https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/06/03/hegseth-orders-navy-strip-name-of-gay-rights-icon-harvey-milk-ship.html

Cal88 said:

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Harvey Milk groomed underage boys and drove at least one of them to suicide. pic.twitter.com/kUZb2cPgO4

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) May 23, 2024

The quote here is from Randy Shilts' book on Milk. Shilts was a well-known reporter for the SF Chron and The Advocate, the first openly gay reporter at the Chron, so hardly a partisan or marginal opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Shilts

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Wow, had no idea you were for cancel culture. But in retrospect, it makes sense.

okaydo said:

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Cal88 said:

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Harvey Milk groomed underage boys and drove at least one of them to suicide. pic.twitter.com/kUZb2cPgO4

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) May 23, 2024

The quote here is from Randy Shilts' book on Milk. Shilts was a well-known reporter for the SF Chron and The Advocate, the first openly gay reporter at the Chron, so hardly a partisan or marginal opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Shilts

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Wow, had no idea you were for cancel culture. But in retrospect, it makes sense.

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Does being against statutory rape make someone an advocate for cancel culture?


From Shilts' biography of Milk:

"...sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure...At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." (pages 30-31)

"It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life." (page 24)

"Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems." (page 180)

Milk would satisfy this penchant by hanging out at the Greyhound station to pick up runaways, according to Shilts. Shilts also notes in his book that Milk himself was raped at the age 14 by an old man, this is kind of a vampiristic pattern that is not uncommon. Of course Milk didn't deserve to be shot and understandably he is a martyr and a key figure in the early homosexual movement, but he is still a very flawed personality and perhaps should not be beatified.

The city of San Francisco named one of their airport terminals after a peedo.

Cal88 said:

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"Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems." (page 180)

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Word of the day: penchant


"My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with a low-grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery."


*I'm thinking just the fact Harvey was gay was enough for the homophobic Trump administration.

They should name ships and buildings after sports and entertainment figures - America's most important legacy- not lawyers

USS Hank Williams , Louis Armstrong, Henry Aaron

Anarchistbear said:

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They should name ships and buildings after sports and entertainment figures - America's most important legacy- not lawyers

USS Hank Williams , Louis Armstrong, Henry Aaron

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Yeah, the last two names aren't happening under Trump/Hegseth. Too DEI and it makes White guys feel like they are invisible.

Renaming the USS Harvey Milk? Just another case of discrimination against white males.

Cal88 said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal88 said:

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Harvey Milk groomed underage boys and drove at least one of them to suicide. pic.twitter.com/kUZb2cPgO4

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) May 23, 2024

The quote here is from Randy Shilts' book on Milk. Shilts was a well-known reporter for the SF Chron and The Advocate, the first openly gay reporter at the Chron, so hardly a partisan or marginal opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Shilts

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Wow, had no idea you were for cancel culture. But in retrospect, it makes sense.

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Does being against statutory rape make someone an advocate for cancel culture?


From Shilts' biography of Milk:

"...sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure...At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." (pages 30-31)

"It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life." (page 24)

"Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems." (page 180)

Milk would satisfy this penchant by hanging out at the Greyhound station to pick up runaways, according to Shilts. Shilts also notes in his book that Milk himself was raped at the age 14 by an old man, this is kind of a vampiristic pattern that is not uncommon. Of course Milk didn't deserve to be shot and understandably he is a martyr and a key figure in the early homosexual movement, but he is still a very flawed personality and perhaps should not be beatified.

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You can say "should not be be beatified" for just about anyone who ever had anything named after them. We don't honor people for their worst traits, we do it for their best.

Trump doubles down on 'heritage' defense of Confederate statues The Hill


https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/505060-trump-doubles-down-on-heritage-defense-of-confederate/

Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal88 said:

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Harvey Milk groomed underage boys and drove at least one of them to suicide. pic.twitter.com/kUZb2cPgO4

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) May 23, 2024

The quote here is from Randy Shilts' book on Milk. Shilts was a well-known reporter for the SF Chron and The Advocate, the first openly gay reporter at the Chron, so hardly a partisan or marginal opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Shilts

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Wow, had no idea you were for cancel culture. But in retrospect, it makes sense.

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Does being against statutory rape make someone an advocate for cancel culture?


From Shilts' biography of Milk:

"...sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure...At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." (pages 30-31)

"It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life." (page 24)

"Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems." (page 180)

Milk would satisfy this penchant by hanging out at the Greyhound station to pick up runaways, according to Shilts. Shilts also notes in his book that Milk himself was raped at the age 14 by an old man, this is kind of a vampiristic pattern that is not uncommon. Of course Milk didn't deserve to be shot and understandably he is a martyr and a key figure in the early homosexual movement, but he is still a very flawed personality and perhaps should not be beatified.

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You can say "should not be be beatified" for just about anyone who ever had anything named after them. We don't honor people for their worst traits, we do it for their best.

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As far as worst traits, do you not draw the line at statutory rape?

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I'm not as old as some here, but my understanding is that social mores were pretty different in the 70s and sex with people in their elder teens wasn't necessarily viewed as "rape" in the same way it would be now. My larger understanding is that this kind of "first experience with an older man" scenario was very common in the gay community, because for a lot of folks it could be very hard to be open when you're young. I'm not too judgmental about this kind of thing that happened in the past.

I'm also quite sure that the argument being made by Mike Cernovich is not an honest one at all. He doesn't care about pedophilia or whatever, he cares about scoring points against the libs.

sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal88 said:

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Harvey Milk groomed underage boys and drove at least one of them to suicide. pic.twitter.com/kUZb2cPgO4

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) May 23, 2024

The quote here is from Randy Shilts' book on Milk. Shilts was a well-known reporter for the SF Chron and The Advocate, the first openly gay reporter at the Chron, so hardly a partisan or marginal opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Shilts

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Wow, had no idea you were for cancel culture. But in retrospect, it makes sense.

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Does being against statutory rape make someone an advocate for cancel culture?


From Shilts' biography of Milk:

"...sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure...At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." (pages 30-31)

"It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life." (page 24)

"Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems." (page 180)

Milk would satisfy this penchant by hanging out at the Greyhound station to pick up runaways, according to Shilts. Shilts also notes in his book that Milk himself was raped at the age 14 by an old man, this is kind of a vampiristic pattern that is not uncommon. Of course Milk didn't deserve to be shot and understandably he is a martyr and a key figure in the early homosexual movement, but he is still a very flawed personality and perhaps should not be beatified.

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You can say "should not be be beatified" for just about anyone who ever had anything named after them. We don't honor people for their worst traits, we do it for their best.

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As far as worst traits, do you not draw the line at statutory rape?

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I'm not as old as some here, but my understanding is that social mores were pretty different in the 70s and sex with people in their elder teens wasn't necessarily viewed as "rape" in the same way it would be now. My larger understanding is that this kind of "first experience with an older man" scenario was very common in the gay community, because for a lot of folks it could be very hard to be open when you're young. I'm not too judgmental about this kind of thing that happened in the past.

I'm also quite sure that the argument being made by Mike Cernovich is not an honest one at all. He doesn't care about pedophilia or whatever, he cares about scoring points against the libs.

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All this is true but the fascists are never going to buy it and will use this as a cudgel against anyone defending Milk. It's pointless to fight this battle.

But do we draw the line at owning people? How far do we go if we want to judge people for the actions of their time. If we go in, let's go all in.

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal88 said:

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Harvey Milk groomed underage boys and drove at least one of them to suicide. pic.twitter.com/kUZb2cPgO4

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) May 23, 2024

The quote here is from Randy Shilts' book on Milk. Shilts was a well-known reporter for the SF Chron and The Advocate, the first openly gay reporter at the Chron, so hardly a partisan or marginal opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Shilts

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Wow, had no idea you were for cancel culture. But in retrospect, it makes sense.

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Does being against statutory rape make someone an advocate for cancel culture?


From Shilts' biography of Milk:

"...sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure...At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." (pages 30-31)

"It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life." (page 24)

"Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems." (page 180)

Milk would satisfy this penchant by hanging out at the Greyhound station to pick up runaways, according to Shilts. Shilts also notes in his book that Milk himself was raped at the age 14 by an old man, this is kind of a vampiristic pattern that is not uncommon. Of course Milk didn't deserve to be shot and understandably he is a martyr and a key figure in the early homosexual movement, but he is still a very flawed personality and perhaps should not be beatified.

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You can say "should not be be beatified" for just about anyone who ever had anything named after them. We don't honor people for their worst traits, we do it for their best.

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As far as worst traits, do you not draw the line at statutory rape?

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I'm not as old as some here, but my understanding is that social mores were pretty different in the 70s and sex with people in their elder teens wasn't necessarily viewed as "rape" in the same way it would be now. My larger understanding is that this kind of "first experience with an older man" scenario was very common in the gay community, because for a lot of folks it could be very hard to be open when you're young. I'm not too judgmental about this kind of thing that happened in the past.

I'm also quite sure that the argument being made by Mike Cernovich is not an honest one at all. He doesn't care about pedophilia or whatever, he cares about scoring points against the libs.

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The main argument was made by Advocate reporter Randy Shilts, in his biography of Milk.

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I haven't read the whole book, but the only "argument" I can see there in the screenshot is a description of a relationship Milk once had. Does the harsh judgment come from Shilts or Cernovich? Looks to me like it's Cernovich adding his own negative judgment to a relatively dispassionate passage from Shilts. Do you have further context from the book you can add? It seems unlikely that Shilts wrote some kind of anti-Milk screed and called it "The Mayor of Castro Street."

Cal88 said:

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Shilts was a prominent journalist at the Chron, openly gay and well respected in the community, anything but a bigot. I haven't read his Milk biography, but did read Shilts' "And the Band Played On", which was a scathing indictment of the political class that let the AIDS crisis spiral out of control (hello mayor Feinstein).

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Okay, so it doesn't seem like Shilts would be making an anti-Milk argument. He was describing Milk having a relationship with a teenager and Cernovich was taking that and making the anti-Milk argument. That argument doesn't come from Shilts.

Cal88 said:

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Shilts was a prominent journalist at the Chron, openly gay and well respected in the community, anything but a bigot. I haven't read his Milk biography, but did read Shilts' "And the Band Played On", which was a scathing indictment of the political class that let the AIDS crisis spiral out of control (hello mayor Feinstein).

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So now Shilts was a prominent journalist for the SF Chronicle, when a few posts earlier, you were marginalizing Shilts as a reporter for the Advocate.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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Shilts was a prominent journalist at the Chron, openly gay and well respected in the community, anything but a bigot. I haven't read his Milk biography, but did read Shilts' "And the Band Played On", which was a scathing indictment of the political class that let the AIDS crisis spiral out of control (hello mayor Feinstein).

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So now Shilts was a prominent journalist for the SF Chronicle, when a few posts earlier, you were marginalizing Shilts as a reporter for the Advocate.

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