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34 you can't crawl out of the rabbit hole can you?

You do know that not one but two Senate committees investigated Biden's dealings in Ukraine and found no wrongdoing. A House investigation by Republicans also found no wrongdoing.

And of course Kevin McCarthy wanted impeachment and so did James Comer. What happened to those investigations? Surely the Republicans found something to move forward on impeachment of Joe. No? Yeah. Crickets.

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"no wrongdoing" by whom? Be specific. I'll wait.

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Goggles, do you really want to go there? OK! Let's do it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html

Conspiracy theories are your specialty goggles. You. 34, 88. I mean, are you that daft that you believe this stuff? You went to Cal. Why are you such an easy mark? Do you fall for everything the GRU spits out? You do know that Vladimir Alexysevin ran this disinformation through Ukrainian officials as well as media in the US to spread this crap. Its nonsense. You're so bad.

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Wow. The incorrect assumptions behind your response are quite revealing.

So now we've established your assertion is that in 2020 investigations found no clear evidence that JOE Biden (aka "the big guy") did anything wrong.

What about Hunter and the rest of the family? Did they do anything wrong? Did they profit by selling influence and access to Joe Biden? Was that known in 2020? Do you actually believe that Joe Biden had no idea his son and brother were doing these things? If he did know, didn't that make Joe morally (though perhaps not legally) culpable?

Also, I note that, as it turns out, we have some additional evidence since September 2020. I remember hearing something about a laptop that, despite being suppressed by the main stream media and social media, was ultimately proven to be authentic. For some reason (who could ever know why?) Biden's DOJ/FBI didn't actually admit that until 2024 which seems a bit odd.

And, in a final bit of irony, you accuse me of believing in conspiracy theories while alluding to conspiracy theories of GRU involvement, ignoring facts, like the existence of the laptop and the fact the Biden's family has mined tens of millions of dollars selling influence, and then insisting that there is no basis for thinking the Biden family is corrupt.

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This is why there is no talking to MAGA fools like yourself. You redirect. You obfuscate. You ignore. You ignore the fact that all of these issues were investigated by the House and Senate. This is what you do - you completely ignore what I wrote that there was no evidence of wrong doing, then you write, "well what about all the info since 2020. Whta about Hunter's laptop, what about all the tens of millions of dollars selling influence". But its that influence that Biden was accused of via his son, that is what we're talking about. But, nope. You ignore it.

Let's catch everyone up - a joint investigation by the House found no evidene of wrongdoing in 2020. And, for goggles, in Jaunary 2023 the House initiated what they called, the United States House Oversight Committee investigation into the Biden family. And what did they find? No evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden. And Hunter? Well, Hunter offered to testify in front of the whole committee. something James Comer had wanted him to do, but when Hunter finally accepted, Comer moved the goalposts and said, no, you have to do it in private. What an embicile. Ultimately, no charges for Hunter Biden that he misused or misappropriated or received undo income from Burisma. So where are we at right now?

Well, despite a lack of evidence of any wrongdoing, mcCarthy moved it to an impeachment inquiry. And what was the result of that? Despite 300 pages of 'evidence", the 3 investigating committees found no impeachable offenses.

But let's be real here goggles. US Intel agencies have confirmed that the GRU Liutenant General Vladimir Alexseyevin and others coordinated these false allegations via Ukrainian lawmakers, specifically Konstantin Kilimnick. It was Kilimnick, who was working with the FSB, to influence American media into running with these allegations. And who were these American media? Led by Peter Schweizer and John Solomon, they orchestrated the media campaign in the US via Breitbart, Media Matters, OAN among others. This is all factual. It is not made up. It is straight from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Intelligence Council.

So I ask again, why are you so susceptible to Russian misinformation and disinformation? Do you actually like to see the erosion of confidence in demogratic principles simply because you want "the win"? Because its coming at the expense of our country. Figure it out.

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That was a lot of words to deflect from my original point which is beyond dispute - the Biden family grifted tens of millions of dollars in influence peddling. The 2023 house committee confirmed that. And if you believe Joe Biden had no idea about the grifting, then you're just willfully blind and foolish. Among other things, Joe received payments from Hunter and various entities that have never been explained. Devon Archer testified as such and there is ample evidence on the laptop and the forms of payments to Joe.

You can read the report and evidence. At a minimum, Biden lied about his knowledge of his families involvement.

https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/

All of that doesn't mean Joe Biden committed a crime and, of course, he was not going to be charged by his own DOJ. It is far from the exoneration of moral (if not criminal) culpability. That is what I said previously and nothing you posted changes that.

If you think its ok for Biden's family to be grifting in Ukraine (Burisma) and other countries at the EXACT SAME TIME Joe was directing policy there, then you have no sense of what is a conflict of interest. It is gross.

In terms alleged conspiracy theories, the bolded paragraph sure seems like that. I note you have not provided a single link to evidence of what you've claimed.

But more importantly, even if what you claim is true, it doesn't change the fact that the Biden family absolutely grifted and that Joe had to have known about it. You seem to be more upset with the fact that that Russians/Ukrainians were allegedly disseminating allegations than the fact that many of those allegations were true. That is quite a position to hold.

You're the one susceptible to misinformation and disinformation. The American "Russia Russia Russia" left has you swinging at Russian windmills to distract you from what actually happened. By the way, those were the same people telling you Biden had no cognitive issues and Kamala was a strong candidate, and no doubt you believed that too.

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The post of distortion, distraction and "but he actually did it". ^^

You know, grifting is actually theft, larceny, fraud. My question to you is, with all this so called evidence that Biden and/or Hunter Biden took, illegally financed, was enriched from or otherwise stole money from Burisma or the greater crime of extortion - why again did the House not pursue any impeachment or even censure?

As far as evidence, its not me that has to prove anything, its you! You're the one making the accusations. You're hilarious. As far as evidence, I have two House and one Senate Committee saying there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

So, let me get this straight, you would ignore a report by US Intelligence agencies that attributed the Ukraine Biden conspiracy stories to Russia? I mean, really? So you're that gullible? I mean, this story is not even close. Everyone, and I mean everyone except MAGA types like yourself know that this was a story invented to weaken Biden in the 2020 election? And the story has zero wheels now and no impetus to prosecute because it is irrelevant now? Its job done. It served its purpose.

I find it so perverse, that people like yourself would rather trust one man's word over an entire intelligence network. Our intelligence network. Because you don't agree with a Democrat. That a Democrat would represent more of a threat than the very disinformation network that is feeding lies about same. Its a far greater threat to America that you would rather believe a Putin surrogate than US Intel. How sad.

As far as Kamala being a strong candidate. Never said that. Never said that Biden had the muscle to go through another election. Hindsight he should have dropped out sooner and allowed a primary. Maybe Dems would of had Andy Breshear. Hindsight is always 20/20.

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34 you can't crawl out of the rabbit hole can you?

You do know that not one but two Senate committees investigated Biden's dealings in Ukraine and found no wrongdoing. A House investigation by Republicans also found no wrongdoing.

And of course Kevin McCarthy wanted impeachment and so did James Comer. What happened to those investigations? Surely the Republicans found something to move forward on impeachment of Joe. No? Yeah. Crickets.

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"no wrongdoing" by whom? Be specific. I'll wait.

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Goggles, do you really want to go there? OK! Let's do it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html

Conspiracy theories are your specialty goggles. You. 34, 88. I mean, are you that daft that you believe this stuff? You went to Cal. Why are you such an easy mark? Do you fall for everything the GRU spits out? You do know that Vladimir Alexysevin ran this disinformation through Ukrainian officials as well as media in the US to spread this crap. Its nonsense. You're so bad.

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Wow. The incorrect assumptions behind your response are quite revealing.

So now we've established your assertion is that in 2020 investigations found no clear evidence that JOE Biden (aka "the big guy") did anything wrong.

What about Hunter and the rest of the family? Did they do anything wrong? Did they profit by selling influence and access to Joe Biden? Was that known in 2020? Do you actually believe that Joe Biden had no idea his son and brother were doing these things? If he did know, didn't that make Joe morally (though perhaps not legally) culpable?

Also, I note that, as it turns out, we have some additional evidence since September 2020. I remember hearing something about a laptop that, despite being suppressed by the main stream media and social media, was ultimately proven to be authentic. For some reason (who could ever know why?) Biden's DOJ/FBI didn't actually admit that until 2024 which seems a bit odd.

And, in a final bit of irony, you accuse me of believing in conspiracy theories while alluding to conspiracy theories of GRU involvement, ignoring facts, like the existence of the laptop and the fact the Biden's family has mined tens of millions of dollars selling influence, and then insisting that there is no basis for thinking the Biden family is corrupt.

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This is why there is no talking to MAGA fools like yourself. You redirect. You obfuscate. You ignore. You ignore the fact that all of these issues were investigated by the House and Senate. This is what you do - you completely ignore what I wrote that there was no evidence of wrong doing, then you write, "well what about all the info since 2020. Whta about Hunter's laptop, what about all the tens of millions of dollars selling influence". But its that influence that Biden was accused of via his son, that is what we're talking about. But, nope. You ignore it.

Let's catch everyone up - a joint investigation by the House found no evidene of wrongdoing in 2020. And, for goggles, in Jaunary 2023 the House initiated what they called, the United States House Oversight Committee investigation into the Biden family. And what did they find? No evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden. And Hunter? Well, Hunter offered to testify in front of the whole committee. something James Comer had wanted him to do, but when Hunter finally accepted, Comer moved the goalposts and said, no, you have to do it in private. What an embicile. Ultimately, no charges for Hunter Biden that he misused or misappropriated or received undo income from Burisma. So where are we at right now?

Well, despite a lack of evidence of any wrongdoing, mcCarthy moved it to an impeachment inquiry. And what was the result of that? Despite 300 pages of 'evidence", the 3 investigating committees found no impeachable offenses.

But let's be real here goggles. US Intel agencies have confirmed that the GRU Liutenant General Vladimir Alexseyevin and others coordinated these false allegations via Ukrainian lawmakers, specifically Konstantin Kilimnick. It was Kilimnick, who was working with the FSB, to influence American media into running with these allegations. And who were these American media? Led by Peter Schweizer and John Solomon, they orchestrated the media campaign in the US via Breitbart, Media Matters, OAN among others. This is all factual. It is not made up. It is straight from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Intelligence Council.

So I ask again, why are you so susceptible to Russian misinformation and disinformation? Do you actually like to see the erosion of confidence in demogratic principles simply because you want "the win"? Because its coming at the expense of our country. Figure it out.

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That was a lot of words to deflect from my original point which is beyond dispute - the Biden family grifted tens of millions of dollars in influence peddling. The 2023 house committee confirmed that. And if you believe Joe Biden had no idea about the grifting, then you're just willfully blind and foolish. Among other things, Joe received payments from Hunter and various entities that have never been explained. Devon Archer testified as such and there is ample evidence on the laptop and the forms of payments to Joe.

You can read the report and evidence. At a minimum, Biden lied about his knowledge of his families involvement.

https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/

All of that doesn't mean Joe Biden committed a crime and, of course, he was not going to be charged by his own DOJ. It is far from the exoneration of moral (if not criminal) culpability. That is what I said previously and nothing you posted changes that.

If you think its ok for Biden's family to be grifting in Ukraine (Burisma) and other countries at the EXACT SAME TIME Joe was directing policy there, then you have no sense of what is a conflict of interest. It is gross.

In terms alleged conspiracy theories, the bolded paragraph sure seems like that. I note you have not provided a single link to evidence of what you've claimed.

But more importantly, even if what you claim is true, it doesn't change the fact that the Biden family absolutely grifted and that Joe had to have known about it. You seem to be more upset with the fact that that Russians/Ukrainians were allegedly disseminating allegations than the fact that many of those allegations were true. That is quite a position to hold.

You're the one susceptible to misinformation and disinformation. The American "Russia Russia Russia" left has you swinging at Russian windmills to distract you from what actually happened. By the way, those were the same people telling you Biden had no cognitive issues and Kamala was a strong candidate, and no doubt you believed that too.

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The post of distortion, distraction and "but he actually did it". ^^

You know, grifting is actually theft, larceny, fraud. My question to you is, with all this so called evidence that Biden and/or Hunter Biden took, illegally financed, was enriched from or otherwise stole money from Burisma or the greater crime of extortion - why again did the House not pursue any impeachment or even censure?

As far as evidence, its not me that has to prove anything, its you! You're the one making the accusations. You're hilarious. As far as evidence, I have two House and one Senate Committee saying there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

So, let me get this straight, you would ignore a report by US Intelligence agencies that attributed the Ukraine Biden conspiracy stories to Russia? I mean, really? So you're that gullible? I mean, this story is not even close. Everyone, and I mean everyone except MAGA types like yourself know that this was a story invented to weaken Biden in the 2020 election? And the story has zero wheels now and no impetus to prosecute because it is irrelevant now? Its job done. It served its purpose.

I find it so perverse, that people like yourself would rather trust one man's word over an entire intelligence network. Our intelligence network. Because you don't agree with a Democrat. That a Democrat would represent more of a threat than the very disinformation network that is feeding lies about same. Its a far greater threat to America that you would rather believe a Putin surrogate than US Intel. How sad.

As far as Kamala being a strong candidate. Never said that. Never said that Biden had the muscle to go through another election. Hindsight he should have dropped out sooner and allowed a primary. Maybe Dems would of had Andy Breshear. Hindsight is always 20/20.

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First of all, this is the second time you have made the bolded claim without a link to a reputable report supporting the claim. And you have ignored the fact that even if promulgated by Russians, the substance of some of the clams is true.

You were the one claiming a Biden was exonerated by a 2020 report and that there was "no proof" of Joe's involvement in corruption. So you do have a burden of proof. I then shared with you evidence that, at a minimum, shows the Biden family is corrupt and that Joe had to have known about it. Then you deflect with "Russia, Russia Russia"

In terms of impeachment, you seem to be unaware that is a political process, not criminal. It comes down to votes and a political calculation by the party in power as to whether they want to proceed EVEN IF impeachment might be warranted. Part of the calculus is whether the Senate will even hold a trial. The house republicans didn't have the votes, but that does not exonerate Biden. That is also why Trump can be impeached on the thinnest of claims re Ukraine - because the dems had the votes and were unified in their desire to get Trump at all costs.

In terms of your suggestion that the US intelligence community should be "believed" is both nave and dangerous. Those are the same people who advanced the "Trump is controlled by Russia" Russiagate conspiracy theory (which incidentally, you apparently believe), not to mention published a letter telling us the Hunter laptop was a Russian scheme. That same approach led to the Iraq war which liberals used to think was problematic,. Solid liberals - people like Glenn Greenwald - have been preaching the danger of believing the USIC disinformation, yet here you are believing them without question precisely because you have TDS.

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34 you can't crawl out of the rabbit hole can you?

You do know that not one but two Senate committees investigated Biden's dealings in Ukraine and found no wrongdoing. A House investigation by Republicans also found no wrongdoing.

And of course Kevin McCarthy wanted impeachment and so did James Comer. What happened to those investigations? Surely the Republicans found something to move forward on impeachment of Joe. No? Yeah. Crickets.

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"no wrongdoing" by whom? Be specific. I'll wait.

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Goggles, do you really want to go there? OK! Let's do it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html

Conspiracy theories are your specialty goggles. You. 34, 88. I mean, are you that daft that you believe this stuff? You went to Cal. Why are you such an easy mark? Do you fall for everything the GRU spits out? You do know that Vladimir Alexysevin ran this disinformation through Ukrainian officials as well as media in the US to spread this crap. Its nonsense. You're so bad.

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Wow. The incorrect assumptions behind your response are quite revealing.

So now we've established your assertion is that in 2020 investigations found no clear evidence that JOE Biden (aka "the big guy") did anything wrong.

What about Hunter and the rest of the family? Did they do anything wrong? Did they profit by selling influence and access to Joe Biden? Was that known in 2020? Do you actually believe that Joe Biden had no idea his son and brother were doing these things? If he did know, didn't that make Joe morally (though perhaps not legally) culpable?

Also, I note that, as it turns out, we have some additional evidence since September 2020. I remember hearing something about a laptop that, despite being suppressed by the main stream media and social media, was ultimately proven to be authentic. For some reason (who could ever know why?) Biden's DOJ/FBI didn't actually admit that until 2024 which seems a bit odd.

And, in a final bit of irony, you accuse me of believing in conspiracy theories while alluding to conspiracy theories of GRU involvement, ignoring facts, like the existence of the laptop and the fact the Biden's family has mined tens of millions of dollars selling influence, and then insisting that there is no basis for thinking the Biden family is corrupt.

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This is why there is no talking to MAGA fools like yourself. You redirect. You obfuscate. You ignore. You ignore the fact that all of these issues were investigated by the House and Senate. This is what you do - you completely ignore what I wrote that there was no evidence of wrong doing, then you write, "well what about all the info since 2020. Whta about Hunter's laptop, what about all the tens of millions of dollars selling influence". But its that influence that Biden was accused of via his son, that is what we're talking about. But, nope. You ignore it.

Let's catch everyone up - a joint investigation by the House found no evidene of wrongdoing in 2020. And, for goggles, in Jaunary 2023 the House initiated what they called, the United States House Oversight Committee investigation into the Biden family. And what did they find? No evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden. And Hunter? Well, Hunter offered to testify in front of the whole committee. something James Comer had wanted him to do, but when Hunter finally accepted, Comer moved the goalposts and said, no, you have to do it in private. What an embicile. Ultimately, no charges for Hunter Biden that he misused or misappropriated or received undo income from Burisma. So where are we at right now?

Well, despite a lack of evidence of any wrongdoing, mcCarthy moved it to an impeachment inquiry. And what was the result of that? Despite 300 pages of 'evidence", the 3 investigating committees found no impeachable offenses.

But let's be real here goggles. US Intel agencies have confirmed that the GRU Liutenant General Vladimir Alexseyevin and others coordinated these false allegations via Ukrainian lawmakers, specifically Konstantin Kilimnick. It was Kilimnick, who was working with the FSB, to influence American media into running with these allegations. And who were these American media? Led by Peter Schweizer and John Solomon, they orchestrated the media campaign in the US via Breitbart, Media Matters, OAN among others. This is all factual. It is not made up. It is straight from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Intelligence Council.

So I ask again, why are you so susceptible to Russian misinformation and disinformation? Do you actually like to see the erosion of confidence in demogratic principles simply because you want "the win"? Because its coming at the expense of our country. Figure it out.

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That was a lot of words to deflect from my original point which is beyond dispute - the Biden family grifted tens of millions of dollars in influence peddling. The 2023 house committee confirmed that. And if you believe Joe Biden had no idea about the grifting, then you're just willfully blind and foolish. Among other things, Joe received payments from Hunter and various entities that have never been explained. Devon Archer testified as such and there is ample evidence on the laptop and the forms of payments to Joe.

You can read the report and evidence. At a minimum, Biden lied about his knowledge of his families involvement.

https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/

All of that doesn't mean Joe Biden committed a crime and, of course, he was not going to be charged by his own DOJ. It is far from the exoneration of moral (if not criminal) culpability. That is what I said previously and nothing you posted changes that.

If you think its ok for Biden's family to be grifting in Ukraine (Burisma) and other countries at the EXACT SAME TIME Joe was directing policy there, then you have no sense of what is a conflict of interest. It is gross.

In terms alleged conspiracy theories, the bolded paragraph sure seems like that. I note you have not provided a single link to evidence of what you've claimed.

But more importantly, even if what you claim is true, it doesn't change the fact that the Biden family absolutely grifted and that Joe had to have known about it. You seem to be more upset with the fact that that Russians/Ukrainians were allegedly disseminating allegations than the fact that many of those allegations were true. That is quite a position to hold.

You're the one susceptible to misinformation and disinformation. The American "Russia Russia Russia" left has you swinging at Russian windmills to distract you from what actually happened. By the way, those were the same people telling you Biden had no cognitive issues and Kamala was a strong candidate, and no doubt you believed that too.

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The post of distortion, distraction and "but he actually did it". ^^

You know, grifting is actually theft, larceny, fraud. My question to you is, with all this so called evidence that Biden and/or Hunter Biden took, illegally financed, was enriched from or otherwise stole money from Burisma or the greater crime of extortion - why again did the House not pursue any impeachment or even censure?

As far as evidence, its not me that has to prove anything, its you! You're the one making the accusations. You're hilarious. As far as evidence, I have two House and one Senate Committee saying there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

So, let me get this straight, you would ignore a report by US Intelligence agencies that attributed the Ukraine Biden conspiracy stories to Russia? I mean, really? So you're that gullible? I mean, this story is not even close. Everyone, and I mean everyone except MAGA types like yourself know that this was a story invented to weaken Biden in the 2020 election? And the story has zero wheels now and no impetus to prosecute because it is irrelevant now? Its job done. It served its purpose.

I find it so perverse, that people like yourself would rather trust one man's word over an entire intelligence network. Our intelligence network. Because you don't agree with a Democrat. That a Democrat would represent more of a threat than the very disinformation network that is feeding lies about same. Its a far greater threat to America that you would rather believe a Putin surrogate than US Intel. How sad.

As far as Kamala being a strong candidate. Never said that. Never said that Biden had the muscle to go through another election. Hindsight he should have dropped out sooner and allowed a primary. Maybe Dems would of had Andy Breshear. Hindsight is always 20/20.

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First of all, this is the second time you have made the bolded claim without a link to a reputable report supporting the claim. And you have ignored the fact that even if promulgated by Russians, the substance of some of the clams is true.

You were the one claiming a Biden was exonerated by a 2020 report and that there was "no proof" of Joe's involvement in corruption. So you do have a burden of proof. I then shared with you evidence that, at a minimum, shows the Biden family is corrupt and that Joe had to have known about it. Then you deflect with "Russia, Russia Russia"

In terms of impeachment, you seem to be unaware that is a political process, not criminal. It comes down to votes and a political calculation by the party in power as to whether they want to proceed EVEN IF impeachment might be warranted. Part of the calculus is whether the Senate will even hold a trial. The house republicans didn't have the votes, but that does not exonerate Biden. That is also why Trump can be impeached on the thinnest of claims re Ukraine - because the dems had the votes and were unified in their desire to get Trump at all costs.

In terms of your suggestion that the US intelligence community should be "believed" is both nave and dangerous. Those are the same people who advanced the "Trump is controlled by Russia" Russiagate conspiracy theory (which incidentally, you apparently believe), not to mention published a letter telling us the Hunter laptop was a Russian scheme. That same approach led to the Iraq war which liberals used to think was problematic,. Solid liberals - people like Glenn Greenwald - have been preaching the danger of believing the USIC disinformation, yet here you are believing them without question precisely because you have TDS.

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Ok. here's some:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-invention-of-the-conspiracy-theory-on-biden-and-ukraine

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/there-s-no-evidence-trump-s-biden-ukraine-accusations-what-n1057851

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/04/biden-burisma-and-ukraine-why-moscows-evolving-narrative.html

My statement that Biden and Family are innocent are included in the links above. Which I know you won't bother to read because its NBC or The New Yorker - those MSM devils. But the Rand piece should at least be in your wheelhouse in terms of slant. You have offered zero evidence that Biden is corrupt, has a history of corruption, or his family is corrupt.

In terms of impeachment, Nancy Mace and James Comer, Chairman, and the two leading voices for impeachment all of us sudden didn't want to pursue anything? Where you see this as more political than criminal, of which you are correct, the political calculation bears a question. Why, if the evidence in their report identified financial wrongdoing, grifting as you say - of Burisma, did they not pursue at least a vote? They didn't because the facts weren't on their side. Even Jonathan Turley, who testified on behalf of Trump in his impeachment inquiry and was also a witness in Bill Clinton's impeachment hearing and testified in support of impeachment, said "Congress had failed to connect Hunter's alleged influence peddling to President Biden." He also stated that, some of the details they had gathered "really do gravitate in favor of the president".

Now, you're saying there's wrongdoing. There wasn't any. Jodey Arrington, R-Plainview Texas, said this: "There is certainly influence-peddling, but that happens in this town unfortunately too often. I don't think that's an impeachable offense, I think it's too important of a matter to presume until the process is done."

Ok. Influence peddling. Is that all? You're dying on that hill? lol that's hilarious. And its not impeachable. And if Republicans, in a lead up to an election wanted to inflict maximum pain on Biden, they would have done it. But their investigation went nowhere fast. From the Daily Beast: Witness after witness brought in for closed-door interviews in January and February built a pile of testimony that refuted core tenants of the inquiry. While their testimony sometimes put the president closer to his family's business partners than previously known, including through surface-level interactions and phone calls, the chorus of firsthand accounts said Biden was not involved in his family's business dealings, nor did he make policy decisions based on them. And then of course the fatal blow, which I have already alluded to was the arrest of Alexander Smirnov - their chief witness, who admitted that he lied about the allegations.

Republicans are not trying to pursue anything. Back in April they were trying to figure a way out of the inquiry. And you can add any multitude of reasons why they chose not to pursue. The main one is that their case collapsed.

Two instances. Two? of US intel bad intel? Of bad dealings? I can think of alot more bad dealings of CIA or NSA meddling in Central America or Middle East. But let's take the Gulf War as an example. I'm assuming you're talking about WMDs. Yes, massive failure. But as you correctly point out - it was only some Dems that tried to make the case of not going in. Most Dems and Reps were for the Iraq War.

Guys like Glenn Greenwald really amuse me. A solid liberal? Absurdity. He despises liberals! Just because he criticized the Iraq War doesn't make him a liberal or even a dove when it comes to foreign policy. And I think if you called him a liberal, he would probably have some harsh words for you. But Glenn has suddenly found economic populism beneficial to him. To suggest that spending $40 billion for Ukraine could have been spent on solving our nations homeless problem is disengenuous. He never cared about urban areas or lack of housing. His new career is, as the New Republic calls it - monetizing despair.

I have written this here before in answering 88, but he never responded, so I will post this again as to what those 51 intel officers wrote:

We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvementjust that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.

The disease of TDS is not limited to the boundaries of liberals like Pelosi or Schumer. It is also the purview of his most loyal followers, who will follow his every word because it is words of anger, emotion, victimization, isolation.

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BearGoggles said:

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philly1121 said:

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34 you can't crawl out of the rabbit hole can you?

You do know that not one but two Senate committees investigated Biden's dealings in Ukraine and found no wrongdoing. A House investigation by Republicans also found no wrongdoing.

And of course Kevin McCarthy wanted impeachment and so did James Comer. What happened to those investigations? Surely the Republicans found something to move forward on impeachment of Joe. No? Yeah. Crickets.

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"no wrongdoing" by whom? Be specific. I'll wait.

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Goggles, do you really want to go there? OK! Let's do it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html

Conspiracy theories are your specialty goggles. You. 34, 88. I mean, are you that daft that you believe this stuff? You went to Cal. Why are you such an easy mark? Do you fall for everything the GRU spits out? You do know that Vladimir Alexysevin ran this disinformation through Ukrainian officials as well as media in the US to spread this crap. Its nonsense. You're so bad.

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Wow. The incorrect assumptions behind your response are quite revealing.

So now we've established your assertion is that in 2020 investigations found no clear evidence that JOE Biden (aka "the big guy") did anything wrong.

What about Hunter and the rest of the family? Did they do anything wrong? Did they profit by selling influence and access to Joe Biden? Was that known in 2020? Do you actually believe that Joe Biden had no idea his son and brother were doing these things? If he did know, didn't that make Joe morally (though perhaps not legally) culpable?

Also, I note that, as it turns out, we have some additional evidence since September 2020. I remember hearing something about a laptop that, despite being suppressed by the main stream media and social media, was ultimately proven to be authentic. For some reason (who could ever know why?) Biden's DOJ/FBI didn't actually admit that until 2024 which seems a bit odd.

And, in a final bit of irony, you accuse me of believing in conspiracy theories while alluding to conspiracy theories of GRU involvement, ignoring facts, like the existence of the laptop and the fact the Biden's family has mined tens of millions of dollars selling influence, and then insisting that there is no basis for thinking the Biden family is corrupt.

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This is why there is no talking to MAGA fools like yourself. You redirect. You obfuscate. You ignore. You ignore the fact that all of these issues were investigated by the House and Senate. This is what you do - you completely ignore what I wrote that there was no evidence of wrong doing, then you write, "well what about all the info since 2020. Whta about Hunter's laptop, what about all the tens of millions of dollars selling influence". But its that influence that Biden was accused of via his son, that is what we're talking about. But, nope. You ignore it.

Let's catch everyone up - a joint investigation by the House found no evidene of wrongdoing in 2020. And, for goggles, in Jaunary 2023 the House initiated what they called, the United States House Oversight Committee investigation into the Biden family. And what did they find? No evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden. And Hunter? Well, Hunter offered to testify in front of the whole committee. something James Comer had wanted him to do, but when Hunter finally accepted, Comer moved the goalposts and said, no, you have to do it in private. What an embicile. Ultimately, no charges for Hunter Biden that he misused or misappropriated or received undo income from Burisma. So where are we at right now?

Well, despite a lack of evidence of any wrongdoing, mcCarthy moved it to an impeachment inquiry. And what was the result of that? Despite 300 pages of 'evidence", the 3 investigating committees found no impeachable offenses.

But let's be real here goggles. US Intel agencies have confirmed that the GRU Liutenant General Vladimir Alexseyevin and others coordinated these false allegations via Ukrainian lawmakers, specifically Konstantin Kilimnick. It was Kilimnick, who was working with the FSB, to influence American media into running with these allegations. And who were these American media? Led by Peter Schweizer and John Solomon, they orchestrated the media campaign in the US via Breitbart, Media Matters, OAN among others. This is all factual. It is not made up. It is straight from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Intelligence Council.

So I ask again, why are you so susceptible to Russian misinformation and disinformation? Do you actually like to see the erosion of confidence in demogratic principles simply because you want "the win"? Because its coming at the expense of our country. Figure it out.

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That was a lot of words to deflect from my original point which is beyond dispute - the Biden family grifted tens of millions of dollars in influence peddling. The 2023 house committee confirmed that. And if you believe Joe Biden had no idea about the grifting, then you're just willfully blind and foolish. Among other things, Joe received payments from Hunter and various entities that have never been explained. Devon Archer testified as such and there is ample evidence on the laptop and the forms of payments to Joe.

You can read the report and evidence. At a minimum, Biden lied about his knowledge of his families involvement.

https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/

All of that doesn't mean Joe Biden committed a crime and, of course, he was not going to be charged by his own DOJ. It is far from the exoneration of moral (if not criminal) culpability. That is what I said previously and nothing you posted changes that.

If you think its ok for Biden's family to be grifting in Ukraine (Burisma) and other countries at the EXACT SAME TIME Joe was directing policy there, then you have no sense of what is a conflict of interest. It is gross.

In terms alleged conspiracy theories, the bolded paragraph sure seems like that. I note you have not provided a single link to evidence of what you've claimed.

But more importantly, even if what you claim is true, it doesn't change the fact that the Biden family absolutely grifted and that Joe had to have known about it. You seem to be more upset with the fact that that Russians/Ukrainians were allegedly disseminating allegations than the fact that many of those allegations were true. That is quite a position to hold.

You're the one susceptible to misinformation and disinformation. The American "Russia Russia Russia" left has you swinging at Russian windmills to distract you from what actually happened. By the way, those were the same people telling you Biden had no cognitive issues and Kamala was a strong candidate, and no doubt you believed that too.

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The post of distortion, distraction and "but he actually did it". ^^

You know, grifting is actually theft, larceny, fraud. My question to you is, with all this so called evidence that Biden and/or Hunter Biden took, illegally financed, was enriched from or otherwise stole money from Burisma or the greater crime of extortion - why again did the House not pursue any impeachment or even censure?

As far as evidence, its not me that has to prove anything, its you! You're the one making the accusations. You're hilarious. As far as evidence, I have two House and one Senate Committee saying there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

So, let me get this straight, you would ignore a report by US Intelligence agencies that attributed the Ukraine Biden conspiracy stories to Russia? I mean, really? So you're that gullible? I mean, this story is not even close. Everyone, and I mean everyone except MAGA types like yourself know that this was a story invented to weaken Biden in the 2020 election? And the story has zero wheels now and no impetus to prosecute because it is irrelevant now? Its job done. It served its purpose.

I find it so perverse, that people like yourself would rather trust one man's word over an entire intelligence network. Our intelligence network. Because you don't agree with a Democrat. That a Democrat would represent more of a threat than the very disinformation network that is feeding lies about same. Its a far greater threat to America that you would rather believe a Putin surrogate than US Intel. How sad.

As far as Kamala being a strong candidate. Never said that. Never said that Biden had the muscle to go through another election. Hindsight he should have dropped out sooner and allowed a primary. Maybe Dems would of had Andy Breshear. Hindsight is always 20/20.

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First of all, this is the second time you have made the bolded claim without a link to a reputable report supporting the claim. And you have ignored the fact that even if promulgated by Russians, the substance of some of the clams is true.

You were the one claiming a Biden was exonerated by a 2020 report and that there was "no proof" of Joe's involvement in corruption. So you do have a burden of proof. I then shared with you evidence that, at a minimum, shows the Biden family is corrupt and that Joe had to have known about it. Then you deflect with "Russia, Russia Russia"

In terms of impeachment, you seem to be unaware that is a political process, not criminal. It comes down to votes and a political calculation by the party in power as to whether they want to proceed EVEN IF impeachment might be warranted. Part of the calculus is whether the Senate will even hold a trial. The house republicans didn't have the votes, but that does not exonerate Biden. That is also why Trump can be impeached on the thinnest of claims re Ukraine - because the dems had the votes and were unified in their desire to get Trump at all costs.

In terms of your suggestion that the US intelligence community should be "believed" is both nave and dangerous. Those are the same people who advanced the "Trump is controlled by Russia" Russiagate conspiracy theory (which incidentally, you apparently believe), not to mention published a letter telling us the Hunter laptop was a Russian scheme. That same approach led to the Iraq war which liberals used to think was problematic,. Solid liberals - people like Glenn Greenwald - have been preaching the danger of believing the USIC disinformation, yet here you are believing them without question precisely because you have TDS.

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Ok. here's some:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-invention-of-the-conspiracy-theory-on-biden-and-ukraine

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/there-s-no-evidence-trump-s-biden-ukraine-accusations-what-n1057851

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/04/biden-burisma-and-ukraine-why-moscows-evolving-narrative.html

My statement that Biden and Family are innocent are included in the links above. Which I know you won't bother to read because its NBC or The New Yorker - those MSM devils. But the Rand piece should at least be in your wheelhouse in terms of slant. You have offered zero evidence that Biden is corrupt, has a history of corruption, or his family is corrupt.

In terms of impeachment, Nancy Mace and James Comer, Chairman, and the two leading voices for impeachment all of us sudden didn't want to pursue anything? Where you see this as more political than criminal, of which you are correct, the political calculation bears a question. Why, if the evidence in their report identified financial wrongdoing, grifting as you say - of Burisma, did they not pursue at least a vote? They didn't because the facts weren't on their side. Even Jonathan Turley, who testified on behalf of Trump in his impeachment inquiry and was also a witness in Bill Clinton's impeachment hearing and testified in support of impeachment, said "Congress had failed to connect Hunter's alleged influence peddling to President Biden." He also stated that, some of the details they had gathered "really do gravitate in favor of the president".

Now, you're saying there's wrongdoing. There wasn't any. Jodey Arrington, R-Plainview Texas, said this: "There is certainly influence-peddling, but that happens in this town unfortunately too often. I don't think that's an impeachable offense, I think it's too important of a matter to presume until the process is done."

Ok. Influence peddling. Is that all? You're dying on that hill? lol that's hilarious. And its not impeachable. And if Republicans, in a lead up to an election wanted to inflict maximum pain on Biden, they would have done it. But their investigation went nowhere fast. From the Daily Beast: Witness after witness brought in for closed-door interviews in January and February built a pile of testimony that refuted core tenants of the inquiry. While their testimony sometimes put the president closer to his family's business partners than previously known, including through surface-level interactions and phone calls, the chorus of firsthand accounts said Biden was not involved in his family's business dealings, nor did he make policy decisions based on them. And then of course the fatal blow, which I have already alluded to was the arrest of Alexander Smirnov - their chief witness, who admitted that he lied about the allegations.

Republicans are not trying to pursue anything. Back in April they were trying to figure a way out of the inquiry. And you can add any multitude of reasons why they chose not to pursue. The main one is that their case collapsed.

Two instances. Two? of US intel bad intel? Of bad dealings? I can think of alot more bad dealings of CIA or NSA meddling in Central America or Middle East. But let's take the Gulf War as an example. I'm assuming you're talking about WMDs. Yes, massive failure. But as you correctly point out - it was only some Dems that tried to make the case of not going in. Most Dems and Reps were for the Iraq War.

Guys like Glenn Greenwald really amuse me. A solid liberal? Absurdity. He despises liberals! Just because he criticized the Iraq War doesn't make him a liberal or even a dove when it comes to foreign policy. And I think if you called him a liberal, he would probably have some harsh words for you. But Glenn has suddenly found economic populism beneficial to him. To suggest that spending $40 billion for Ukraine could have been spent on solving our nations homeless problem is disengenuous. He never cared about urban areas or lack of housing. His new career is, as the New Republic calls it - monetizing despair.

I have written this here before in answering 88, but he never responded, so I will post this again as to what those 51 intel officers wrote:

We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvementjust that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.

The disease of TDS is not limited to the boundaries of liberals like Pelosi or Schumer. It is also the purview of his most loyal followers, who will follow his every word because it is words of anger, emotion, victimization, isolation.

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You have a reading comprehension problem., I have now asked multiple times for a link supporting your claim of a "report by US Intelligence agencies that attributed the Ukraine Biden conspiracy stories to Russia". Still nothing. Instead you post a bunch of links that really show nothing.

And you are a dupe to the intelligence community. Yes, the letter had the qualification you're alluding to. But how did the media - AND BIDEN - characterize the letter? They repeatedly said (incorrectly) that "51 intelligence officials" said the laptop story was Russian disinformation.

Here's just one example: "Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say"

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

At the debate, Biden literally claimed the laptop was fake - citing the letter - when he KNEW it was not. In fact, at the time of the debate, the FBI (and probably the CIA) already knew the laptop was genuine but the intelligence community stood by and said nothing. The CIA had advance knowledge of the letter and did nothing.

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1432

In fact, the CIA expedited its required review to permit release of the disinformation letter.

"Morell told fellow signatory John Brennan, former CIA director, that he wanted the letter released before Biden's October 22, 2020, presidential debate against Donald Trump: "Trying to give the campaign, particularly during the debate . . .a talking point to push back on Trump." The knew exactly what they were doing and how the letter would be miscontrued/used by the media and Biden.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/09/cia-fast-tracked-letter-that-falsely-suggested-hunter-biden-laptop-was-russia-op/

The letter was a intelligence disinformation campaign, knowingly supported by the IC at the request of the Biden campaign (Jake Sullivan) and its surrogates. Yet here you are claiming we should just accept at face value an alleged intelligence report (you still have not linked to) and asking why the IC is not trusted.

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I hope I don't get this edited out by "edited by staff" because I mean this with all sincerity when I say - you, sir, are completely daft.

The report that you so covet, is from the National Intelligence Council, Intelligence Community Assessment: Foreign Threats to the 2020 US Presidential Election. It was declassified in March 2021. It is below.

https://www.intelligence.gov/assets/documents/702%20Documents/declassified/ICA-declass-16MAR21.pdf

The specific parts for which you dismiss because of your own biases are clearly laid out on pages 7 - 9. It outlines Konstantin Kilimnick's role in this disinformation, which I have brought up before. And on page 9, second to last bullet on right side - it reads what I have been posting in detail the facts that you ignore.

So - there you go. Happy? Nah. Dismissive? Probably. Because you don't really believe in the Intelligence community because, well, they're biased against Trump. Its really just a foolish stand to take. And you move the goalposts again because it isn't what those 51 intelligence officials wrote. Now its - how did the media characterize the letter. Oh I get it. lol You can talk about that looking in a mirror all you want.

The rest of your rubbish post is nothing but crying. You're still on about Hunter and his laptop. You're crying that the MSM wouldn't run the story, rightfully, because of chain of custody and provenance issues. And you're citing the New York Post?? So this laptop story originates with a guy in a Delaware computer repair shop, who doesn't even remember seeing Hunter Biden drop his laptop off, gets "disturbed" at its contents, makes a copy of the harddrive before the FBI gets it in December 2019, and mentions the Seth Rich conspiracy theory, gives the copied harddrive to Robert Costello, Giuliani's attorney, and then gives it to the NY Post. Oh yeah - there's nothing suspicious about that. LMAO

The issue with you Goggles is that you're a victim that I don't really feel sorry for. Your confidence in US Intel has been shaken, disturbed by the events of the past 8 years. And it requires a hard look at oneself. You're not willing to do it because, again, it is easier in the vacuum of confirmation bias, to continue to believe your own biases without stepping outside to see what is actually going on. Not to mention your absurd claim that Glen Greenwald is a liberal. lol

What you're doing is essentially saying, for the past 83 years since the bombing of Pearl Harbor, the intelligence failures of that attack, or of the Tet Offensive, or USS Cole, WMD's, and 9/11 - those are reason enough to disavow anything the Intel Community releases, particularly in the past 8 years. "Well, because of these intel misses, we shouldn't trust these reports about Russia". Yeah, ok.