Donnie Lite was told that the whole town would show up for him at the airport. I guess only 20 showed. That was a long way to go for a town forum.

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This conversation, and even the thought of us "purchasing" Greenland, "taking back" the Canal, Canada "becoming" our 51st state, is intellectual starvation advanced by the less critical thought processors on this board, 88, 34 and 003.

Those free thinkers rely on Russian propaganda, Jesse Watters and Tommy Tuberville to process political "discourse". lol Jesse wants to quench his "imperialist thirst". With Whiskey Pete, Ka$h Money and Tulsi Assad at the wheel, what could possibly go wrong?

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What the heck is your problem? I don't recall ever commenting on purchasing Greenland, taking back the canal, or Canada becoming a state. Do you need Alzheimer's meds or do you just purposely make stuff up? Go screw yourself, you apparently unpaid shill.

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003, why you so bitter? Did your Orange Leader not just win an election? Are you upset that Dems didn't purposefully s**t on the Capital walls or throw a Biden flag at a police officer two days ago? You're an awfully bitter person to be complaining so much when you just won. I'm calling out all of Trumps nonsense. I would accept an, "uh yeah, that's crap. I don't support that". But you won't even do that.

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I vote on issues, not people. I don't support everything Trump says or does, and you are a jerk who makes things up about people because you are bitter. Apparently, you lost.

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lmao. issues not people. uh huh. I don't make anything up. I turn your endless conspiracies and victimization against you for which you have no defense. Feeble one.

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By pure idiotic fabrication of such conspiracies. There are a couple things I am skeptical on, such as the vote swings that occurred well after the polls closed. One thing I am pissed about are the lies about the experimental covid vaccines. That is one "conspiracy" I stand behind. Half the crap you throw at me is completely made up. Again, I hope Biden pays you. You are his BI Champion.

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Renaming the Gulf of Mexico and Canada being the 51st state are just mind numbingly dumb wastes of time and energy.

Panama Canal and Greenland represent actual national security interests. Denmark is our NATO ally. We have a base on Greenland. If we need additional military anything why not work through NATO?

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Based on defense expenditures, the US. is NATO.

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A large portion of the US Defense spending occurs in countries that aren't part of NATO, so your comparison is mostly apples vs oranges.

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Bingo.
He's just not that bright.

Top 10 Countries Receiving U.S. Foreign Military Aid (2019 - 2023)

10.) Columbia
9.) Philippines
8.) Somalia
7.) Lebanon
6.) Iraq
5.) Jordan
4.) Ukraine
3.) Afghanistan
2.) Egypt
1.) Israel

Number that are members of NATO: 0

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It is 2025. Can you at least do 2021-2024? Or simply 2023-24?

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This conversation, and even the thought of us "purchasing" Greenland, "taking back" the Canal, Canada "becoming" our 51st state, is intellectual starvation advanced by the less critical thought processors on this board, 88, 34 and 003.

Those free thinkers rely on Russian propaganda, Jesse Watters and Tommy Tuberville to process political "discourse". lol Jesse wants to quench his "imperialist thirst". With Whiskey Pete, Ka$h Money and Tulsi Assad at the wheel, what could possibly go wrong?

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What the heck is your problem? I don't recall ever commenting on purchasing Greenland, taking back the canal, or Canada becoming a state. Do you need Alzheimer's meds or do you just purposely make stuff up? Go screw yourself, you apparently unpaid shill.

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003, why you so bitter? Did your Orange Leader not just win an election? Are you upset that Dems didn't purposefully s**t on the Capital walls or throw a Biden flag at a police officer two days ago? You're an awfully bitter person to be complaining so much when you just won. I'm calling out all of Trumps nonsense. I would accept an, "uh yeah, that's crap. I don't support that". But you won't even do that.

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I vote on issues, not people. I don't support everything Trump says or does, and you are a jerk who makes things up about people because you are bitter. Apparently, you lost.

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lmao. issues not people. uh huh. I don't make anything up. I turn your endless conspiracies and victimization against you for which you have no defense. Feeble one.

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By pure idiotic fabrication of such conspiracies. There are a couple things I am skeptical on, such as the vote swings that occurred well after the polls closed. One thing I am pissed about are the lies about the experimental covid vaccines. That is one "conspiracy" I stand behind. Half the crap you throw at me is completely made up. Again, I hope Biden pays you. You are his BI Champion.

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idiotic fabrication of such conspiracies. We know the 2020 election being stolen was crap. I've proved the Biden Ukraine was a Russian op. Whatever you have written on the vax is pure QAnon, "boo hoo my liberties are being taken" idiocy. You're getting tied up in knots 003. lol I doubt anyone believes the nonsense you post and defend. Maybe even you don't. You just have to keep believing it. 003 - the willful or perhaps unwitting dupe of the illiterate and lazy right wing.

philly, you're late to the party, the hoaxes, lies, and deception have been debunked and mocked prior to you posting here regularly in OT. The trolls eventually burned out and left...

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This conversation, and even the thought of us "purchasing" Greenland, "taking back" the Canal, Canada "becoming" our 51st state, is intellectual starvation advanced by the less critical thought processors on this board, 88, 34 and 003.

Those free thinkers rely on Russian propaganda, Jesse Watters and Tommy Tuberville to process political "discourse". lol Jesse wants to quench his "imperialist thirst". With Whiskey Pete, Ka$h Money and Tulsi Assad at the wheel, what could possibly go wrong?

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What the heck is your problem? I don't recall ever commenting on purchasing Greenland, taking back the canal, or Canada becoming a state. Do you need Alzheimer's meds or do you just purposely make stuff up? Go screw yourself, you apparently unpaid shill.

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003, why you so bitter? Did your Orange Leader not just win an election? Are you upset that Dems didn't purposefully s**t on the Capital walls or throw a Biden flag at a police officer two days ago? You're an awfully bitter person to be complaining so much when you just won. I'm calling out all of Trumps nonsense. I would accept an, "uh yeah, that's crap. I don't support that". But you won't even do that.

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I vote on issues, not people. I don't support everything Trump says or does, and you are a jerk who makes things up about people because you are bitter. Apparently, you lost.

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lmao. issues not people. uh huh. I don't make anything up. I turn your endless conspiracies and victimization against you for which you have no defense. Feeble one.

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By pure idiotic fabrication of such conspiracies. There are a couple things I am skeptical on, such as the vote swings that occurred well after the polls closed. One thing I am pissed about are the lies about the experimental covid vaccines. That is one "conspiracy" I stand behind. Half the crap you throw at me is completely made up. Again, I hope Biden pays you. You are his BI Champion.

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idiotic fabrication of such conspiracies. We know the 2020 election being stolen was crap. I've proved the Biden Ukraine was a Russian op. Whatever you have written on the vax is pure QAnon, "boo hoo my liberties are being taken" idiocy. You're getting tied up in knots 003. lol I doubt anyone believes the nonsense you post and defend. Maybe even you don't. You just have to keep believing it. 003 - the willful or perhaps unwitting dupe of the illiterate and lazy right wing.

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This morning, the Twenty-Second Statewide Grand Jury released its final report. This Grand Jury was tasked with investigating vaccine manufacturers and their production process for vaccines following the COVID-19 pandemic.

While we are still reading through the report and its recommendations, it details that, through deception and taking "advantage of scientific journal infrastructure" to hide adverse events from the public, Big Pharma engaged in a "pattern of deceptive and obfuscatory behavior." Big Pharma brought in billions of dollars in profit, and the federal government amplified bogus "studies," all while suppressing any opposition that went against their preferred narrative. Instead of federal agencies acting as a backstop to bad incentives, they worked closely with Big Pharma as they cut corners, even becoming unpaid advertisers on their behalf.

The Grand Jury also details the frustrations of many, stating, "these sponsors have taken in billions of taxpayer dollars for creating and selling their vaccines; they cannot be sued if something goes wrong with them; they have access to critical information about deaths related to a side effect of their products; and the public does not have access to that information."

The Grand Jury has made a number of recommendations that should be followed. The status quo cannot continue. The American people deserve transparency on how Big Pharma is using their federal tax dollars, and they deserve regulating entities that operate as watchdogs, not cheerleaders.

Healthcare trust is going to take a hit. Even healthcare professionals are starting to question the information that comes from the top. God help us if there is ever another pandemic with a higher fatality rate. The trust in government and healthcare has been obliterated.

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It's wild, isn't it? They are not serious people. And when it all comes crashing down again, we must never let them live it down.

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The day you're right about something is the day an asteroid strikes earth.

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The notion of the US annexing Greenland is a very weird, somewhat nutty geopolitical plot twist straight out of the 19th century. It could however be made possible by the modern European guilt complex towards the indigenous as the 57k population is 90% Inuit ("Eskimo"), who could therefore ween themselves from their Danish "colonizers", calling for a referendum to become independent. Can politically correct Denmark refuse that? Well they definitely don't have the means to defend it for starts...

If in the next step the US could offer say, $1 million per Greenlander for their island, the largest in the world by far, there could be a lot of takers. Even at $10 million per head or $570 billion, it would still be a bargain. Given that the US$ is still the world's fiat currency, such a purchase would be financed in part by the Japanese, Saudis, Koreans and every other country that uses the US$ in trading or as reserve currency, or invests in US financial assets. This won't be the case a few decades from now, as the US$ standing as the world currency is (slowly) eroding.

If the US gobbles up Greenland, Svalbard (population 2,500), a very strategically located archipelago in the north Atlantic belonging to Norway would be next.

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I haven't studied this mind you but I think I remember reading that the vikings and europeans were in greenland first. The Inuits came to them and wiped them out.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland
"The history of Greenland is a history of life under extreme Arctic conditions: currently, an ice sheet covers about eighty percent of the island, restricting human activity largely to the coasts. The first humans are thought to have arrived in Greenland around 2500 BCE. Their descendants apparently died out and were succeeded by several other groups migrating from continental North America. There has been no evidence discovered that Greenland was known to Norsemen until the ninth century CE, when Norse Icelandic explorers settled on its southwestern coast. The ancestors of the Greenlandic Inuit who live there today appear to have migrated there later, around the year 1200, from northwestern Greenland."

the wiki continues
"During World War II, when Nazi Germany invaded Denmark, Greenlanders became socially and economically less connected to Denmark and more connected to the United States.After the war, Denmark resumed control of Greenland and in 1953, converted its status from colony to overseas amt (county). Although Greenland is still a part of the Kingdom of Denmark, it has enjoyed home rule since 1979. In 1985, the island decided to leave the European Economic Community (EEC), which it had joined as a part of Denmark in 1973."

003, the 22nd statewide Grand Jury Report.

From Florida.

That Ron Desantis commissioned.

To investigate crimes and wrongdoing committed against Floridians related to the COVID-19 vaccine. lol

now that's an impartial investigation.

And you want us to take this seriously? From the grand jury report:

For a sizable group of healthy young men, there is credible evidence that the risk of side effects from second doses ofBNT162b2 or MRNA-1273 (Pfizer and Moderna's shots) always outweighed their benefits, even at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.

This is patently wrong. Benefits outweight the risks in any sub group. Even adolescent males. I could go on and on with the findings of this report but, the fact that its from Florida in a grand jury that was commissioned by DeSantis to specifically look at crimes and wrongdoing, pretty much speaks for itself.

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003, the 22nd statewide Grand Jury Report.

From Florida.

That Ron Desantis commissioned.

To investigate crimes and wrongdoing committed against Floridians related to the COVID-19 vaccine. lol

now that's an impartial investigation.

And you want us to take this seriously? From the grand jury report:

For a sizable group of healthy young men, there is credible evidence that the risk of side effects from second doses ofBNT162b2 or MRNA-1273 (Pfizer and Moderna's shots) always outweighed their benefits, even at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.

This is patently wrong. Benefits outweight the risks in any sub group. Even adolescent males. I could go on and on with the findings of this report but, the fact that its from Florida in a grand jury that was commissioned by DeSantis to specifically look at crimes and wrongdoing, pretty much speaks for itself.

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No, the benefits do not outweigh the risks in every subgroup, especially young males. You seem brainwashed by Big Pharma. Are you paid by them?

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003, the 22nd statewide Grand Jury Report.

From Florida.

That Ron Desantis commissioned.

To investigate crimes and wrongdoing committed against Floridians related to the COVID-19 vaccine. lol

now that's an impartial investigation.

And you want us to take this seriously? From the grand jury report:

For a sizable group of healthy young men, there is credible evidence that the risk of side effects from second doses ofBNT162b2 or MRNA-1273 (Pfizer and Moderna's shots) always outweighed their benefits, even at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.

This is patently wrong. Benefits outweight the risks in any sub group. Even adolescent males. I could go on and on with the findings of this report but, the fact that its from Florida in a grand jury that was commissioned by DeSantis to specifically look at crimes and wrongdoing, pretty much speaks for itself.

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No, the benefits do not outweigh the risks in every subgroup, especially young males. You seem brainwashed by Big Pharma. Are you paid by them?

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You are WRONG.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10234830/#:~:text=Results%20show%20CVmRNA%20vaccine%20benefits%20outweigh%20risks%20for%20all%20model%20scenarios.&text=If%20the%20trend%20of%20pandemic,benefits%2Drisks%20must%20be%20reassessed.

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/despite-sensational-reports-covid-19-vaccine-safety-outweighs-risks/

And the absurd claim about myocarditis, debunked below:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/scicheck-benefits-of-covid-19-vaccination-outweigh-the-rare-risk-of-myocarditis-even-in-young-males/

I wish I was paid by them, unfortunately, I'm not. Not brainwashed either. You, on the other hand....

Key model inputs include duration of vaccine protection, VE against COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations, age-specific COVID-19 case and hospitalization incidence rates, age-specific vaccine-attributable myocarditis case rate, hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and death rate.

Quite the group of conflicted authors there. Guys like Peter Marks are exactly the kind of Pharma Industrial Complex foot soldiers RFK Jr described in his book. But the obvious critique here is model inputs.

MODEL INPUTS. Really? I mean, where did these "inputs" come from? If we're talking efficacy, they certainly didn't come from the Cleveland Clinic which showed rapidly declining and ultimately negative efficacy over time: more vaxx, more Covid.

Also, do you see anything in there regarding the case reporting window? If you rig the counting system to include many of the vaxx cases, hospitalizations and deaths in the unvaccinated group, it might just skew the results.

Also, in the costs section, they list myocarditis and periocarditis. Are you aware that there are hundreds of side effects listed on the insert? Tell the tens of millions who suffer from these various side effects, often life changing and debilitating ones, that their suffering is not a cost and I wonder what their reply would be. And we will never have a complete handle on the costs because there is no long-term study on the side effects of these drugs. This might be problematic given that unlike any other therapeutic licensed by the FDA, the production process being used for the production version of the vaccines has not been been validated and approved by the FDA. Numerous studies have found DNA contamination orders of magnitude higher than regulations allow.

Much more could be said on this topic, but no, this is hardly proof of cost-benefit for all adult age groups. Quite the contrary. At any rate, maybe you should come over to the Vaccine board where we've been debating this topic for four years. Lots to be learned there for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

As someone who played a fair share of Risk back in the day, I got a chuckle out of this.

My rigorous geopolitical analysis suggests that @realDonaldTrump's next target is Kamchatka. pic.twitter.com/lhllBPQCmW

— ʎllǝuuop ʇuǝɹq (@donnelly_brent) January 8, 2025

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Peter Marks? He's the FDA's Chief for Biologics and Research? does he have ties to pharma?

As for modeling, is there a reason why the model of 18-64 years old who have received two doses of the Moderna vaccine is not good enough? The NIH model specifically excludes women under the age 65 and all individuals over the age of 65 because they had lower risk. Inclusion of them would have skewed the results. They were quite clear why, writing, " due to previous work showing a relative lower risk among these groups, resulting in too few cases of myocarditis/pericarditis after vaccination in these groups to reliably estimate myocarditis/pericarditis rates."

The model seems quite inclusive to me. They estimated COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths prevented by the vaccination (benefits) and myocarditis/pericarditis cases, related hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths attributable to the vaccine (risks).

The argument of myocarditis/pericarditis has been debated already. Please show me a study where it shows the vaccine is definitively attributable to myocarditis/pericarditis in tens of millions of people.

I have not seen one study, including the often cited Buergin study (which was refuted), that shows the vaccine was directly attributable to myo/peri cases. But, show me a study.

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Gotta run so quick reply. You didn't address a single point that I made. First, modeling ain't data. Far lower standard of evidence. Just a fact. Subject to bias. Ex. Climate models which all run hot.

I'm puzzled by your comments about myocarditis/pericarditis. My whole point in that paragraph was that myocarditis/pericarditis is just the tip of the iceberg. I didn't even mention sudden deaths caused by clotting.
Check out this peer-reviewed study which looked at autopsies related to circulatory deaths. Where is this in your costs?
https://slaynews.com/news/autopsy-data-proves-covid-vaccines-killed-millions/

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Peter Marks? He's the FDA's Chief for Biologics and Research? does he have ties to pharma?

As for modeling, is there a reason why the model of 18-64 years old who have received two doses of the Moderna vaccine is not good enough? The NIH model specifically excludes women under the age 65 and all individuals over the age of 65 because they had lower risk. Inclusion of them would have skewed the results. They were quite clear why, writing, " due to previous work showing a relative lower risk among these groups, resulting in too few cases of myocarditis/pericarditis after vaccination in these groups to reliably estimate myocarditis/pericarditis rates."

The model seems quite inclusive to me. They estimated COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths prevented by the vaccination (benefits) and myocarditis/pericarditis cases, related hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths attributable to the vaccine (risks).

The argument of myocarditis/pericarditis has been debated already. Please show me a study where it shows the vaccine is definitively attributable to myocarditis/pericarditis in tens of millions of people.

I have not seen one study, including the often cited Buergin study (which was refuted), that shows the vaccine was directly attributable to myo/peri cases. But, show me a study.

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Gotta run so quick reply. You didn't address a single point that I made. First, modeling ain't data. Far lower standard of evidence. Just a fact. Subject to bias. Ex. Climate models which all run hot.

I'm puzzled by your comments about myocarditis/pericarditis. My whole point in that paragraph was that myocarditis/pericarditis is just the tip of the iceberg. I didn't even mention sudden deaths caused by clotting.
Check out this peer-reviewed study which looked at autopsies related to circulatory deaths. Where is this in your costs?
https://slaynews.com/news/autopsy-data-proves-covid-vaccines-killed-millions/

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Ok, so, I thought you were serious in your posting. But, as always, I look to where one gets their data. And then I look at links provided. I addressed your point about the model. The model is consistent with other studies where they study specific demographics. This is not biased at all. And it does not lower any standard of evidence to support a conclusion. The NIH study, as an example, does not support your bias that millions of people, tens of millions of people have been adversely affected by the vaccine.

More specifically, your comments on myocarditis and pericarditis being the "tip of the iceberg" lack any grounding based on available evidence from multiple studies and peer review. Is clotting, the part of the iceberg that we do not see? No. Clotting has been studied and from multiple studies, they conclude that there is more adverse impact of clotting or thromboembolic event via covid infection, than from the vaccine.

Lastly, as I wrote in the first paragraph, we look to the data and authorship. In this case, you cite Frank Bergman. Not a scientist. Not an MD. Not an MPH. He's a journalist. He writes a provocative piece in Slay News about millions of deaths as a result of the vaccine. In the study, they cite autopsy data. But, let's go inside the details, shall we?

Peter A. McCullough. One of the foremost voices of covid misinformation. Leader of The Wellness Company - a company that claims to stand against big pharma while offering very expensive herbal, dietary supplements.

Two other authors, Makis and Hodkinson, acted as "adjudicators" with McCullough for the autopsy review. Makis and Hodkinson are known for covid vaccine misinformation. This paper was briefly published in The Lancet before it was pulled because, in the opinion of The Lancet, "the studies conclusions are not supported by the study methodology,". The Lancet further stated, "Those conclusions, however, were often contradictory to the original scientists' determinations. Moreover, abundant evidence contradicts the suggestion that the COVID-19 vaccines are frequently killing people."

To highlight the contradictory conclusions, the scientists who conducted many of the autopsy studies came to opposite conclusions than the review authors. Of the 240 cases, for example, 105 come from a single paper in Colombia, whose authors found no relation between the cause of death and vaccination.

Ultimately, the paper was published in Forensic Science International. However, it was also pulled. The reasons for it are here: Forensic Science International withdrew the paper in early August, against the wishes of the authors. After concerns were raised about the paper, including "inappropriate" citations and design methodology; "[e]rrors, misrepresentation, and lack of factual support for the conclusions"; along with "[f]ailure to recognise and cite disconfirming evidence," the authors submitted a revised manuscript. According to the removal notice, "peer-reviewers concluded that the revised manuscript did not sufficiently address the concerns raised by the community and that it was not suitable for publication in the journal."

So, I feel that there is not much more to say here. The study you cited was poor and was written by people who were specifically trying to reach a conclusion that they wanted. And they weren't even good at doing that. So. That's that.