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tequila4kapp said:

It's what I've been saying forever. On numerous issues Trump is actually a 19(pick the decade) Democrat.

Trump is a New Deal Democrat?

1. Economic protectionist - pro-labor, pro-working class
2. Anti-war foreign policy
3. Moderate, populist social policy
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Ms. Ungar-Sargon looked fairly hot on Bill Maher last week (hopefully he profited), but I'm struggling to remember which plank of the New Deal was about shrinking government so the rich could get even richer.
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oski003 said:

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Scientists have not cured pancreatic patients with an mRNA vaccines as the tweeter incorrectly states. 6 out of 8 recipients in a phase 1 study showed an immune response that correlated with a delayed recurrence.
Researchers do not yet know if the vaccine caused the delay in cancer recurrence; investigating this question is a goal of an ongoing randomized phase 2 clinical trial. Phase 1 trials showing good results are a dime a dozen. Rarely are the results proven in a phase 3.



Oh then we're all good to cut funding for research that might lead to a breakthrough! My mistake.
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Seems pretty clear that the "Venezuelan gangsters" that the Trump administration deported with zero due process are not all actually gangsters and some of them are probably citizens or legal residents. And yet they are sitting in a prison in El Salvador right now. This is authoritarian, and if they can do this to these people they can do it to anyone.

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sycasey said:

Seems pretty clear that the "Venezuelan gangsters" that the Trump administration deported with zero due process are not all actually gangsters and some of them are probably citizens or legal residents. And yet they are sitting in a prison in El Salvador right now. This is authoritarian, and if they can do this to these people they can do it to anyone.


Despicable and sickening. They at least deserved a hearing before deportation.
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movielover said:




This just could not be more wrong, dangerous and stupid.

We are allowed to disagree with each other about what the law says and requires.

We change laws when we dislike how some element of society is not working - such as District Judges issuing nationwide TRO's - we fix it with new laws.

We impeach people for illegality and impropriety. Only.
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Not exactly. His office also is compromised as it was discovered to be the source of a monumentally historic leak.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

sycasey said:

Seems pretty clear that the "Venezuelan gangsters" that the Trump administration deported with zero due process are not all actually gangsters and some of them are probably citizens or legal residents. And yet they are sitting in a prison in El Salvador right now. This is authoritarian, and if they can do this to these people they can do it to anyone.


Despicable and sickening. They at least deserved a hearing before deportation.
Should also say that in order to support this action, the administration is relying on a pretty (IMO) distorted interpretation of the Alien Enemies Act . . . the same act that was used to support Japanese internment during WW2. This seems bad!

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movielover said:

Not exactly. His office also is compromised as it was discovered to be the source of a monumentally historic leak.


I am not following the leak - what it was, how severe it was, etc. If he personally leaked something and that leak rose to the level of Illegality or serious impropriety then Impeachment could be an option. However, short of that the normal - and appropriate - remedy is recusal, not Impeachment.

Also note that none of the calls for Impeachment spoke to this, just the 'badness' of his TRO decision. This appears to be an after the fact new development that is getting piggy-backed on the original calls for Impeachment.

Given the way Impeachment was weaponized against Trump - at least in the eyes of some people mostly on The Right - the answer should be judicious (no pun intended) use of Impeachment, not tit for tat badness in return.
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President Trump and Elon Musk bring our astronauts home.



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tequila4kapp
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We are at an inflection point.

A lot of issues are going to end up at SCOTUS. The admin will win some and lose some.

Politically, the Admin is on the right side of nearly every one of these issues...though their execution of the policies is often flawed and/or provocative. Democrats are on the wrong side of nearly every one of these issues. Will they continue to dig in their heals to fight Trump at every turn for the sake of fighting Trump or will they smarten up and adjust so they win more elections in the future?
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tequila4kapp said:

We are at an inflection point.

A lot of issues are going to end up at SCOTUS. The admin will win some and lose some.

Politically, the Admin is on the right side of nearly every one of these issues...though their execution of the policies is often flawed and/or provocative. Democrats are on the wrong side of nearly every one of these issues. Will they continue to dig in their heals to fight Trump at every turn for the sake of fighting Trump or will they smarten up and adjust so they win more elections in the future?
Not sure about that. These things can turn very quickly.

For example, I'm sure "deport non-citizen criminals" is a very popular position. But "arrest people and send them away with no hearing or trial" is probably not popular at all. How you do it is very important. Democrats would be 100% right to fight that.
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sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

We are at an inflection point.

A lot of issues are going to end up at SCOTUS. The admin will win some and lose some.

Politically, the Admin is on the right side of nearly every one of these issues...though their execution of the policies is often flawed and/or provocative. Democrats are on the wrong side of nearly every one of these issues. Will they continue to dig in their heals to fight Trump at every turn for the sake of fighting Trump or will they smarten up and adjust so they win more elections in the future?
Not sure about that. These things can turn very quickly.

For example, I'm sure "deport non-citizen criminals" is a very popular position. But "arrest people and send them away with no hearing or trial" is probably not popular at all. How you do it is very important. Democrats would be 100% right to fight that.
I agree but that goes to my point about execution of the policy vs the political issue itself.

Maybe it is the media I tend to consume but I don't see any D's saying that full sentence - "we must remove criminal aliens, but in doing so we must follow the law." (or anything to that effect). They only say "Trump is evil / a threat to democracy and we must fight his illegal actions." They utilize the wrong predicate to get to the result. This plays well to the Progressive Left - the activists on the street, their big Hollywood supporters, their Soros donors. But "Joe Six Pack" won't give a **** about the rights of criminal illegal aliens. That's why it is a stupid political move.

The one area I can think of where Trump F'd this up is the firing of federal employees. Those people are actual voters. He just turned some 500K people in to D voters. Let's say 200K were already D voters...now a higher percentage of them will vote at the mid-terms. The other 300K are independents and R's...and their voting patterns will trend D. These people are not just concentrated in Norther Virginia and DC. R's will lose some number of close house seats because of this.
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tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

We are at an inflection point.

A lot of issues are going to end up at SCOTUS. The admin will win some and lose some.

Politically, the Admin is on the right side of nearly every one of these issues...though their execution of the policies is often flawed and/or provocative. Democrats are on the wrong side of nearly every one of these issues. Will they continue to dig in their heals to fight Trump at every turn for the sake of fighting Trump or will they smarten up and adjust so they win more elections in the future?
Not sure about that. These things can turn very quickly.

For example, I'm sure "deport non-citizen criminals" is a very popular position. But "arrest people and send them away with no hearing or trial" is probably not popular at all. How you do it is very important. Democrats would be 100% right to fight that.
I agree but that goes to my point about execution of the policy vs the political issue itself.

Maybe it is the media I tend to consume but I don't see any D's saying that full sentence - "we must remove criminal aliens, but in doing so we must follow the law." (or anything to that effect). They only say "Trump is evil / a threat to democracy and we must fight his illegal actions." They utilize the wrong predicate to get to the result. This plays well to the Progressive Left - the activists on the street, their big Hollywood supporters, their Soros donors. But "Joe Six Pack" won't give a **** about the rights of criminal illegal aliens. That's why it is a stupid political move.

The one area I can think of where Trump F'd this up is the firing of federal employees. Those people are actual voters. He just turned some 500K people in to D voters. Let's say 200K were already D voters...now a higher percentage of them will vote at the mid-terms. The other 300K are independents and R's...and their voting patterns will trend D. These people are not just concentrated in Norther Virginia and DC. R's will lose some number of close house seats because of this.
Some are getting there, but it's not like they have any kind of unified position right now. That's fairly common in the aftermath of a big electoral loss. Parties need time to regroup.
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sycasey said:


Some are getting there, but it's not like they have any kind of unified position right now. That's fairly common in the aftermath of a big electoral loss. Parties need time to regroup.
Fair point.

My opinion is the D party can out-flank Trump Republicans on virtually every issue by being a little sophisticated and shifting a touch away from the Progressives. Two examples:

Trans Athletes...See the Martina Navratilova proposal to make all "men" sports "open" competitions. Let Trans athletes compete there. This takes away the juicy components of the political issue which favors R's and allows D's to lean into the rights of Trans people.

Middle East...just say Israel has a fundamental right to exist and Palestinians must recognize that right. From there you have the moral authority to focus on Israel's execution of the war. Without it you are just the party that supports terrorists and hates Jews.


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tequila4kapp said:

We are at an inflection point.

A lot of issues are going to end up at SCOTUS. The admin will win some and lose some.

Politically, the Admin is on the right side of nearly every one of these issues...though their execution of the policies is often flawed and/or provocative. Democrats are on the wrong side of nearly every one of these issues. Will they continue to dig in their heals to fight Trump at every turn for the sake of fighting Trump or will they smarten up and adjust so they win more elections in the future?
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The core root of this problem is the elimination of the Senate filibuster on judicial nominations. That function served to ensure everyone on the bench got a reasonable amount of support from the minority party, which necessarily eliminates political activists / extremists. This isn't going to stop until that Senate rule is fixed...but neither side will want to fix it while they are in power, so we are stuck.
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Pretty sure the filibuster is still in place no? I thought Kyrsten Synema basically killed the democrats attempt to end it a few years ago. (She got a lot of heat for it at the time too)
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tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:


Some are getting there, but it's not like they have any kind of unified position right now. That's fairly common in the aftermath of a big electoral loss. Parties need time to regroup.
Fair point.

My opinion is the D party can out-flank Trump Republicans on virtually every issue by being a little sophisticated and shifting a touch away from the Progressives. Two examples:

Trans Athletes...See the Martina Navratilova proposal to make all "men" sports "open" competitions. Let Trans athletes compete there. This takes away the juicy components of the political issue which favors R's and allows D's to lean into the rights of Trans people.

Middle East...just say Israel has a fundamental right to exist and Palestinians must recognize that right. From there you have the moral authority to focus on Israel's execution of the war. Without it you are just the party that supports terrorists and hates Jews.





MN proposal doesn't solve the problem of men, trans men, or imposters - competing against women.
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Judge James Boasberg is 1,000% a political animal and tool.
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MinotStateBeav said:

Pretty sure the filibuster is still in place no? I thought Kyrsten Synema basically killed the democrats attempt to end it a few years ago. (She got a lot of heat for it at the time too)
Nope. Harry Reid ended the filibuster (Nuclear Option) for judicial nominations in 2013. Republicans retuned the favor when they regained power by extending the rule to SCOTUS nominations.

Synema blocked D's efforts to repeal the filibuster for everything.
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tequila4kapp said:

The core root of this problem is the elimination of the Senate filibuster on judicial nominations. That function served to ensure everyone on the bench got a reasonable amount of support from the minority party, which necessarily eliminates political activists / extremists. This isn't going to stop until that Senate rule is fixed...but neither side will want to fix it while they are in power, so we are stuck.
Maybe, but the reason this got eliminated was because the minority party at the time (Republicans) was abusing this rule to basically prevent ANY nominations from going through. That wasn't tenable either.
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movielover said:

tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:


Some are getting there, but it's not like they have any kind of unified position right now. That's fairly common in the aftermath of a big electoral loss. Parties need time to regroup.
Fair point.

My opinion is the D party can out-flank Trump Republicans on virtually every issue by being a little sophisticated and shifting a touch away from the Progressives. Two examples:

Trans Athletes...See the Martina Navratilova proposal to make all "men" sports "open" competitions. Let Trans athletes compete there. This takes away the juicy components of the political issue which favors R's and allows D's to lean into the rights of Trans people.

Middle East...just say Israel has a fundamental right to exist and Palestinians must recognize that right. From there you have the moral authority to focus on Israel's execution of the war. Without it you are just the party that supports terrorists and hates Jews.

MN proposal doesn't solve the problem of men, trans men, or imposters - competing against women.
Yes, it does. Trans athletes would compete in the Open category. Biological females could also compete in the Open category but it would be a voluntary choice so there'd be no complaining if they faced a Trans athlete amongst all the biological men they were also competing against.
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sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

The core root of this problem is the elimination of the Senate filibuster on judicial nominations. That function served to ensure everyone on the bench got a reasonable amount of support from the minority party, which necessarily eliminates political activists / extremists. This isn't going to stop until that Senate rule is fixed...but neither side will want to fix it while they are in power, so we are stuck.
Maybe, but the reason this got eliminated was because the minority party at the time (Republicans) was abusing this rule to basically prevent ANY nominations from going through. That wasn't tenable either.
One party's claim of abuse is the other party's claim that the party in power is nominating unacceptably extreme candidates.
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tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

The core root of this problem is the elimination of the Senate filibuster on judicial nominations. That function served to ensure everyone on the bench got a reasonable amount of support from the minority party, which necessarily eliminates political activists / extremists. This isn't going to stop until that Senate rule is fixed...but neither side will want to fix it while they are in power, so we are stuck.
Maybe, but the reason this got eliminated was because the minority party at the time (Republicans) was abusing this rule to basically prevent ANY nominations from going through. That wasn't tenable either.
One party's claim of abuse is the other party's claim that the party is power is nominating unacceptably extreme candidates.

Okay, but when Mitch McConnell explicitly states that he will block everything from Obama . . . what do we think is happening there?
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tequila4kapp said:



One party's claim of abuse is the other party's claim that the party in power is nominating unacceptably extreme candidates.

And then there is a total Executive Branch power grab where Trump unconstitutionally fires appointees and lays people off (without cause), like the 2 commissioners at the FTC.

Trump fires 2 Democrats on the Federal Trade Commission, seeking more control over regulators | AP News

The ousted commissioners pointed to past Supreme Court rulings that sought to solidify the body's independence and only allowed commissioners to be removed for cause.

"The FTC is an independent agency founded 111 years ago to fight fraudsters and monopolists" but now "the president wants the FTC to be a lapdog for his golfing buddies."

Seems like the only people that are gonna be super busy during this Administration are attorney's filing lawsuits for parties harmed by a Dictator.

Our History | Federal Trade Commission
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sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

The core root of this problem is the elimination of the Senate filibuster on judicial nominations. That function served to ensure everyone on the bench got a reasonable amount of support from the minority party, which necessarily eliminates political activists / extremists. This isn't going to stop until that Senate rule is fixed...but neither side will want to fix it while they are in power, so we are stuck.
Maybe, but the reason this got eliminated was because the minority party at the time (Republicans) was abusing this rule to basically prevent ANY nominations from going through. That wasn't tenable either.
One party's claim of abuse is the other party's claim that the party is power is nominating unacceptably extreme candidates.

Okay, but when Mitch McConnell explicitly states that he will block everything from Obama . . . what do we think is happening there?
from Wiki:

U.S. President Barack Obama nominated over 400 individuals for federal judgeships during his presidency. Of these nominations, Congress confirmed 329 judgeships, 173 during the 111th & 112th Congresses and 156 during the 113th and 114th Congresses.


Obama had more judicial confirmations before Reid's action than after.
 
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