasonable and sane comments.
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In reply to Cal88 • 8:09p, 2/6/25
Cal88 said:


Quote:
You conspired to block Bernie.

You discarded and defamed @TulsiGabbard

You didn't invite @elonmusk to a summit on electric vehicles?

You blocked @RobertKennedyJr and others from having any path to make their cause in a primary.

You embraced wokeism and identity politics, demonizing the evil, white cisgender male population, extra scorn for those who have attained financial wealth.

You further insult them by telling them that they didn't vote for Kamala because they are racist and mysogonist.

You then anointed the most unpopular VP of all time and tried to gaslight us into thinking she is the next coming because Meg Stallion shook her ass on stage to get the vote out because…. "Joy"

What exactly did you expect would happen?

These are your sins. Will you learn from them? Or continue to repeat them?

America has spoken, and they are not buying what the @DNC is selling.

Wake up call.

Excellent rant.



Good list, many more examples
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In reply to NVBear78 • 9:46a, 2/7/25
Keep spiking the ball before the goal line…

MAGA - we celebrate victory because we assume it is our birthright!
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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In reply to Genocide Joe 89 • 5:52p, 2/9/25
Return of the King said:

Of course, most of those millions never had the income to afford to buy a home and never should have had their loans approved in the first place. Also, the economy would have had a much worse recession/depression if all the big banks and stock brokerages had been allowed to collapse, but thinking about that would harsh the buzz of your Obama Is The Root Of All Evil mantra.
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In reply to Genocide Joe 89 • 7:08p, 2/9/25
Return of the King said:


Yes.

Obama however was never who he was packaged to be.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 7:13p, 2/9/25
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Return of the King said:

Of course, most of those millions never had the income to afford to buy a home and never should have had their loans approved in the first place. Also, the economy would have had a much worse recession/depression if all the big banks and stock brokerages had been allowed to collapse,

Not really.
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In reply to Genocide Joe 89 • 7:29p, 2/9/25
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Obama bailed out Wall Street while Main Street lost their retirement savings.
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1:28a, 2/13/25

What happened to the Democratic Party?
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11:33a, 2/15/25

What happened to moderate Democrats?
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In reply to bear2034 • 11:38a, 2/15/25
The same thing that happened to moderate Republicans. No voice.

"Trump is also making exactly the same mistake as Biden did. Biden refused to have any enemies to his left, enabling crazies and extremists and fanatics to run riot in his administration. Trump has a no-enemies-to-the-right approach which means, for example, he is more than happy to rehire a grown man who just a few months ago tweeted "Normalize Indian hate," "Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool," and "You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity." If expressing neo-Nazi views does not disqualify you from the Trump team, nothing does."
-Andrew Sullivan

Trump's "Shock And Awe" Month - by Andrew Sullivan


https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/trumps-shock-and-awe-month-7a9
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In reply to bearister • 11:47a, 2/15/25
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The same thing that happened to moderate Republicans. No voice.

Name some moderate Republicans.
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11:56a, 2/17/25
There is no waste, fraud, and abuse in government. --Democrats 2025

Please run on this.
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In reply to bear2034 • 9:12a, 2/21/25
No. He has it wrong. He's as dishonest and full of it as the rest of the Right Social Media Bubble.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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In reply to Return of the King • 6:35p, 2/24/25
" I need everyone to grasp that the problem with Dems……is their shi@itty pro-billionaire, anti-worker politics."

Thank God Trump/Musk aren't like that.
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