The science behind improving BI OT discussions

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concordtom
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Wow,
This was actually a fairly interesting experience for me!

What started out as an examination of 6 Degrees of Separation turned into consideration of the quality of our BearInsider OT dialogue. And more.

It's long been a rage, among some, that OT is a wasteland that should be shut down. Enter PRISONER'S DILEMMA of this video at the 24 minute mark.



I ask that you watch the video and then apply the science to BI OT and consider how WE have the power to improve the quality of our discussions.

Of note is the research of Axelrod and tit-for-tat, taken on by Watts and Strogatz's study of networks at 26:30. Though you probably have to invest the full half hour to put it all together.

In Prisoners Dilemma, the world tends toward Cooperators if the world is comprised of local connections ONLY.
However, if you add in just a few shortcuts (nonlocal connections), the world flips to 100% Defectors. Wow!
Quote:


"Cooperation is fostered by having little clumps (local connections). If I have a little clump of people who are my buds, we get to have a lot of encounters and cooperation tends to emerge from familiarity - the same way that iteration works, that if I know I'm going to see you again it ends up being to my advantage to cooperate.

"Whereas in the world of the internet where anyone can get on Twitter and badmouth anyone else. That tends to discourage. We don't have pockets, you don't have communities. "

- "It kind of explains this keyboard warrior phenomenon. People say things on the internet they wouldn't say to your face."

- "They wouldn't! Most people are nice in real life!"


Second, I was struck at how Hegseth's aggressive speech the other day was like the Defector player who, as the head of the Pentagon, is the guy with lots of "shortcuts". Or, maybe I should highlight Trump as the bigger Defector, AND the "hub". Negativity spreads!

And in the realm of global warfare, that's extremely dangerous. If every nation is a Defector, does that result in Mutually Assured Destruction (bad), or MAD-derived Peace (good, but suboptimal allocation of efforts)?

Contrasting, if every nation was a Cooperator, what kind of world do we end up with? 8 billion people couldn't all know each other, but the nations' leaders could! And if they did, the science says Cooperation spreads universally. Peace + efficiency of resource allocation.

Hmmm.



The final takeaway,
Quote:


"If one person does something selfish, everything goes south. Universal Defectors.
In another world, everyone holds it together (Cooperation) and everything goes well!"


…"In real life, you can choose who you hang out with. So Watts re-ran the experiment allowing players to change who they were playing with, and using the prisoners dilemma so people could identify the Defectors."

- and the finding was clear. The more you allowed players to choose who they were playing with, the more likely they were to cooperate!


- "You can make this a lot better for yourself by just acting and being decisive. There's nothing to be gained by continuing to interact with people who are bringing negativity into your life."







"Our actions shape us.
But our actions shape the networks.
So, choose both wisely."





You all are intelligent Cal grads, right?
Dive into this video with your thinking hats on and comment intelligently.

And if someone annoys you, you can always actively choose the Ignore button, rather than snark back.

Let's cooperate to make BI OT the type of network that uplifts us all.
The science tells us:
Cooperation spreads!
Negativity spreads!
Let's choose Cooperation.


concordtom
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This was a good post that got no replies.

Big C agrees with me.
BearlySane88
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1/3 of your posts talking about different ways you want Trump to die. I think that's why nobody responded
Aunburdened
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So much concordtom nonsense trolling skipped over today by a nice 24 hour IGNORE.

Thanks for going into SBGold mode today and bumping a bunch of threads with zero interesting information.
concordtom
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Perhaps you missed the thread, then, where I positively referenced you for your take, which I was in accordance with.
Anarchistbear
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I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
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bearister
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Anarchistbear said:

I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
Insert AI slop into a post.


What is your definition of slop? It is a great way to dump an essay on someone who urinates on this website with disinformation from catturd, amuse or any of the other hillbilly sources that the wingnuts base their contentions on. Ban that garbage, then ban AI.

The only reason the wingnuts don't post AI here is they can't even craft a prompt that is worth a sh@t…..and if they could, they wouldn't like the answer they got back.



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Anarchistbear
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bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
Insert AI slop into a post.


What is your definition of slop? It is a great way to dump an essay on someone who urinates on this website with disinformation from catturd, amuse or any of the other hillbilly sources that the wingnuts base their contentions on. Ban that garbage, then ban AI.




The garbage from catturd is easily recognizable as garbage. The AI slop otoh is treated as "truth" but that's debatable- in many cases it is equally garbage
bearister
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Anarchistbear said:

bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
Insert AI slop into a post.


What is your definition of slop? It is a great way to dump an essay on someone who urinates on this website with disinformation from catturd, amuse or any of the other hillbilly sources that the wingnuts base their contentions on. Ban that garbage, then ban AI.




The garbage from catturd is easily recognizable as garbage. The AI slop otoh is treated as "truth" but that's debatable- in many cases it is equally garbage


I'm happy to have anyone point that out when I post AI. No one has yet.

What I have said about it is that it takes 10 seconds to post disinformation on a subject and it used to take significant time to read articles and then post excerpts to rebut it. Now the time to rebut it has been reduced to the same time it took to post the disinformation.

I repeat, AI is not the friend of the Far Right. It never gives them the false narrative they need to support their claims. Perhaps they can payoff a provider of AI to generate results that they are pleased with.
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Big C
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concordtom said:

This was a good post that got no replies.

Big C agrees with me.

Me?!? I'm gonna have to review this stuff before I can confirm that. All I can think of right now is that there's way too much back-and-forth sniping around here that's getting in the way of honest dialog.
concordtom
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Yeah, well, it was kinda a prompt to get you to watch the video and then read my reaction, and then share your own.

It would take under an hour if done properly.
concordtom
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bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
Insert AI slop into a post.


What is your definition of slop? It is a great way to dump an essay on someone who urinates on this website with disinformation from catturd, amuse or any of the other hillbilly sources that the wingnuts base their contentions on. Ban that garbage, then ban AI.

The only reason the wingnuts don't post AI here is they can't even craft a prompt that is worth a sh@t…..and if they could, they wouldn't like the answer they got back.



I agree with Bearister, except for his graphic, which represents Defector behavior. (Watch the video, it'll challenge your mind.)
bearister
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concordtom said:

bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
Insert AI slop into a post.


What is your definition of slop? It is a great way to dump an essay on someone who urinates on this website with disinformation from catturd, amuse or any of the other hillbilly sources that the wingnuts base their contentions on. Ban that garbage, then ban AI.

The only reason the wingnuts don't post AI here is they can't even craft a prompt that is worth a sh@t…..and if they could, they wouldn't like the answer they got back.



I agree with Bearister, except for his graphic, which represents Defector behavior. (Watch the video, it'll challenge your mind.)


I'll take care of the gif for you:

Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
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Anarchistbear
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bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
Insert AI slop into a post.


What is your definition of slop? It is a great way to dump an essay on someone who urinates on this website with disinformation from catturd, amuse or any of the other hillbilly sources that the wingnuts base their contentions on. Ban that garbage, then ban AI.




The garbage from catturd is easily recognizable as garbage. The AI slop otoh is treated as "truth" but that's debatable- in many cases it is equally garbage


I'm happy to have anyone point that out when I post AI. No one has yet.

What I have said about it is that it takes 10 seconds to post disinformation on a subject and it used to take significant time to read articles and then post excerpts to rebut it. Now the time to rebut it has been reduced to the same time it took to post the disinformation.

I repeat, AI is not the friend of the Far Right. It never gives them the false narrative they need to support their claims. Perhaps they can payoff a provider of AI to generate results that they are pleased with.


I doubt anyone reads the AI stuff anyone posts

Here's a correct view

DiabloWags
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I recall a thread here that I created about colon cancer screening awareness.
Sadly, it got "hijacked" by a serial OT forum hijacker into pages and pages of Ai about diets.
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concordtom said:

>And if someone annoys you, you can always actively choose the Ignore button, rather than snark back.

Let's cooperate to make BI OT the type of network that uplifts us all.
The science tells us:
Cooperation spreads!
Negativity spreads!
Let's choose Cooperation.

yeah, riight (not), as if that happens; great advice though, tnx tom
signed, blocking hundreds of mostly abandoned handles
sighned, not dead yet # funk trunk
bearister
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When I used AI to answer the question "What are the criticisms of the current Trump Administration's policies and Executive Orders?" it spit out pure radical Left Wing hateful bullsh@t…..

……but for some reason when I asked AI "What were the criticisms of the Biden Administration?" it generated a completely accurate response that made me tingly all over.
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bearister said:

When I used AI to answer the question "What are the criticisms of the current Trump Administration's policies and Executive Orders?" it spit out pure radical Left Wing hateful bullsh@t…..

……but for some reason when I asked AI "What were the criticisms of the Biden Administration?" it generated a completely accurate response that made me tingly all over.


fwiw (your smileage may vary)..
https://www.explorepsychology.com/projection-bias

> What Is the Projection Bias?
Quote:

The projection bias is a type of cognitive bias that involves overestimating the degree to which other people agree with us. People tend to assume that others think, feel, believe, and behave much like they do. They assume that their way of thinking about something or doing things is typical, and therefore other normal people will respond in a very similar manner.

This is similar to the false consensus effect, in which people overestimate the degree to which other people agree with their opinions.

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Big C
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Anarchistbear said:

bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
Insert AI slop into a post.


What is your definition of slop? It is a great way to dump an essay on someone who urinates on this website with disinformation from catturd, amuse or any of the other hillbilly sources that the wingnuts base their contentions on. Ban that garbage, then ban AI.




The garbage from catturd is easily recognizable as garbage. The AI slop otoh is treated as "truth" but that's debatable- in many cases it is equally garbage


I'm happy to have anyone point that out when I post AI. No one has yet.

What I have said about it is that it takes 10 seconds to post disinformation on a subject and it used to take significant time to read articles and then post excerpts to rebut it. Now the time to rebut it has been reduced to the same time it took to post the disinformation.

I repeat, AI is not the friend of the Far Right. It never gives them the false narrative they need to support their claims. Perhaps they can payoff a provider of AI to generate results that they are pleased with.


I doubt anyone reads the AI stuff anyone posts

Here's a correct view



I figured you might be wrong because who wouldn't read the AI stuff that posters post? After all, it is AI (Ooooh! And we all know what that "I" stands for!).

So I asked AI. Turns out I'm right and you're wrong.
Anarchistbear
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Big C said:

Anarchistbear said:

bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
Insert AI slop into a post.


What is your definition of slop? It is a great way to dump an essay on someone who urinates on this website with disinformation from catturd, amuse or any of the other hillbilly sources that the wingnuts base their contentions on. Ban that garbage, then ban AI.




The garbage from catturd is easily recognizable as garbage. The AI slop otoh is treated as "truth" but that's debatable- in many cases it is equally garbage


I'm happy to have anyone point that out when I post AI. No one has yet.

What I have said about it is that it takes 10 seconds to post disinformation on a subject and it used to take significant time to read articles and then post excerpts to rebut it. Now the time to rebut it has been reduced to the same time it took to post the disinformation.

I repeat, AI is not the friend of the Far Right. It never gives them the false narrative they need to support their claims. Perhaps they can payoff a provider of AI to generate results that they are pleased with.


I doubt anyone reads the AI stuff anyone posts

Here's a correct view



I figured you might be wrong because who wouldn't read the AI stuff that posters post? After all, it is AI (and we all know what that "I" stands for!).

So I asked AI. Turns out I'm right and you're wrong.


Here's what my AI said:
" This is retar$$$."



concordtom
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bearister said:

concordtom said:

bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
Insert AI slop into a post.


What is your definition of slop? It is a great way to dump an essay on someone who urinates on this website with disinformation from catturd, amuse or any of the other hillbilly sources that the wingnuts base their contentions on. Ban that garbage, then ban AI.

The only reason the wingnuts don't post AI here is they can't even craft a prompt that is worth a sh@t…..and if they could, they wouldn't like the answer they got back.



I agree with Bearister, except for his graphic, which represents Defector behavior. (Watch the video, it'll challenge your mind.)


I'll take care of the gif for you:




Ooo.
I think the motorcyclist had a severe blond/orange combover, and a big fat ass.
concordtom
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Big C said:

Anarchistbear said:

bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

I would recommend that nobody be allowed to
Insert AI slop into a post.


What is your definition of slop? It is a great way to dump an essay on someone who urinates on this website with disinformation from catturd, amuse or any of the other hillbilly sources that the wingnuts base their contentions on. Ban that garbage, then ban AI.




The garbage from catturd is easily recognizable as garbage. The AI slop otoh is treated as "truth" but that's debatable- in many cases it is equally garbage


I'm happy to have anyone point that out when I post AI. No one has yet.

What I have said about it is that it takes 10 seconds to post disinformation on a subject and it used to take significant time to read articles and then post excerpts to rebut it. Now the time to rebut it has been reduced to the same time it took to post the disinformation.

I repeat, AI is not the friend of the Far Right. It never gives them the false narrative they need to support their claims. Perhaps they can payoff a provider of AI to generate results that they are pleased with.


I doubt anyone reads the AI stuff anyone posts

Here's a correct view



I figured you might be wrong because who wouldn't read the AI stuff that posters post? After all, it is AI (and we all know what that "I" stands for!).

So I asked AI. Turns out I'm right and you're wrong.


Hahaha
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