tequila4kapp said:

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Miller is an MSNBC analyst and Never Trumper. Things said by people with that profile should be taken with a grain of salt.

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Miller is an MSNBC analyst and Never Trumper. Things said by people with that profile should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Claus von Stauffenberg was a Never Hitler. Would you take what he said with a grain of salt?

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Bill Clinton ****ed anything that walked while he was married - including WH interns that were less than half his age - and before that used Arkansas State Troopers to enable his extra marital Governor diddling. It is a safe bet that you were not overly concerned about his fitness for the highest office.

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Miller is an MSNBC analyst and Never Trumper. Things said by people with that profile should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Claus von Stauffenberg was a Never Hitler. Would you take what he said with a grain of salt?

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Bill Clinton ****ed anything that walked while he was married - including WH interns that were less than half his age

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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dimitrig said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Miller is an MSNBC analyst and Never Trumper. Things said by people with that profile should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Claus von Stauffenberg was a Never Hitler. Would you take what he said with a grain of salt?

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Bill Clinton ****ed anything that walked while he was married - including WH interns that were less than half his age - and before that used Arkansas State Troopers to enable his extra marital Governor diddling. It is a safe bet that you were not overly concerned about his fitness for the highest office.

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Clinton was a governor. Hegseth is a news personality.

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Republicans impeached Clinton 30 years ago for a consensual blowjob, yet today turn away from ALL sexual picadillos, even rape. That's curious.

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Just like your framing of 88 above, you certainly exaggerate things in your mind.

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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dimitrig said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Miller is an MSNBC analyst and Never Trumper. Things said by people with that profile should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Claus von Stauffenberg was a Never Hitler. Would you take what he said with a grain of salt?

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Bill Clinton ****ed anything that walked while he was married - including WH interns that were less than half his age - and before that used Arkansas State Troopers to enable his extra marital Governor diddling. It is a safe bet that you were not overly concerned about his fitness for the highest office.

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Clinton was a governor. Hegseth is a news personality.

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Republicans impeached Clinton 30 years ago for a consensual blowjob, yet today turn away from ALL sexual picadillos, even rape. That's curious.

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Just like your framing of 88 above, you certainly exaggerate things in your mind.

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neither did bill Clinton hump anything that walked.
Re-size the Clinton hyperbole to its rightful size and I'm guessing my characterization was accurate.

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Defending / minimizing Clinton just detracts from one's credibility. He admitted to Jennifer Flowers and Lewinsky affairs. He was accused of sexual assault/rape/affairs by Broaderrick, Millwee, Jones and Willey. And then there's this (from Wiki):

"Other accusations
In April 1998, Inside Edition reported that Cristy Zercher, a former flight attendant, had accused Clinton of groping and fondling her on a 1992 campaign flight while his wife Hillary was sleeping nearby. A release announcing the results of Zercher's polygraph test stated that she had negative ratings for truthfulness on four questions asked the week prior.[45]
In 1999, Eileen Wellstone reiterated to reporters that she had accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1969, when they were students at Oxford.[46][47] Wellstone filed a complaint with the university, but no charges were brought against Clinton.[47]
A campaign staffer, Sandra Allen James, accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in his hotel room in 1991. She claimed that he exposed himself to her and forced her to conduct oral sex on him while they were sitting on the couch.[46]
A former professor from the University of Arkansas claimed Clinton had groped a female student and tried to trap her in his office when he was a professor. This would later be backed up by a piece written by Daniel Harris and Teresa Hampton, which alleged that students at the university confirmed that Clinton had tried to force himself on them when he was a professor.[48]
Karen Hinton, who served in the Clinton administration under the HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo, told journalist Michael Isikoff that Clinton had harassed her at a fundraiser in 1984. Hinton claimed that Clinton had been staring at her and that he wrote down his hotel room number and a question mark on a napkin and gave it to her, which she said made her feel humiliated. Her allegations were published in Isikoff's book Uncovering Clinton.[49]
In November 2017, sources within the Democratic Party told author and former foreign editor of Newsweek Edward Klein that Clinton was being accused of sexual assault by four women. The plaintiffs alleged that the assaults took place shortly after the end of his presidency in the early 2000s, while they were in their late teens. A member of Clinton's legal team confirmed the existence of new allegations against Clinton."

I'm going to preemptively rebut your predicted response by saying yes, Trump is not a saint either.

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Miller is an MSNBC analyst and Never Trumper. Things said by people with that profile should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Claus von Stauffenberg was a Never Hitler. Would you take what he said with a grain of salt?

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Bill Clinton ****ed anything that walked while he was married - including WH interns that were less than half his age

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Apparently, so did our 88 friend.

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Accusing someone of being a rapist will put a serious strain on that friendship, Tom.

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tequila4kapp said:

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The OP quoted Miller who said H wasn't qualified because of sleeping around and divorces. The point is this: we passed the threshold of personal pecadillos disqualifying someone for (even) higher office about 30 years ago. Hell, the Senate has a secret slush fund for paying off women. The fact H got drunk and was seduced by some woman even though he was married is a stupid argument re his qualifications. Stick to his thin traditional qualifications - that's got merit.

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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dimitrig said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Miller is an MSNBC analyst and Never Trumper. Things said by people with that profile should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Claus von Stauffenberg was a Never Hitler. Would you take what he said with a grain of salt?

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Bill Clinton ****ed anything that walked while he was married - including WH interns that were less than half his age - and before that used Arkansas State Troopers to enable his extra marital Governor diddling. It is a safe bet that you were not overly concerned about his fitness for the highest office.

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Clinton was a governor. Hegseth is a news personality.

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Republicans impeached Clinton 30 years ago for a consensual blowjob, yet today turn away from ALL sexual picadillos, even rape. That's curious.

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Just like your framing of 88 above, you certainly exaggerate things in your mind.

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neither did bill Clinton hump anything that walked.
Re-size the Clinton hyperbole to its rightful size and I'm guessing my characterization was accurate.

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Defending / minimizing Clinton just detracts from one's credibility. He admitted to Jennifer Flowers and Lewinsky affairs. He was accused of sexual assault/rape/affairs by Broaderrick, Millwee, Jones and Willey. And then there's this (from Wiki):

"Other accusations
In April 1998, Inside Edition reported that Cristy Zercher, a former flight attendant, had accused Clinton of groping and fondling her on a 1992 campaign flight while his wife Hillary was sleeping nearby. A release announcing the results of Zercher's polygraph test stated that she had negative ratings for truthfulness on four questions asked the week prior.[45]
In 1999, Eileen Wellstone reiterated to reporters that she had accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1969, when they were students at Oxford.[46][47] Wellstone filed a complaint with the university, but no charges were brought against Clinton.[47]
A campaign staffer, Sandra Allen James, accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in his hotel room in 1991. She claimed that he exposed himself to her and forced her to conduct oral sex on him while they were sitting on the couch.[46]
A former professor from the University of Arkansas claimed Clinton had groped a female student and tried to trap her in his office when he was a professor. This would later be backed up by a piece written by Daniel Harris and Teresa Hampton, which alleged that students at the university confirmed that Clinton had tried to force himself on them when he was a professor.[48]
Karen Hinton, who served in the Clinton administration under the HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo, told journalist Michael Isikoff that Clinton had harassed her at a fundraiser in 1984. Hinton claimed that Clinton had been staring at her and that he wrote down his hotel room number and a question mark on a napkin and gave it to her, which she said made her feel humiliated. Her allegations were published in Isikoff's book Uncovering Clinton.[49]
In November 2017, sources within the Democratic Party told author and former foreign editor of Newsweek Edward Klein that Clinton was being accused of sexual assault by four women. The plaintiffs alleged that the assaults took place shortly after the end of his presidency in the early 2000s, while they were in their late teens. A member of Clinton's legal team confirmed the existence of new allegations against Clinton."

I'm going to preemptively rebut your predicted response by saying yes, Trump is not a saint either.

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Let's review the arc of this conversation.

The thread indicates the thread is about Hegseth's life being a mess, a joke. He is currently up for bids as the head of the defense department - quite relevant to todays action.

Then someone somehow mentioned Clinton and so we are now no longer discussing the mess that Hegseth is.

Hmmm.

I'm not here to accuse or defend things Clinton did 30 years ago. He has been retired for a loooong time.
But Trump is a mess, and his chosen people are a mess. That's the here and now.

Are you intending to re-direct attention from the mess of the here and now?

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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The OP quoted Miller who said H wasn't qualified because of sleeping around and divorces. The point is this: we passed the threshold of personal pecadillos disqualifying someone for (even) higher office about 30 years ago. Hell, the Senate has a secret slush fund for paying off women. The fact H got drunk and was seduced by some woman even though he was married is a stupid argument re his qualifications. Stick to his thin traditional qualifications - that's got merit.

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That a guy like Hegseth, in his prime, multiple marriages and not some inexperienced virginal teen, was a drunken victim of being seduced is downright laughable for the absurdity of the suggestion.

Where did you pick that up from?
Wait, wait, don't tell me!
Hahaha

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He was very drunk. She was sober. She was texting her husband about him, how all the women wanted to **** him. She led him to his hotel room. Multiple eye witnesses. Hotel video. Police report. It's out there for everyone to see if you look at sources besides Axios, Politico and MSNBC.

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calpoly said:

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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dimitrig said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Miller is an MSNBC analyst and Never Trumper. Things said by people with that profile should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Claus von Stauffenberg was a Never Hitler. Would you take what he said with a grain of salt?

---

Bill Clinton ****ed anything that walked while he was married - including WH interns that were less than half his age - and before that used Arkansas State Troopers to enable his extra marital Governor diddling. It is a safe bet that you were not overly concerned about his fitness for the highest office.

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Clinton was a governor. Hegseth is a news personality.

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Republicans impeached Clinton 30 years ago for a consensual blowjob, yet today turn away from ALL sexual picadillos, even rape. That's curious.

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Just like your framing of 88 above, you certainly exaggerate things in your mind.

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neither did bill Clinton hump anything that walked.
Re-size the Clinton hyperbole to its rightful size and I'm guessing my characterization was accurate.

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Defending / minimizing Clinton just detracts from one's credibility. He admitted to Jennifer Flowers and Lewinsky affairs. He was accused of sexual assault/rape/affairs by Broaderrick, Millwee, Jones and Willey. And then there's this (from Wiki):

"Other accusations
In April 1998, Inside Edition reported that Cristy Zercher, a former flight attendant, had accused Clinton of groping and fondling her on a 1992 campaign flight while his wife Hillary was sleeping nearby. A release announcing the results of Zercher's polygraph test stated that she had negative ratings for truthfulness on four questions asked the week prior.[45]
In 1999, Eileen Wellstone reiterated to reporters that she had accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1969, when they were students at Oxford.[46][47] Wellstone filed a complaint with the university, but no charges were brought against Clinton.[47]
A campaign staffer, Sandra Allen James, accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in his hotel room in 1991. She claimed that he exposed himself to her and forced her to conduct oral sex on him while they were sitting on the couch.[46]
A former professor from the University of Arkansas claimed Clinton had groped a female student and tried to trap her in his office when he was a professor. This would later be backed up by a piece written by Daniel Harris and Teresa Hampton, which alleged that students at the university confirmed that Clinton had tried to force himself on them when he was a professor.[48]
Karen Hinton, who served in the Clinton administration under the HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo, told journalist Michael Isikoff that Clinton had harassed her at a fundraiser in 1984. Hinton claimed that Clinton had been staring at her and that he wrote down his hotel room number and a question mark on a napkin and gave it to her, which she said made her feel humiliated. Her allegations were published in Isikoff's book Uncovering Clinton.[49]
In November 2017, sources within the Democratic Party told author and former foreign editor of Newsweek Edward Klein that Clinton was being accused of sexual assault by four women. The plaintiffs alleged that the assaults took place shortly after the end of his presidency in the early 2000s, while they were in their late teens. A member of Clinton's legal team confirmed the existence of new allegations against Clinton."

I'm going to preemptively rebut your predicted response by saying yes, Trump is not a saint either.

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Let's review the arc of this conversation.

The thread indicates the thread is about Hegseth's life being a mess, a joke. He is currently up for bids as the head of the defense department - quite relevant to todays action.

Then someone somehow mentioned Clinton and so we are now no longer discussing the mess that Hegseth is.

Hmmm.

I'm not here to accuse or defend things Clinton did 30 years ago. He has been retired for a loooong time.
But Trump is a mess, and his chosen people are a mess. That's the here and now.

Are you intending to re-direct attention from the mess of the here and now?

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Tom, you're dealing with members of a cult. They are brainwashed and cannot think for themselves.

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tequila4kapp said:

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He was very drunk. She was sober. She was texting her husband about him, how all the women wanted to **** him. She led him to his hotel room. Multiple eye witnesses. Hotel video. Police report. It's out there for everyone to see if you look at sources besides Axios, Politico and MSNBC.

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You are an abuser of women that is the ugly truth and I have no respect for any man that belittles, lies, cheats, sleeps around, and uses women for his own power and ego. You are that man (and have been for years) and as your mother, it pains me and embarrasses me to say that, but it is the sad, sad truth. I am not a saint, far from it.. so don't throw that in my face,. but your abuse over the years to women (dishonesty, sleeping around, betrayal, debasing, belittling) needs to be called out. ... It's time for someone (I wish it was a strong man) to stand up to your abusive behavior and call it out, especially against women.

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The Times said it obtained a copy of the email from someone "with ties to the Hegseth family." Penelope Hegseth told the news outlet that she sent the email "in anger" during her son's divorce and that she immediately followed up with another email to apologize. She also disavowed her first email, saying her accusations are not true and that her son "is a good father, husband."
Hegseth did not immediately provide the Times with a copy of the follow-up email. (Neither MSNBC nor NBC News has obtained a copy of either email.) Pete Hegseth's lawyer declined to comment, but Trump's transition team provided a statement, saying it was "shameful but not surprising that the NYT is publishing a story about one out of context snippet from an illegally obtained private conversation between a mother and her son."

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