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Another good read by Peggy...

Turning The Page

"People voted for a path. Not a person"

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/a-triumph-for-trumps-republicans-election-2024-america-becoming-more-conservative-048e54c5?st=7rpxgx&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

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It was a good read. I agree and disagree with some of her points.

One ad that the Trump campaign ran was especially effective, IMO: A younger Harris pledges free gender-affirming care for prisoners. "Kamala is for they/them. Trump is for you." Ouch.

I thought Harris, personally, did pretty well since July -- coulda been way worse -- but there were some questions that she avoided, instead of being able to answer them solidly. She and Biden should've made a little agreement where she felt free to throw him part way under the bus (wink-wink, nudge-nudge), for the sake of being elected.

Trump made mistakes left and right, but in the debate with Biden and in the assassination attempt, he came across (to many) as a strong leader.

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GoOskie said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Another good read by Peggy...

Turning The Page

"People voted for a path. Not a person"

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/a-triumph-for-trumps-republicans-election-2024-america-becoming-more-conservative-048e54c5?st=7rpxgx&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

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It was a good read. I agree and disagree with some of her points.

One ad that the Trump campaign ran was especially effective, IMO: A younger Harris pledges free gender-affirming care for prisoners. "Kamala is for they/them. Trump is for you." Ouch.

I thought Harris, personally, did pretty well since July -- coulda been way worse -- but there were some questions that she avoided, instead of being able to answer them solidly. She and Biden should've made a little agreement where she felt free to throw him part way under the bus (wink-wink, nudge-nudge), for the sake of being elected.

Trump made mistakes left and right, but in the debate with Biden and in the assassination attempt, he came across (to many) as a strong leader.

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A big problem is most of the country does not share a rosy view of California politicians.

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No more women on the ticket. Sad to say it's just too risky. Add on top of that a women of color, and from California.

But Gretchen, I still have my eyes on you baby!

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Another good read by Peggy...

Turning The Page

"People voted for a path. Not a person"

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/a-triumph-for-trumps-republicans-election-2024-america-becoming-more-conservative-048e54c5?st=7rpxgx&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

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It was a good read. I agree and disagree with some of her points.

One ad that the Trump campaign ran was especially effective, IMO: A younger Harris pledges free gender-affirming care for prisoners. "Kamala is for they/them. Trump is for you." Ouch.

I thought Harris, personally, did pretty well since July -- coulda been way worse -- but there were some questions that she avoided, instead of being able to answer them solidly. She and Biden should've made a little agreement where she felt free to throw him part way under the bus (wink-wink, nudge-nudge), for the sake of being elected.

Trump made mistakes left and right, but in the debate with Biden and in the assassination attempt, he came across (to many) as a strong leader.

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I think it was really stupid of Biden to let himself get caught up in the ego of being a 2-term President. Man's got to know his limitations. But, my parents are getting there, too, and I see them trying to hang on. It's like a survival instinct, I've decided. For me, I'm going to yield more easily, and turn things over to my kids sooner.

And, ultimately, it was stupid for Kamala to accept the mantle via a back room deal. The country needed a contest, not some hand picked successor.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I am the opposite of a frat guy. I've never been inside one and had basically zero friends at Cal. I lived at home in SF and commuted for five years. Hanging out with people and liking them or being friends with them are different things in my mind. I can find someone fun to hang out with and then leave them and think, "What a large *******". I have some acquaintances like that. The amount of good qualities they have are varied. Make no mistake, I think Trump is a bad person and has the history to prove it. I hope he can do some of the things he's promised in the next four years but I wouldn't bet on it. Kamala...I have no idea. I don't know if she'd be like some of my Dem friends: insufferable with regards to politics (and most other things) or more understanding of my opinions. I just have no feeling about her. Obama, for example, always seemed like an interesting guy. I would love to hang out with him. And some may consider him a big con man. Just feelings.

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I am the opposite of a frat guy. I've never been inside one and had basically zero friends at Cal. I lived at home in SF and commuted for five years. Hanging out with people and liking them or being friends with them are different things in my mind. I can find someone fun to hang out with and then leave them and think, "What a large *******". I have some acquaintances like that. The amount of good qualities they have are varied. Make no mistake, I think Trump is a bad person and has the history to prove it. I hope he can do some of the things he's promised in the next four years but I wouldn't bet on it. Kamala...I have no idea. I don't know if she'd be like some of my Dem friends: insufferable with regards to politics (and most other things) or more understanding of my opinions. I just have no feeling about her. Obama, for example, always seemed like an interesting guy. I would love to hang out with him. And some may consider him a big con man. Just feelings.

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Is it better to vote for the bad person or the person one has no feeling about?

What will you think when said bad person does bad person things?

Do you think bad person will depart the scene with a functioning democracy - not that we had a very good one to begin with (see: gerrymandering, campaign finance law enforcement, citizens vs united, dark money, and the historical 97% incumbent re-election success rate).

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82gradDLSdad said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I am the opposite of a frat guy. I've never been inside one and had basically zero friends at Cal. I lived at home in SF and commuted for five years. Hanging out with people and liking them or being friends with them are different things in my mind. I can find someone fun to hang out with and then leave them and think, "What a large *******". I have some acquaintances like that. The amount of good qualities they have are varied. Make no mistake, I think Trump is a bad person and has the history to prove it. I hope he can do some of the things he's promised in the next four years but I wouldn't bet on it. Kamala...I have no idea. I don't know if she'd be like some of my Dem friends: insufferable with regards to politics (and most other things) or more understanding of my opinions. I just have no feeling about her. Obama, for example, always seemed like an interesting guy. I would love to hang out with him. And some may consider him a big con man. Just feelings.

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Do you think bad person will depart the scene with a functioning democracy - not that we had a very good one to begin with (see: gerrymandering, campaign finance law enforcement, citizens vs united, dark money, and the historical 97% incumbent re-election success rate).

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Yes

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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Here's what's going to happen:
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The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.

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Believing things like this or concentration camps, etc…. It may be time for less Axios, Politico, Left Wing X tweets and MSNBC and time for more walks in the park with a loved one appreciating the fall colors.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I am the opposite of a frat guy. I've never been inside one and had basically zero friends at Cal. I lived at home in SF and commuted for five years. Hanging out with people and liking them or being friends with them are different things in my mind. I can find someone fun to hang out with and then leave them and think, "What a large *******". I have some acquaintances like that. The amount of good qualities they have are varied. Make no mistake, I think Trump is a bad person and has the history to prove it. I hope he can do some of the things he's promised in the next four years but I wouldn't bet on it. Kamala...I have no idea. I don't know if she'd be like some of my Dem friends: insufferable with regards to politics (and most other things) or more understanding of my opinions. I just have no feeling about her. Obama, for example, always seemed like an interesting guy. I would love to hang out with him. And some may consider him a big con man. Just feelings.

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Do you think bad person will depart the scene with a functioning democracy - not that we had a very good one to begin with (see: gerrymandering, campaign finance law enforcement, citizens vs united, dark money, and the historical 97% incumbent re-election success rate).

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Yes

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It's almost a laughable proposition for me at this point.

Here's what's going to happen:
The chaos candidate is going to be a chaos president once again, and this time it won't take a crazy pandemic to reveal his insane governance (bleach?).

The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.


I guess OT is going to have to stay open for 4 more years so we can tune in to see who is right!

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See you in four years.

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I am the opposite of a frat guy. I've never been inside one and had basically zero friends at Cal. I lived at home in SF and commuted for five years. Hanging out with people and liking them or being friends with them are different things in my mind. I can find someone fun to hang out with and then leave them and think, "What a large *******". I have some acquaintances like that. The amount of good qualities they have are varied. Make no mistake, I think Trump is a bad person and has the history to prove it. I hope he can do some of the things he's promised in the next four years but I wouldn't bet on it. Kamala...I have no idea. I don't know if she'd be like some of my Dem friends: insufferable with regards to politics (and most other things) or more understanding of my opinions. I just have no feeling about her. Obama, for example, always seemed like an interesting guy. I would love to hang out with him. And some may consider him a big con man. Just feelings.

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Do you think bad person will depart the scene with a functioning democracy - not that we had a very good one to begin with (see: gerrymandering, campaign finance law enforcement, citizens vs united, dark money, and the historical 97% incumbent re-election success rate).

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It's almost a laughable proposition for me at this point.

Here's what's going to happen:
The chaos candidate is going to be a chaos president once again, and this time it won't take a crazy pandemic to reveal his insane governance (bleach?).

The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.


I guess OT is going to have to stay open for 4 more years so we can tune in to see who is right!

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See you in four years.

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Yep
Thankfully we are both reasonably well-off white men.
So we can sit back and watch the "American Carnage" of others from a safe distance.

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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[
Here's what's going to happen:
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The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.

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Believing things like this or concentration camps, etc…. It may be time for less Axios, Politico, Left Wing X tweets and MSNBC and time for more walks in the park with a loved one appreciating the fall colors.

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going4roses said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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[
Here's what's going to happen:
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The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.

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Believing things like this or concentration camps, etc…. It may be time for less Axios, Politico, Left Wing X tweets and MSNBC and time for more walks in the park with a loved one appreciating the fall colors.

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But if y'all (not just y'all ). Voted overwhelmingly for involuntary slavery and no rent control and locking up houseless working persons to be slaves in private prisons … concentration camps that United States started first are not a far fetch is it ?

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concordtom said:

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Yep
Thankfully we are both reasonably well-off white men.
So we can sit back and watch the "American Carnage" of others from a safe distance.

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concordtom said:

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And, ultimately, it was stupid for Kamala to accept the mantle via a back room deal. The country needed a contest, not some hand picked successor.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Yep
Thankfully we are both reasonably well-off white men.
So we can sit back and watch the "American Carnage" of others from a safe distance.

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Besides "venting" on this forum, voting for your preferred candidate, and sitting back and watching the "American Carnage", I'm curious to learn what you been doing to make your local Community better?

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I've started a non profit so I can buy my first Porsche.

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I wrote my congressman to get In and Out in Central Oregon

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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Yep
Thankfully we are both reasonably well-off white men.
So we can sit back and watch the "American Carnage" of others from a safe distance.

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Besides "venting" on this forum, voting for your preferred candidate, and sitting back and watching the "American Carnage", I'm curious to learn what you been doing to make your local Community better?

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going4roses said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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[
Here's what's going to happen:
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The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.

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Believing things like this or concentration camps, etc…. It may be time for less Axios, Politico, Left Wing X tweets and MSNBC and time for more walks in the park with a loved one appreciating the fall colors.

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But if y'all (not just y'all ). Voted overwhelmingly for involuntary slavery and no rent control and locking up houseless working persons to be slaves in private prisons … concentration camps that United States started first are not a far fetch is it ?

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concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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[
Here's what's going to happen:
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The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.

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Believing things like this or concentration camps, etc…. It may be time for less Axios, Politico, Left Wing X tweets and MSNBC and time for more walks in the park with a loved one appreciating the fall colors.

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But if y'all (not just y'all ). Voted overwhelmingly for involuntary slavery and no rent control and locking up houseless working persons to be slaves in private prisons … concentration camps that United States started first are not a far fetch is it ?

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You believe in rent control, do you?

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going4roses said:

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concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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[
Here's what's going to happen:
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The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.

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Believing things like this or concentration camps, etc…. It may be time for less Axios, Politico, Left Wing X tweets and MSNBC and time for more walks in the park with a loved one appreciating the fall colors.

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But if y'all (not just y'all ). Voted overwhelmingly for involuntary slavery and no rent control and locking up houseless working persons to be slaves in private prisons … concentration camps that United States started first are not a far fetch is it ?

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You believe in rent control, do you?

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I believe a person working full time, gainfully employed living in cars / houseless is unacceptable.

Clearly all of the housing policies in CA are not reducing the number of houseless persons. It's not working

" the worst part about the California Apartment Association spending $150 million on rent control disinformation is it's literally OUR RENT MONEY being used against us" this is a cold dynamic…

Only a fraction of people whom become homeless are in that position because of mental illness/ drug addiction, but being on the brink of / becoming homeless can and will bring on mental breakdowns and using of substances to cope. As of 2024, my guess is the economics are anywhere be 75-85% us the primary cause of homelessness. It has been this way since the 80's and as rent has increased the more men and women and children live without substance.

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concordtom said:

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Have you ever lived in other parts of the country? California rules!! People want to live here! Prices will go up.
That's supply & demand.

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concordtom said:

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Have you ever lived in other parts of the country? California rules!! People want to live here! Prices will go up.
That's supply & demand.

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California has been losing population.

(I don't think it's because the state is unattractive. It's likely because of cost of living and lack of housing supply.)

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concordtom said:

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Have you ever lived in other parts of the country? California rules!! People want to live here! Prices will go up.
That's supply & demand.

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California has been losing population.

(I don't think it's because the state is unattractive. It's likely because of cost of living and lack of housing supply.)

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going4roses said:

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Harlem in the 90-92
Houston in the early 2000's

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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Have you ever lived in other parts of the country? California rules!! People want to live here! Prices will go up.
That's supply & demand.

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California has been losing population.

(I don't think it's because the state is unattractive. It's likely because of cost of living and lack of housing supply.)

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100%

But people seem to think they have an absolute right to live where they want at the price they can afford. And unfortunately, that's not how it works.

It's true that we need better solutions. But Rent Control, at least as I understand how it's implemented, is a loser!

I think the discussion could evolve to "okay, what ARE some better solutions?"

Do we want to increase housing stock such that 70M live in California??

There are massive issues. Can California even supply enough water for that many? Where can?

It's SimCity!

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Is there a BI pool where we can bet on whether Liz Cheney gets convicted? All bets off if Sixth Amendment suspended and it is trial by tribunal.

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Better yet- in the fashion of Dad- she's sent to Gitmo in a black bag or- be still my heart- tossed out of an airplane

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For doing what, exactly?
What crime or indiscretion has Liz Cheney committed????

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You accuse me of stooping to a new level (prior post) and ask the question above, all while being intentionally and knowingly obtuse.

A simple google search would answer your question (and refute your personal attack on me), yet you don't do that.

Here are the accusations, which are substantiated by emails and other actual evidence. There is a pending ethics complaint.

https://www.newsweek.com/liz-cheney-donald-trump-january-6-committee-witness-cassidy-hutchinson-1969922

https://nypost.com/2024/10/15/us-news/ex-rep-liz-cheney-talked-to-jan-6-committee-star-witness-behind-lawyers-back-damning-texts-show/

https://aflegal.org/america-first-legal-files-bar-complaint-on-behalf-of-stefan-passantino-against-former-congresswoman-liz-cheney-for-secret-communications-with-j6-committee-witness-cassidy-hutchinson/

"According to text messages, that appear to be from the encrypted messaging app Signal, between Hutchinson and Farah Griffin obtained by the Subcommittee, Cheney agreed to communicate with Hutchinson through Farah Griffin.

"However, it appears that Cheney knew communicating with Hutchinson while Hutchinson was represented by an attorney and a subject of the Select Committee's investigation, without going through Hutchinson's attorney, would be unethical" the statement continues.

"This is evident by Farah Griffin's text to Hutchinson that Cheney's 'one concern was so long as [sic] you have counsel, she can't really ethically talk to you without him,'" the oversight committee's statement adds.

More in this twitter thread:

WITNESS TAMPERING: Former Rep. Liz Cheney reportedly began secretly communicating with a January 6th Committee witness without informing the witness's lawyer—an clear ethical violation that could cost Cheney her law license. More concerning than the ethical breach, however, is… pic.twitter.com/pk5Hw9j8J1

— @amuse (@amuse) October 16, 2024

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Absolutely. My dream wasn't to live in West Pittsburg (Bay Point for you newbies) after having grown up in SF.

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