Wow! Watch this conformity experiment. Actors stand on a beep, pressuring an unwitting woman to follow. Alone, she continues, then influences newcomers. This shows how senseless rules spread like viruses. Think critically, don't be a sheep. pic.twitter.com/1Of0hl6bVz
— ꪻꫝể ꪻꫝể (@TheThe1776) September 21, 2025
HawaiiBear33 said:Wow! Watch this conformity experiment. Actors stand on a beep, pressuring an unwitting woman to follow. Alone, she continues, then influences newcomers. This shows how senseless rules spread like viruses. Think critically, don't be a sheep. pic.twitter.com/1Of0hl6bVz
— ꪻꫝể ꪻꫝể (@TheThe1776) September 21, 2025
Whichever side you are on this explains the other.
Or if you want to learn use this to introspect…regardless of which side you are on
ACC Bear said:HawaiiBear33 said:Wow! Watch this conformity experiment. Actors stand on a beep, pressuring an unwitting woman to follow. Alone, she continues, then influences newcomers. This shows how senseless rules spread like viruses. Think critically, don't be a sheep. pic.twitter.com/1Of0hl6bVz
— ꪻꫝể ꪻꫝể (@TheThe1776) September 21, 2025
Whichever side you are on this explains the other.
Or if you want to learn use this to introspect…regardless of which side you are on
This forum has a lot of conformists.
Cal88 said:
Just an observation about the title of this thread, both sides are just as prone to tribal conformity dynamics, you see it for example in how many Trump supporters are now doing a 180 and writing off the Jeffrey Epstein affair, or being all in on the Gaza genocide.
HawaiiBear33 said:
Jan 6 was no insurrection
I watched these videos and they show nothing
I watched videos you posted long ago that showed almost no violence. Go back and look at them
Ashli Babbit was murdered and 5 people were very likely suicided by the left
Now that it's safe for them to speak the truth…
https://www.disclose.tv/id/4vjbepcli3/
socaltownie said:
I think the FAR more interesting issue is that we are now in an era were "truth" and "facts" are essentially impossible to agree upon.
This becomes a problem because liberal democracy is premised on the idea that there are shared facts. ("If we dam the river we can irrigate the fields. Now we have to determine how to pay for it and deal with any consequences"). But if people do not agree that damming the river allows irrigation (or even that plants NEED irrigation....or that irrigation is actually a plot by pedophiles) than I fear that our politics is horrible stuck.
The conclusion of going all the way down the post-modern rabbit hole is that it will be raw power that imposes truth. It should come as no surprise that the greatest post-modern thinkers were French - who learned in their history that this is precisely what the Jacobins attempted to do.
And you actually see it in spades on this forum (and why I often think it is time to leave and then get sucked in because it is a good excuse to write and work out my own thinking). Above you see how the same event yield radically different truths and (going all grad school) no one has an epistemological framework to "unstuck" us. To me that is actually what is MOST scary about the current time....that there is no pathway forward which lets us get at consensus about what is true. The likely result is is that truth will be imposed with raw political force (and no, this is not a knock on Trump...you could argue the same for the worst excesses of the left's efforts to make all of american history about race and that power would be exerted if you disagreed. I just think the right has taken this to scary scary levels because within the democratic party you had old fashioned pluralists and positivists who laughed at the cringing leftists with their shelves of all of Foucault's work. On the right the purges of the Bush establishment has really allowed the barbarians to swarm).
HawaiiBear33 said:Cal88 said:
Just an observation about the title of this thread, both sides are just as prone to tribal conformity dynamics, you see it for example in how many Trump supporters are now doing a 180 and writing off the Jeffrey Epstein affair, or being all in on the Gaza genocide.
Show my any Trump supporter writing it off. I've expressed dissatisfaction here that nothing came about.
Funny how the left ignores that Biden did even less
concordtom said:HawaiiBear33 said:
Jan 6 was no insurrection
I watched these videos and they show nothing
I watched videos you posted long ago that showed almost no violence. Go back and look at them
Ashli Babbit was murdered and 5 people were very likely suicided by the left
Now that it's safe for them to speak the truth…
https://www.disclose.tv/id/4vjbepcli3/
Are you part of the crowd that thinks the moon landing was staged?
It's really maddening to read you guys time and again claim falsehoods, but I think that's your goal - to just piss people off.
Thousands of MAGA supporters marched to the Capitol and confronted thousands of cops.
While it's true that they fired no guns, it's also true that they pushed cops out of the way, hit them with sticks and poles. They tased cops either their own guns, and threatened to kill them. They smashed windows
They chanted deadly chants and ransacked the building, spreading feces.
Staffers locked themselves into closets or rooms and feared death.
Senators ran away from the angry mob.
That's "violence". And the political stakes were high. This was because of things Trump et al said on stage.
If you'd like to argue that was not an insurrection then please provide definition of "insurrection".
and that, itself, is an established lie.ACC Bear said:socaltownie said:
I think the FAR more interesting issue is that we are now in an era were "truth" and "facts" are essentially impossible to agree upon.
This becomes a problem because liberal democracy is premised on the idea that there are shared facts. ("If we dam the river we can irrigate the fields. Now we have to determine how to pay for it and deal with any consequences"). But if people do not agree that damming the river allows irrigation (or even that plants NEED irrigation....or that irrigation is actually a plot by pedophiles) than I fear that our politics is horrible stuck.
The conclusion of going all the way down the post-modern rabbit hole is that it will be raw power that imposes truth. It should come as no surprise that the greatest post-modern thinkers were French - who learned in their history that this is precisely what the Jacobins attempted to do.
And you actually see it in spades on this forum (and why I often think it is time to leave and then get sucked in because it is a good excuse to write and work out my own thinking). Above you see how the same event yield radically different truths and (going all grad school) no one has an epistemological framework to "unstuck" us. To me that is actually what is MOST scary about the current time....that there is no pathway forward which lets us get at consensus about what is true. The likely result is is that truth will be imposed with raw political force (and no, this is not a knock on Trump...you could argue the same for the worst excesses of the left's efforts to make all of american history about race and that power would be exerted if you disagreed. I just think the right has taken this to scary scary levels because within the democratic party you had old fashioned pluralists and positivists who laughed at the cringing leftists with their shelves of all of Foucault's work. On the right the purges of the Bush establishment has really allowed the barbarians to swarm).
A big reason Trump is President is because Democrat asserted "shared facts" were in fact establishment lies.
BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:HawaiiBear33 said:
Jan 6 was no insurrection
I watched these videos and they show nothing
I watched videos you posted long ago that showed almost no violence. Go back and look at them
Ashli Babbit was murdered and 5 people were very likely suicided by the left
Now that it's safe for them to speak the truth…
https://www.disclose.tv/id/4vjbepcli3/
Are you part of the crowd that thinks the moon landing was staged?
It's really maddening to read you guys time and again claim falsehoods, but I think that's your goal - to just piss people off.
Thousands of MAGA supporters marched to the Capitol and confronted thousands of cops.
While it's true that they fired no guns, it's also true that they pushed cops out of the way, hit them with sticks and poles. They tased cops either their own guns, and threatened to kill them. They smashed windows
They chanted deadly chants and ransacked the building, spreading feces.
Staffers locked themselves into closets or rooms and feared death.
Senators ran away from the angry mob.
That's "violence". And the political stakes were high. This was because of things Trump et al said on stage.
If you'd like to argue that was not an insurrection then please provide definition of "insurrection".
Don't you think they would have brought guns if it was really an insurrection?
BearlySane88 said:
Don't you think they would have brought guns if it was really an insurrection?
concordtom said:and that, itself, is an established lie.ACC Bear said:socaltownie said:
I think the FAR more interesting issue is that we are now in an era were "truth" and "facts" are essentially impossible to agree upon.
This becomes a problem because liberal democracy is premised on the idea that there are shared facts. ("If we dam the river we can irrigate the fields. Now we have to determine how to pay for it and deal with any consequences"). But if people do not agree that damming the river allows irrigation (or even that plants NEED irrigation....or that irrigation is actually a plot by pedophiles) than I fear that our politics is horrible stuck.
The conclusion of going all the way down the post-modern rabbit hole is that it will be raw power that imposes truth. It should come as no surprise that the greatest post-modern thinkers were French - who learned in their history that this is precisely what the Jacobins attempted to do.
And you actually see it in spades on this forum (and why I often think it is time to leave and then get sucked in because it is a good excuse to write and work out my own thinking). Above you see how the same event yield radically different truths and (going all grad school) no one has an epistemological framework to "unstuck" us. To me that is actually what is MOST scary about the current time....that there is no pathway forward which lets us get at consensus about what is true. The likely result is is that truth will be imposed with raw political force (and no, this is not a knock on Trump...you could argue the same for the worst excesses of the left's efforts to make all of american history about race and that power would be exerted if you disagreed. I just think the right has taken this to scary scary levels because within the democratic party you had old fashioned pluralists and positivists who laughed at the cringing leftists with their shelves of all of Foucault's work. On the right the purges of the Bush establishment has really allowed the barbarians to swarm).
A big reason Trump is President is because Democrat asserted "shared facts" were in fact establishment lies.
concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:HawaiiBear33 said:
Jan 6 was no insurrection
I watched these videos and they show nothing
I watched videos you posted long ago that showed almost no violence. Go back and look at them
Ashli Babbit was murdered and 5 people were very likely suicided by the left
Now that it's safe for them to speak the truth…
https://www.disclose.tv/id/4vjbepcli3/
Are you part of the crowd that thinks the moon landing was staged?
It's really maddening to read you guys time and again claim falsehoods, but I think that's your goal - to just piss people off.
Thousands of MAGA supporters marched to the Capitol and confronted thousands of cops.
While it's true that they fired no guns, it's also true that they pushed cops out of the way, hit them with sticks and poles. They tased cops either their own guns, and threatened to kill them. They smashed windows
They chanted deadly chants and ransacked the building, spreading feces.
Staffers locked themselves into closets or rooms and feared death.
Senators ran away from the angry mob.
That's "violence". And the political stakes were high. This was because of things Trump et al said on stage.
If you'd like to argue that was not an insurrection then please provide definition of "insurrection".
Don't you think they would have brought guns if it was really an insurrection?
Oh, is that on the books?
It can only be an insurrection if you show up with guns.
concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:
Don't you think they would have brought guns if it was really an insurrection?
How did they overthrow kingdoms before the invention of firearms?
Ro Sham Bo.
BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:and that, itself, is an established lie.ACC Bear said:socaltownie said:
I think the FAR more interesting issue is that we are now in an era were "truth" and "facts" are essentially impossible to agree upon.
This becomes a problem because liberal democracy is premised on the idea that there are shared facts. ("If we dam the river we can irrigate the fields. Now we have to determine how to pay for it and deal with any consequences"). But if people do not agree that damming the river allows irrigation (or even that plants NEED irrigation....or that irrigation is actually a plot by pedophiles) than I fear that our politics is horrible stuck.
The conclusion of going all the way down the post-modern rabbit hole is that it will be raw power that imposes truth. It should come as no surprise that the greatest post-modern thinkers were French - who learned in their history that this is precisely what the Jacobins attempted to do.
And you actually see it in spades on this forum (and why I often think it is time to leave and then get sucked in because it is a good excuse to write and work out my own thinking). Above you see how the same event yield radically different truths and (going all grad school) no one has an epistemological framework to "unstuck" us. To me that is actually what is MOST scary about the current time....that there is no pathway forward which lets us get at consensus about what is true. The likely result is is that truth will be imposed with raw political force (and no, this is not a knock on Trump...you could argue the same for the worst excesses of the left's efforts to make all of american history about race and that power would be exerted if you disagreed. I just think the right has taken this to scary scary levels because within the democratic party you had old fashioned pluralists and positivists who laughed at the cringing leftists with their shelves of all of Foucault's work. On the right the purges of the Bush establishment has really allowed the barbarians to swarm).
A big reason Trump is President is because Democrat asserted "shared facts" were in fact establishment lies.
Established by who? The people who lost?
BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:HawaiiBear33 said:
Jan 6 was no insurrection
I watched these videos and they show nothing
I watched videos you posted long ago that showed almost no violence. Go back and look at them
Ashli Babbit was murdered and 5 people were very likely suicided by the left
Now that it's safe for them to speak the truth…
https://www.disclose.tv/id/4vjbepcli3/
Are you part of the crowd that thinks the moon landing was staged?
It's really maddening to read you guys time and again claim falsehoods, but I think that's your goal - to just piss people off.
Thousands of MAGA supporters marched to the Capitol and confronted thousands of cops.
While it's true that they fired no guns, it's also true that they pushed cops out of the way, hit them with sticks and poles. They tased cops either their own guns, and threatened to kill them. They smashed windows
They chanted deadly chants and ransacked the building, spreading feces.
Staffers locked themselves into closets or rooms and feared death.
Senators ran away from the angry mob.
That's "violence". And the political stakes were high. This was because of things Trump et al said on stage.
If you'd like to argue that was not an insurrection then please provide definition of "insurrection".
Don't you think they would have brought guns if it was really an insurrection?
Oh, is that on the books?
It can only be an insurrection if you show up with guns.
Not what I said. Yall are great at twisting words. Yes an insurrection COULD happen without guns but don't you think the NRA loving gun totin right wing facists would have brought guns if they were planning an insurrection?
BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:
Don't you think they would have brought guns if it was really an insurrection?
How did they overthrow kingdoms before the invention of firearms?
Ro Sham Bo.
Swords? Bow and arrows? Didn't see any chain mail in the crowd either lol
BearlySane88 said:
Not what I said. Yall are great at twisting words. Yes an insurrection COULD happen without guns but don't you think the NRA loving gun totin right wing facists would have brought guns if they were planning an insurrection?
BearlySane88 said:
Swords? Bow and arrows? Didn't see any chain mail in the crowd either lol
concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:and that, itself, is an established lie.ACC Bear said:socaltownie said:
I think the FAR more interesting issue is that we are now in an era were "truth" and "facts" are essentially impossible to agree upon.
This becomes a problem because liberal democracy is premised on the idea that there are shared facts. ("If we dam the river we can irrigate the fields. Now we have to determine how to pay for it and deal with any consequences"). But if people do not agree that damming the river allows irrigation (or even that plants NEED irrigation....or that irrigation is actually a plot by pedophiles) than I fear that our politics is horrible stuck.
The conclusion of going all the way down the post-modern rabbit hole is that it will be raw power that imposes truth. It should come as no surprise that the greatest post-modern thinkers were French - who learned in their history that this is precisely what the Jacobins attempted to do.
And you actually see it in spades on this forum (and why I often think it is time to leave and then get sucked in because it is a good excuse to write and work out my own thinking). Above you see how the same event yield radically different truths and (going all grad school) no one has an epistemological framework to "unstuck" us. To me that is actually what is MOST scary about the current time....that there is no pathway forward which lets us get at consensus about what is true. The likely result is is that truth will be imposed with raw political force (and no, this is not a knock on Trump...you could argue the same for the worst excesses of the left's efforts to make all of american history about race and that power would be exerted if you disagreed. I just think the right has taken this to scary scary levels because within the democratic party you had old fashioned pluralists and positivists who laughed at the cringing leftists with their shelves of all of Foucault's work. On the right the purges of the Bush establishment has really allowed the barbarians to swarm).
A big reason Trump is President is because Democrat asserted "shared facts" were in fact establishment lies.
Established by who? The people who lost?
Would you ever vote for a black woman?
Let's be honest about the real reasons - and that's one of them.
concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:HawaiiBear33 said:
Jan 6 was no insurrection
I watched these videos and they show nothing
I watched videos you posted long ago that showed almost no violence. Go back and look at them
Ashli Babbit was murdered and 5 people were very likely suicided by the left
Now that it's safe for them to speak the truth…
https://www.disclose.tv/id/4vjbepcli3/
Are you part of the crowd that thinks the moon landing was staged?
It's really maddening to read you guys time and again claim falsehoods, but I think that's your goal - to just piss people off.
Thousands of MAGA supporters marched to the Capitol and confronted thousands of cops.
While it's true that they fired no guns, it's also true that they pushed cops out of the way, hit them with sticks and poles. They tased cops either their own guns, and threatened to kill them. They smashed windows
They chanted deadly chants and ransacked the building, spreading feces.
Staffers locked themselves into closets or rooms and feared death.
Senators ran away from the angry mob.
That's "violence". And the political stakes were high. This was because of things Trump et al said on stage.
If you'd like to argue that was not an insurrection then please provide definition of "insurrection".
Don't you think they would have brought guns if it was really an insurrection?
Oh, is that on the books?
It can only be an insurrection if you show up with guns.
Not what I said. Yall are great at twisting words. Yes an insurrection COULD happen without guns but don't you think the NRA loving gun totin right wing facists would have brought guns if they were planning an insurrection?
Perhaps your news outlets failed to inform you of the premeditated organized efforts by various figures and groups at the Capitol that day.
Here's one
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna104188
Aired years ago I saw much pre-j6 interview footage of him coordinating with others. He documented his arrival in DC and everything.
You are apparently unaware of how bad it
was.
concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:
Don't you think they would have brought guns if it was really an insurrection?
How did they overthrow kingdoms before the invention of firearms?
Ro Sham Bo.
Swords? Bow and arrows? Didn't see any chain mail in the crowd either lol
It just astonishes me.
Some of the others here are true nut cases. And I don't bother with them. But you simply seem to be incredibly poorly informed.
Look up oath keeps and proudly boys.
Watch footage of the violence.
concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:
Swords? Bow and arrows? Didn't see any chain mail in the crowd either lol
BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:HawaiiBear33 said:
Jan 6 was no insurrection
I watched these videos and they show nothing
I watched videos you posted long ago that showed almost no violence. Go back and look at them
Ashli Babbit was murdered and 5 people were very likely suicided by the left
Now that it's safe for them to speak the truth…
https://www.disclose.tv/id/4vjbepcli3/
Are you part of the crowd that thinks the moon landing was staged?
It's really maddening to read you guys time and again claim falsehoods, but I think that's your goal - to just piss people off.
Thousands of MAGA supporters marched to the Capitol and confronted thousands of cops.
While it's true that they fired no guns, it's also true that they pushed cops out of the way, hit them with sticks and poles. They tased cops either their own guns, and threatened to kill them. They smashed windows
They chanted deadly chants and ransacked the building, spreading feces.
Staffers locked themselves into closets or rooms and feared death.
Senators ran away from the angry mob.
That's "violence". And the political stakes were high. This was because of things Trump et al said on stage.
If you'd like to argue that was not an insurrection then please provide definition of "insurrection".
Don't you think they would have brought guns if it was really an insurrection?
Oh, is that on the books?
It can only be an insurrection if you show up with guns.
Not what I said. Yall are great at twisting words. Yes an insurrection COULD happen without guns but don't you think the NRA loving gun totin right wing facists would have brought guns if they were planning an insurrection?
Perhaps your news outlets failed to inform you of the premeditated organized efforts by various figures and groups at the Capitol that day.
Here's one
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna104188
Aired years ago I saw much pre-j6 interview footage of him coordinating with others. He documented his arrival in DC and everything.
You are apparently unaware of how bad it
was.
And yet they didn't bring guns and starting shooting to the capital. My point stands
concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:BearlySane88 said:concordtom said:HawaiiBear33 said:
Jan 6 was no insurrection
I watched these videos and they show nothing
I watched videos you posted long ago that showed almost no violence. Go back and look at them
Ashli Babbit was murdered and 5 people were very likely suicided by the left
Now that it's safe for them to speak the truth…
https://www.disclose.tv/id/4vjbepcli3/
Are you part of the crowd that thinks the moon landing was staged?
It's really maddening to read you guys time and again claim falsehoods, but I think that's your goal - to just piss people off.
Thousands of MAGA supporters marched to the Capitol and confronted thousands of cops.
While it's true that they fired no guns, it's also true that they pushed cops out of the way, hit them with sticks and poles. They tased cops either their own guns, and threatened to kill them. They smashed windows
They chanted deadly chants and ransacked the building, spreading feces.
Staffers locked themselves into closets or rooms and feared death.
Senators ran away from the angry mob.
That's "violence". And the political stakes were high. This was because of things Trump et al said on stage.
If you'd like to argue that was not an insurrection then please provide definition of "insurrection".
Don't you think they would have brought guns if it was really an insurrection?
Oh, is that on the books?
It can only be an insurrection if you show up with guns.
Not what I said. Yall are great at twisting words. Yes an insurrection COULD happen without guns but don't you think the NRA loving gun totin right wing facists would have brought guns if they were planning an insurrection?
Perhaps your news outlets failed to inform you of the premeditated organized efforts by various figures and groups at the Capitol that day.
Here's one
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna104188
Aired years ago I saw much pre-j6 interview footage of him coordinating with others. He documented his arrival in DC and everything.
You are apparently unaware of how bad it
was.
And yet they didn't bring guns and starting shooting to the capital. My point stands
Then you are an apologist for what happened because there were not shootings.
concordtom said:
In their bags, on their hips.
But again, guns not required. Nor a plan. Only madness.
Apologist
