The spoken truth about the Texas floods

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Not Just a Camp. Not Just a Tragedy. A Mirror.

This isn't just about Camp Mystic.
It's about 82 lives lost across Central Texas.
It's about 27 girls and counselors at an elite camp and dozens of everyday Texans whose names you haven't seen in the headlines.

We've heard the polished grief for Camp Mystic. We've seen the prayers, the ribbons, the televised tears. And that grief is real. But so is the silence around everyone else who died in the same flood in the same night just without the privilege.

Was this preventable?
Yes.
Meteorologists screamed warnings days ahead.
The National Weather Service issued flash flood alerts hours before the water rose.
But the systems meant to respond had already been cut, gutted, or ignored.

FEMA funding slashed.
NOAA and weather science jobs eliminated.
Local counties, like Kerr, still lacked sirens or river alarm systems even after decades of prior flooding.
And now? The same politicians who cut preparedness budgets are offering "thoughts and prayers" on camera.

Camp Mystic is a sacred name in Texas elite circles. Girls of governors, oil families, and even former first ladies have attended.
This summer:
~750 campers
~$4,500 each
Estimated $3.3$3.5 million in one session alone
And yet, no real evacuation plan.
No sirens.
No weather-proof bunkers.
No required flood training.
Just prayers and hope on a river that's flooded before.
In 1932. In 1978. In 1987.
This was known.
And still, kids were sleeping in cabins on the banks.

While the nation grieves the girls at Mystic, 41 other Kerr County residents also died.
They weren't from legacy families.
They weren't in matching Mystic uniforms.
But they mattered.

RV families from Odessa, gone.
A 92-year-old swept from her attic.
A father-of-four drowned saving his kids.
A beloved camp director from a different girls' camp, lost.
No headlines. No hashtags. Just grief.

While politicians bickered, Mexico sent firefighters.
Yes, Mexico sent trained first responders across the border to help rescue Americans.
Why? Because they know what community means.
Because some of the bravest acts that night came from two young Mexican counselors who rescued 20 girls, wrote names on their bodies with Sharpie in case they didn't make it.

Let that sink in:
The same country demonized at our borders just saved our daughters.

We failed these kids.
All of them.
Not just at Camp Mystic but across the Hill Country.
We failed the RV family.
The old woman.
The teacher.
The father.
We failed the weather scientists who warned us.
We failed the responders who didn't have resources.
And we failed the Mexican heroes who won't get headlines but gave everything.

So No, I'm Not in the Mood to Be Witty
Because this wasn't a tragedy. It was a choice.
A choice to ignore science.
A choice to protect profit over planning.
A choice to treat some deaths as national news and others as statistics.

We can't claim "nobody could have known."
We did know.
We've known for decades.

We just decided it wasn't urgent.

Until now.

If you're reading this:
Say their names, all of them.
Demand sirens in every river town.
Fund FEMA.
Fund science.
And never forget that when the river came, it didn't ask what color your skin was or who had money.
It just took. Mariana Hernandez

Remember this when you hear and read the nonsense performative grief from MAGAts.

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tequila4kapp
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DiabloWags said:


Don't let pesky little facts get in the way of a favored narrative
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tequila4kapp said:


Don't let pesky little facts get in the way of a favored narrative

Yup.
Don't let the FACTS get in the way.




Texas county where campers died was denied money to boost warning systems


In June 2016, President Barack Obama declared a major disaster in Texas after torrential rains killed 20 people and destroyed hundreds of homes and businesses in the state's southeast corner. It unlocked more than $100 million in money from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to both clean up the damage and help communities across the state prepare for the next disaster.

Kerr County, part of a region whose rivers' and creeks' high flooding potential earned it the nickname "Flash Flood Alley," was among the communities that sought preventative funding. It asked for $1 million to build a flood warning system that would have upgraded 20 water gauge systems, added new water level sensors and posts, and created software and a website to distribute that information to the public in real-time.

Under FEMA's Hazard Mitigation Assistance program, the federal government can distribute money for preventive measures to states that request it. Cities, counties and nonprofits then apply to their states for a piece of it. In Texas, the Division of Emergency Management decides which applications to approve.

The Texas Division of Emergency Management denied Kerr County's 2017 application, meeting minutes show. Kerr County applied again in 2018, when more federal funding became available after Hurricane Harvey. But meeting minutes indicate that Texas' emergency authority again did not approve it.

tequila4kapp
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It is easy to blame when a request like that is denied. But we really need to ask whether or not it would have mattered to this outcome. Maybe it would have mattered. Maybe the warning system would have sounded audible alarms or something. I don't know. But we do know quite a bit of communication went out, starting @36 hours before the flash floods started and up to @30m before the flash floods hit. Without additional info indicating the extra 1M requested nearly a decade ago would have changed the outcome the most reasonable interpretation here is that a very sad and unfortunate natural disaster occurred.

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https://www.npr.org/2025/07/05/nx-s1-5457759/texas-floods-timeline

NPR has compiled a timeline of when local, state and federal officials posted warnings on social media as well as the timeline of events as presented by local officials.

Wednesday, July 2nd:
The Texas Division of Emergency Management (TDEM) announced that it was activating state emergency response resources because of the threat of flooding.

At 3:41 p.m. Central Time, early hints of severe weather came in a post on X by the National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio that said: "scattered moderate to heavy showers continue to develop and expand to the Hill Country."

Thursday, July 3rd:
At 8:47 a.m. Texas Division of Emergency Management posted on X weather guidance in both English and Spanish, informing followers about what to do in a flood, adding: "As we head into the holiday weekend and the flood threat in West & Central TX continues, stay weather aware!"

At some point in the morning, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick later said at a press conference, the TDEM Region 6 Assistance Chief had "personally contacted the judges and mayors in that area and notified them all of potential flooding." He said it was unclear exactly where in the region the storm would hit.

"The message was sent," Patrick said, "It is up to the local counties and mayors under the law to evacuate, if they feel a need. That information was passed along."

At 1:18 p.m., the National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio issued a flood watch, saying "local heavy rainfall could cause flash flooding." At 2:35 p.m. the flood watch was announced on X, saying "pockets of heavy rain are expected and may result in flooding." A flood watch is used when the weather conditions make a flood possible but it does not mean a flood will occur.

At 6:10 p.m., the National Weather Service's Weather Prediction Center issued an assessment for Texas Hill Country about "heavy rainfall," mentioning "flash flooding likely."

At 11:41 p.m., the National Weather Service office in Austin/San Antonio posted a flash flood warning.

At 11:42 p.m., the National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio posted on X upgrading its flood watch to a flood warning for part of the impacted area. In a post from 1:14 a.m. on Friday, that area was expanded. A flood warning occurs when flooding is imminent or already happening.

Friday, July 4th:
At 12:26 a.m., the National Weather Service's Weather Prediction Center said "flash flooding likely overnight with significant impacts possible." This message was posted on X a minute later.

The National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio followed up its warning from 11:41 p.m. Thursday with another flash flood warning at 1:14 a.m. Friday. Another 14 flash flood warnings, which are posted on the NWS website and elsewhere, would come between then and 10:46 a.m.

At 3:06 a.m. the National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio posted on X: "A very dangerous flash flooding event is ongoing." It ended: "Turn Around, Don't Drown!"

Around 3:30 a.m. the Kerrville City Manager Dalton Rice said he was out for an early morning jog along the Guadalupe River and saw "not a drop of rain," according to Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who recounted his conversation with the city manager. Rice added that he left around 4 a.m. when "there was very light rain…We did not see any signs of the river rising at that time."

Then, at 4:15 a.m. the National Weather Service San Angelo posted on X that there was a flash flood emergency. The Austin/San Antonio office posted on its X account about the emergency at 4:23 a.m. This type of alert is "exceedingly rare" and used when there is a "severe threat to human life and catastrophic damage," according to the National Weather Service.

Between 4 a.m. and 6 a.m., the Guadalupe River surged, with water levels rapidly rising as much as 30 feet, according to Rep. Roy. Local TV footage showed the empty foundations of houses, where everything else had been swept away.

Kerrville City Manager Rice said he started getting calls around 5 a.m. about the flooding.
movielover
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North Carolina didn't play well for Biden (Democrats), 108 dead.
movielover
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Toxic masculinity.

Anarchistbear
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SB Gold. These aren't your words. You can rarely write a paragraph.

You lifted them. Why not attribute?
DiabloWags
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movielover said:

North Carolina didn't play well for Biden (Democrats), 108 dead.

Naaaah.

You haven't been paying attention given your political blinders.
Their own GOP state legislature screwed them over.

North Carolina lawmakers erode building code for years before Helene hit
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movielover
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Autopen and Harris let GOP-lean citizens rot in conservative areas.
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movielover said:

North Carolina didn't play well for Biden (Democrats), 108 dead.

This thread represents my first thought:

When it rains hard, anywhere, blame whoever is president.
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concordtom said:

movielover said:

North Carolina didn't play well for Biden (Democrats), 108 dead.

This thread represents my first thought:

When it rains hard, anywhere, blame whoever is president.
Truth. Much like what I've said about the economy...the sitting President owns it
DiabloWags
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movielover said:

Autopen and Harris let GOP-lean citizens rot in conservative areas.

This just goes to show how terribly INGORANT and uninformed you are.
Most people would call it sheer stupidity.

President Obama Signs Texas Disaster Declaration | The American Presidency Project

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tequila4kapp said:

concordtom said:



This thread represents my first thought:

When it rains hard, anywhere, blame whoever is president.
Truth. Much like what I've said about the economy...the sitting President owns it

Unfortunately, whoever is President has no control over the Chairman of the Federal Reserve.
DiabloWags
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A great read by Climate Reporter Emily Foxhall at the Texas Tribune:

Weather warnings gave officials a 3 hour, 21 minute window to save lives in Kerr County.
What happened then remains unclear.

Federal forecasters issued their first flood warning at 1:14 a.m. on July 4. Local officials haven't shed light on when they saw the warnings or whether they saw them in time to take action.

Warnings gave Kerr County officials hours to act before flood | The Texas Tribune



Sounds like people aren't educted about the difference between a Flash Flood Watch and a Flash Flood Warning.
Alert fatigue?

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DiabloWags said:

tequila4kapp said:

concordtom said:



This thread represents my first thought:

When it rains hard, anywhere, blame whoever is president.
Truth. Much like what I've said about the economy...the sitting President owns it

Unfortunately, whoever is President has no control over the Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Of course. Just like they have no control over the rain. But a political reality is that if it happens on your watch you own it (as the President)
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I noted Mariana Hernandez at the end of it. I gave the attribution you mentioned.

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DEI costs lives again?

Amuse: How DEI Cost Lives in Texas: The Tragedy of Austin's Fire Chief

"In the early hours of July 4th, 2025, flash floods tore through Kerr County, Texas, overwhelming communities and claiming more than a hundred lives. As families were swept from homes and children clung to rooftops, the state called for help. Rescue boats were scarce. Time was short. And Austin's elite Swift Water Special Operations Teams, some of the best-trained in the country, sat idle. Why? Because Fire Chief Joel Baker said no."

"...Since taking the post in December 2018, Baker has made it his mission to recruit based on race, sex, and sexual identity. He has said so proudly and publicly. Programs like "Pass the Torch," which deliberately prioritize nonwhite, nonmale, and nonheterosexual applicants, are the centerpiece of his administration. The result? A fire department that is more diverse, but less competent."

".... In response to the predictable failure of his preferred demographics to meet existing thresholds, Baker simply changed the thresholds. He launched investigations into why minority applicants were underperforming. The answer was as predictable as the question: the tests were too hard. So Baker made them easier. Lowered the IQ bar. Softened physical expectations. All to ensure that more boxes could be checked on quarterly DEI reports."

"The irony is brutal. The very teams Chief Baker refused to deploy, the Swift Water rescue units, are disproportionately composed of white men...."

"So when Governor Abbott issued the request for pre-deployment on July 2nd and 3rd, before the floodwaters peaked, Baker balked.... But instead of action, he delivered delay. Instead of deploying a full contingent of trained teams, he sent a trickle. Three rescue swimmers at first. Eight more the next day. Another six after that. Lives were lost in those hours. And those lives are not coming back."

"On July 7, the Austin Firefighters Association initiated a vote of no confidence in Chief Baker. ..."

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I don't know. I posted the chronology of events which demonstrates warnings were given starting about 36 hours in advance up to about 30 minutes before the floods started. That seems like a lot of competency.

My guess based on how I see people I know in Tornado alley behave...there's a certain level of human nature in ignoring these warnings. People get desensitized to the danger because over time warnings are given and no event follows. Repeat x number of times until people mostly ignore the warnings. My suspicion is that is what happened here.
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movielover said:

DEI costs lives again?

Amuse: How DEI Cost Lives in Texas: The Tragedy of Austin's Fire Chief

"In the early hours of July 4th, 2025, flash floods tore through Kerr County, Texas, overwhelming communities and claiming more than a hundred lives. As families were swept from homes and children clung to rooftops, the state called for help. Rescue boats were scarce. Time was short. And Austin's elite Swift Water Special Operations Teams, some of the best-trained in the country, sat idle. Why? Because Fire Chief Joel Baker said no."

"...Since taking the post in December 2018, Baker has made it his mission to recruit based on race, sex, and sexual identity. He has said so proudly and publicly. Programs like "Pass the Torch," which deliberately prioritize nonwhite, nonmale, and nonheterosexual applicants, are the centerpiece of his administration. The result? A fire department that is more diverse, but less competent."

".... In response to the predictable failure of his preferred demographics to meet existing thresholds, Baker simply changed the thresholds. He launched investigations into why minority applicants were underperforming. The answer was as predictable as the question: the tests were too hard. So Baker made them easier. Lowered the IQ bar. Softened physical expectations. All to ensure that more boxes could be checked on quarterly DEI reports."

"The irony is brutal. The very teams Chief Baker refused to deploy, the Swift Water rescue units, are disproportionately composed of white men...."

"So when Governor Abbott issued the request for pre-deployment on July 2nd and 3rd, before the floodwaters peaked, Baker balked.... But instead of action, he delivered delay. Instead of deploying a full contingent of trained teams, he sent a trickle. Three rescue swimmers at first. Eight more the next day. Another six after that. Lives were lost in those hours. And those lives are not coming back."

"On July 7, the Austin Firefighters Association initiated a vote of no confidence in Chief Baker. ..."


Austin is a hundred miles away from the flooded area. I don't think Austin's DEI policies had any impact on their response time to flooding that was a 2 hour drive away. Actually, San Antonio is much closer, about an hour away on I-10.
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I don't know. I posted the chronology of events which demonstrates warnings were given starting about 36 hours in advance up to about 30 minutes before the floods started. That seems like a lot of competency.

My guess based on how I see people I know in Tornado alley behave...there's a certain level of human nature in ignoring these warnings. People get desensitized to the danger because over time warnings are given and no event follows. Repeat x number of times until people mostly ignore the warnings. My suspicion is that is what happened here.


On the West Coast of Florida they have tornado parties.
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movielover said:



On the West Coast of Florida they have tornado parties.


I'll make sure and place that tidbit of information in the Well,That's a Big F@ucking Surprise file.
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tequila4kapp said:

DiabloWags said:

tequila4kapp said:

concordtom said:



This thread represents my first thought:

When it rains hard, anywhere, blame whoever is president.
Truth. Much like what I've said about the economy...the sitting President owns it

Unfortunately, whoever is President has no control over the Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Of course. Just like they have no control over the rain. But a political reality is that if it happens on your watch you own it (as the President)

But the Texas State Legislature had control over House Bill 13 which would have funded Air Sirens being installed in rural areas of the state. They voted it down.

TEXAS and KERR COUNTY HAS BLOOD ON ITS HANDS.
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There is mutual, coordinated aid, especially during historic, life-threatening events. Municipal departments are supposed to train for this It's all hands on deck.

There appears to be a pattern here.

- DEI, connected pilot doesn't listen to male superior
- DEI fire chiefs don't pre-deploy units per SOP in LA, don't keep earlier crew on the clock, etc. Rookie mistakes
- DEI, overpaid, unqualified DWP head doesn't fill primary reservoir
- DEI Fire Captain doesn't deploy A Team during torrential rains, over 159 dead

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"Highly trained swift water rescue teams" were requested by the state in last week before the floods. But Chief Joel G. Baker denied both requests, the union said, calling it "a dereliction of duty," the Austin Firefighters Association said.

"...Firefighters union president Bob Nicks said Austin "had the best boat crews in the state, if not the nation." "

""We explicitly trained with San Antonio for response to the Hill Country because it's in our backyard," Nicks said. "So we have the resources, we have the training, we have the personnel. We are absolutely geared to doing in that area of work." "

https://nypost.com/2025/07/09/us-news/austin-texas-fire-chief-accused-of-refusing-to-send-rescue-team-to-flood-zone-over-800k-dispute/

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Governor of Texas is a gimp- 100% DEI .
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Does this include the female agent who hid behind the podium as shots were fired?


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movielover said:

There is mutual, coordinated aid, especially during historic, life-threatening events. Municipal departments are supposed to train for this It's all hands on deck.

There appears to be a pattern here.

- DEI, connected pilot doesn't listen to male superior
- DEI fire chiefs don't pre-deploy units per SOP in LA, don't keep earlier crew on the clock, etc. Rookie mistakes
- DEI, overpaid, unqualified DWP head doesn't fill primary reservoir
- DEI Fire Captain doesn't deploy A Team during torrential rains, over 159 dead


What's funny is you are just wrong and racist in all that you posted here. What combo

MAGATs, never handle the truth, they are good with the racism though

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Anarchistbear said:

Governor of Texas is a gimp- 100% DEI .
Governor Hot Wheels!

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SBGold said:

Anarchistbear said:

Governor of Texas is a gimp- 100% DEI .
Governor Hot Wheels!

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Democrat prejudice. ^^
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movielover said:

SBGold said:

Anarchistbear said:

Governor of Texas is a gimp- 100% DEI .
Governor Hot Wheels!

UNITY OVER DIVISION

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Go Bears Forever


Democrat prejudice. ^^
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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SBGold said:

Anarchistbear said:

Governor of Texas is a gimp- 100% DEI .
Governor Hot Wheels!

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

If the owners of this site had any balls, they would ban you for your idiotic repetitive bulls hit.
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Just put me on ignore Ciggy. Not sure why you are still here as you don't like it here anyway

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