DiabloWags said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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DiabloWags said:

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movielover said:

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Idiot narcissists create super fires.

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The Orange Genius is on his way to Los Angelese to tell everyone that the reason why they had these fires wipe everything out in the Palisades and Altadena is because the State didn't let the water flow from North to South.

There are some truly dumba^^ people in this world.

Lmfao!

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You mean the same Los Angeles that's still burning?

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No, this CLOWN.

"I don't think we should give California anything until they let water flow down," the president told Hannity, claiming water from northern California needed to be redirected south.

Because we all know that LA's water comes from NorCal.
And they didn't have any water to fight the fire.
lol


Trump to tour LA wildfires after threats to withhold aid over water policy, voter ID

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The media says Trump shouldn't make disaster aid to California continent on reforms. But why should the American people subsidize a state whose Gov. @GavinNewsom & @MayorOfLA de-funded firefighters & drained a reservoir that would have saved a neighborhood? It's a moral hazard. https://t.co/M6aQfHj0yh pic.twitter.com/QgDQHkYekJ

— Michael Shellenberger (@shellenberger) January 24, 2025

The people of North Carolina showed massive love to President Trump and the First Lady, and they showed it back.

They spent 20 minutes hugging people, shaking hands, and signing hats & shirts. pic.twitter.com/rVRZzeXRkQ

— George (@BehizyTweets) January 24, 2025

Trump is visiting the North Carolina flood victims before he visits Los Angeles.

MinotStateBeav said:

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DiabloWags said:

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movielover said:

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Idiot narcissists create super fires.

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The Orange Genius is on his way to Los Angelese to tell everyone that the reason why they had these fires wipe everything out in the Palisades and Altadena is because the State didn't let the water flow from North to South.

There are some truly dumba^^ people in this world.

Lmfao!

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You mean the same Los Angeles that's still burning?

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I hear they have the top five female DEI leaders money can buy.

concordtom said:

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movielover said:

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The Guardian: We surpassed human limits to stop this': LA megafires show our approach to fire needs to change

"We need to shift to a proactive model that accepts fire as part of the landscape and mitigates risk with fuel management, like prescribed burns, he said. "Instead of fire suppression, [we need] fire management and re-engaging with fire, which makes a great ally," he said...."

"..."What has been a tinder box ready to burn has now burned," Teutimez said. "Unfortunately, it's something that wasn't a surprise, but it is a catastrophe."

"From his perspective, non-Indigenous land management practices helped to set the stage for the destructive fires.

"Before European settlers arrived, there were fires that benefited the ecosystem, and native plants evolved to live with fire. Indigenous people set small fires to care for the landscape, until the practice was outlawed. The fire suppression model that displaced Indigenous practices allows vegetation to build up and create fuel for wildfires...."

"...The kind of fuel management that is required would cost a lot up front, but lower overall costs over time...."

"...Eyck said that although prescribed burns were happening, they were not happening nearly enough. Sometimes that's because the weather windows when they can take place are brief, because of local opposition, or because regulations and time get in the way. ... "It needs to be expanded, and then the regulatory barriers that are in place need to be addressed to make it easier to get their work done," he said..."

"...Kelly, the IAFF president, said budgets must increase staffing for firefighters and also include more money to manage fuels to mitigate risk. He emphasized that the Los Angeles fires were a wake-up call. "We need to be thinking differently," he said."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/los-angeles-wildfires-response

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The structures made of wood are the tinder that is ready to burn, Jack!

How much of the "wild fire" that burned in PP (or Coffey Park, Santa Rosa) was dry brush, and how much of it was human construction?

Building codes need to change.
This includes overhead power lines. They all need to be underground.

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Building codes have changed - mostly in 1990. Issue is many of the homes that burned were built before 1990.

As for putting power lines below ground, easy to say, hard to do. We live near the Eaton Fire and over the past week they've been upgrading the power lines on our street. They're installing support lines for the poles. I mentioned to the crew foreman about putting lines underground and he pointed out it's taking nearly two days per pole to just drill into the ground for simple support lines - imagine how long it would take to dig for complete underground lines. It's not necessarily feasible everywhere.

A big issue is vegetation clearance around power lines, which environmental groups have pushed back on. I attended a conference in 2018 after the massive fires in Northern California and Willie Brown was one of the guest speakers. The fires were brought up and he discussed how the power companies had pushed for twice the clearance around power lines that was eventually agreed to because of the environmental lobbyists pushing back. This has been an issue in the West for years. Interesting article on this here from 2021 in the Sacramento Bee - 'Self-serving garbage.' Wildfire experts escalate fight over saving California forests

Newsom's policies are literally - on fire.

DiabloWags said:

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And of course, the reservoirs down in Southern California were all EMPTY because "they didn't let the water flow down."

Try again dumba^^

Literally every major reservoir in the State is filled above the historical average of capacity.
Except Millerton at 81% which is just outside of Fresno.

Major Water Supply Reservoirs

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The most important reservoir - Santa Ynez Reservoir - is at 0%.

Folsom is 16% below historical average.

San Luis (transfer) Reservoir only at 74% of capacity while we dump water into the Pacific.

Critically, despite two excellent years of rain and snowpack well above 100% of average, last year Central Valley farmers were only given 50% of their contract allotment, but they have to pay for 100%.

Worse, 10% was allotted in May or June, while farmers need time to make planting decisions.

Replenishing our aquifers also doesn't appear robust or widespread.

DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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Well yes, he is wrong, the reservoirs are empty because they didn't fix a simple problem with the cover for a whole year, which would have allowed them to suppress at least one of the major fires. Among other issues related to the incompetence in Sacto and LA.

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Which reservoirs were empty?
Name them.

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Starting with this one

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-22/why-has-a-reservoir-in-palisades-stood-empty-for-a-year

sycasey said:

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Looks like it's about states' rights until it's a state we don't like.

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California might turn red after the next four years and when Voter ID is required.

LATimes: This reservoir was built to save Pacific Palisades. It was empty when the flames came

"After flames leveled nearly 500 homes in Bel-Air and Brentwood in 1961, Los Angeles had a reckoning over firefighting.

"By 1964, city leaders had added 13 fire stations, mapped out fire hydrants, purchased helicopters and dispatched more crews to the Santa Monica Mountains. To accommodate growth in Pacific Palisades, they built a reservoir in Santa Ynez Canyon, as well as a pumping station "to increase fire protection," as the L.A. Department of Water and Power's then-chief water engineer, Gerald W. Jones, told The Times in 1972."

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-22/why-has-a-reservoir-in-palisades-stood-empty-for-a-year

Hey Genius, San Luis Reservoir isn't used for flood protection, it's a large holding reservoir which stores water for use East and South of it.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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And of course, the reservoirs down in Southern California were all EMPTY because "they didn't let the water flow down."

Try again dumba^^

Literally every major reservoir in the State is filled above the historical average of capacity.
Except Millerton at 81% which is just outside of Fresno.

Major Water Supply Reservoirs

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The most important reservoir - Santa Ynez Reservoir - is at 0%.

Folsom is 16% below historical average.

San Luis (transfer) Reservoir only at 74% of capacity while we dump water into the Pacific.

Critically, despite two excellent years of rain and snowpack well above 100% of average, last year Central Valley farmers were only given 50% of their contract allotment, but they have to pay for 100%.

Worse, 10% was allotted in May or June, while farmers need time to make planting decisions.

Replenishing our aquifers also doesn't appear robust or widespread.

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Hey Einstein, the San Luis Reservoir at 74% full (103% of normal) is right for mid to late January. You still have 3 months of the rainy season, so you need storage capacity for storms later this winter/spring and for snowmelt from the mountains. You can't save every drop of water in the rivers, nor should you want to. Fresh water flowing to the ocean is the normal order of things. Cutting it off would have significant but unknown consequences to the coastal ocean environment and species.

Here's a link to a CNN story (probably just ensured you would ignore it because the shade of Bill Wattenburg etc...) that explores some of the difficulties of preventing and fighting wildfires in SoCal:

http://CNN.com/2025/01/24/climate/trump-california-fires-raking-forests/index.html

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This ignores the colossal mismanagement on expanding our water capture capabilities. Anyone remember Proposition 1 in 2014? $7 billion in bonds for improved and expanded water projects? Still in progress it seems - This reservoir on the Sacramento River has been planned for decades. What's taking so long? Please write your representative to demand faster action on these projects!

DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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Well yes, he is wrong, the reservoirs are empty because they didn't fix a simple problem with the cover for a whole year, which would have allowed them to suppress at least one of the major fires. Among other issues related to the incompetence in Sacto and LA.

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Which reservoirs were empty?
Name them.

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Starting with this one

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-22/why-has-a-reservoir-in-palisades-stood-empty-for-a-year

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In your typical "spin" you said reservoirs.

I'VE GOT $10,000 THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T NAME ANOTHER "EMPTY" RESERVOIR.

WANNA PLAY?

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That ONE reservoir I've named above, which sat empty for minor repairs and is located right on top of the Palisades, could have saved thousands of homes downstream.

There appears to be a major confluence of wholesale versus retail water. The State gets water and water rights from various sources. California receives 75 percent of its rain and snow in the watersheds north of Sacramento. However, 80 percent of California's water demand comes from the southern 2/3 . There also is some water through private rights like water wells in adjudicated water basins. The owners of much of the water is large governmental water districts, which technically are State agencies. They also buy the rights to most privately produced water.

Applicable to the Palisades area and Altadena is the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, or MWD, which was my client. The MWD is the primary wholesaler of water to local water purveyors. The MWD and other water wholesalers operate one of the world's most extensive systems of dams, reservoirs, power plants, pumping plants and aqueducts and remains key to California's economy, as they move water to locals retain jurisdictions. These entities do not serve local communities directly, nor do they provide water for fire suppression, and the continuing reference to their infrastructure demonstrates a true ignorance.

Respecting the Palisades, the fire departments fighting fires in that aeea had or rely of the water provided by the LADWP. In the case of the Eaton fire, there was combination of public and private water company (e.g. Cal Water Company) providers locally. The issue would be in terms of water pressure in the immediate fire areas, and thus the quality and quantity to the local water infrastructure. For example, the Palisades being at the end of the LAPD water system was already vulnerable. The reservoir in the Palisades area had not been on line for years under the false pretense initially provided by the DWP the reservoir had been closed for maintenance. But even with the addition of the reservoir, the system had not kept up with the growth and did not have the pressure to handle the fire. That was generally not true for the Eaton fire.

In a discussion led by LA County Chief Brain Kane, who was an incidence commander to the Palisades Fire there was insufficient water pressure to attack the fire after the first few hours the fire fighters actually got to attack the blaze. In Kane's view the biggest problem with the inadequate evacuation planning, which led to an evacuation that was a sheet show, that prevented crews from going after the fire and getting assets in place for many hours, while the fire raged out of control.

DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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Well yes, he is wrong, the reservoirs are empty because they didn't fix a simple problem with the cover for a whole year, which would have allowed them to suppress at least one of the major fires. Among other issues related to the incompetence in Sacto and LA.

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Which reservoirs were empty?
Name them.

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Starting with this one

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-22/why-has-a-reservoir-in-palisades-stood-empty-for-a-year

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In your typical "spin" you said reservoirs.

I'VE GOT $10,000 THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T NAME ANOTHER "EMPTY" RESERVOIR.

WANNA PLAY?

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News: There are bad conditions for a wildfire.

Common sense: Should we fill up the reservoir?

Mayor: Nope, I’m headed to Africa

— Dominus Ignota (@dominustweet) January 22, 2025

sycasey said:

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bear2034 said:

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sycasey said:

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Looks like it's about states' rights until it's a state we don't like.

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California might turn red after the next four years and when Voter ID is required.

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California remains blue because high-income educated people have shifted blue. Voter ID laws won't change that.

Regardless, it's insane to condition disaster aid on something like this. Unless you want the next Democratic president to require that the next red state hit with a hurricane has to remove its gerrymander.

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🚨BREAKING: Democrats in Sacramento just voted to BLOCK $1 billion for wildfire prevention. Their failure to invest in prevention directly lead to the disastrous fires. They would rather spend our tax dollars to fund healthcare for illegal immigrants.

Every AYE vote was to kill… pic.twitter.com/rfqSG3c2mq

— Bill Essayli (@billessayli) January 23, 2025

Why won't high-income, educated people fund and support fire prevention in their own state but ask the federal government for money?

High-income, educated beggars can't be choosers.

Gavin Newsom and California Democrats reach $50M deal to Trump-proof the state

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/13/newsom-california-democrats-trump-legal-fights-00197784

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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HKBear97! said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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And of course, the reservoirs down in Southern California were all EMPTY because "they didn't let the water flow down."

Try again dumba^^

Literally every major reservoir in the State is filled above the historical average of capacity.
Except Millerton at 81% which is just outside of Fresno.

Major Water Supply Reservoirs

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The most important reservoir - Santa Ynez Reservoir - is at 0%.

Folsom is 16% below historical average.

San Luis (transfer) Reservoir only at 74% of capacity while we dump water into the Pacific.

Critically, despite two excellent years of rain and snowpack well above 100% of average, last year Central Valley farmers were only given 50% of their contract allotment, but they have to pay for 100%.

Worse, 10% was allotted in May or June, while farmers need time to make planting decisions.

Replenishing our aquifers also doesn't appear robust or widespread.

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Hey Einstein, the San Luis Reservoir at 74% full (103% of normal) is right for mid to late January. You still have 3 months of the rainy season, so you need storage capacity for storms later this winter/spring and for snowmelt from the mountains. You can't save every drop of water in the rivers, nor should you want to. Fresh water flowing to the ocean is the normal order of things. Cutting it off would have significant but unknown consequences to the coastal ocean environment and species.

Here's a link to a CNN story (probably just ensured you would ignore it because the shade of Bill Wattenburg etc...) that explores some of the difficulties of preventing and fighting wildfires in SoCal:

http://CNN.com/2025/01/24/climate/trump-california-fires-raking-forests/index.html

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This ignores the colossal mismanagement on expanding our water capture capabilities. Anyone remember Proposition 1 in 2014? $7 billion in bonds for improved and expanded water projects? Still in progress it seems - This reservoir on the Sacramento River has been planned for decades. What's taking so long? Please write your representative to demand faster action on these projects!

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Why should the rest of California and the US have to pay hundreds of billions because Los Angeles allowed unlimited growth to an area without sufficient water to support it?

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Huh? California voters already approved this bond measure. Besides, this isn't new. We just went through one of the wettest seasons in years and the vast majority of that water wasn't captured. The Pacific Institute published a report last year ranking California ninth among states with the most estimated urban runoff. Just capturing runoff from those areas would be enough to supply 7 million Southern California households every year. Here's the report - Untapped Potential: An Assessment of Urban Stormwater Runoff Potential in the United States