DC Mayor: DC crime rates drop. Dems: Outraged!

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wifeisafurd said:

concordtom said:

Dear Wife:

Just at first blush here upon reading your thread title: "DC Mayor: DC crime rates drop. Dems: Outraged!"

I interpret this as if you are trying to criticize Democrats, perhaps in a mocking manner.
If this is correct, then I think this makes you look bad because in many other posts over the years you have come off as if "Oh, Trump? - I didn't vote for him". Yet in other posts, like this one, you seem to take the side of Trump the MAGA Republicans, and the crazy MAGA networks that take a similar stance.

I'd like to see you come here on OT and rip on Trump, the MAGA Republicans, and the crazy MAGA networks that do his bidding in brainwashing the population.



BTW: I'm currently watching news clips on the Minneapolis church shooting - and I'm thinking about the many other shootings we've had in America and the political debate that has ensued. That debate often involves the NRA gun lobby, the ease of gun purchase in this country, the type of weaponry used.

The only reason DC Crime is being discussed at this time (as in your thread) is because Trump has decided to take over its police and establish some sort of federal (Trump) control over municipal policing in this country.

But if you really cared about crime, maybe you'd like to focus your ire on how the Trump/Republican/MAGA policies on firearms needs to change. Otherwise, I think you are simply caught up in the crazy brainwashing tactics being employed upon your grey matter.

Have a nice labor day weekend.

Moving further on to the next stage of your Trump derangement syndrome is the issue of firearms and the usual hijack the thread attempt. You want to focus on how the Trump/Republican/MAGA policies on firearms needs to change. Why don't you tell me exactly what policies you think are doing that, and what you propose, so I can understand better what exactly are your concerns. Bear in mind this before you waste my time more:

The Supreme Court, in its infinite wisdom (sarcasm intended), has established the Second Amendment as protecting an individual right to own firearms, not just for militia service, in cases like District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) and applied this to state and local government laws in McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010). More recently, the Court's 2022 decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen affirmed the right to carry firearms in public.


Again, I'll start by saying F O with your TDS slur. You shouldn't use that unless you wish to keep company with his lemming, brainwashed, kissasses.

Now then, things like bump stocks, automatic assault weapons, magazines.

Next, gun show immediate purchases, wrong.
Background checks.

And I'll throw one in there, which I believe is new:

Just because you may pass a sanity, stability test today doesn't mean you forever hold that right. Like a drivers license (cars). Old people lose their judgment.
Further, they say that gun violence often is the result of mental illness - well, someone sane today may not be tomorrow, so why not have some sort of test requirement every so often. I don't know how on earth this would be carried out, but guns in America is out of control, so….

I'll also add that we do not need guns in film, tv, video games. Why do we program ourselves this way? Dumb.

If we can pass a law requiring helmets for motorcycles maybe we can protect the brain via content corruption, too.

There. Waste of your time? Or saucy enough for a considered response ?

A lot of it is a waste of time. I'm not a gun owner and they can better defend their guns. My view to stop crime is to ban hand guns or similar firearms. I think you are going after mass shooting weaponry, which is a different issue. In any event, I don't think the Supreme Court will allow a handgun ban. I also don't think they will allow bans on bump stocks, automatic assault weapons, magazines, etc. The Second Amendment apparently protects weapons "in common use", and unfortunately there are millions of asset rifles and accessories out there. I'm not sure where you are going on the mental capacity ramblings, so I can't really comment, other than lawyers will fight you for stigmatizing those with mental issues that have been resolved.

There is no Second Amendment for helmets on motorcycles. I just don't see any of your solutions being a legal, practical way to stem gun crime. Moreover, there is an issue with raising the Billions of Dollars necessary to compensate people for their weaponry you outlaw and confiscate under the Fifth Amendment. This has all been litigated in past threads, and I'm reluctant to go down this rabbit hole again. Can we just stick to issues already raised in the thread?
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wifeisafurd said:

graguna said:

wifeisafurd said:

tequila4kapp said:

wifeisafurd said:

The big problem with the Democrats is they appear on the wrong side of a critical issue again, and condemning one of their own for reporting success against crime doesn't help. Instead it explains in so many ways why we are stuck with Trump.

Excellent post. I have repeatedly spoken to this on the board…could the Ds pull their heads out of their backsides for once? Some of this is SO obvious - like politics 101 - but they are SO blinded by TDS and SO beholden to their big donors with TDS that they just stay stuck in this world of being demonstrably wrong on core issues. And the irony is their political stupidity enables Trump. It is maybe the craziest thing ever in American politics.

An even better summary. And the legacy media perpetuate all this by continually allowing Trump to dominate the media and by alienating everyone through airing TDS commentary.

Did Gemans in the 1940's who didnt belong to the nazi party suffer from HDS? Is that what it was called back then when you didnt support killing jews? What should it be called in US now where you dont support raping underage girls?


Thanks for making our point.

Comparing Trump and by inference the Republican Party to Nazism is historically inaccurate and harmful. The Nazis orchestrated genocide in pursuit of racial purity, while the vast majority of Republicans and Trump, even those with hardline views, do not remotely align with such an ideology. Trump's own daughter and son in law are Jewish. If anyone is seemingly anti-semeitc these days, it is the left in the US.

And the similarities between the rise of Nazism and the rise of maga are extremely shakey. Most people can't take it or you seriously. We can and do criticize and protest Trump or other Presidents for that matter, but we cannot compare this to the orchestration of exterminating millions This exaggerated rhetoric, highly relevant especially on this site, trivializes the true horror of Nazism and makes the left seem disconnected from reality to people outside.

To the average Republican and the majority of voters in the last election, they're not a Nazi ,and neither is the guy they elected. It serves to make the left seem delusional and further affirm conservative seclusion and devotion to the right. And is certainly alienates people that are Dems or Independents as well. People like you are the problem and the reason why we have Trump as our President.






No. No. No. no.
You are the one who doesn't get it (the compare to Hitler).

Yes, Nazis were about the Aryan race.
Yes, Nazis killed 6 million.

THAT is NOT the compare.
One doesn't need to go that far to be a Nazi.


Here, you're not a film major but you are from SoCal so take a stab at this, then write an essay comparing and contrasting The Wall, Hitlerism, and Trumpism.

It's all right there for you! While you were making your money, some other people were figuring out these traits in human societies and making commentary.

This is 40 years old.
History repeats itself. Or "echoes" is the more appropriate word.



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bearister said:

Trump's playbook, however, does align with the totalitarian playbook, as set forth in Orwell's 1984:

"Comparisons between Donald Trump's actions and George Orwell's 1984 are a feature of political commentary and analysis. Critics and commentators have highlighted several themes and behaviors from the Trump administration and campaigns that they argue echo elements of the Party's tactics in the novel, particularly concerning the manipulation of reality, truth, and historical records.

Manipulation of objective reality
"Rejecting the evidence of your eyes and ears": In a 2018 speech, Trump told an audience, "What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening". This was compared to a line from 1984 in which the Party demands citizens reject the evidence of their own senses.

"Alternative facts" and doublespeak: Following the 2017 presidential inauguration, Trump's counselor Kellyanne Conway defended false claims about crowd size by stating the administration was providing "alternative facts". Critics likened this phrase to the Party's doublespeak, a tactic that uses language to conceal or misrepresent the truth.

Persistent denial of facts: Analysts argue that Trump's "blatant disregard for the truth" and his repeated assertions of falsehoods, despite evidence to the contrary, serve to create an environment where reality is pliable and can be bent to serve his political agenda.

Control of information and the press
"Ministry of Truth" and "fake news": Critics have compared Trump's labeling of unfavorable press coverage as "fake news" to the Party's Ministry of Truth, which fabricates and censors information to align with the Party's narrative. The goal is seen as discrediting any news that questions or criticizes the administration.

Attacking the media as "the enemy of the people": Trump's frequent attacks on journalists and media outlets have been described as mirroring the Party's demonization of dissent. Like the Party, this tactic is seen by critics as an attempt to erode public trust in independent sources of information.

Control over history
Rewriting historical narratives: Some commentators have argued that efforts by the Trump administration to promote a revisionist version of American history, such as initiatives focused on "Americanism" in historical institutions, echo the Party's manipulation of the past. This includes attempting to purge narratives considered "divisive" or "partisan".

The "Memory Hole": Similar to the "memory hole" used in 1984 to destroy contradictory records, the Trump administration has been accused of attempting to remove or alter official historical accounts. Examples cited include removing information from government websites.

Loyalty and power
Absolute control and loyalty: Comparisons have been drawn between Trump's demand for "complete and unchecked loyalty" from individuals and institutions and the Party's quest for absolute power. Actions such as attacking judges or government agencies that defy him are cited as examples of this dynamic.

Endless campaigning and conflict: A key aspect of the Party's control in 1984 is the state of perpetual conflict and propaganda. Some analysts have likened Trump's relentless campaigning and focus on "victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations" to this constant state of ideological warfare."
AI Overview

* I have read 1984 three times and keep current on Trump's actions. This AI Overview is accurate. Why spend more than 10 seconds researching and drafting an essay that some MAGA or MAGA apologist will think he countered with a couple of smug, flippant comments it took him 10 seconds to generate?


Bingo!!!
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wifeisafurd said:

bearister said:

Trump's playbook, however, does align with the totalitarian playbook, as set forth in Orwell's 1984:

"Comparisons between Donald Trump's actions and George Orwell's 1984 are a feature of political commentary and analysis. Critics and commentators have highlighted several themes and behaviors from the Trump administration and campaigns that they argue echo elements of the Party's tactics in the novel, particularly concerning the manipulation of reality, truth, and historical records.

Manipulation of objective reality
"Rejecting the evidence of your eyes and ears": In a 2018 speech, Trump told an audience, "What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening". This was compared to a line from 1984 in which the Party demands citizens reject the evidence of their own senses.

"Alternative facts" and doublespeak: Following the 2017 presidential inauguration, Trump's counselor Kellyanne Conway defended false claims about crowd size by stating the administration was providing "alternative facts". Critics likened this phrase to the Party's doublespeak, a tactic that uses language to conceal or misrepresent the truth.

Persistent denial of facts: Analysts argue that Trump's "blatant disregard for the truth" and his repeated assertions of falsehoods, despite evidence to the contrary, serve to create an environment where reality is pliable and can be bent to serve his political agenda.

Control of information and the press
"Ministry of Truth" and "fake news": Critics have compared Trump's labeling of unfavorable press coverage as "fake news" to the Party's Ministry of Truth, which fabricates and censors information to align with the Party's narrative. The goal is seen as discrediting any news that questions or criticizes the administration.

Attacking the media as "the enemy of the people": Trump's frequent attacks on journalists and media outlets have been described as mirroring the Party's demonization of dissent. Like the Party, this tactic is seen by critics as an attempt to erode public trust in independent sources of information.

Control over history
Rewriting historical narratives: Some commentators have argued that efforts by the Trump administration to promote a revisionist version of American history, such as initiatives focused on "Americanism" in historical institutions, echo the Party's manipulation of the past. This includes attempting to purge narratives considered "divisive" or "partisan".

The "Memory Hole": Similar to the "memory hole" used in 1984 to destroy contradictory records, the Trump administration has been accused of attempting to remove or alter official historical accounts. Examples cited include removing information from government websites.

Loyalty and power
Absolute control and loyalty: Comparisons have been drawn between Trump's demand for "complete and unchecked loyalty" from individuals and institutions and the Party's quest for absolute power. Actions such as attacking judges or government agencies that defy him are cited as examples of this dynamic.

Endless campaigning and conflict: A key aspect of the Party's control in 1984 is the state of perpetual conflict and propaganda. Some analysts have likened Trump's relentless campaigning and focus on "victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations" to this constant state of ideological warfare."
AI Overview

* I have read 1984 three times and keep current on Trump's actions. This AI Overview is accurate. Why spend more than 10 seconds researching and drafting an essay the some MAGA or MAGA apologist will think he countered with a couple of smug, flippant comments it took him 10 seconds to generate?

Gee, and here I thiought I was responding to Hitler references.

Weil I know where you are going on this with Orwell, so let me also quote AI:

"Comparing Donald Trump's political actions and rhetoric to George Orwell's novel1984 is a common subject of commentary and analysis, particularly by critics who see similarities between the administration's methods and the novel's themes. No credible sources suggest that Trump consciously uses 1984 as a guidebook. Instead, the comparisons focus on alleged parallels, with proponents arguing Trump is "Orwellian," while supporters and others may disagree with these interpretations."

I can certainly see some parallels with Trump, but I can even see parallel's on this thread. Hell just look the repeated garbage claim about Trump defunding the police.

The DC Mayor sure got a good lesson in loyalty over power and alternate facts from her party.



Lol.

I think I know how we can resolve this!





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bearister said:

"Gee, and here I thiought I was responding to Hitler references."

Hitler was a fan of totalitarianism. Just because Trump isn't Hitler, doesn't mean he isn't a dangerous fan of totalitarianism.


"No credible sources suggest that Trump consciously uses 1984 as a guidebook."

Trump couldn't consciously do anything based on a book. I don't think totalitarians throughout history read books about each other and got tips. They shared personality traits which caused them to gravitate to the same strategies and behaviors, you know, more of an all assh@les think alike situation.

I already conceded your point that the Governor overplayed his hand on the significance of the dent Trump made on local policing by cutting grants. I still agree with the position that mobilizing National Guard units in American cities like Trump is doing is unprecedented and alarming.

Perhaps I will become convinced that he is not doing so to bully his political enemies when he sends National Guard units, uninvited, into Memphis and Nashville; Houston; Little Rock, Ark.; Salt Lake City; and Shreveport La., all have crime rates comparable to Washington's, according to F.B.I. statistics.





Boom. Score another point for Bearister!
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tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

Trump's playbook, however, does align with the totalitarian playbook, as set forth in Orwell's 1984:
See, Thought Police and the Biden Admin's manipulation of social media to silence those with differing, unapproved messages. Just like the current fascination with Trump's supposed decline after denying and excusing and even accepting Biden's decline, this stuff demonstrates a lot of chutzpah. The Left has ZERO credibility in these spaces.


-1 point for the "not a Nazi" as the packed cattle cars passed by and he stood silently, pissed that the crossing guard was down and he couldn't go about his day.
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tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

"Gee, and here I thiought I was responding to Hitler references."

Hitler was a fan of totalitarianism. Just because Trump isn't Hitler, doesn't mean he isn't a dangerous fan of totalitarianism.


"No credible sources suggest that Trump consciously uses 1984 as a guidebook."

Trump couldn't consciously do anything based on a book. I don't think totalitarians throughout history read books about each other and got tips. They shared personality traits which caused them to gravitate to the same strategies and behaviors, you know, more of an all assh@les think alike situation.

I already conceded your point that the Governor overplayed his hand on the significance of the dent Trump made on local policing by cutting grants. I still agree with the position that mobilizing National Guard units in American cities like Trump is doing is unprecedented and alarming.

Perhaps I will become convinced that he is not doing so to bully his political enemies when he sends National Guard units, uninvited, into Memphis and Nashville; Houston; Little Rock, Ark.; Salt Lake City; and Shreveport La., all have crime rates comparable to Washington's, according to F.B.I. statistics.

Do you even see where you've headed? Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues; in the course of 4 or 5 posts a few of you have completely turned the focus to proving Trump is a totalitarian and Nazi.


Well, yes, naturally.
It always goes there, because that's what he is.
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bearister said:

"Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues;"

I assume you realize that one of strategies of MAGA is to always control the narrative.* If I was a Trumpist or Trump apologist (you know, someone too chickensh@it to admit even in an anonymous forum that they voted for Trump), I would also not want people focusing on Trump and his anti Democratic stomp through the landscape.

If people are dumb enough to believe that the shortcomings of the Democrats are not exponentially dwarfed by the actions of Trump, then I guess the nation will continue to get the government it deserves.

*Have you ever watched people in the Trump Administration when they grant an interview to a network other than Fox News? A question is posed that boxes them in. They then respond to a question that was never asked and they keep talking like they are reading a phone book until the reporter just moves on to the next question for a rinse and repeat. I saw Doug Burgum do it to Kaitlan Collins during an interview a few days ago. Not even those motherf@uckers want to own their sh@it.


Score another for the barrister.
Don't mess with lawyers with a water gun.
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concordtom said:

wifeisafurd said:

graguna said:

wifeisafurd said:

tequila4kapp said:

wifeisafurd said:

The big problem with the Democrats is they appear on the wrong side of a critical issue again, and condemning one of their own for reporting success against crime doesn't help. Instead it explains in so many ways why we are stuck with Trump.

Excellent post. I have repeatedly spoken to this on the board…could the Ds pull their heads out of their backsides for once? Some of this is SO obvious - like politics 101 - but they are SO blinded by TDS and SO beholden to their big donors with TDS that they just stay stuck in this world of being demonstrably wrong on core issues. And the irony is their political stupidity enables Trump. It is maybe the craziest thing ever in American politics.

An even better summary. And the legacy media perpetuate all this by continually allowing Trump to dominate the media and by alienating everyone through airing TDS commentary.

Did Gemans in the 1940's who didnt belong to the nazi party suffer from HDS? Is that what it was called back then when you didnt support killing jews? What should it be called in US now where you dont support raping underage girls?


Thanks for making our point.

Comparing Trump and by inference the Republican Party to Nazism is historically inaccurate and harmful. The Nazis orchestrated genocide in pursuit of racial purity, while the vast majority of Republicans and Trump, even those with hardline views, do not remotely align with such an ideology. Trump's own daughter and son in law are Jewish. If anyone is seemingly anti-semeitc these days, it is the left in the US.

And the similarities between the rise of Nazism and the rise of maga are extremely shakey. Most people can't take it or you seriously. We can and do criticize and protest Trump or other Presidents for that matter, but we cannot compare this to the orchestration of exterminating millions This exaggerated rhetoric, highly relevant especially on this site, trivializes the true horror of Nazism and makes the left seem disconnected from reality to people outside.

To the average Republican and the majority of voters in the last election, they're not a Nazi ,and neither is the guy they elected. It serves to make the left seem delusional and further affirm conservative seclusion and devotion to the right. And is certainly alienates people that are Dems or Independents as well. People like you are the problem and the reason why we have Trump as our President.







You are the one who doesn't get it (the compare to Hitler).




Trump and the GOIP are Nazis and yet the US voters keep electing them. Who really is the one that doesn't get it?
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wifeisafurd said:

concordtom said:

wifeisafurd said:

graguna said:

wifeisafurd said:

tequila4kapp said:

wifeisafurd said:

The big problem with the Democrats is they appear on the wrong side of a critical issue again, and condemning one of their own for reporting success against crime doesn't help. Instead it explains in so many ways why we are stuck with Trump.

Excellent post. I have repeatedly spoken to this on the board…could the Ds pull their heads out of their backsides for once? Some of this is SO obvious - like politics 101 - but they are SO blinded by TDS and SO beholden to their big donors with TDS that they just stay stuck in this world of being demonstrably wrong on core issues. And the irony is their political stupidity enables Trump. It is maybe the craziest thing ever in American politics.

An even better summary. And the legacy media perpetuate all this by continually allowing Trump to dominate the media and by alienating everyone through airing TDS commentary.

Did Gemans in the 1940's who didnt belong to the nazi party suffer from HDS? Is that what it was called back then when you didnt support killing jews? What should it be called in US now where you dont support raping underage girls?


Thanks for making our point.

Comparing Trump and by inference the Republican Party to Nazism is historically inaccurate and harmful. The Nazis orchestrated genocide in pursuit of racial purity, while the vast majority of Republicans and Trump, even those with hardline views, do not remotely align with such an ideology. Trump's own daughter and son in law are Jewish. If anyone is seemingly anti-semeitc these days, it is the left in the US.

And the similarities between the rise of Nazism and the rise of maga are extremely shakey. Most people can't take it or you seriously. We can and do criticize and protest Trump or other Presidents for that matter, but we cannot compare this to the orchestration of exterminating millions This exaggerated rhetoric, highly relevant especially on this site, trivializes the true horror of Nazism and makes the left seem disconnected from reality to people outside.

To the average Republican and the majority of voters in the last election, they're not a Nazi ,and neither is the guy they elected. It serves to make the left seem delusional and further affirm conservative seclusion and devotion to the right. And is certainly alienates people that are Dems or Independents as well. People like you are the problem and the reason why we have Trump as our President.







You are the one who doesn't get it (the compare to Hitler).




Trump and the GOIP are Nazis and yet the US voters keep electing them. Who really is the one that doesn't get it?


Pfft!
That's just such a piss poor response.
I thought you were made of sturdier material.

There are so many examples throughout history that laugh in your face.




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Thread has totally gone down other random rabbit holes lol.
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
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Actually, this last point should be right up your alley, as a minority whose ancestors suffered immorality at the hands of others who used their might (either by sheer volume of majority population or by use of technological force) to justify their righteousness.

Here ya go:


The phrase "might makes right" was notably addressed during the Lincoln-Douglas Debates of 1858, a series of seven debates between Abraham Lincoln and Stephen A. Douglas during the Illinois Senate race. While neither candidate used the exact expression, their discussions centered on the moral and legal justifications for slavery, touching upon themes of power and justice.

In the Seventh Debate on October 13, 1858, Lincoln argued that the Democratic Party was conspiring to make slavery national and permanent. He emphasized that the issue was not just about the legality of slavery but about the moral principles underlying it. Lincoln contended that the Democratic Party's actions were driven by a desire to impose slavery through political power, rather than through moral right .

Douglas, on the other hand, advocated for popular sovereignty, the idea that the people of a territory should decide whether to permit slavery. He argued that the Supreme Court's Dred Scott decision had settled the question of slavery in the territories, and that the federal government had no authority to interfere .

While the exact phrase "might makes right" wasn't used, the debates highlighted the tension between power and morality in the context of slavery. Lincoln's position was that moral right should guide the use of power, whereas Douglas's stance reflected a belief in the legitimacy of decisions made by democratic processes, even if they upheld slavery.

For a deeper understanding of these debates, you might find the following documentary insightful:



Yes the concept "right makes might" has been explicitly invoked by thinkers, leaders, and writers to counter the "might makes right" idea, though it was not literally phrased in every historical debate.

Here's the context and examples:



1. William Penn (16441718)
Founder of Pennsylvania and advocate of Quaker principles.
Penn argued that true power derives from justice and moral authority, not force.
He often framed it as:
"Right makes might, and truth is stronger than violence."



2. Abraham Lincoln / Anti-Slavery Thought (mid-1800s)
While Lincoln didn't literally say "right makes might" in the Lincoln-Douglas debates, his speeches implied it:
In opposing the expansion of slavery, he argued that moral justice and the principles of human freedom should guide law and policy.
Lincoln emphasized that legitimacy and lasting success in governance flow from what is just, not merely what is powerful.



3. John Stuart Mill (18061873)
In On Liberty and other writings, Mill suggested that ethical principles, truth, and justice are the sources of durable social power, contrasting with brute force.
This aligns directly with the idea: "Right makes might."



4. Modern Usage
Martin Luther King Jr.:
"Power without love is reckless and abusive, and love without power is sentimental and anemic."

Implicitly, moral right (justice, love) must guide the use of power for it to be legitimate and lasting.
Political philosophy often contrasts:
Might makes right dominance through force, often temporary.
Right makes might power grounded in justice, legitimacy, and moral authority, which endures.



Summary:
The phrase "right makes might" is older than the 19th century, appearing in Quaker and Enlightenment writings.
Lincoln and other anti-slavery thinkers expressed the concept even if not the exact wording: that justice and moral correctness provide the strongest foundation for lasting power.

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Uhhh umm kinda but not quite but I see where you are coming from.

My angle was Black skinned demoncrat praising trump is a wash nothing more than propaganda 1 acceleration of the police state 2
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
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I don't think the move to AI helped there.

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If anyone thinks this is about fighting crime, I have some pristine beachfront property for you in Oklahoma.

By the way, when are the Epstein files being released?
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The #1 City with the highest rate of crime per 100,000 people is MEMPHIS.

Tennessee voted overwhelmingly for Trump (64.2% to 34.5%)
Trump received 1.96 million Tennessee votes, which was a record for votes cast for any candidate in the state's history.

Will Trump be sending the National Guard into Memphis soon?

Asking for a friend.


Top 10 highest crime rate cities as Donald Trump eyes federal intervention
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DiabloWags said:

The #1 City with the highest rate of crime per 100,000 people is MEMPHIS.

Tennessee voted overwhelmingly for Trump (64.2% to 34.5%)
Trump received 1.96 million Tennessee votes, which was a record for votes cast for any candidate in the state's history.

Will Trump be sending the National Guard into Memphis soon?

Asking for a friend.


Top 10 highest crime rate cities as Donald Trump eyes federal intervention



If he does, it won't be in the white parts of town.
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It's not just me and my merry band of brainwashed TDS victims. Even Mitch McConnell compares today to the 1930's.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mcconnell-certain-similarities-now-30s-235806612.html
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Well well well
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
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bearister said:

"Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues;"

I assume you realize that one of strategies of MAGA is to always control the narrative.* If I was a Trumpist or Trump apologist (you know, someone too chickensh@it to admit even in an anonymous forum that they voted for Trump), I would also not want people focusing on Trump and his anti Democratic stomp through the landscape.

In the context of this thread and as a specific response to my prior post this statement is absolutely hilarious for its irony.
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If people are dumb enough to believe that the shortcomings of the Democrats are not exponentially dwarfed by the actions of Trump, then I guess the nation will continue to get the government it deserves.

If you and other D's could ever - EVER - get past your TDS and look past your noses for just once you might see that a lot of people that get labeled MAGA here on the OT board are fundamentally saying we don't like Trump but we like his position on the issues WAY more than the alternative. And some of us even root for the D party to pull its head out of its collective ass to change its policies. What WIFA and I have fundamentally been saying is that if D's could ever do this then you guys wouldn't have to worry about Trump. But there's an element here that just cannot ever get past the Pavlovian TDS responses. To wit - AGAIN - if D's could ever just learn and adjust you wouldn't have to justify yourself with "But Trumpisms" because he would be defeated at the ballot box.
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Gee, kinda sounds like RFK Jr knew Trump was coming when he visited Cal in 2005.
Or was he only comparing Bush/Chaney to Nazis?


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tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

"Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues;"

I assume you realize that one of strategies of MAGA is to always control the narrative.* If I was a Trumpist or Trump apologist (you know, someone too chickensh@it to admit even in an anonymous forum that they voted for Trump), I would also not want people focusing on Trump and his anti Democratic stomp through the landscape.

In the context of this thread and as a specific response to my prior post this statement is absolutely hilarious for its irony.
Quote:

If people are dumb enough to believe that the shortcomings of the Democrats are not exponentially dwarfed by the actions of Trump, then I guess the nation will continue to get the government it deserves.

If you and other D's could ever - EVER - get past your TDS and look past your noses for just once you might see that a lot of people that get labeled MAGA here on the OT board are fundamentally saying we don't like Trump but we like his position on the issues WAY more than the alternative. And some of us even root for the D party to pull its head out of its collective ass to change its policies. What WIFA and I have fundamentally been saying is that if D's could ever do this then you guys wouldn't have to worry about Trump. But there's an element here that just cannot ever get past the Pavlovian TDS responses. To wit - AGAIN - if D's could ever just learn and adjust you wouldn't have to justify yourself with "But Trumpisms" because he would be defeated at the ballot box.



So, you're saying you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean, no search warrant, no warning, no arrest, no search and seizure, no trial - not even identifying who was in the boat?

Or is it just because D's (you know, "them", "those" people over there, not like "me" and "my" people - D and Dems mean "the others") have their heads up their asses that you won't speak bad about Trump?
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concordtom said:



So, you're saying you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean, no search warrant, no warning, no arrest, no search and seizure, no trial - not even identifying who was in the boat?

Or is it just because D's (you know, "them", "those" people over there, not like "me" and "my" people - D and Dems mean "the others") have their heads up their asses that you won't speak bad about Trump?

Thank you for asking. Sincerely.

What I am saying is that the average person - say, swing voters who decide elections - do not care about the legal status of people transporting loads of drugs in a boat on the open seas in the middle of the night; they don't care about "person vs. citizen" when it comes to murderers, rapists, human traffickers and drug dealers, people who are here illegally; etc, etc, etc.. They don't care because they care about their own well being more. So if I was in charge of the Democratic party I would change myself. To try to say it more clearly, Trump is winning on virtually every issue; D's are *****ing about his execution of policies. The person who is aligned with swing voters on the merits of the issues will always win.
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tequila4kapp said:

If you and other D's could ever - EVER - get past your TDS and look past your noses for just once you might see that a lot of people that get labeled MAGA here on the OT board are fundamentally saying we don't like Trump but we like his position on the issues WAY more than the alternative. And some of us even root for the D party to pull its head out of its collective ass to change its policies. What WIFA and I have fundamentally been saying is that if D's could ever do this then you guys wouldn't have to worry about Trump. But there's an element here that just cannot ever get past the Pavlovian TDS responses. To wit - AGAIN - if D's could ever just learn and adjust you wouldn't have to justify yourself with "But Trumpisms" because he would be defeated at the ballot box.


So -- and this is just an open question -- are you another Cal poster who (like Bill Maher) says the main problem is not Trump per se, but rather that "the left is too woke?

Forgive me in advance if I asked a rhetorical question ....
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OsoDorado said:

So -- and this is just an open question -- are you another Cal poster who (like Bill Maher) says the main problem is not Trump per se, but rather that "the left is too woke?

Forgive me in advance if I asked a rhetorical question ....

I would say something closer to Trump is a problem AND the D party is too woke.
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concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

"Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues;"

I assume you realize that one of strategies of MAGA is to always control the narrative.* If I was a Trumpist or Trump apologist (you know, someone too chickensh@it to admit even in an anonymous forum that they voted for Trump), I would also not want people focusing on Trump and his anti Democratic stomp through the landscape.

In the context of this thread and as a specific response to my prior post this statement is absolutely hilarious for its irony.
Quote:

If people are dumb enough to believe that the shortcomings of the Democrats are not exponentially dwarfed by the actions of Trump, then I guess the nation will continue to get the government it deserves.

If you and other D's could ever - EVER - get past your TDS and look past your noses for just once you might see that a lot of people that get labeled MAGA here on the OT board are fundamentally saying we don't like Trump but we like his position on the issues WAY more than the alternative. And some of us even root for the D party to pull its head out of its collective ass to change its policies. What WIFA and I have fundamentally been saying is that if D's could ever do this then you guys wouldn't have to worry about Trump. But there's an element here that just cannot ever get past the Pavlovian TDS responses. To wit - AGAIN - if D's could ever just learn and adjust you wouldn't have to justify yourself with "But Trumpisms" because he would be defeated at the ballot box.



So, you're saying you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean, no search warrant, no warning, no arrest, no search and seizure, no trial - not even identifying who was in the boat?

Or is it just because D's (you know, "them", "those" people over there, not like "me" and "my" people - D and Dems mean "the others") have their heads up their asses that you won't speak bad about Trump?


Extrajudicial assassinations have been common since 9/11 under multiple administrations
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tequila4kapp said:

concordtom said:



So, you're saying you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean, no search warrant, no warning, no arrest, no search and seizure, no trial - not even identifying who was in the boat?

Or is it just because D's (you know, "them", "those" people over there, not like "me" and "my" people - D and Dems mean "the others") have their heads up their asses that you won't speak bad about Trump?

Thank you for asking. Sincerely.

What I am saying is that the average person - say, swing voters who decide elections - do not care about the legal status of people transporting loads of drugs in a boat on the open seas in the middle of the night; they don't care about "person vs. citizen" when it comes to murderers, rapists, human traffickers and drug dealers, people who are here illegally; etc, etc, etc.. They don't care because they care about their own well being more. So if I was in charge of the Democratic party I would change myself. To try to say it more clearly, Trump is winning on virtually every issue; D's are *****ing about his execution of policies. The person who is aligned with swing voters on the merits of the issues will always win.

So, are do you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean?
Sounds like the answer is YES.
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tequila4kapp said:

OsoDorado said:

So -- and this is just an open question -- are you another Cal poster who (like Bill Maher) says the main problem is not Trump per se, but rather that "the left is too woke?

Forgive me in advance if I asked a rhetorical question ....

I would say something closer to Trump is a problem AND the D party is too woke.

And in the face of the D party being "too woke" as you say, you are in favor of blowing up boats in the ocean with people who have been given zero due process.
Ha - so disgusting and laughable how you rationalize yourself.
Trump is a pig. He is not "winning" on issues. He is wrecking the issues.

Hitler was "winning", unless he lost.
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Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

"Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues;"

I assume you realize that one of strategies of MAGA is to always control the narrative.* If I was a Trumpist or Trump apologist (you know, someone too chickensh@it to admit even in an anonymous forum that they voted for Trump), I would also not want people focusing on Trump and his anti Democratic stomp through the landscape.

In the context of this thread and as a specific response to my prior post this statement is absolutely hilarious for its irony.
Quote:

If people are dumb enough to believe that the shortcomings of the Democrats are not exponentially dwarfed by the actions of Trump, then I guess the nation will continue to get the government it deserves.

If you and other D's could ever - EVER - get past your TDS and look past your noses for just once you might see that a lot of people that get labeled MAGA here on the OT board are fundamentally saying we don't like Trump but we like his position on the issues WAY more than the alternative. And some of us even root for the D party to pull its head out of its collective ass to change its policies. What WIFA and I have fundamentally been saying is that if D's could ever do this then you guys wouldn't have to worry about Trump. But there's an element here that just cannot ever get past the Pavlovian TDS responses. To wit - AGAIN - if D's could ever just learn and adjust you wouldn't have to justify yourself with "But Trumpisms" because he would be defeated at the ballot box.



So, you're saying you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean, no search warrant, no warning, no arrest, no search and seizure, no trial - not even identifying who was in the boat?

Or is it just because D's (you know, "them", "those" people over there, not like "me" and "my" people - D and Dems mean "the others") have their heads up their asses that you won't speak bad about Trump?


Extrajudicial assassinations have been common since 9/11 under multiple administrations

Oh, gee, I guess it's okay, then.

Make sure you duck when others decide YOU are their target.
And how ironic - by your name you are for anarchy, no government, but it's the presence of a government with laws that are respected that brings us a civil civilization. So, you want the central govt to decide these extrajudicial assassinations, or you prefer the anyman gets to decide?
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concordtom said:

Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

"Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues;"

I assume you realize that one of strategies of MAGA is to always control the narrative.* If I was a Trumpist or Trump apologist (you know, someone too chickensh@it to admit even in an anonymous forum that they voted for Trump), I would also not want people focusing on Trump and his anti Democratic stomp through the landscape.

In the context of this thread and as a specific response to my prior post this statement is absolutely hilarious for its irony.
Quote:

If people are dumb enough to believe that the shortcomings of the Democrats are not exponentially dwarfed by the actions of Trump, then I guess the nation will continue to get the government it deserves.

If you and other D's could ever - EVER - get past your TDS and look past your noses for just once you might see that a lot of people that get labeled MAGA here on the OT board are fundamentally saying we don't like Trump but we like his position on the issues WAY more than the alternative. And some of us even root for the D party to pull its head out of its collective ass to change its policies. What WIFA and I have fundamentally been saying is that if D's could ever do this then you guys wouldn't have to worry about Trump. But there's an element here that just cannot ever get past the Pavlovian TDS responses. To wit - AGAIN - if D's could ever just learn and adjust you wouldn't have to justify yourself with "But Trumpisms" because he would be defeated at the ballot box.



So, you're saying you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean, no search warrant, no warning, no arrest, no search and seizure, no trial - not even identifying who was in the boat?

Or is it just because D's (you know, "them", "those" people over there, not like "me" and "my" people - D and Dems mean "the others") have their heads up their asses that you won't speak bad about Trump?


Extrajudicial assassinations have been common since 9/11 under multiple administrations

Oh, gee, I guess it's okay, then.

Make sure you duck when others decide YOU are their target.
And how ironic - by your name you are for anarchy, no government, but it's the presence of a government with laws that are respected that brings us a civil civilization. So, you want the central govt to decide these extrajudicial assassinations, or you prefer the anyman gets to decide?


Tom, can't you just send flowers to your murdering and raping buddies at Tren de Aragua and move on?
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concordtom said:

Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

"Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues;"

I assume you realize that one of strategies of MAGA is to always control the narrative.* If I was a Trumpist or Trump apologist (you know, someone too chickensh@it to admit even in an anonymous forum that they voted for Trump), I would also not want people focusing on Trump and his anti Democratic stomp through the landscape.

In the context of this thread and as a specific response to my prior post this statement is absolutely hilarious for its irony.
Quote:

If people are dumb enough to believe that the shortcomings of the Democrats are not exponentially dwarfed by the actions of Trump, then I guess the nation will continue to get the government it deserves.

If you and other D's could ever - EVER - get past your TDS and look past your noses for just once you might see that a lot of people that get labeled MAGA here on the OT board are fundamentally saying we don't like Trump but we like his position on the issues WAY more than the alternative. And some of us even root for the D party to pull its head out of its collective ass to change its policies. What WIFA and I have fundamentally been saying is that if D's could ever do this then you guys wouldn't have to worry about Trump. But there's an element here that just cannot ever get past the Pavlovian TDS responses. To wit - AGAIN - if D's could ever just learn and adjust you wouldn't have to justify yourself with "But Trumpisms" because he would be defeated at the ballot box.



So, you're saying you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean, no search warrant, no warning, no arrest, no search and seizure, no trial - not even identifying who was in the boat?

Or is it just because D's (you know, "them", "those" people over there, not like "me" and "my" people - D and Dems mean "the others") have their heads up their asses that you won't speak bad about Trump?


Extrajudicial assassinations have been common since 9/11 under multiple administrations

Oh, gee, I guess it's okay, then.

Make sure you duck when others decide YOU are their target.
And how ironic - by your name you are for anarchy, no government, but it's the presence of a government with laws that are respected that brings us a civil civilization. So, you want the central govt to decide these extrajudicial assassinations, or you prefer the anyman gets to decide?


You seem confused

Since 9/11 the US government has participated in assasinations, torture, domestic spying, rendition without due process, all egregious violations of civil liberties. But to you this is a presence of a "government with laws that are respected." No, it's not.

Again the only thing that bothers you about this- unless you've been living in a cave- is Trump

And yes, I'll take my chances with anyone before a government and it's fake judicial system
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Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

"Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues;"

I assume you realize that one of strategies of MAGA is to always control the narrative.* If I was a Trumpist or Trump apologist (you know, someone too chickensh@it to admit even in an anonymous forum that they voted for Trump), I would also not want people focusing on Trump and his anti Democratic stomp through the landscape.

In the context of this thread and as a specific response to my prior post this statement is absolutely hilarious for its irony.
Quote:

If people are dumb enough to believe that the shortcomings of the Democrats are not exponentially dwarfed by the actions of Trump, then I guess the nation will continue to get the government it deserves.

If you and other D's could ever - EVER - get past your TDS and look past your noses for just once you might see that a lot of people that get labeled MAGA here on the OT board are fundamentally saying we don't like Trump but we like his position on the issues WAY more than the alternative. And some of us even root for the D party to pull its head out of its collective ass to change its policies. What WIFA and I have fundamentally been saying is that if D's could ever do this then you guys wouldn't have to worry about Trump. But there's an element here that just cannot ever get past the Pavlovian TDS responses. To wit - AGAIN - if D's could ever just learn and adjust you wouldn't have to justify yourself with "But Trumpisms" because he would be defeated at the ballot box.



So, you're saying you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean, no search warrant, no warning, no arrest, no search and seizure, no trial - not even identifying who was in the boat?

Or is it just because D's (you know, "them", "those" people over there, not like "me" and "my" people - D and Dems mean "the others") have their heads up their asses that you won't speak bad about Trump?


Extrajudicial assassinations have been common since 9/11 under multiple administrations

Oh, gee, I guess it's okay, then.

Make sure you duck when others decide YOU are their target.
And how ironic - by your name you are for anarchy, no government, but it's the presence of a government with laws that are respected that brings us a civil civilization. So, you want the central govt to decide these extrajudicial assassinations, or you prefer the anyman gets to decide?


You seem confused

Since 9/11 the US government has participated in assasinations, torture, domestic spying, rendition without due process, all egregious violations of civil liberties. But to you this is a presence of a "government with laws that are respected." No, it's not.

Again the only thing that bothers you about this- unless you've been living in a cave- is Trump

And yes, I'll take my chances with anyone before a government and it's fake judicial system

1) it's only going to get worse under trump
2) back to the wild days when people desired a govt.
There's a reason why Anarchy is a form of government exactly nowhere where there are sizable populations of humans.
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concordtom said:

Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

"Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues;"

I assume you realize that one of strategies of MAGA is to always control the narrative.* If I was a Trumpist or Trump apologist (you know, someone too chickensh@it to admit even in an anonymous forum that they voted for Trump), I would also not want people focusing on Trump and his anti Democratic stomp through the landscape.

In the context of this thread and as a specific response to my prior post this statement is absolutely hilarious for its irony.
Quote:

If people are dumb enough to believe that the shortcomings of the Democrats are not exponentially dwarfed by the actions of Trump, then I guess the nation will continue to get the government it deserves.

If you and other D's could ever - EVER - get past your TDS and look past your noses for just once you might see that a lot of people that get labeled MAGA here on the OT board are fundamentally saying we don't like Trump but we like his position on the issues WAY more than the alternative. And some of us even root for the D party to pull its head out of its collective ass to change its policies. What WIFA and I have fundamentally been saying is that if D's could ever do this then you guys wouldn't have to worry about Trump. But there's an element here that just cannot ever get past the Pavlovian TDS responses. To wit - AGAIN - if D's could ever just learn and adjust you wouldn't have to justify yourself with "But Trumpisms" because he would be defeated at the ballot box.



So, you're saying you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean, no search warrant, no warning, no arrest, no search and seizure, no trial - not even identifying who was in the boat?

Or is it just because D's (you know, "them", "those" people over there, not like "me" and "my" people - D and Dems mean "the others") have their heads up their asses that you won't speak bad about Trump?


Extrajudicial assassinations have been common since 9/11 under multiple administrations

Oh, gee, I guess it's okay, then.

Make sure you duck when others decide YOU are their target.
And how ironic - by your name you are for anarchy, no government, but it's the presence of a government with laws that are respected that brings us a civil civilization. So, you want the central govt to decide these extrajudicial assassinations, or you prefer the anyman gets to decide?


You seem confused

Since 9/11 the US government has participated in assasinations, torture, domestic spying, rendition without due process, all egregious violations of civil liberties. But to you this is a presence of a "government with laws that are respected." No, it's not.

Again the only thing that bothers you about this- unless you've been living in a cave- is Trump

And yes, I'll take my chances with anyone before a government and it's fake judicial system

1) it's only going to get worse under trump
2) back to the wild days when people desired a govt.
There's a reason why Anarchy is a form of government exactly nowhere where there are sizable populations of humans.



Your government did this. Your highest court sanctions it as part of "official duties."

When are you going to wake up?
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Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

"Two of us were commenting how the left needs to quit focusing on Trump and instead focus on issues;"

I assume you realize that one of strategies of MAGA is to always control the narrative.* If I was a Trumpist or Trump apologist (you know, someone too chickensh@it to admit even in an anonymous forum that they voted for Trump), I would also not want people focusing on Trump and his anti Democratic stomp through the landscape.

In the context of this thread and as a specific response to my prior post this statement is absolutely hilarious for its irony.
Quote:

If people are dumb enough to believe that the shortcomings of the Democrats are not exponentially dwarfed by the actions of Trump, then I guess the nation will continue to get the government it deserves.

If you and other D's could ever - EVER - get past your TDS and look past your noses for just once you might see that a lot of people that get labeled MAGA here on the OT board are fundamentally saying we don't like Trump but we like his position on the issues WAY more than the alternative. And some of us even root for the D party to pull its head out of its collective ass to change its policies. What WIFA and I have fundamentally been saying is that if D's could ever do this then you guys wouldn't have to worry about Trump. But there's an element here that just cannot ever get past the Pavlovian TDS responses. To wit - AGAIN - if D's could ever just learn and adjust you wouldn't have to justify yourself with "But Trumpisms" because he would be defeated at the ballot box.



So, you're saying you support USA rockets blowing up boats of people in the ocean, no search warrant, no warning, no arrest, no search and seizure, no trial - not even identifying who was in the boat?

Or is it just because D's (you know, "them", "those" people over there, not like "me" and "my" people - D and Dems mean "the others") have their heads up their asses that you won't speak bad about Trump?


Extrajudicial assassinations have been common since 9/11 under multiple administrations

Oh, gee, I guess it's okay, then.

Make sure you duck when others decide YOU are their target.
And how ironic - by your name you are for anarchy, no government, but it's the presence of a government with laws that are respected that brings us a civil civilization. So, you want the central govt to decide these extrajudicial assassinations, or you prefer the anyman gets to decide?


You seem confused

Since 9/11 the US government has participated in assasinations, torture, domestic spying, rendition without due process, all egregious violations of civil liberties. But to you this is a presence of a "government with laws that are respected." No, it's not.

Again the only thing that bothers you about this- unless you've been living in a cave- is Trump

And yes, I'll take my chances with anyone before a government and it's fake judicial system

1) it's only going to get worse under trump
2) back to the wild days when people desired a govt.
There's a reason why Anarchy is a form of government exactly nowhere where there are sizable populations of humans.



Your government did this. Your highest court sanctions it as part of "official duties."

When are you going to wake up?

Ha ha!
Yo, I'm already WOKE.
I'm just trying to get all the other idiots here to Wake Up. They are the ones who voted this clown in!

The answer to their idiocy is not to promote ANARCHY.
Geez.
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DiabloWags said:

The #1 City with the highest rate of crime per 100,000 people is MEMPHIS.

Tennessee voted overwhelmingly for Trump (64.2% to 34.5%)
Trump received 1.96 million Tennessee votes, which was a record for votes cast for any candidate in the state's history.

Will Trump be sending the National Guard into Memphis soon?

Asking for a friend.


Top 10 highest crime rate cities as Donald Trump eyes federal intervention


Paul Young, the mayor of Memphis, is a Democrat.
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