https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-79-skewered-for-embarrassing-geographical-flub/

Yet again. These are the kinds of mistakes Pac 10, lover, 003 and Minot make regularly

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

You are CORRECT.

SBGold said:

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-79-skewered-for-embarrassing-geographical-flub/

Yet again. These are the kinds of mistake Pac 10, lover, 003 and Minot make regularly

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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"Kinds of mistake?" You sound like foreign slave labor the Democrats use to support their poor positions online.

oski003 said:

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SBGold said:

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-79-skewered-for-embarrassing-geographical-flub/

Yet again. These are the kinds of mistake Pac 10, lover, 003 and Minot make regularly

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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"Kinds of mistake?" You sound like foreign slave labor the Democrats use to support their poor positions online.

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Struck a nerve. You responded because you care.

What should you care about? How about:

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

Reading comprehension stuck at the 6th grade level but PhD's in Whataboutism.

And easily "triggered"

Typical of the Chump supporters here.

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oski003 said:

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SBGold said:

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-79-skewered-for-embarrassing-geographical-flub/

Yet again. These are the kinds of mistake Pac 10, lover, 003 and Minot make regularly

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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"Kinds of mistake?" You sound like foreign slave labor the Democrats use to support their poor positions online.

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Struck a nerve. You responded because you care.

What should you care about? How about:

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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You can't support the democrats and preach unity over division. It's entirely hypocritical while half the left feels political violence is okay.

DONALD TRUMP.
THE DUMBEST U.S. PRESIDENT IN MY LIFETIME.


"Other countries are there, but they're an hour or an hour and a half away, big difference," Trump continued.

"They're literally, you walk over from Iran to Qatar. You can walk it in one second.
You go 'boom boom' and now you're in Qatar, that's tough territory."

BearlySane88 said:

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SBGold said:

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oski003 said:

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SBGold said:

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-79-skewered-for-embarrassing-geographical-flub/

Yet again. These are the kinds of mistake Pac 10, lover, 003 and Minot make regularly

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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"Kinds of mistake?" You sound like foreign slave labor the Democrats use to support their poor positions online.

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Struck a nerve. You responded because you care.

What should you care about? How about:

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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You can't support the democrats and preach unity over division. It's entirely hypocritical while half the left feels political violence is okay.

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A box of rocks brings more to the discussion than your posts.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/americas-new-age-political-violence#

UNITY OVER DIVISION (MAGAts don't do anything for this)

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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BearlySane88 said:

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SBGold said:

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oski003 said:

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SBGold said:

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-79-skewered-for-embarrassing-geographical-flub/

Yet again. These are the kinds of mistake Pac 10, lover, 003 and Minot make regularly

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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"Kinds of mistake?" You sound like foreign slave labor the Democrats use to support their poor positions online.

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Struck a nerve. You responded because you care.

What should you care about? How about:

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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You can't support the democrats and preach unity over division. It's entirely hypocritical while half the left feels political violence is okay.

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A box of rocks brings more to the discussion than your posts.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/americas-new-age-political-violence#

UNITY OVER DIVISION (MAGAts don't do anything for this)

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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I'd rather talk to a box of rocks than someone who is so against being able to see the other side of an argument. Yall are "never" wrong yet you fail to see that more than half of the voters in this country disagree with you. You're insulated in your liberal mindset. Maybe try actually listening to opposing views for once, might surprise you that more and more people think differently than you.

BearlySane88 said:

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I'd rather talk to a box of rocks than someone who is so against being able to see the other side of an argument. Yall are "never" wrong . . .

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You and Movielover might want to take a close look into a mirror.
You've never once admitted that Trump was wrong.

DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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I'd rather talk to a box of rocks than someone who is so against being able to see the other side of an argument. Yall are "never" wrong . . .

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You and Movielover might want to take a close look into a mirror.

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I was born and raised in the Bay Area, arguably the most liberal place in the country. I learned early on to listen to all sides, whether I wanted to or not. It allows me to think critically about a situation instead of following the beehive mentality. I think it would be very interesting for some of the left on here to go live in a community where everyone, at least the vocal majority, thinks differently than you do. I encourage that for everyone, not just the left. Open your mind to the possibility that you don't know everything. It's very enlightening

BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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I'd rather talk to a box of rocks than someone who is so against being able to see the other side of an argument. Yall are "never" wrong . . .

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You and Movielover might want to take a close look into a mirror.

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I was born and raised in the Bay Area, arguably the most liberal place in the country. I learned early on to listen to all sides, whether I wanted to or not. It allows me to think critically about a situation instead of following the beehive mentality. I think it would be very interesting for some of the left on here to go live in a community where everyone, at least the vocal majority, thinks differently than you do. I encourage that for everyone, not just the left. Open your mind to the possibility that you don't know everything. It's very enlightening

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I'm well aware of what the Republic Party used to stand for.
Donald Trump is NOT a Republican.

While an undergrad at CAL I voted for Ronald Reagan in my very first Presidential election.
But you and Movielover, Minot State, Pac-10 Bear 2034, and Oski can continue to label me a "liberal".

It just goes to show how disingenious many of you posters are when it comes to these discussions here.

DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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I'd rather talk to a box of rocks than someone who is so against being able to see the other side of an argument. Yall are "never" wrong . . .

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You and Movielover might want to take a close look into a mirror.

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I was born and raised in the Bay Area, arguably the most liberal place in the country. I learned early on to listen to all sides, whether I wanted to or not. It allows me to think critically about a situation instead of following the beehive mentality. I think it would be very interesting for some of the left on here to go live in a community where everyone, at least the vocal majority, thinks differently than you do. I encourage that for everyone, not just the left. Open your mind to the possibility that you don't know everything. It's very enlightening

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I'm well aware of what the Republic Party used to stand for.
Donald Trump is NOT a Republican.

While an undergrad at CAL I voted for Ronald Reagan in my very first Presidential election.
But you and Movielover, Minot State, Pac-10 Bear 2034, and Oski can continue to label me a "liberal".

It just goes to show how disingenious many of you posters are when it comes to these discussions here.

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Disingenuous? Because you post and spew left wing ideology, we are the idiots for assuming you're a democrat?

BearlySane88 said:

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I was born and raised in the Bay Area, arguably the most liberal place in the country. I learned early on to listen to all sides, whether I wanted to or not. It allows me to think critically about a situation instead of following the beehive mentality. I think it would be very interesting for some of the left on here to go live in a community where everyone, at least the vocal majority, thinks differently than you do. I encourage that for everyone, not just the left. Open your mind to the possibility that you don't know everything. It's very enlightening

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I would be very open to going to a town hall meeting held at a community that thinks very differently than me, a political moderate, and ask them to have a discussion with regard to the two discussion points at the end of this post:

* Here are 15 big ways Trump is shattering precedents, synthesized and narrated by Axios' Zachary Basu:

1. Executive power: Trump has declared nine national emergencies in his first eight months in office, stretching the definition of "emergency" in creative and aggressive ways.

2. Free-press crackdown: Trump has waged the most aggressive government campaignagainst mainstream media in modern U.S. history stripping funding from public outlets, pushing the FCC to revoke broadcast licenses over negative coverage, and personally suing CBS/Paramount, The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times while in office.

3. Seizing congressional purse strings: Trump has tried to freeze or redirect billions in congressionally appropriated funds, from public health to foreign aid to university research.

4. Tariffs: Trump has effectively seized the authority over tariffs that the Constitution gives to Congress, wielding tariffs to reshape global trade and punish countries for political or economic disputes.

5. Overriding the Constitution: Trump issued an executive order seeking to eliminate birthright citizenship a right guaranteed in the 14th Amendment for the children of unauthorized immigrants.

6. Purging watchdogs and civil servants: Trump has fired inspectors general en masse, dismantled independent agencies, and ordered loyalty-driven purges across the federal workforce.

7. Eroding DOJ independence: Trump has declared himself the country's "chief law enforcement officer" a title typically reserved for the attorney general claiming the right to personally dictate prosecutions and order investigations of his political opponents.

8. Eroding Fed independence: Trump tried to fire Fed governor Lisa Cook as part of an extraordinary campaign to pressure the central bank to cut interest rates.

9. Wartime powers in peacetime: Trump invoked the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport alleged gang members without hearings, ordered maritime strikes on alleged drug traffickers without congressional authorization, and deployed the National Guard to D.C.and Los Angeles without the consent of local authorities.

10. Pay-me capitalism: The Trump administration has secured a "golden share" in U.S. Steel, taken a cut of chipmakers' foreign sales and a stake in Intel, and scored companieson their loyalty to Trump's agenda.

11. Targeting Big Law: Trump punished firms that represented political adversaries by stripping contracts and security clearances, extracting multimillion-dollar pro bono deals.

12. Punishing universities: Trump withheld billions in federal funding from schools such as Harvard and Columbia citing their handling of pro-Palestinian protests, campus antisemitism, and DEI policies and used the leverage to force changes in curricula and leadership.

13. Rewriting health and vaccine policy: Trump fired career health officials, slashed funding for public health research, and gave political allies broad control over FDA and CDC decisions.

14. Profiteering: The Trump family is believed to already have made billions of dollars during his second term, including through massive foreign crypto deals, real estate ventures and brazen access plays.

15. Jan. 6 pardons: Trump issued blanket clemency to more than 1,500 people charged in the 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol, including violent offenders and far-right extremists.

Please discuss which of the preceding 15 points are based on a false premise or contain untrue statements and provide supporting evidence for your contention; and

For any of the 15 points that you believe are factually accurate, please explain why you are in agreement with Trump's conduct as described.

DiabloWags said:

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I'm well aware of what the Republic Party used to stand for.
Donald Trump is NOT a Republican.

While an undergrad at CAL I voted for Ronald Reagan in my very first Presidential election.
But you and Movielover, Minot State, Pac-10 Bear 2034, and Oski can continue to label me a "liberal".

It just goes to show how disingenious many of you posters are when it comes to these discussions here.

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Amen to that, Diablo!!

My first presidential election was for Bush in 88. My stepfather had his name on a plaque at the DC RNC HQ entrance lobby as a Lifetime Member of Golden Eagles or some such. Photos of my parents with Reagans then Bushes were on display at our home.
Trumpism is such an incredible *******ization from the party label that heads it.

And this is why the entire experience has been so fascinating to me - it explains how an entire segment of society can be led to things that are unquestionably wrong.

This becomes not a question, issue, debate of policy but one of understanding human psychology.



People become brainwashed. And we are trying to reason with brainwashed individuals.

They have been programmed to see "Democrats" as their enemy and will go along with anything.


Everyone KNEW that Trump was guilty of treason. It was plain as day.








They is no discussion to be had with so-called republicans if they cannot admit to the most basic of things.

No negotiations. Government Shutdown. See you at the Nov 2026 elections, assuming there are any - and that is honestly in question. I have broken faith they will be held in a fair manner in which we were raised to expect. Trumpism breaks all the norms.





When Bearly can admit Trump is guilty of Jan 6, then we can talk again.

I love it when people label me a lefty. Radical. Pro violence. Socialist. Whatever BS they've been told to believe by their brain washers. Utter fools!!!

BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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I'm well aware of what the Republic Party used to stand for.
Donald Trump is NOT a Republican.

While an undergrad at CAL I voted for Ronald Reagan in my very first Presidential election.
But you and Movielover, Minot State, Pac-10 Bear 2034, and Oski can continue to label me a "liberal".

It just goes to show how disingenious many of you posters are when it comes to these discussions here.

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Disingenuous? Because you post and spew left wing ideology, we are the idiots for assuming you're a democrat?

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Since when is being anti-Tariff part of a left-wing ideology?
I look forward to your answer.

DiabloWags said:

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Since when is being anti-Tariff part of a left-wing ideology?
I look forward to your answer.

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Amen!!!!!

So go do it then

concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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I'm well aware of what the Republic Party used to stand for.
Donald Trump is NOT a Republican.

While an undergrad at CAL I voted for Ronald Reagan in my very first Presidential election.
But you and Movielover, Minot State, Pac-10 Bear 2034, and Oski can continue to label me a "liberal".

It just goes to show how disingenious many of you posters are when it comes to these discussions here.

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Amen to that, Diablo!!
Trumpism is such an incredible *******ization from the party label that heads it.

And this is why the entire experience has been so fascinating to me - it explains how an entire segment of society can be led to things that are unquestionably wrong.

This becomes not a question, issue, debate of policy but one of understanding human psychology.



People become brainwashed. And we are trying to reason with brainwashed individuals.

They have been programmed to see "Democrats" as their enemy and will go along with anything.


Everyone KNEW that Trump was guilty of treason. It was plain as day.








They is no discussion to be had with so-called republicans if they cannot admit to the most basic of things.

No negotiations. Government Shutdown. See you at the Nov 2026 elections, assuming there are any - and that is honestly in question. I have broken faith they will be held in a fair manner in which we were raised to expect. Trumpism breaks all the norms.





When Bearly can admit Trump is guilty of Jan 6, then we can talk again.

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Trump isn't guilty of Jan 6. If that's your sticking point then we will never agree and I'm cool with that. Quoting a bunch of Trump haters isn't going to change my opinion of that

The fact that the left really thinks there won't be elections lolol

DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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I'm well aware of what the Republic Party used to stand for.
Donald Trump is NOT a Republican.

While an undergrad at CAL I voted for Ronald Reagan in my very first Presidential election.
But you and Movielover, Minot State, Pac-10 Bear 2034, and Oski can continue to label me a "liberal".

It just goes to show how disingenious many of you posters are when it comes to these discussions here.

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Disingenuous? Because you post and spew left wing ideology, we are the idiots for assuming you're a democrat?

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Since when is being anti-Tariff part of a left-wing ideology?
I look forward to your answer.

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You have TDS worse than anyone else I've ever met. Maybe you're a republican who just can't ever give Trump any credit for anything

1. Study history. Look abroad. It happens.
2. There will be ejections, but can you be confident they'll be fair? No. He planted that seed long ago.
3. He tried once, he'll do better second time.
4. January 6 is only one quibble of many issues.
5. My post above was editing, added to it. Please read the additional comments about who you are talking.
6. Why don't you say more about how you got your be this way. You grew up in the Bay Area. Yes, okay. And….?

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I would be very open to going to a town hall meeting held at a community that thinks very differently than me, a political moderate, and ask them to have a discussion with regard to the two discussion points at the end of this post:

* Here are 15 big ways Trump is shattering precedents, synthesized and narrated by Axios' Zachary Basu:

1. Executive power

2. Free-press crackdown

3. Seizing congressional purse strings

4. Tariffs

5. Overriding the Constitution

6. Purging watchdogs and civil servants

7. Eroding DOJ independence

8. Eroding Fed independence

9. Wartime powers in peacetime

10. Pay-me capitalism

11. Targeting Big Law

12. Punishing universities

13. Rewriting health and vaccine policy

14. Profiteering

15. Jan. 6 pardons

Please discuss which of the preceding 15 points are based on a false premise or contain untrue statements and provide supporting evidence for your contention; and

For any of the 15 points that you believe are factually accurate, please explain why you are in agreement with Trump's conduct as described.

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Add these abuses to all of the reasons I listed why Trump is in a league by himself as the most unethical pig to ever hold public office in the U.S.

Can you believe this guy so shamelessly promotes himself as being worthy of a Nobel Prize?

concordtom said:

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1. Study history. Look abroad. It happens.
2. There will be ejections, but can you be confident they'll be fair? No. He planted that seed long ago.
3. He tried once, he'll do better second time.
4. January 6 is only one quibble of many issues.
5. My post above was editing, added to it. Please read the additional comments about who you are talking.
6. Why don't you say more about how you got your be this way. You grew up in the Bay Area. Yes, okay. And….?

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1) what happens, no elections?
2) and the right argues that the left makes elections unfair. We could go back and forth on this all day.
3) he tried what?
4) I don't agree with Trump on everything either but it's absolutely TDS to say Trump was guilty of anything on Jan 6. Don't you think he would have been charged? They threw everything they could at him, treason would have been high on their list if they could have
5) I read them
6) what do you want to know?

OsoDorado said:

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bearister said:

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I would be very open to going to a town hall meeting held at a community that thinks very differently than me, a political moderate, and ask them to have a discussion with regard to the two discussion points at the end of this post:

* Here are 15 big ways Trump is shattering precedents, synthesized and narrated by Axios' Zachary Basu:

1. Executive power

2. Free-press crackdown

3. Seizing congressional purse strings

4. Tariffs

5. Overriding the Constitution

6. Purging watchdogs and civil servants

7. Eroding DOJ independence

8. Eroding Fed independence

9. Wartime powers in peacetime

10. Pay-me capitalism

11. Targeting Big Law

12. Punishing universities

13. Rewriting health and vaccine policy

14. Profiteering

15. Jan. 6 pardons

Please discuss which of the preceding 15 points are based on a false premise or contain untrue statements and provide supporting evidence for your contention; and

For any of the 15 points that you believe are factually accurate, please explain why you are in agreement with Trump's conduct as described.

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Add these abuses to all of the reasons I listed why Trump is in a league by himself as the most unethical pig to ever hold public office in the U.S.

Can you believe this guy so shamelessly promotes himself as being worthy of a Nobel Prize?

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Have you missed all the heads of state celebrating Trump? Why would both Pakistan and India agree on Trump being the one to thank for this cease fire and hostage release?

BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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I'm well aware of what the Republic Party used to stand for.
Donald Trump is NOT a Republican.

While an undergrad at CAL I voted for Ronald Reagan in my very first Presidential election.
But you and Movielover, Minot State, Pac-10 Bear 2034, and Oski can continue to label me a "liberal".

It just goes to show how disingenious many of you posters are when it comes to these discussions here.

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Disingenuous? Because you post and spew left wing ideology, we are the idiots for assuming you're a democrat?

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Since when is being anti-Tariff part of a left-wing ideology?
I look forward to your answer.

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You have TDS worse than anyone else I've ever met. Maybe you're a republican who just can't ever give Trump any credit for anything

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Thanks for being disingenuous with no interest in answering my most basic question.
You're clearly not interested in an honest discussion or debate.

DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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I'm well aware of what the Republic Party used to stand for.
Donald Trump is NOT a Republican.

While an undergrad at CAL I voted for Ronald Reagan in my very first Presidential election.
But you and Movielover, Minot State, Pac-10 Bear 2034, and Oski can continue to label me a "liberal".

It just goes to show how disingenious many of you posters are when it comes to these discussions here.

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Disingenuous? Because you post and spew left wing ideology, we are the idiots for assuming you're a democrat?

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Since when is being anti-Tariff part of a left-wing ideology?
I look forward to your answer.

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You have TDS worse than anyone else I've ever met. Maybe you're a republican who just can't ever give Trump any credit for anything

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Thanks for being disingenuous with no interest in answering my most basic question.
You're clearly not interested in an honest discussion or debate.

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I ignored your question originally because you're a pompous a$$hat.

Republicans are no longer for FREE TRADE.

How the GOP went from promoting free trade to backing Trump's proposed tariffs : NPR

How does a puny 15% tariff on autos from the EU shift auto production to the U.S.?
15% doesn't move the needle.

How does a 50% tariff on Copper stimulate copper production in the United States?
It doesn't because it takes a copper mine 27 years to come into production.

Like many of the Trumpers here, you lack basic economics.

DiabloWags said:

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Republicans are no longer for FREE TRADE.

How the GOP went from promoting free trade to backing Trump's proposed tariffs : NPR

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We're all for free trade as long as it doesn't come at the US' expense.

BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Republicans are no longer for FREE TRADE.

How the GOP went from promoting free trade to backing Trump's proposed tariffs : NPR

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We're all for free trade as long as it doesn't come at the US' expense.

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Trump's tariff's are CRUSHING FORD MOTOR COMPANY.
That's a fact to the tune of $3 BILLION this year.

How is that helping a U.S. based auto manufacturer like FORD?

Are you just gonna ignore how Trump's tariffs are hurting one of America's premier automakers?

bearister said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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I was born and raised in the Bay Area, arguably the most liberal place in the country. I learned early on to listen to all sides, whether I wanted to or not. It allows me to think critically about a situation instead of following the beehive mentality. I think it would be very interesting for some of the left on here to go live in a community where everyone, at least the vocal majority, thinks differently than you do. I encourage that for everyone, not just the left. Open your mind to the possibility that you don't know everything. It's very enlightening

---

I would be very open to going to a town hall meeting held at a community that thinks very differently than me, a political moderate, and ask them to have a discussion with regard to the two discussion points at the end of this post:

* Here are 15 big ways Trump is shattering precedents, synthesized and narrated by Axios' Zachary Basu:

1. Executive power: Trump has declared nine national emergencies in his first eight months in office, stretching the definition of "emergency" in creative and aggressive ways.

2. Free-press crackdown: Trump has waged the most aggressive government campaignagainst mainstream media in modern U.S. history stripping funding from public outlets, pushing the FCC to revoke broadcast licenses over negative coverage, and personally suing CBS/Paramount, The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times while in office.

3. Seizing congressional purse strings: Trump has tried to freeze or redirect billions in congressionally appropriated funds, from public health to foreign aid to university research.

4. Tariffs: Trump has effectively seized the authority over tariffs that the Constitution gives to Congress, wielding tariffs to reshape global trade and punish countries for political or economic disputes.

5. Overriding the Constitution: Trump issued an executive order seeking to eliminate birthright citizenship a right guaranteed in the 14th Amendment for the children of unauthorized immigrants.

6. Purging watchdogs and civil servants: Trump has fired inspectors general en masse, dismantled independent agencies, and ordered loyalty-driven purges across the federal workforce.

7. Eroding DOJ independence: Trump has declared himself the country's "chief law enforcement officer" a title typically reserved for the attorney general claiming the right to personally dictate prosecutions and order investigations of his political opponents.

8. Eroding Fed independence: Trump tried to fire Fed governor Lisa Cook as part of an extraordinary campaign to pressure the central bank to cut interest rates.

9. Wartime powers in peacetime: Trump invoked the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport alleged gang members without hearings, ordered maritime strikes on alleged drug traffickers without congressional authorization, and deployed the National Guard to D.C.and Los Angeles without the consent of local authorities.

10. Pay-me capitalism: The Trump administration has secured a "golden share" in U.S. Steel, taken a cut of chipmakers' foreign sales and a stake in Intel, and scored companieson their loyalty to Trump's agenda.

11. Targeting Big Law: Trump punished firms that represented political adversaries by stripping contracts and security clearances, extracting multimillion-dollar pro bono deals.

12. Punishing universities: Trump withheld billions in federal funding from schools such as Harvard and Columbia citing their handling of pro-Palestinian protests, campus antisemitism, and DEI policies and used the leverage to force changes in curricula and leadership.

13. Rewriting health and vaccine policy: Trump fired career health officials, slashed funding for public health research, and gave political allies broad control over FDA and CDC decisions.

14. Profiteering: The Trump family is believed to already have made billions of dollars during his second term, including through massive foreign crypto deals, real estate ventures and brazen access plays.

15. Jan. 6 pardons: Trump issued blanket clemency to more than 1,500 people charged in the 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol, including violent offenders and far-right extremists.

Please discuss which of the preceding 15 points are based on a false premise or contain untrue statements and provide supporting evidence for your contention; and

For any of the 15 points that you believe are factually accurate, please explain why you are in agreement with Trump's conduct as described.

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I'm interested in learning more about #3.
Seizing congressional purse strings

DiabloWags said:

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How does a puny 15% tariff on autos from the EU shift auto production to the U.S.?
15% doesn't move the needle.

Like many of the Trumpers here, you lack basic economics.

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Global automakers typically operate on profit margins of 5-10% per vehicle. A 15% tariff can easily exceed these margins if fully absorbed, wiping out profitability on exported units.

Based on 2025 data, a 15% tariff on EU autos could add $4,500-8,500 per imported unit, depending on the model's value. For German automakers like BMW or Mercedes (big EU exporters), this translates to billions in annual costse.g., $4.6 billion in 2025 for EU exports alone. If prices rise to cover it, demand could drop 5-15%

Economists note that tariffs above 10% often trigger supply chain adjustments in manufacturing, as they create a "cushion" for domestic producers against cheaper imports. At 15%, it's enough to make U.S. production viable, especially with incentives like tax credits under the Inflation Reduction Act or state subsidies for new plants.

25% duties on steel/aluminum and threats of 25% on autos prompted investments like Volkswagen expanding its Tennessee plant and BMW committing $1 billion more to South Carolina operations. Even the mere threat of higher tariffs accelerated $20-30 billion in U.S. auto investments from foreign firms.

BearlySane88 said:

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concordtom said:

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1. Study history. Look abroad. It happens.
2. There will be ejections, but can you be confident they'll be fair? No. He planted that seed long ago.
3. He tried once, he'll do better second time.
4. January 6 is only one quibble of many issues.
5. My post above was editing, added to it. Please read the additional comments about who you are talking.
6. Why don't you say more about how you got your be this way. You grew up in the Bay Area. Yes, okay. And….?

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1) what happens, no elections?
2) and the right argues that the left makes elections unfair. We could go back and forth on this all day.
3) he tried what?
4) I don't agree with Trump on everything either but it's absolutely TDS to say Trump was guilty of anything on Jan 6. Don't you think he would have been charged? They threw everything they could at him, treason would have been high on their list if they could have
5) I read them
6) what do you want to know?

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It's too long of a discussion to rehash with you. You're just not up to it, either from an educational standpoint or from a "I'm not brainwashed" standpoint.

You exhaust me. I gave 3 quotes from your ardent leaders. They said it themselves. You don't understand politics if you think "oh, they didn't charge him".

He was impeached. 4 republicans officially crossed the line. After voting not guilty, McConnell gave a speech on the floor and said he was guilty.

I don't know what more you need.

Merrick garland was a dope, it turned out. And let's not even get into the Supreme Court and the inability to have a Speedy Trial.

Go back to school, fool.

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I would be very open to going to a town hall meeting held at a community that thinks very differently than me, a political moderate, and ask them to have a discussion with regard to the two discussion points at the end of this post:

* Here are 15 big ways Trump is shattering precedents, synthesized and narrated by Axios' Zachary Basu:

1. Executive power

2. Free-press crackdown

3. Seizing congressional purse strings

4. Tariffs

5. Overriding the Constitution

6. Purging watchdogs and civil servants

7. Eroding DOJ independence

8. Eroding Fed independence

9. Wartime powers in peacetime

10. Pay-me capitalism

11. Targeting Big Law

12. Punishing universities

13. Rewriting health and vaccine policy

14. Profiteering

15. Jan. 6 pardons

Please discuss which of the preceding 15 points are based on a false premise or contain untrue statements and provide supporting evidence for your contention; and

For any of the 15 points that you believe are factually accurate, please explain why you are in agreement with Trump's conduct as described.

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Add these abuses to all of the reasons I listed why Trump is in a league by himself as the most unethical pig to ever hold public office in the U.S.

Can you believe this guy so shamelessly promotes himself as being worthy of a Nobel Prize?

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Have you missed all the heads of state celebrating Trump? Why would both Pakistan and India agree on Trump being the one to thank for this cease fire and hostage release?

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Again, you're a fool.
Trump likes red carpets.
He wants everyone to bow in his presence.
He wants the Nobel prize, his name on everything.
People kiss his ass. It's fake.
What is your problem?
No seriously - what is your problem???



Edit: change "Dad" to "Mom", if you ever became one, that is. You never said.

DiabloWags said:

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Republicans are no longer for FREE TRADE.

How the GOP went from promoting free trade to backing Trump's proposed tariffs : NPR

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We're all for free trade as long as it doesn't come at the US' expense.

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Trump's tariff's are CRUSHING FORD MOTOR COMPANY.
That's a fact to the tune of $3 BILLION this year.

How is that helping a U.S. based auto manufacturer like FORD?

Are you just gonna ignore how Trump's tariffs are hurting one of America's premier automakers?

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You know Ford produces 53% of their vehicles outside the US right? You know Ford only sources 40% of their parts from the US right?