Can the Maga folks on the board agree about the Craziness of today's Speech

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concordtom said:

BearlySane88 said:

bearister said:

"I stopped reading after number 2."

That is actually surprising. That is 2 items further than most MAGAs get reading non Right Wing echo chamber news/opinions. You now officially qualify as open minded.

If you ever get a second wind, I'm adding another item:

16.https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/129605



You do understand that I don't seek or need your approval right? I'm not a liberal cuck and don't need everyone to agree with me. I recognize where I'm posting and that I am in the overwhelming minority when it comes to Cal alum and the Bay Area community at large. I'd argue that you are actually in the echo chamber, surrounding yourself with people who only think like you while I live and work daily (peacefully mind you!) with people who I disagree with whole heartedly


You're here since only 2000?

You don't know Bearister very well.


That's 25 years, dude.
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Not a liberal cuck but definitely a conservative cuck pay pig
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
bearister
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"You do understand that I don't seek or need your approval right?"

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BearlySane88 said:

bearister said:

"There are plenty of people who are…helping to facilitate the downfall of America."

I think Trump, Vance, Stephen Miller, Kristi Noem, Pam Bondi, RFK, Jr., Hegseth, and the SCOTUS pretty much have that covered all by themselves.


Of course you do because you supported Sleepy Joe and Kamala and supported their open boarders and welfare to illegal aliens

So you also asked about borders so here it goes......

1) We have to agree on sources. I am fine with what you want to use as long as it isn't a youtube sound bite. My go to since they have been doing the work for 30+ years is Pew. But again, we can use yours. Just link it But as above, I am NOT listening to some talking head youtuber....so go to HIS source.

Here is the latest from Pew.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

So....

A) The number of illegals declined from the peak of 2005. It absolutely did (based on everything we know) start to climb during the post-COVID era.

B) One of the fascinating things that occurred between 2000 and 2022 is that AUTHORIZED immigrants spiked. Experts attribute this to family reunification, Asylum laws and authorized visas of a variety of flavors. Arguably THAT is what really is creating some of the politics around immigration.

C) This wave is so different from the 1990s wave - which saw a ton of short term economic male immigrants from Mexico. The recent wave is much more geographically diverse, less male and stays longer. I think that also has impacted things.

D) The Chart on Mexican immigration shows why the border wall is sorta laughable. The most prevalent way in is through visa overstays and then assylum claims.

There is a rational debate to be had about US immigration (and asylum policies). But I think much of the frustration with the Right is that you do not really want to have that.

Here are the nutty problems

1) What do we do about asylum claims? We really are living with the legacy of the MS St. Louis and how our asylum laws were changed because of that horrific part of US history. But these laws were also not really designed around the idea of failed states. That is what we have in the world. But it will require, because of the real toxicity of the issue and the ability to score cheap points for a bi partisan discussion of whether we open up asylum claims when people are "persecuted" by criminal gangs that operate freely in weak states.

2) The advent of modern technology has really changed the pull factors for immigration. A faculty member in my old department (Wayne Cornelius) did ground breaking work to show that mexican immigrants often congregated in cities where there were existing village-level ties. The advent of cell phones and internet make it VERY easy for immigrants to understand and one would say "game" the system.

3) Most asylum claims are not found to warrant refugee status. But they take a while to process. There is an entire industry (always start by blaming the lawyer) who benefit from a very drawn out process with multiple hearings and filings. The bipartisan bill in 2023 tried to address this but trump did not want to. Moreover, he sill hasn't addressed this - so you have a bunch of people who are being excluded from processing the claim because they had a wet reckless 15 years ago. YMMV but I find that objectionable way to get fast deportations.

4) I think an underresearched (or at least I have not seen it) is the extent to which the gig economy has provided an economic anchor on unauthorized workers. It used to be that to work you really needed to find an employer that worked in a cash focused business that would pay you under the table. LEss cash SHOULD provide a means to avoid this. But what I think is happening is "rent a SS" or other ways of working for the ubers of the world, who turn a blind eye to this. I read (but can not find) a good study that showed that in I believe Miami fully 60% of uber drivers randomly sampled offered that they were illegal. This was during Biden so I am guessing no longer forthcoming. It was stunning.

4.5) Those stories piss me off and I have long said the way to solve this problem OVERNIGHT is for the WalMart CEO to do a perp walk the next time a workplace enforcement action finds unauthroized workers. Of course he legally avoids this by contracting out janitoriai services to a 3rd party so he has plausible deniability (while benefiting from ultra low contracts that can only be fulfilled by the contractor hiring illegals). The lack of seriousness of the GOP on this issue leads me to believe they are performative and cruel rather than policy solvers.



4) And ultimately we have to understand that without SOME sort of labor input we are destined for Japan (or worse) - with a declining birthrate, an aging population and, as I say, no one that will affordably wipe my ass in my dotage (or pick my veggies now).
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Your work there will be dismissed with a flippant phrase or two and a couple of words from their manual: e.g., cuck, y'all, FAFO, etc.
That is why AI Overview is so useful. It takes the same 10 seconds of time to debunk their bullsh@it as it took them to generate it.
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bearister said:

Your work there will be dismissed with a flippant phrase or two and a couple of words from their manual: e.g., cuck, y'all, FAFO, etc.
That is why AI Overview is so useful. It takes the same 10 seconds of time to debunk their bullsh@it as it took them to generate it.

Yeah - it is so sad. I am not sure what there point is. For me I do this mostly for me - to use the act of writing to help with my own thinking (and possibly help with the life long effort to be a clearer and more compelling writer).
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socaltownie said:

bearister said:

Your work there will be dismissed with a flippant phrase or two and a couple of words from their manual: e.g., cuck, y'all, FAFO, etc.
That is why AI Overview is so useful. It takes the same 10 seconds of time to debunk their bullsh@it as it took them to generate it.

Yeah - it is so sad. I am not sure what there point is. For me I do this mostly for me - to use the act of writing to help with my own thinking (and possibly help with the life long effort to be a clearer and more compelling writer).


You are a strong writer, I'll give you that
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bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Despite the hyperbole, the victimhood, and cries of fascism from the left, it should be easy for the Democratic Party to field a moderate candidate who can appeal to the masses, and yet, they shoot themselves in the foot by choosing the wrong side of every 80/20 issue.


Suggest a couple. I'm encouraged by your comment.

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socaltownie said:

bearister said:

Your work there will be dismissed with a flippant phrase or two and a couple of words from their manual: e.g., cuck, y'all, FAFO, etc.
That is why AI Overview is so useful. It takes the same 10 seconds of time to debunk their bullsh@it as it took them to generate it.

Yeah - it is so sad. I am not sure what there point is. For me I do this mostly for me - to use the act of writing to help with my own thinking (and possibly help with the life long effort to be a clearer and more compelling writer).


I think I wrote years ago that BI allowed me to process things, figure things out.
Why were things happening politically the way they were.

The act of vocalizing it, reworking it, sifting through fact from emotion really helped me understand both aspects.

I feel I'm a better person for the exercise.

Kudos to you, SoCal!
We go way back on the hoops board! And now our kids are sophomores. I bet they know each other.

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concordtom
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Maybe consider giving us an OT downfall someday.

https://www.captiongenerator.com/make-a-hitler-reacts-video

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captioning very well done, cct, thanks
concordtom
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I didn't do that one, fyi.

SoCal did a classic downfall years ago on the hoops board. Anyone else remember that?
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concordtom said:

I didn't do that one, fyi.

yeahbut, you (re)posted it, good enough for tnx-ews imo

unrelated bonus reply to "Anyone else remember that?"..
turns out, and this is true, i don't remember what i had for breakfast, even though the same contents for decades.
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socaltownie said:

Honestly we are Way down the rabbit hole and people that care (and I know that Hawaii Bear and others do) about this country you should care when the President calls for the military to use cities as "training grounds" and to "fight the enemy within".

I realize we are not supposed to call it fascism but what the F should we be calling THAT!!???!!!!

MAGA folks can state that we are very close to a red line here. Contact your congressman. State it in threads on X. Use your platform with other conservatives.

It is one thing (which I think is a subject for legitimate debate) to deploy force to protect ICE facilities when local law enforcement won't try to figure out a way to balance peaceful protest with legitimate and legal activities. But sending active duty military into cities for "training grounds" and identifying law enforcement as a "prime mission" of US military should be beyond the pale for every American. We fought a revolutionary war over this.

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Here are some facts supporting the proposition that Trump is a clear and present danger to our democracy:
1. Executive power: Trump has declared nine national emergenciesin his first eight months in office, stretching the definition of "emergency" in creative and aggressive ways.

2. Free-press crackdown: Trump has waged the most aggressive government campaignagainst mainstream media in modern U.S. history stripping funding from public outlets, pushing the FCC to revoke broadcast licenses over negative coverage, and personally suing CBS/Paramount, The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times while in office.

3. Seizing congressional purse strings: Trump has tried to freeze or redirect billions in congressionally appropriated funds, from public health to foreign aid to university research.

4. Tariffs: Trump has effectively seized the authority over tariffs that the Constitution gives to Congress, wielding tariffs to reshape global trade and punish countries for political or economic disputes.

5. Overriding the Constitution: Trump issued an executive order seeking to eliminate birthright citizenship a right guaranteed in the 14th Amendment for the children of unauthorized immigrants.

6. Purging watchdogs and civil servants: Trump has fired inspectors general en masse, dismantled independent agencies, and ordered loyalty-driven purges across the federal workforce.

7. Eroding DOJ independence: Trump has declared himself the country's "chief law enforcement officer" a title typically reserved for the attorney general claiming the right to personally dictate prosecutions and order investigations of his political opponents.

8. Eroding Fed independence: Trump tried to fire Fed governor Lisa Cook as part of an extraordinary campaign to pressure the central bank to cut interest rates.

9. Wartime powers in peacetime: Trump invoked the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport alleged gang members without hearings, ordered maritime strikes on alleged drug traffickers without congressional authorization, and deployed the National Guard to D.C.and Los Angeles without the consent of local authorities.

10. Pay-me capitalism: The Trump administration has secured a "golden share" in U.S. Steel, taken a cut of chipmakers' foreign sales and a stake in Intel, and scored companieson their loyalty to Trump's agenda.

11. Targeting Big Law: Trump punished firms that represented political adversaries by stripping contracts and security clearances, extracting multimillion-dollar pro bono deals.

12. Punishing universities: Trump withheld billions in federal funding from schools such as Harvard and Columbia citing their handling of pro-Palestinian protests, campus antisemitism, and DEI policies and used the leverage to force changes in curricula and leadership.

13. Rewriting health and vaccine policy: Trump fired career health officials, slashed funding for public health research, and gave political allies broad control over FDA and CDC decisions.

14. Profiteering: The Trump family is believed to already have made billions of dollars during his second term, including through massive foreign crypto deals, real estate ventures and brazen access plays.

15. Jan. 6 pardons: Trump issued blanket clemency to more than 1,500 people charged in the 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol, including violent offenders and far-right extremists.
Axios

Facts supporting the proposition that Democrats are the enemy within/a clear and present danger:

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*I have always thought the "both sides are equally bad" statement is a false equivalence intended to make MAGAs that perceive themselves as reasonable people feel better about themselves.
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