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movielover said:

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Some argue that mRNA has killed 400,000 a year just in the USA.

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Yes they do. They're wrong, but they do.

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Some argue that mRNA has killed 400,000 a year just in the USA.

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Yes they do. They're wrong, but they do.

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Recent study with 18 million Japanese shows significant excess deaths among the vaccinated.

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And this accounts for 400k dead in the USA how?

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bearister said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Some argue that mRNA has killed 400,000 a year just in the USA.

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Yes they do. They're wrong, but they do.

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Recent study with 18 million Japanese shows significant excess deaths among the vaccinated.

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Vaccination Protects Against Severe Outcomes: Numerous studies, including some from Japan, have demonstrated that COVID-19 vaccination significantly reduces the risk of severe illness, hospitalization, and death due to the virus. For instance, a study published in Nature showed that vaccination in Japan during the Delta variant epidemic wave in 2021 was highly effective, reducing mortality by more than 97% compared to a scenario without vaccination. Another study found that vaccine effectiveness against death in fully vaccinated individuals over 60 years of age was as high as 80%.

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Excess Deaths Attributed to Various Factors: Studies examining excess mortality in Japan during the pandemic attribute it to a combination of factors including the impact of COVID-19 infection waves, healthcare strain, delayed access to medical care for other conditions, and potential long-term effects of the virus itself, not primarily to vaccination.

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Healthy Vaccinee Bias: Some studies found that vaccinated individuals showed lower mortality rates than unvaccinated individuals, according to a National Institutes of Health (NIH) | (.gov) publication. This could be influenced by a phenomenon known as "healthy vaccinee bias," where healthier individuals are more likely to get vaccinated."

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Cal88 said:

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Just out of curiosity, is anyone here still getting their mRNA covid shots, or planning to?

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bearister said:

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Cal88 said:

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Just out of curiosity, is anyone here still getting their mRNA covid shots, or planning to?

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I get windmill stabbed with them and when the pharmacist isn't looking I crack the syringe and slurp that sh@it down. Better that than whatever Brain Worm Boy slams to get the musculature of a 30 year old.

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Some argue that mRNA has killed 400,000 a year just in the USA.

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Yes they do. They're wrong, but they do.

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Recent study with 18 million Japanese shows significant excess deaths among the vaccinated.

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And this accounts for 400k dead in the USA how?

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That kind of study would never see the light of day in the US.

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How many dead does it even account for in Japan? At the highest estimate?

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The study, using a population of 18 million Japanese subjects, established a very clear pattern of increased death rates among the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated. The vaxxed die at more that 4 times the rate of the unvaxxed in the 3 to 6 months after the jab. Not only this, but there is a clear pattern to the evolution of the death rate among the vaxxed, the data for the vaxxed death rate is not "noisy" but lines up in a clean, distinct pattern.

The good news is that in the medium term, the death rates appear to converge.

The bad news is that the more jabs you take, the higher the death rates vs the unvaxxinated.

The video from Campbell goes over it very clearly:



As to your question, Japan compensated over 900 people for deaths that their government admitted as being caused by the jab, as well as over 8,000 severe injuries.

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Some argue that mRNA has killed 400,000 a year just in the USA.

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Yes they do. They're wrong, but they do.

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Recent study with 18 million Japanese shows significant excess deaths among the vaccinated.

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And this accounts for 400k dead in the USA how?

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That kind of study would never see the light of day in the US.

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How many dead does it even account for in Japan? At the highest estimate?

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The study, using a population of 18 million Japanese subjects, established a very clear pattern of increased death rates among the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated. The vaxxed die at more that 4 times the rate of the unvaxxed in the 3 to 6 months after the jab. Not only this, but there is a clear pattern to the evolution of the death rate among the vaxxed, the data for the vaxxed death rate is not "noisy" but lines up in a clean, distinct pattern.

The good news is that in the medium term, the death rates appear to converge.

The bad news is that the more jabs you take, the higher the death rates vs the unvaxxinated.

The video from Campbell goes over it very clearly:



As to your question, Japan compensated over 900 people for deaths that their government admitted as being caused by the jab, as well as over 8,000 severe injuries.

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So 900 people out of 18 million? If you applied that to the total US population, that would be in the tens of thousands of vaccine-caused deaths, a far cry from movielover's claim of 400k. And that's already applying a pretty generous rate, since there are a lot more than 18 million people in Japan.

I'm willing to entertain the idea that there have been some excess deaths from the Covid vaccines. I think the evidence for this is pretty weak, but I'll concede it's possible. Even the scariest projections don't point to 400,000 Americans dead from the vaccines, which is the claim I objected to in starting this little exchange. This is the problem: you all repeat the most outlandish theories and then wonder why you aren't taken more seriously. That's why.

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Cal88 said:

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Just out of curiosity, is anyone here still getting their mRNA covid shots, or planning to?

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bearister said:

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For us lay people, it all comes down to trust. Who do you trust? Do you trust RFK Jr and the doctors aligned with him with regard to vaccinations or do you trust the world's major medical institutions.

I posted this series of questions in the Vaccine Redux - Vax up and go to Class thread two days ago but there were no takers. I'll try again:

When your kids get sick, how do you find a doctor you trust?

If they get real sick are places like UCSF, Stanford and the Mayo Clinic off your list because they recommend the COVID vaccination or do you trust their medical advice on some matters but not for others?

How do you decide what matters to trust them on?

Do you find it difficult to reconcile your belief that with regard to some medical conditions those institutions are trying to help your child but in other when it comes to the Covid vaccine they are callously exposing your child to an unreasonable risk because they are in the pocket of Big Pharma?

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movielover said:

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I believe the executive insurance actuarial estimated 400,000 excess deaths - per year - in the States. I believe he said the standard deviation was 9 (??), which he described as more or less an off the charts occurrence.

I haven't followed it much recently, unsure if the numbers have leveled off or not.

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movielover said:

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It's been posted gets several times before, no matter what is posted you'll find fault.

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