Trump wants to take Panama Canal and Greenland

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bear2034
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bearister
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wc22 said:

Greenland is as independent as Puerto Rico. I don't know why all the recent headlines don't mention it is owned by the Danes.




…but like Puerto Ricans, the Greenlanders want to get their beaks wet with that famous Trump largess:


….and they are hoping that Trump Redux ratchets up from tossing paper towels to heaving ear muffs, mukluks and frozen Plaice.


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bear2034
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Greenland, the new frontier.
Cal88
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Time to stock up on these before the tariffs.



Seriously though, this kind of openly heavy-handed approach to diplomacy aimed at allies might backfire.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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Cal88 said:

Time to stock up on these before the tariffs.



Seriously though, this kind of openly heavy-handed approach to diplomacy aimed at allies might backfire.
Gee, you think so?

Unfortunately, bullying friends is part of Trump's mindset.
bear2034
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Conan tried to buy it a few years back but was unsuccessful.
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Cal88
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Cal88 said:

Time to stock up on these before the tariffs.



Seriously though, this kind of openly heavy-handed approach to diplomacy aimed at allies might backfire.
Gee, you think so?

Unfortunately, bullying friends is part of Trump's mindset.


Does blowing up a friend's $12 billion underwater pipeline qualify as bullying? Asking for ein Freund...

The point is, you're not supposed to bully those friends openly, and when you invade and occupy a middle eastern country, you're not supposed to say outright that you're taking the oil.
Cal88
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chazzed said:





That might set a bad precedent, China lost 2,000 men building railways across the west...
Anarchistbear
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Why are we looking at these s$ithole countries like Greenland and Canada?

Mexico s the obvious answer. Rich country, richer culture. They come to California to work; all of California heads there to retire in cheap housing
chazzed
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Fox News is warming up to the idea about Canada. And we thought Republicans had lost their imperialistic thirst.




philly1121
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Yeah, and these guys are supposed to be the non-interventionist party? 003, 34, 88 and Goggles are meeting to try and figure out how they can be non-interventionist with Ukraine, but then take Panama and Greenland and make glorious their Orange Co-Leader.

What amazes me is that whatever Trump says, no matter how absurd, it is AUTOMATICALLY a great idea. An infallible idea to MAGA supporters. There is no space between them. And its absurdity after absurdity.
DiabloWags
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For the first time in 500 years, Denmark has changed its royal arms.
Greenland now has its own quadrant in the Danish royal arms . . . the bear and a ram.

This is King Frederik's way of giving the Orange Man the middle finger.


DiabloWags
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He's gonna make CANADA our 51st state too!
GoOskie
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Does Canada and Greenland have any skilled offensive linemen we can pillage?
tequila4kapp
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Renaming the Gulf of Mexico and Canada being the 51st state are just mind numbingly dumb wastes of time and energy.

Panama Canal and Greenland represent actual national security interests. Denmark is our NATO ally. We have a base on Greenland. If we need additional military anything why not work through NATO?
bear2034
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tequila4kapp said:

Renaming the Gulf of Mexico and Canada being the 51st state are just mind numbingly dumb wastes of time and energy.

Panama Canal and Greenland represent actual national security interests. Denmark is our NATO ally. We have a base on Greenland. If we need additional military anything why not work through NATO?


Based on defense expenditures, the US. is NATO.
bear2034
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philly1121 said:

Yeah, and these guys are supposed to be the non-interventionist party? 003, 34, 88 and Goggles are meeting to try and figure out how they can be non-interventionist with Ukraine, but then take Panama and Greenland and make glorious their Orange Co-Leader.

What amazes me is that whatever Trump says, no matter how absurd, it is AUTOMATICALLY a great idea. An infallible idea to MAGA supporters. There is no space between them. And its absurdity after absurdity.
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Cal88 said:

calpoly said:

Cal88 said:

concordtom said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hours-suggesting-seize-panama-canal-132929397.html

What a joker.


As a leader of foreign policy, he's not supposed to say stuff like this. We don't take over countries by buying them or conquering them outright, we do it by buying local politicians (much cheaper option), through the IMF, World Bank, the fiat currency, NGOs, soft power, color revolutions and the not-so-occasional coup.

Only when all this fails we use the military option.
Except when it comes to Russia and Putin.

Russia has been a tough nut to crack the last decade or so, the good old days where we could place a corrupt leader providing access to its immense wealth are over.


Yep!

When Trump was elected in 2016, I posted that "Trump is Putin's revenge for Boris Yeltsin."

IMO, this has been a learning experience for everyone.

Breshnev / Andropov / Gorbachev -- these guys realized how hard & how expensive it was to lead & maintain a global military empire. By the time it collapsed under its own weight, there was no turning back. It just couldn't survive in its previous form.

The CIA had no idea...

The U.S. is now in the same boat. We spent ourselves into oblivion. And now we (U.S., Europe, Canada, UK, Japan, S Korea) are collapsing under our own collective weight.

On top of that, our unsustainable economic policies, which we've spread around the world at gunpoint, are now failing on a grand scale.

Now, with Netanyahu, Blinken, and Sullivan running U.S. foreign policy, the U.S. has lost its grip on sanity & decency. Genocide Joe will, apparently, pass the torch to Genocide Donald.

God help us.
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bear2034 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Renaming the Gulf of Mexico and Canada being the 51st state are just mind numbingly dumb wastes of time and energy.

Panama Canal and Greenland represent actual national security interests. Denmark is our NATO ally. We have a base on Greenland. If we need additional military anything why not work through NATO?


Based on defense expenditures, the US. is NATO.

What is the point of raising the well known spending disparity in this context?

Buying Greenland costs more money than not.

Working through the NATO construct gives us a better chance of realizing additional usage of Greenland for security concerns.

Or perhaps this isn't about security at all and Trump just want all those natural resources for iPhones and EVs. Valid economic points, but a different paradigm entirely from national security
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cbbass1 said:

Cal88 said:

calpoly said:

Cal88 said:

concordtom said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hours-suggesting-seize-panama-canal-132929397.html

What a joker.


As a leader of foreign policy, he's not supposed to say stuff like this. We don't take over countries by buying them or conquering them outright, we do it by buying local politicians (much cheaper option), through the IMF, World Bank, the fiat currency, NGOs, soft power, color revolutions and the not-so-occasional coup.

Only when all this fails we use the military option.
Except when it comes to Russia and Putin.

Russia has been a tough nut to crack the last decade or so, the good old days where we could place a corrupt leader providing access to its immense wealth are over.


Yep!

When Trump was elected in 2016, I posted that "Trump is Putin's revenge for Boris Yeltsin."

IMO, this has been a learning experience for everyone.

Breshnev / Andropov / Gorbachev -- these guys realized how hard & how expensive it was to lead & maintain a global military empire. By the time it collapsed under its own weight, there was no turning back. It just couldn't survive in its previous form.

The CIA had no idea...

The U.S. is now in the same boat. We spent ourselves into oblivion. And now we (U.S., Europe, Canada, UK, Japan, S Korea) are collapsing under our own collective weight.

On top of that, our unsustainable economic policies, which we've spread around the world at gunpoint, are now failing on a grand scale.

Now, with Netanyahu, Blinken, and Sullivan running U.S. foreign policy, the U.S. has lost its grip on sanity & decency. Genocide Joe will, apparently, pass the torch to Genocide Donald.

God help us.

This is right up your alley:



philly1121
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This conversation, and even the thought of us "purchasing" Greenland, "taking back" the Canal, Canada "becoming" our 51st state, is intellectual starvation advanced by the less critical thought processors on this board, 88, 34 and 003.

Those free thinkers rely on Russian propaganda, Jesse Watters and Tommy Tuberville to process political "discourse". lol Jesse wants to quench his "imperialist thirst". With Whiskey Pete, Ka$h Money and Tulsi Assad at the wheel, what could possibly go wrong?
Anarchistbear
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All this is comic relief which is Trump's continuing legacy. I- for one- look forward to the invasion of Canada, confiscation of the maple syrup trees and forced displacement of all Canadians to the Yukon
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philly1121 said:

This conversation, and even the thought of us "purchasing" Greenland, "taking back" the Canal, Canada "becoming" our 51st state, is intellectual starvation advanced by the less critical thought processors on this board, 88, 34 and 003.

Those free thinkers rely on Russian propaganda, Jesse Watters and Tommy Tuberville to process political "discourse". lol Jesse wants to quench his "imperialist thirst". With Whiskey Pete, Ka$h Money and Tulsi Assad at the wheel, what could possibly go wrong?

Maybe you Negative Nellies should be trying to focus on what could go right.

Like the "Gulf of America", baby! Long overdue. And Trump will get Mexico to pay for the name change!
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philly1121 said:

This conversation, and even the thought of us "purchasing" Greenland, "taking back" the Canal, Canada "becoming" our 51st state, is intellectual starvation advanced by the less critical thought processors on this board, 88, 34 and 003.

Those free thinkers rely on Russian propaganda, Jesse Watters and Tommy Tuberville to process political "discourse". lol Jesse wants to quench his "imperialist thirst". With Whiskey Pete, Ka$h Money and Tulsi Assad at the wheel, what could possibly go wrong?


What the heck is your problem? I don't recall ever commenting on purchasing Greenland, taking back the canal, or Canada becoming a state. Do you need Alzheimer's meds or do you just purposely make stuff up? Go screw yourself, you apparently unpaid shill.
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Again, intellectual starvation.
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oski003 said:

philly1121 said:

This conversation, and even the thought of us "purchasing" Greenland, "taking back" the Canal, Canada "becoming" our 51st state, is intellectual starvation advanced by the less critical thought processors on this board, 88, 34 and 003.

Those free thinkers rely on Russian propaganda, Jesse Watters and Tommy Tuberville to process political "discourse". lol Jesse wants to quench his "imperialist thirst". With Whiskey Pete, Ka$h Money and Tulsi Assad at the wheel, what could possibly go wrong?


What the heck is your problem? I don't recall ever commenting on purchasing Greenland, taking back the canal, or Canada becoming a state. Do you need Alzheimer's meds or do you just purposely make stuff up? Go screw yourself, you apparently unpaid shill.
003, why you so bitter? Did your Orange Leader not just win an election? Are you upset that Dems didn't purposefully s**t on the Capital walls or throw a Biden flag at a police officer two days ago? You're an awfully bitter person to be complaining so much when you just won. I'm calling out all of Trumps nonsense. I would accept an, "uh yeah, that's crap. I don't support that". But you won't even do that.
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philly1121 said:

oski003 said:

philly1121 said:

This conversation, and even the thought of us "purchasing" Greenland, "taking back" the Canal, Canada "becoming" our 51st state, is intellectual starvation advanced by the less critical thought processors on this board, 88, 34 and 003.

Those free thinkers rely on Russian propaganda, Jesse Watters and Tommy Tuberville to process political "discourse". lol Jesse wants to quench his "imperialist thirst". With Whiskey Pete, Ka$h Money and Tulsi Assad at the wheel, what could possibly go wrong?


What the heck is your problem? I don't recall ever commenting on purchasing Greenland, taking back the canal, or Canada becoming a state. Do you need Alzheimer's meds or do you just purposely make stuff up? Go screw yourself, you apparently unpaid shill.
003, why you so bitter? Did your Orange Leader not just win an election? Are you upset that Dems didn't purposefully s**t on the Capital walls or throw a Biden flag at a police officer two days ago? You're an awfully bitter person to be complaining so much when you just won. I'm calling out all of Trumps nonsense. I would accept an, "uh yeah, that's crap. I don't support that". But you won't even do that.


I vote on issues, not people. I don't support everything Trump says or does, and you are a jerk who makes things up about people because you are bitter. Apparently, you lost.
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tequila4kapp said:

bear2034 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Renaming the Gulf of Mexico and Canada being the 51st state are just mind numbingly dumb wastes of time and energy.

Panama Canal and Greenland represent actual national security interests. Denmark is our NATO ally. We have a base on Greenland. If we need additional military anything why not work through NATO?


Based on defense expenditures, the US. is NATO.

What is the point of raising the well known spending disparity in this context?

Buying Greenland costs more money than not.

Working through the NATO construct gives us a better chance of realizing additional usage of Greenland for security concerns.

Or perhaps this isn't about security at all and Trump just want all those natural resources for iPhones and EVs. Valid economic points, but a different paradigm entirely from national security


Bingo.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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bear2034 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Renaming the Gulf of Mexico and Canada being the 51st state are just mind numbingly dumb wastes of time and energy.

Panama Canal and Greenland represent actual national security interests. Denmark is our NATO ally. We have a base on Greenland. If we need additional military anything why not work through NATO?


Based on defense expenditures, the US. is NATO.
A large portion of the US Defense spending occurs in countries that aren't part of NATO, so your comparison is mostly apples vs oranges.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

bear2034 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Renaming the Gulf of Mexico and Canada being the 51st state are just mind numbingly dumb wastes of time and energy.

Panama Canal and Greenland represent actual national security interests. Denmark is our NATO ally. We have a base on Greenland. If we need additional military anything why not work through NATO?


Based on defense expenditures, the US. is NATO.
A large portion of the US Defense spending occurs in countries that aren't part of NATO, so your comparison is mostly apples vs oranges.

Bingo.
He's just not that bright.

Top 10 Countries Receiving U.S. Foreign Military Aid (2019 - 2023)

10.) Columbia
9.) Philippines
8.) Somalia
7.) Lebanon
6.) Iraq
5.) Jordan
4.) Ukraine
3.) Afghanistan
2.) Egypt
1.) Israel

Number that are members of NATO: 0


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Anarchistbear said:

Why are we looking at these s$ithole countries like Greenland and Canada?

Mexico s the obvious answer. Rich country, richer culture. They come to California to work; all of California heads there to retire in cheap housing

We already took half of Mexico during our war with them in the 1840's.
bear2034
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DiabloWags said:

He's gonna make CANADA our 51st state too!

How many electoral votes for MAGA would that represent?
bear2034
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tequila4kapp said:

bear2034 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Renaming the Gulf of Mexico and Canada being the 51st state are just mind numbingly dumb wastes of time and energy.

Panama Canal and Greenland represent actual national security interests. Denmark is our NATO ally. We have a base on Greenland. If we need additional military anything why not work through NATO?


Based on defense expenditures, the US. is NATO.

What is the point of raising the well known spending disparity in this context?

Buying Greenland costs more money than not.

Working through the NATO construct gives us a better chance of realizing additional usage of Greenland for security concerns.

Or perhaps this isn't about security at all and Trump just want all those natural resources for iPhones and EVs. Valid economic points, but a different paradigm entirely from national security

We'll see what kind of deal Trump can negotiate. It took someone like Trump for NATO countries to open up their checkbooks after they vehemently refused. They'd rather be taken care of instead.
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bear2034 said:

Anarchistbear said:

Why are we looking at these s$ithole countries like Greenland and Canada?

Mexico s the obvious answer. Rich country, richer culture. They come to California to work; all of California heads there to retire in cheap housing

We already took half of Mexico during our war with them in the 1840's.


James Polk most underrated President ever. Took Mexico, New Mexico, Northwest and California- I think in a year.

Here's the way I see it- we trade upper New England and the rights to Israel to Canada ****hole states, ****hole to shirhole country. In return Canada sends the Yukon to Denmark which gives us Greenland plus the rights to Ozempic and health care for all
 
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