The Official Democrats Lack of Self-Reflection As To Why They Lost Thread

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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 3:24p, 1/25/25
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Big C said:
bear2034 said:

This is an interesting observation. Democrats have been oddly quiet about Trump's order to shut down DEI offices.

The idea of DEI is right, not wrong*, but then people sometimes get carried away and do nutty stuff. And it's quite doubtful that organizations need to have "DEI czars", with all that entails, at the senior executive level.

Maybe our very own DEI poster movielover would like to weigh in here?



* my biggest concern about DEI is defining "equity"
People get all bent out of shape about DEI, but having taken yearly DEI training for about 10 years, it's basically the Golden Rule. Treat others the way you'd like to be treated. I don't why that's so controversial.


Because conservative white men miss the good old days when they could tell sexist, racist, and/or homophobic jokes at work and elsewhere in public with impunity.


And whining about "political correctness " is so 1990s. So now we have "woke".
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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In reply to AunBear89 • 3:29p, 1/25/25
If Trump made a decision to identify as a woman to become the first woman president, would the lefties object or celebrate?
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In reply to AunBear89 • 3:35p, 1/25/25
AunBear89 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Big C said:
bear2034 said:

This is an interesting observation. Democrats have been oddly quiet about Trump's order to shut down DEI offices.

The idea of DEI is right, not wrong*, but then people sometimes get carried away and do nutty stuff. And it's quite doubtful that organizations need to have "DEI czars", with all that entails, at the senior executive level.

Maybe our very own DEI poster movielover would like to weigh in here?



* my biggest concern about DEI is defining "equity"
People get all bent out of shape about DEI, but having taken yearly DEI training for about 10 years, it's basically the Golden Rule. Treat others the way you'd like to be treated. I don't why that's so controversial.


Because conservative white men miss the good old days when they could tell sexist, racist, and/or homophobic jokes at work and elsewhere in public with impunity.


And whining about "political correctness " is so 1990s. So now we have "woke".

also "DEI"
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In reply to Big C • 3:38p, 1/25/25

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.
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In reply to bear2034 • 5:19p, 1/25/25
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It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.
Gee, no mention of prejudice in the Jim Crow, pre Civil Right Movement era. Who would have thunk it?
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2:25p, 1/27/25
Banger after banger in this opinion piece


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Donald Trump's second victory cannot be attributed to any unhappy accident of eighteenth-century constitutionalism. This time, he won not only the Electoral College, that antique curiosity, but the popular vote as well. In the end, Trump's national margin over Kamala Harris was just 1.5 percentnarrow in the manner of all mandates within our entrenched politics. Yet even this slender triumph was disorienting to his Democratic opponents, who had again staked everything on the notion that Trump was fundamentally unacceptable to the American people. Somehow, this year, they were more wrong than they had ever been before.

After such a campaign and such a result, one natural response was a revival of the classic Brechtian proposal to dissolve the people and elect another. For the columnist Jill Filipovic, "this election was not an indictment of Kamala Harris. It was an indictment of America." "Our mistake," wrote Rebecca Solnit, "was to think we lived in a better country than we do." Such proclamations reflect a deep unease with the basic concept of representative democracya foundational if sometimes dormant element of liberalism itself that was reactivated in 2016 and is likely to assume larger proportions during the second Trump Administration.

At least dramatic proclamations of this kind have the virtues of candor and comprehensiveness. Elsewhere, Trump's manifold opponents struggled to produce even a partial theory that might explain the results and also let themselves off the hook. This was a difficult business because the 2024 electionwhich amounted to something like a working-class revolt against the Democratic Partydrove a bulldozer through every paradigm.

As Trump claimed victory, many left-of-center pundits returned to their favorite talking point from 2016: the indelible racism and misogyny of the American public. Yet, as the deadpan blogger Matt Bruenig delights in observing, the raw majority of Trump voters have always been women and people of color. In this year's election, virtually every demographic in the country shifted toward Trumpyounger women, unmarried women, non-white women, indeed all women; Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and Arab Americans. As an explanation for why Joe Biden won but Harris lostwith Trump athwart what may be the most racially diverse Republican coalition since Ulysses S. Grantmass bigotry leaves something to be desired.

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In reply to bear2034 • 2:46p, 1/27/25
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.

Yeah, my dad told me that 1955 was a great year to be an American! I mean, for white, heterosexual Christian males who didn't have to worry about the "woke" issues.

Doesn't that suck that we can't go back to the "good ol' days"?
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In reply to Big C • 1:28p, 1/28/25
Big C said:
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.

Yeah, my dad told me that 1955 was a great year to be an American! I mean, for white, heterosexual Christian males who didn't have to worry about the "woke" issues.

Doesn't that suck that we can't go back to the "good ol' days"?


"I pine for the sheer stupidity of the old macho days, when men would brandish hammers and build huge, bulky cars that sucked up gas and tore open the ozone layer and crushed small animals beneath totally useless but totally cool-looking tailfins.
When men were apes with good shoes and a dental plan. John Wayne, John Huston, Bill Holden, Bob Mitchum, Clark Gable, Babe Ruth, Lee Marvin, Sam Peckinpah. Men who drank and fought and puked and ate raw meat right off the bone and drank some more and fought some more and puked again and kept on drinking.
Men who died of massive heart attacks or sudden brain seizures or who just plain f@ucking blew up. Men who had cancer six or seven times. Men made of leather."
-Denis Leary
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In reply to bearister • 12:05p, 1/31/25
bearister said:
Big C said:
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.

Yeah, my dad told me that 1955 was a great year to be an American! I mean, for white, heterosexual Christian males who didn't have to worry about the "woke" issues.

Doesn't that suck that we can't go back to the "good ol' days"?
"I pine for the sheer stupidity of the old macho days, when men would brandish hammers and build huge, bulky cars that sucked up gas and tore open the ozone layer and crushed small animals beneath totally useless but totally cool-looking tailfins.
When men were apes with good shoes and a dental plan. John Wayne, John Huston, Bill Holden, Bob Mitchum, Clark Gable, Babe Ruth, Lee Marvin, Sam Peckinpah. Men who drank and fought and puked and ate raw meat right off the bone and drank some more and fought some more and puked again and kept on drinking.
Men who died of massive heart attacks or sudden brain seizures or who just plain f@ucking blew up. Men who had cancer six or seven times. Men made of leather."
-Denis Leary

Well, you won't find the men that Dennis Leary is describing in the Democratic Party. They're all cucks.
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1:10a, 2/2/25

They're taking the loss better than expected.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 4:47a, 2/2/25
tequila4kapp said:


We need to remember that 70% thought the economy was bad

… given the 70% number this was always going to be a tough election for the D candidate.


Tell me, why did 70%, as you claim, think the economy was bad?

Because by my account it was pretty damn good!!
Stock market up.
Inflation only slightly above the 2% target.
Interest rates in normal historical range.
Employment basically "full".

You know what I think?
I think people are too stupid to think for themselves, and instead believe whatever they are told, and so when they turn on the TV and hear trump telling them it's the worst economy ever, they believe him. And when the right wing media tells them the economy is bad, or to be afraid of immigrants or to be outraged if someone with a Peter between their legs feels emotionally like a female, they believe them.

Every time I hear others say something that's just not true, like "Jesus rose from the dead 3 days after being killed, and moved the crypt stone and walked away on his own, explaining to others in full health and strength", I simply say: oh, that person has been brainwashed into believing something that is not true.

But, sorry, please tell me why YOU think 70% think the economy was bad.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 4:52a, 2/2/25
tequila4kapp said:
BearGoggles said:

Peggy Noonan is usually on point.

The part I noticed:

"This year I felt people would be choosing a path, not a person . . . I think that's what happened. Tens of millions of people who didn't like Donald Trump voted for the path he promised."

I think that's dead on. And it is something people with TDS refuse to acknowledge.

I also think Trump's victory or "mandate' is a bit overstated. Had the Dems run a better candidate, he very well could have lost. And by "better" I mean one that was either more likeable or more centrist (or both). Even Newsome (burdened by California's leftist agenda) would have done better simply because he's much more likeable and a better retail politician. Obama won mostly on likability and charisma, though his platform was much more centrist than Kamala's.

The other point not mentioned is that Trump has essentially mooted the tea party element of the republican party. That may not be the best thing when it comes to deficits . . . but on the whole it moved the republicans to the center.
Generally agree.

We need to remember that 70% thought the economy was bad and we are headed in the wrong direction. That's path, not person.

I thought Harris was a weak choice and ran a bad campaign. I hoped they'd pick a more obvious centrist. Pelosi and Obama apparently expected a quick open primary - which at least would have been more democratic, even if Harris was the choice. But given the 70% number this was always going to be a tough election for the D candidate.


I think you are rationalizing.

You lean in favor of Republicans, but you see them going in wrong direction and are trying to come up with a rationality for your lean. I know you say "I didn't vote for trump", but it sure sounds like you are saying

"I'm not for trump, but I AM for his path, therefore I'm for him."

How often do people say, I don't like trump but I like his policies.
All the time.
It's a cop out. Y'all are fooling yourselves.
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In reply to bear2034 • 5:00a, 2/2/25
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.


Woke.
Mind.
Virus.

Hmmm. What the heck kind of expression is that??
You know what I think it means?
I think it mean, "I don't understand the graphs you are showing me", or
"I don't understand the concept you are explaining - what do you mean, a person born with a man's body has a women's identity in their mind?"
"Rather than think about something I don't understand, I'll just chalk it up to 'woke mind virus' and call it a day."

Simpletons.
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In reply to concordtom • 12:07p, 2/2/25
concordtom said:
tequila4kapp said:


We need to remember that 70% thought the economy was bad

… given the 70% number this was always going to be a tough election for the D candidate.


Tell me, why did 70%, as you claim, think the economy was bad?

Because by my account it was pretty damn good!!
Stock market up.
Inflation only slightly above the 2% target.
Interest rates in normal historical range.
Employment basically "full".

You know what I think?
I think people are too stupid to think for themselves, and instead believe whatever they are told, and so when they turn on the TV and hear trump telling them it's the worst economy ever, they believe him. And when the right wing media tells them the economy is bad, or to be afraid of immigrants or to be outraged if someone with a Peter between their legs feels emotionally like a female, they believe them.

Every time I hear others say something that's just not true, like "Jesus rose from the dead 3 days after being killed, and moved the crypt stone and walked away on his own, explaining to others in full health and strength", I simply say: oh, that person has been brainwashed into believing something that is not true.

But, sorry, please tell me why YOU think 70% think the economy was bad.
Here's my sense. 50% of tax returns in 2021 (latest year I could find) reflected income less than $46,637. Throw in spouses and those who don't even file, and you you're at or above 70%. I doubt things have changed materially since then.

These people have far less discretionary income than those who earn more, so inflation hits them much harder. Current inflation is low, but the cumulative impact on their purchasing power is still present. I would guess that few of them have substantial stock investments, IRAs or 401ks, so they're not getting any relief there.

We're old farts with a paid off mortgage and more retirement income than we can spend. So for us the economy is just fine. Not so much for a young family trying to get by on $50,000 a year.
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In reply to concordtom • 3:16p, 2/2/25
concordtom said:
bear2034 said:

It would appear one could blame the woke mind virus that has infected the country in recent years on academia.


Woke.
Mind.
Virus.

Hmmm. What the heck kind of expression is that??

How about this then?

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In reply to Return of the King • 5:05p, 2/2/25
Return of the King said:
Don't worry everybody. Democrats are only going to take money from the good billionaires, not the bad billionaires.



Here's Ken Klippenstein having some fun with the DOGE amateur hour over at OPM:



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Fact check: True.
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In reply to LudwigsFountain • 10:01p, 2/2/25
LudwigsFountain said:
concordtom said:
tequila4kapp said:


We need to remember that 70% thought the economy was bad

… given the 70% number this was always going to be a tough election for the D candidate.


Tell me, why did 70%, as you claim, think the economy was bad?

Because by my account it was pretty damn good!!
Stock market up.
Inflation only slightly above the 2% target.
Interest rates in normal historical range.
Employment basically "full".

You know what I think?
I think people are too stupid to think for themselves, and instead believe whatever they are told, and so when they turn on the TV and hear trump telling them it's the worst economy ever, they believe him. And when the right wing media tells them the economy is bad, or to be afraid of immigrants or to be outraged if someone with a Peter between their legs feels emotionally like a female, they believe them.

Every time I hear others say something that's just not true, like "Jesus rose from the dead 3 days after being killed, and moved the crypt stone and walked away on his own, explaining to others in full health and strength", I simply say: oh, that person has been brainwashed into believing something that is not true.

But, sorry, please tell me why YOU think 70% think the economy was bad.
Here's my sense. 50% of tax returns in 2021 (latest year I could find) reflected income less than $46,637. Throw in spouses and those who don't even file, and you you're at or above 70%. I doubt things have changed materially since then.

These people have far less discretionary income than those who earn more, so inflation hits them much harder. Current inflation is low, but the cumulative impact on their purchasing power is still present. I would guess that few of them have substantial stock investments, IRAs or 401ks, so they're not getting any relief there.

We're old farts with a paid off mortgage and more retirement income than we can spend. So for us the economy is just fine. Not so much for a young family trying to get by on $50,000 a year.


It's refreshing that there are still some reasonable, sane people who occasionally venture over to OT to post reasonable and sane comments.
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