Decided to start drinking raw milk

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okaydo
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Donald Trump and the Trump administration and Republicans say that drinking raw milk will make you healthy.

So I've decided to embrace that. I've begun to realize that Republicans are smart and know what they are doing.
Cal88
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okaydo said:

Donald Trump and the Trump administration and Republicans say that drinking raw milk will make you healthy.

So I've decided to embrace that. I've begun to realize that Republicans are smart and know what they are doing.


Growing up in France, my uncle had a country home in the Brie/Champagne region east of Paris (a bit further east from the current location of Eurodisney) where we would often weekend at. There were several small dairy farms, one within walking distance where we bought raw milk and raw milk brie straight from the farmer. No other cheese comes close, and the milk was amazing, sharp taste, creamy consistency, it also made for an amazing hot chocolate.

Raw milk is prized not just by US Republicans, but also by people all over Europe who have enjoyed it for many, many generations.
concordtom
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Me: Why pasteurize milk?

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Milk is pasteurized to ensure it is safe to consume by killing harmful pathogens and extending its shelf life. This process, developed by Louis Pasteur in the 19th century, involves heating milk to a specific temperature for a set amount of time and then cooling it quickly. Here's why it's important:

### **Benefits of Pasteurization**
1. **Eliminates Harmful Pathogens**: Raw milk can harbor dangerous bacteria such as *Salmonella*, *Listeria*, *E. coli*, and *Campylobacter*, which can cause serious illnesses. Pasteurization destroys these pathogens.

2. **Extends Shelf Life**: Pasteurization slows the growth of spoilage microorganisms, helping milk stay fresh longer.

3. **Prevents Foodborne Illness**: For vulnerable populationslike young children, the elderly, pregnant women, and people with weakened immune systemspasteurization significantly reduces the risk of milk-related diseases.

4. **Retains Nutritional Value**: While pasteurization involves heat, it preserves most of milk's nutritional content, including proteins, calcium, and vitamins like B2 (riboflavin) and B12.

### **Pasteurization Methods**
- **Low-Temperature, Long-Time (LTLT)**: Milk is heated to 63C (145F) for 30 minutes.
- **High-Temperature, Short-Time (HTST)**: Milk is heated to 72C (161F) for 15 seconds, the most common method.
- **Ultra-High Temperature (UHT)**: Milk is heated to 135C (275F) for 1-2 seconds, which allows it to be stored unrefrigerated until opened.

### **Raw Milk Debate**
Some proponents of raw milk claim it has better flavor or potential health benefits, but health authorities like the CDC and FDA warn against its risks due to the possible presence of harmful bacteria.

Would you like more details on the process or the raw milk debate?
concordtom
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Me: Yes. Where do these pathogens come from? Inside the cow or outside, after the cow is milked?

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Pathogens in milk can come from both **inside the cow** and **external contamination** after the cow is milked. Here's a breakdown of each source:

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### **Pathogens from Inside the Cow**
- **Diseases in the Cow**: Cows can carry pathogens in their body that contaminate the milk. For example:
- **Brucella** (causes brucellosis)
- **Mycobacterium bovis** (causes bovine tuberculosis)
- **Coxiella burnetii** (causes Q fever)
- Some strains of *E. coli* and *Salmonella*
- These pathogens are present in the cow's blood or udder tissue and can be secreted directly into the milk.

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### **Pathogens from External Contamination**
After the cow is milked, pathogens can enter milk through:
1. **The Cow's Udder and Skin**:
- Bacteria like *Staphylococcus aureus* or *Streptococcus* can come from infections such as mastitis (inflammation of the udder).
- Dirt, manure, or hair on the udder or surrounding areas may harbor pathogens like *E. coli* or *Campylobacter*.

2. **Milking Equipment**:
- Unsanitary or improperly cleaned equipment can introduce bacteria during the milking process.

3. **Storage and Handling**:
- Improper cooling or storage can allow bacteria to multiply.
- Contaminated containers or poor hygiene during handling can add pathogens.

4. **The Farm Environment**:
- Dust, water, or feed contaminated with fecal matter can also introduce bacteria.

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### Why Pasteurization is Necessary
Even with the best sanitary practices, some level of contamination is hard to avoid because cows live in environments with dirt and manure. Pasteurization acts as a safety net to eliminate these pathogens and ensure milk is safe for consumption.

Would you like to discuss raw milk safety measures or dive deeper into any specific pathogen?
concordtom
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ChatGPT has been known to provide inaccurate or incomplete responses.

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
GoOskie
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okaydo said:

Donald Trump and the Trump administration and Republicans say that drinking raw milk will make you healthy.

So I've decided to embrace that. I've begun to realize that Republicans are smart and know what they are doing.
You can't fully embrace the republican life unless you become a sexual predator.
oski003
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GoOskie said:

okaydo said:

Donald Trump and the Trump administration and Republicans say that drinking raw milk will make you healthy.

So I've decided to embrace that. I've begun to realize that Republicans are smart and know what they are doing.
You can't fully embrace the republican life unless you become a sexual predator.


Do you know this from experience?
concordtom
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GoOskie said:

okaydo said:

Donald Trump and the Trump administration and Republicans say that drinking raw milk will make you healthy.

So I've decided to embrace that. I've begun to realize that Republicans are smart and know what they are doing.
You can't fully embrace the republican life unless you become a sexual predator.

Well, I think throwing a tomato at some immigrants would also qualify.
Cal88
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concordtom said:

ChatGPT has been known to provide inaccurate or incomplete responses.

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

Drinking raw milk does have more risks associated with it, but probably less so than eating raw fish (sushi) or raw/undercooked meat. However unlike these foods, raw milk has a health upside in the form of enzymes and probiotics, which help boost the gut flora and immune system and reduce asthma, allergies and auto-immune diseases, which are rampant today especially among children.
concordtom
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It's okay to not inject your rationalities for voting for Trump into every single thread.

"Yes, I'm a bad guy, but not as bad as him."
Cal88
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I touched a raw nerve here...
dimitrig
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Bird flu detected in batch of California raw milk, company issues recall, health officials say

Link:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/bird-flu-detected-batch-california-raw-milk-company-issues-recall-health-officials-say


GoOskie
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dimitrig said:


Bird flu detected in batch of California raw milk, company issues recall, health officials say

Link:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/bird-flu-detected-batch-california-raw-milk-company-issues-recall-health-officials-say



Everyone. Drink up!
GoOskie
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Just a reminder to all the trump voters. Drink up as much as you can!

https://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/news/local/california/2024/11/24/raw-milk-from-fresno-dairy-recalled-due-to-bird-flu-virus-contamination/76554112007/
dimitrig
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The guy who eats roadkill and got a worm in his brain is going to be looking after your health.
Big C
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^ not to mention the 'roids
concordtom
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Cal88 said:

I touched a raw nerve here...

Wait, wait. Don't tell me.
Pun intended?
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