SoCal fires thread

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I wouldn't discount the possibility that this massive catastrophe happened because of arson.
It could happen by disgruntled homeless or by Al Queda type enemies of the state - and is relatively very very simple.

All the more reason to strategize a Manhattan Project for defense against such an attack.

Creating fewer enemies is a great deterrent start!!

I recall hearing how the wealthy in Buenos Aires live behind huge walls with bars on every window - that struck me as a hell of a (unfortunate) way to live.

Wealth concentration, whether locally or globally, is a B*. Man is jealous. And we've always known it. Cain vs Abel.


The enemies here are not foreign terrorists, they are domestic antisocial types, the same types that push people into the path of an arriving subway train in NYC. There are nearly 100,000 homeless in LA, a sizeable percentage with mental illness, and a very small percentage who probably deeply resent their condition and could act upon that resentment. A very small percentage of 100,000 people is a lot of people.

There also are many environmental activists who have gone to the dark side, think Ted Kaczynski but with the cause of anthropogenic global warming. What a better way to drive the narrative that the planet is "burning" than to actually burn the city down. In last year's forest fires in the east and Canada, many such arsonist characters were apprehended.
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Quote:

The enemies here are not foreign terrorists, they are domestic antisocial types.


I realize immediate disagreement is the norm for this format, but allow me to ask you if wars haven't been fought because nations who covet their neighbors' stuff since… forever.

Japan existed for thousands of years without oil. But then they got used to it, and attacked to secure its consistent supply.

Ukraine is being taken because they have fertile land and resources Russia wants.

How much stretching would it take to find a point of agreement rather than disagreement. I was talking about human nature, jealousy.
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Cal88 said:

concordtom said:

movielover said:





I wouldn't discount the possibility that this massive catastrophe happened because of arson.
It could happen by disgruntled homeless or by Al Queda type enemies of the state - and is relatively very very simple.

All the more reason to strategize a Manhattan Project for defense against such an attack.

Creating fewer enemies is a great deterrent start!!

I recall hearing how the wealthy in Buenos Aires live behind huge walls with bars on every window - that struck me as a hell of a (unfortunate) way to live.

Wealth concentration, whether locally or globally, is a B*. Man is jealous. And we've always known it. Cain vs Abel.


The enemies here are not foreign terrorists, they are domestic antisocial types, the same types that push people into the path of an arriving subway train in NYC. There are nearly 100,000 homeless in LA, a sizeable percentage with mental illness, and a very small percentage who probably deeply resent their condition and could act upon that resentment. A very small percentage of 100,000 people is a lot of people.

There also are many environmental activists who have gone to the dark side, think Ted Kaczynski but with the cause of anthropogenic global warming. What a better way to drive the narrative that the planet is "burning" than to actually burn the city down. In last year's forest fires in the east and Canada, many such arsonist characters were apprehended.


There are thousands of petty crimes of theft every Day. You have highlighted the rare subway pusher or the even more rare Ted K. And then you juxtapose your fear of 100k homeless who *could* do something.

Yeah, and Bernie Madoff or OJ Simpson could do something too. Or thousands of angry Trump supporters. Either with hockey sticks or tiki torches.

I was, I think, proposing sharing to improve things. You alluded to compassion by mentioning mental illness but then finished with Fear. I don't think that attitude is helpful.
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concordtom said:

Quote:

The enemies here are not foreign terrorists, they are domestic antisocial types.


I realize immediate disagreement is the norm for this format, but allow me to ask you if wars haven't been fought because nations who covet their neighbors' stuff since… forever.

Japan existed for thousands of years without oil. But then they got used to it, and attacked to secure its consistent supply.

Ukraine is being taken because they have fertile land and resources Russia wants.

How much stretching would it take to find a point of agreement rather than disagreement. I was talking about human nature, jealousy.


Ukraine was couped by the CIA because they have resources the US wants. Why are we discussing this on the fire thread?
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oski003 said:



Ukraine was couped by the CIA because they have resources the US wants. Why are we discussing this on the fire thread?


Why do Trump and the techno-oligarchs want Greenland? Asking for a friend, Big C.
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This is one weird threat;

But a fellow-up on some prior comments:

Newom executive order:

Newsom has suspended CEQA review and California Coastal Act permitting for reconstruction of properties substantially damaged or destroyed in recent Southern California wildfires. This no doubt will be subject to litigation, but if his order holds-up, this is huge for families trying to get back on their feet and rebuid.

He has also directed all state agencies to review and suspend all laws and regulations that will delay or add cost to rebuilding.

He will work with the Legislature to pass legislation that will prohibit looking jurisdictions from imposing new building codes - this also would be huge, especially for those underinsured, but would also mean cities could not require more fire resistant type replacement homes. That said, Newsom also wants the legislature to address new State Buliding Code requirements for new (as opposed to rebuilt) homes that enhance "wildfire resilience and safety."

Thus comments about CEQA, the Coastal Commission, having to comply with new building codes, etc should be viewed in a different context.
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If I'm a carrier I'd say, "Hire that contractor to rebuild your house":



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oski003 said:

concordtom said:

Quote:

The enemies here are not foreign terrorists, they are domestic antisocial types.


I realize immediate disagreement is the norm for this format, but allow me to ask you if wars haven't been fought because nations who covet their neighbors' stuff since… forever.

Japan existed for thousands of years without oil. But then they got used to it, and attacked to secure its consistent supply.

Ukraine is being taken because they have fertile land and resources Russia wants.

How much stretching would it take to find a point of agreement rather than disagreement. I was talking about human nature, jealousy.


Ukraine was couped by the CIA because they have resources the US wants. Why are we discussing this on the fire thread?


What a load !
What's your source, because it's gotta be the same as what tells millions that Trump won, or that it was a Peaceful Protest - and needs to be shut down asap. For the sake of saving your sanity.

That was a good laugh, though. The level of farce never ceases to amaze me.
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bearister said:

oski003 said:



Ukraine was couped by the CIA because they have resources the US wants. Why are we discussing this on the fire thread?


Why do Trump and the techno-oligarchs want Greenland? Asking for a friend, Big C.

Because they know the ice is going to melt, and then they can exploit it as their own.

Besides, New Zealand is already too crowded.

King Trump, Baron of Greenland.
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concordtom said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

Quote:

The enemies here are not foreign terrorists, they are domestic antisocial types.


I realize immediate disagreement is the norm for this format, but allow me to ask you if wars haven't been fought because nations who covet their neighbors' stuff since… forever.

Japan existed for thousands of years without oil. But then they got used to it, and attacked to secure its consistent supply.

Ukraine is being taken because they have fertile land and resources Russia wants.

How much stretching would it take to find a point of agreement rather than disagreement. I was talking about human nature, jealousy.


Ukraine was couped by the CIA because they have resources the US wants. Why are we discussing this on the fire thread?


What a load !
What's your source, because it's gotta be the same as what tells millions that Trump won, or that it was a Peaceful Protest - and needs to be shut down asap. For the sake of saving your sanity.

That was a good laugh, though. The level of farce never ceases to amaze me.


There are likely 100 sources of such in the Ukraine thread. You just have to open your eyes which seems difficult for you.
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bearister said:

If I'm a carrier I'd say, "Hire that contractor to rebuild your house":






Wife says there's a suspension of (re)building codes?
Stupid!!
Because your photo makes clear the path forward.
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Thank God we have a conservative governor and get a chance to do this all over again .
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concordtom said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

Quote:

The enemies here are not foreign terrorists, they are domestic antisocial types.


I realize immediate disagreement is the norm for this format, but allow me to ask you if wars haven't been fought because nations who covet their neighbors' stuff since… forever.

Japan existed for thousands of years without oil. But then they got used to it, and attacked to secure its consistent supply.

Ukraine is being taken because they have fertile land and resources Russia wants.

How much stretching would it take to find a point of agreement rather than disagreement. I was talking about human nature, jealousy.


Ukraine was couped by the CIA because they have resources the US wants. Why are we discussing this on the fire thread?


What a load !
What's your source, because it's gotta be the same as what tells millions that Trump won, or that it was a Peaceful Protest - and needs to be shut down asap. For the sake of saving your sanity.

That was a good laugh, though. The level of farce never ceases to amaze me.
The source is randos on Twitter, as usual.
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So Newsom is effectively giving an open one-of-a-kind path to PP residents who happen to be primarily White Liberal Millionaires - and many Celebrities. Got it.

Has he done the same for the Dixie, Mendocino, and a dozen other fires?
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concordtom said:

bearister said:

If I'm a carrier I'd say, "Hire that contractor to rebuild your house":




Wife says there's a suspension of (re)building codes?
Stupid!!
Because your photo makes clear the path forward.

Probably a concrete building. Not ideal for earthquakes.
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Several goals with the Ukraine project:
  • Weakening Russia, with the stretch goal of regime change and going back to the Yeltsin years where that country's wealth was pillaged
  • Expanding NATO
  • keeping the war machine going
  • keeping the unaudited billions and associated grafts going
  • Ukrainian resources (black earth, lithium and other minerals)
  • Cutting off Europe from Russia and Russian gas - US LNG captive market, European industry outsourcing to US.
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Newsom is slumming it doing favors for millionaires. Trump only does solids for billionaire techno-oligarchs.
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New Information: Dr Drew notes in the 70s and 80s there were numerous criss crossing fire and fuel breaks cut, and maintained, in those hillsides.

The original reason to stop that, he alleges, was a migrating mouse. Then folks came up with other ecological reasons (excuses) to stop clearing fire breaks.

I understand many see them as an eyesore. But I've read grapes (vines) can be grown in those breaks, and they aren't flammable.

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Don't you just hate it when someone replies to one of your posts and it gets deleted before you get around to looking at it?
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Don't you just hate it when someone replies to one of your posts and it gets deleted before you get around to looking at it?


No.
Delete those mofo's!
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Well, he did something good there. Bravo!
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Thanks, Captain Misinformation!

I think with 60+ mph winds the embers would have ZERO problem jumping your firebreak.

Are you honestly daft enough to think otherwise? Or do you just like posting your nonsense?

Wait, don't answer that. We already know.
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bearister said:

Well, he did something good there. Bravo!


Unlike Donald Trump, Elon Musk is capable of lots of good things!

But as a Machiavellian, he's capable of bad, too.
(Trump is merely a narcissist. Good for him, bad for everyone else.)
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concordtom said:

Thanks, Captain Misinformation!

I think with 60+ mph winds the embers would have ZERO problem jumping your firebreak.

Are you honestly daft enough to think otherwise? Or do you just like posting your nonsense?

Wait, don't answer that. We already know.


Beautiful nonsensical black and white thinking is now apparently a staple of insane Democrats. Way to go Tom.
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Elon Musk the racist Tom?
That Elon Musk?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/01/12/musk-vs-bannon-steve-bannon-lashes-out-at-billionaire-says-he-should-go-back-to-south-africa/

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concordtom said:

Thanks, Captain Misinformation!

I think with 60+ mph winds the embers would have ZERO problem jumping your firebreak.

Are you honestly daft enough to think otherwise? Or do you just like posting your nonsense?

Wait, don't answer that. We already know.


Do you think the Bears will win 3 Rose Bowls with Ott returning at RB?
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wifeisafurd said:

This is one weird threat;

But a fellow-up on some prior comments:

Newom executive order:

Newsom has suspended CEQA review and California Coastal Act permitting for reconstruction of properties substantially damaged or destroyed in recent Southern California wildfires. This no doubt will be subject to litigation, but if his order holds-up, this is huge for families trying to get back on their feet and rebuid.

He has also directed all state agencies to review and suspend all laws and regulations that will delay or add cost to rebuilding.

He will work with the Legislature to pass legislation that will prohibit looking jurisdictions from imposing new building codes - this also would be huge, especially for those underinsured, but would also mean cities could not require more fire resistant type replacement homes. That said, Newsom also wants the legislature to address new State Buliding Code requirements for new (as opposed to rebuilt) homes that enhance "wildfire resilience and safety."

Thus comments about CEQA, the Coastal Commission, having to comply with new building codes, etc should be viewed in a different context.

I came here to post this. I believe in giving credit when due and Newsome's order (assuming its enforceable) is a huge positive. Hopefully more similar orders are to follow.

I was also encouraged to hear Mayor Bass make similar comments about eliminating LA building permit requirements/red tape.

Below is a link to the executive order.



www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/EO-N-4-25-Rebuilding-Final-signed.pdf
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DiabloWags said:

Elon Musk the racist Tom?
That Elon Musk?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/01/12/musk-vs-bannon-steve-bannon-lashes-out-at-billionaire-says-he-should-go-back-to-south-africa/



Bannon is also insane.
I don't need to respond to his blather.

He accuses Musk of something simply because of where he's from? Idiot!
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News article says:

Twenty-four people are known to have died across the Los Angeles area after destructive wildfires …
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Los Angeles County wildfires: The ongoing fight to stop the fires and the devastation of neighborhoods - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-area-wildfires-60-minutes-transcript/
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bearister said:

Los Angeles County wildfires: The ongoing fight to stop the fires and the devastation of neighborhoods - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-area-wildfires-60-minutes-transcript/


Did you see the Calvin family?
That was so sad.
I think they said 4 family houses burned down, and one member died.
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bearister said:

Los Angeles County wildfires: The ongoing fight to stop the fires and the devastation of neighborhoods - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-area-wildfires-60-minutes-transcript/
Good coverage. This is the sort of reporting you won't get from citizen journalists or social media hot take "experts".
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The reason these fires are so bad is because DEI.
 
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