If you don't think Tommy Robinson is a hero

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AunBear89
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I get it: opinion is the same as fact on the Right.


Liars, hypocrites, and morons.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
HawaiiBear33
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AunBear89 said:

I get it: opinion is the same as fact on the Right.


Liars, hypocrites, and morons.


You disregard facts of 10s to 100s of billions of dollars spent to globalize all information sources and still believe the news. Most of their lies are super easy to see but yet you still believe. You will wake up in time…how old are you…maybe not.

Seee Vance's speech in Germany? You think he was lying? He wasn't…



More amazing news.

Do you believe we should have Sharia law here AU? We will if people don't stay awake and keep believing like you.
socaltownie
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1. The best statistics that I have seen says that the overwhelming majority of perpetrators are white.

2. This horror is compounded by conditions in the north that essentially rival poverty found in the worst of Appalachia. A more parsimonious explanation is not some globalist pedo cabal but conditions there (2 years of grad work in Bradford and Manchester and many friends still)

3. The part that galls me is that you don't really care about the victims. You don't give a **** about conditions in yorkshire. You just are using them to make some stupid conspiracy theory to own libs. If you have donated to a charity doing work there I apologize in advance.
movielover
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1. FALSE.

The studies clearly show that "grooming gangs" are 85% Pakistani Muslim.

Generic 'normal' sexual violation within families are spread out, and possibly still Caucasian majority. This is the elder / child, or uncle / child, scenario, which is quite different than being forcibly injected w heroin, multiple r*pes, gang r*pes, gang r*pes with 6, 12, 20 men, and / or then being trafficked and pimped to neighboring towns. And eventually a single girl having been r*ped by 50, 70, 100, 140 men over time.

Sikh girls have also been exploited, and they've had a campaign to educate girls and families of the process, perps, signs. Some Sikh families fly their children out of the country.

Behavior related, there has also been an explosion of Muslim cab drivers r*ping British women, often drunk, coming out of a pub or nightclub, and calling a cab to get a safe ride home.

The BBC, Labour, and others try to conflate the two different types of exploitation and downplay the 'grooming gangs' to protect multiculturalism, fears of being caled racist, and possible authorities cover ups.

3. You have no idea of my motivation or values.

When confronted w new, specific claims, possibly contradictory, it would be wise to develop a critical eye.
Zippergate
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Not only that. There has been immense pressure to not report these crimes and not prosecute the perpetrators. It's the same story all over Europe. I see that post above and I'm just dumbfounded. What planet are these people from?
movielover
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Professor Gad Saad from Canada speaks five languages and is Lebanese Jewish. He said before he became famous he would speak w middle eastern men, and in their native tongue they would say "Europe is a woman to be mounted.". Dr. Saad cleaned up the vulgar language. The statement is telling. They see compassion, empathy, as weakness.

Similar crimes are happening across Europe. Uber Liberal Sweden now challenges South Africa as the r*pe Capitol of the world. I have heard two immigrants also remark, "Our sisters only leave the house fully clothed, and with a male escort."

Cologne (Koln) Germany had over 1100 young women attacked on New Years Eve at the Koln Train Station / Square by North African and Middle Eastern men. Smartphones may have enabled coordination.

The below TITLES and PICTURES are themselves educational.

BBC: How the net closed on Oxford's grooming gang

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-51467518.amp

Opindia: Telford sexual exploitation case: Inquiry finds over 1,000 children were groomed by Muslim gangs and authorities looked away due to 'racial unease'

https://www.opindia.com/2022/07/telford-grooming-inquiry-1000-children-groomed-authorities-looked-away-racial-unease/

Independent: Grooming gangs abused more than 700 women and girls around Newcastle after police appeared to punish victims

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-uk-britain-newcastle-serious-case-review-operation-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html

The Telegraph: Grooming gangs of Muslim men failed to integrate into British society

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

Did you also question the motives of people who wanted to stop the Nazis?

One study estimates 250,000 to one million British (largely child) victims of grooming gangs; which would mean tens to hundreds of millions of r*pes.


movielover
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Zippergate said:

Not only that. There has been immense pressure to not report these crimes and not prosecute the perpetrators. It's the same story all over Europe. I see that post above and I'm just dumbfounded. What planet are these people from?


The exploitation of children infuriates me. And then people want to parse words, allude to racism, etc.

The links I provided above I found in 5 minutes.

South Africa angers me, as does slavery in Africa that Liberals ignore.
socaltownie
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Here is why that number is farcical. There are approximately 14 million UK citizens under 18. So 7 million girls. Uour high end would say 1 in 7. Since this is largely a phenomena of of the lower class lest half that.....or 1 in 3 UK girls from the bottom third of hh incomes have been raped.....and yet globalists have been able to cover it up.

Upu guys are crazy!!!
concordtom
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socaltownie said:

Here is why that number is farcical. There are approximately 14 million UK citizens under 18. So 7 million girls. Uour high end would say 1 in 7. Since this is largely a phenomena of of the lower class lest half that.....or 1 in 3 UK girls from the bottom third of hh incomes have been raped.....and yet globalists have been able to cover it up.

Upu guys are crazy!!!


I follow you, but you need to spend more time in OT to realize that these people you are talking with are a bit nuts. And you can try to talk logic to them but it's a fruitless effort.
socaltownie
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concordtom said:

socaltownie said:

Here is why that number is farcical. There are approximately 14 million UK citizens under 18. So 7 million girls. Uour high end would say 1 in 7. Since this is largely a phenomena of of the lower class lest half that.....or 1 in 3 UK girls from the bottom third of hh incomes have been raped.....and yet globalists have been able to cover it up.

Upu guys are crazy!!!


I follow you, but you need to spend more time in OT to realize that these people you are talking with are a bit nuts. And you can try to talk logic to them but it's a fruitless effort.
Yeah - it is time, I think, to take a break/leave here. It is simply toxic and terrifying. I do think there is a bit of performative theater to it - they really can't believe this (like on the left people can't think that all police are horrible and we would be better off holding restoriative justice circles with some criminals.).

And to think I went down this rabbit hole thinking that I was in a safe spot - that whether you loath/love TRUMP that if you care about UC you might first and foremost be concerned about a 30% reduction in indirect support to the American University system that does more NIH and NSF funding than any other....and that if you care ab out SPORTS you might doubly care because in a war between laying off tenured faculty or ending NIL I can tell you which one is happening....and it isn't involving laying off faculty.
concordtom
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These MAGA wackos here on or are nothing much more than MAGA wackos.
I have no idea how they have become so ideologically programmed, but they are.
I often write of my cousin in TX. He has a solid job in auto manufacturing, 4 kids, only one still in hs. So, sounds normal. But he's often texting me the same incredible stuff as these OT folks. So, I know they are being spoonfed their views, their rage, from somewhere, I just don't understand it.

We too are cultured to think the way we do, it just seems to make far more sense to me, whereas these guys strings are illogical to me.



AunBear89
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Nah. All they care about is owning the libs and celebrating other people's misery.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
Zippergate
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socaltownie said:

Here is why that number is farcical. There are approximately 14 million UK citizens under 18. So 7 million girls. Uour high end would say 1 in 7. Since this is largely a phenomena of of the lower class lest half that.....or 1 in 3 UK girls from the bottom third of hh incomes have been raped.....and yet globalists have been able to cover it up.

Upu guys are crazy!!!
Wait, I missed something. What is the number you are complaining about? I've seen 100k to 250k. Those are very high numbers, absolutely scandalous, but perfectly reasonable when you consider that this has been going on for a couple decades now. So your 7 million is way too low. Second, globalists have NOT been able to cover this up. They've only been able to cover it up from people like you who don't want to know the truth and who disregard any evidence that they find uncomfortable.
movielover
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socaltownie said:

Here is why that number is farcical. There are approximately 14 million UK citizens under 18. So 7 million girls. Uour high end would say 1 in 7. Since this is largely a phenomena of of the lower class lest half that.....or 1 in 3 UK girls from the bottom third of hh incomes have been raped.....and yet globalists have been able to cover it up.

Upu guys are crazy!!!


Your math, and logic, fail again.

These grooming gang assaults have happened over a 30 to 40 year period. So your numerical assumptions are false. (I first read about these acts around 2000.)

Every few years there are new potential victims, and the barbaric acts seem to reach younger children.
socaltownie
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LOL. So...

Best statistic say that US has about a rate of Child sexual violence of 1.9 per 1,000 on an annulaized basis. Happy for better data.
https://www.usccb.org/offices/child-and-youth-protection/child-sexual-abuse-united-states-problems-and-progress

Taking your number of 1,000,000 over 30 years we get 33,333 anualized.

33,333 divided by 14,8 million (which is the number of UK under 18) we get 0.0022% or 2.2 per 1000

In other words UK is not at all out of line with US. Even 1 is not good but statistics are a *****. Plus I used your likely GROSSLY inflated number of 1 million. And we haven't even talked about that violence against children is 90% of the time by someone they closely know ((friend, family member, etc.).

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Wake up
HawaiiBear33
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socaltownie said:

LOL. So...

Best statistic say that US has about a rate of Child sexual violence of 1.9 per 1,000 on an annulaized basis. Happy for better data.
https://www.usccb.org/offices/child-and-youth-protection/child-sexual-abuse-united-states-problems-and-progress

Taking your number of 1,000,000 over 30 years we get 33,333 anualized.

33,333 divided by 14,8 million (which is the number of UK under 18) we get 0.0022% or 2.2 per 1000

In other words UK is not at all out of line with US. Even 1 is not good but statistics are a *****. Plus I used your likely GROSSLY inflated number of 1 million. And we haven't even talked about that violence against children is 90% of the time by someone they closely know ((friend, family member, etc.).




Watch the rape of Britain to see the pathological organized depravity. Yes there are sick MFs in all shapes and sizes and colors.

This is encouraged and covered up by Starmer and UK government.

You keep going to standard sources so you can't get real information. They are all controlled and only show you what they want you to see.

You'll wake up someday
Zippergate
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33,333 divided by 14,8 million (which is the number of UK under 18) we get 0.0022% or 2.2 per 1000

So they have 14.8 million minors in the UK every year?

There are roughly 600k births a year in the UK, half girls. Roughly 10 million girls passed through the targeted age group (10-18) over the last 25 years. So one million would be 10% or 100 in 1000. 250k would be 2.5% or 25 in 1000. 100k would be 1% or 10 in 100.

Ooops. Looks like the real math tells a very different story.

Here's the real story. Perhaps if you girls went to school in a place like Luton Town, you'd have a little different perspective.






movielover
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Switch to non-Apple phones if more protected.
Zippergate
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yeah, nothing to see here. No prosecution or investigation, because 12 year-old girls have consensual sex with five adult males at the same time all the time.


movielover
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Genius:

- learn how to spell check
- reading comprehension. I wrote that some studies have estimated 250,000 to one million victims. It wasn't my study
- one of the many unique characteristics of these evil, violent gangs are the numbers of r*pists per child, and the length of abuse - often one child being passed around, g*ng rapes, and trafficked to adjoining towns
- given the prevalence and explosion in behavior, unsure if this is a common cultural practice, or a subculture practice that has exploded in Britain with underlying racism as one cause, along with minimal chance of consequences
socaltownie
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movielover said:

Genius:

- learn how to spell check
- reading comprehension. I wrote that some studies have estimated 250,000 to one million victims. It wasn't my study
- one of the many unique characteristics of these evil, violent gangs are the numbers of r*pists per child, and the length of abuse - often one child being passed around, g*ng rapes, and trafficked to adjoining towns
- given the prevalence and explosion in behavior, unsure if this is a common cultural practice, or a subculture practice that has exploded in Britain with underlying racism as one cause, along with minimal chance of consequences
When I provided a study that estimated a far lower number you came up with the 250,000 to 1 mllion victims and said over the course of 30 years. I used that to estimate a rate of incident.

And no - I am not spelling checking on a phone. Unlike you I don't spend every waking hour on the computer.

And with that....blocked.
movielover
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More Irish troublemakers ...

Eastern Oregon Bear
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socaltownie said:

movielover said:

Genius:

- learn how to spell check
- reading comprehension. I wrote that some studies have estimated 250,000 to one million victims. It wasn't my study
- one of the many unique characteristics of these evil, violent gangs are the numbers of r*pists per child, and the length of abuse - often one child being passed around, g*ng rapes, and trafficked to adjoining towns
- given the prevalence and explosion in behavior, unsure if this is a common cultural practice, or a subculture practice that has exploded in Britain with underlying racism as one cause, along with minimal chance of consequences
When I provided a study that estimated a far lower number you came up with the 250,000 to 1 mllion victims and said over the course of 30 years. I used that to estimate a rate of incident.

And no - I am not spelling checking on a phone. Unlike you I don't spend every waking hour on the computer.

And with that....blocked.
Blocking him is a good move. He's hopeless.

I'm convinced this thread goes on and on because we have a few people who get their jollies typing "grooming gangs" and "gang rape" in their posts about swarthy people that don't look like them.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

socaltownie said:

movielover said:

Genius:

- learn how to spell check
- reading comprehension. I wrote that some studies have estimated 250,000 to one million victims. It wasn't my study
- one of the many unique characteristics of these evil, violent gangs are the numbers of r*pists per child, and the length of abuse - often one child being passed around, g*ng rapes, and trafficked to adjoining towns
- given the prevalence and explosion in behavior, unsure if this is a common cultural practice, or a subculture practice that has exploded in Britain with underlying racism as one cause, along with minimal chance of consequences
When I provided a study that estimated a far lower number you came up with the 250,000 to 1 mllion victims and said over the course of 30 years. I used that to estimate a rate of incident.

And no - I am not spelling checking on a phone. Unlike you I don't spend every waking hour on the computer.

And with that....blocked.
Blocking him is a good move. He's hopeless.

I'm convinced this thread goes on and on because we have a few people who get their jollies typing "grooming gangs" and "gang rape" in their posts about swarthy people that don't look like them.


Pretending it's not real makes you a pedo enabler


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Interesting
Eastern Oregon Bear
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HawaiiBear33 said:



Interesting
I've never been able to buy alcohol at Five Guys.

McDonalds in France serves bread and jam for breakfast. McDonalds in Taiwan serves fried chicken. KFC serves shrimp burgers in China. You can't get any of those here.

Smart restaurants tailor their menus to match local tastes. If you're in the most Islamic ghetto area in London, you'll probably lose customers if you have pork and alcohol on the menu.
Cal88
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HawaiiBear33 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

socaltownie said:

movielover said:

Genius:

- learn how to spell check
- reading comprehension. I wrote that some studies have estimated 250,000 to one million victims. It wasn't my study
- one of the many unique characteristics of these evil, violent gangs are the numbers of r*pists per child, and the length of abuse - often one child being passed around, g*ng rapes, and trafficked to adjoining towns
- given the prevalence and explosion in behavior, unsure if this is a common cultural practice, or a subculture practice that has exploded in Britain with underlying racism as one cause, along with minimal chance of consequences
When I provided a study that estimated a far lower number you came up with the 250,000 to 1 mllion victims and said over the course of 30 years. I used that to estimate a rate of incident.

And no - I am not spelling checking on a phone. Unlike you I don't spend every waking hour on the computer.

And with that....blocked.
Blocking him is a good move. He's hopeless.

I'm convinced this thread goes on and on because we have a few people who get their jollies typing "grooming gangs" and "gang rape" in their posts about swarthy people that don't look like them.


Pretending it's not real makes you a pedo enabler





This is Tommy Robinson's whole raison d'etre, he has been astroturfed and completely funded by zionist groups for over a decade now in order to steer British working class right wing sympathizers towards Israel and to conflate the UK's (and now Europe's) huge open border/mass immigration problem with Islam.

His real name is Stephen Yaxley, and he has been a coke addict who hit pay dirt with his current messaging, cultivating an image as a martyr by deliberately breaking laws that get him small jail sentences.


movielover
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You mean small jail sentences where he gets put into a completely Muslim group jail cell to be immediately attacked, and have his teeth knocked out within seconds of the brutal group violent assault? He correctly notes that if they knew he was coming, they would have had a shank, and he'd be dead.

How many politicians and families allegedly did cocaine?

Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hunter Biden, Boris Johnson, Rob Ford (Toronto Mayor, crack addict), Michael Gove, and more.

Barack Obama

"In his own words, his use was limited to marijuana and cocaine: "I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it."

https://sunlightrecovery.com/political-leaders-used-drugs-spoke-about-it/

Tommy Robinson has done more than the Church of England, British law enforcement, Amnesty International, United Nations, and feminists - combined - to highlight and stop r*pe-and-torture gangs.

So am I surprised he might be an adrenaline junkie? No.
Zippergate
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This is Tommy Robinson's whole raison d'etre, he has been astroturfed and completely funded by zionist groups for over a decade now in order to steer British working class right wing sympathizers towards Israel and to conflate the UK's (and now Europe's) huge open border/mass immigration problem with Islam.

So in your opinion, the Pakistani rape gangs are not a problem? The teachings and example of the "prophet" are not what motivates these men?
movielover
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A British Swede says that one in four girls can be expected to be raped by 18 in Sweden. (I posted the link on the immigration thread.)

Tommy Robinson heard about immigrants harassing female journalists in some country, maybe Italy. So he travels there to the exact area. As he's walking down the street an immigrant starts harassing and threatening TR. I believe the immigrant then says "I will kill you!", and TR immediately decks him.

He's no angel, but he's walking evil, tough streets and towns.
Cal88
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movielover said:

You mean small jail sentences where he gets put into a completely Muslim group jail cell to be immediately attacked, and have his teeth knocked out within seconds of the brutal group violent assault? He correctly notes that if they knew he was coming, they would have had a shank, and he'd be dead.

How many politicians and families allegedly did cocaine?

Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hunter Biden, Boris Johnson, Rob Ford (Toronto Mayor, crack addict), Michael Gove, and more.

Barack Obama

"In his own words, his use was limited to marijuana and cocaine: "I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it."

https://sunlightrecovery.com/political-leaders-used-drugs-spoke-about-it/

Tommy Robinson has done more than the Church of England, British law enforcement, Amnesty International, United Nations, and feminists - combined - to highlight and stop r*pe-and-torture gangs.

So am I surprised he might be an adrenaline junkie? No.



Tommy Robinson is not who you think he is, I understand where you guys are coming from, but you are (1) acting on an emotional plane and (2) not familiar with his background.

He is a grifter and a coke addict who has been a fixture in the agitprop political game for the money. He doesn't really care about English women, as shown in the video above with the testimony of that British Canadian woman who was shocked by his behavior, him having no qualms blowing off his astroturfed payoffs into prostitutes who might be just as exploited as the women he is purportedly white knighting for.

To the extent that Tommy Robinson is bringing attention to the Pak. British Midlands child traffickers, that is a positive thing, as the UK and other European countries have a huge child trafficking problem that is much wider than that and is indeed being covered up (see Jimmy Saville and the BBC), but he is only doing it to drive the "clash of civilizations" agenda that his neocon backers are pushing, and that is not a good thing.

Furthermore, crime in the UK is not a Pakistani Muslim issue, it is a broader immigration issue with newcomers not fitting into local economies:
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest/

There are 1 million Pakistanis immigrants in north America, but there isn't the same issue here as in the UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income#By_detailed_races/ethnicities
Cal88
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Zippergate said:

This is Tommy Robinson's whole raison d'etre, he has been astroturfed and completely funded by zionist groups for over a decade now in order to steer British working class right wing sympathizers towards Israel and to conflate the UK's (and now Europe's) huge open border/mass immigration problem with Islam.

So in your opinion, the Pakistani rape gangs are not a problem? The teachings and example of the "prophet" are not what motivates these men?

As mentioned above, these Pakistani gangs are a local issue in the UK, a country which has one of the most dysfunctional social underclass in Europe due to the neoliberal shifts started under the Thatcher era and worsened by successive administrations from both leading parties. The most economically depressed regions in England have the largest south Asian populations because much like in say Detroit or Gary, IN, these regions were formerly heavily industrialized and attracted migrants.

These regions today have some of the highest rates of single parents in Europe. These gangs prey on their kids, and yes these crimes don't get appropriate punishment in the UK, the legal system is seriously effed up and immigration is way too high, much worse than in the US because European economies can't handle the volumes as well as the US, Canada or Australia can, one of the reasons that Pakistanis, Muslims and immigrants from other regions integrate much better in these countries than in Europe.

In France, there is a similar child/women sex trafficking issue but the gangs tend to be from Latin America, West Africa or the Balkans, not a Muslim issue, despite France having around 7 million Muslims.

https://www.lepoint.fr/societe/proxenetisme-en-france-l-essor-inquietant-des-reseaux-d-amerique-latine-et-des-caraibes-17-01-2025-2580210_23.php#11

https://arretonslesviolences.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/2024-07/Lettre-thematique-observatoire-national-prostitution-octobre-2015.pdf
movielover
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My hunch is that this has become some kind of self-perpetuating subculture. The first groups had (evil) success - r*pe, money, drugs intertwined. Brother recruits brother, cousin, neighbor, punishment is rare, and this subculture spreads.

When I first read about it around 2000 it appeared more limited.

So a hero can't be a party boy? Jane's Bond was no saint.
socaltownie
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



Interesting
I've never been able to buy alcohol at Five Guys.

McDonalds in France serves bread and jam for breakfast. McDonalds in Taiwan serves fried chicken. KFC serves shrimp burgers in China. You can't get any of those here.

Smart restaurants tailor their menus to match local tastes. If you're in the most Islamic ghetto area in London, you'll probably lose customers if you have pork and alcohol on the menu.
OMG. Read up on this guy Tommy Robinson. He is horrific
 
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