BearlySane88 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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I abstained on Prop 50.

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As did I. I don't support the gerrymandering when we have an established independent committee but I understand why California and Newsom want it, with red states doing the same.

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My decision was made easier because I don't live in California and can't vote there.

BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Really no states should do partisan gerrymandering like this . . . BUT if Republican state governments are going to keep doing it (and at this point it's very clear that they are), I don't know how else to combat it other than for blue states to do it too and create some negative consequences.

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I'm sorry, are you under the impression that only Republican state governments are doing this?

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Right now the Republican states are the ones escalating it, yes. I do not claim that only Republicans have ever gerrymandered.

Every state should have independent commissions, but since there appears to be no way to make that happen I don't think the blue states should be the only ones to unilaterally disarm.

sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Really no states should do partisan gerrymandering like this . . . BUT if Republican state governments are going to keep doing it (and at this point it's very clear that they are), I don't know how else to combat it other than for blue states to do it too and create some negative consequences.

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I'm sorry, are you under the impression that only Republican state governments are doing this?

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Right now the Republican states are the ones escalating it, yes. I do not claim that only Republicans have ever gerrymandered.

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If present gerrymandering is OK because of past gerrymandering, does that mean serial killing in 2025 is OK because Jack The Ripper was a serial killer and never paid the price for it?

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Really no states should do partisan gerrymandering like this . . . BUT if Republican state governments are going to keep doing it (and at this point it's very clear that they are), I don't know how else to combat it other than for blue states to do it too and create some negative consequences.

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I'm sorry, are you under the impression that only Republican state governments are doing this?

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Right now the Republican states are the ones escalating it, yes. I do not claim that only Republicans have ever gerrymandered.

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If present gerrymandering is OK because of past gerrymandering, does that mean serial killing in 2025 is OK because Jack The Ripper was a serial killer and never paid the price for it?

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The other thing about past gerrymandering is that it wasn't always so laser-focused on partisanship. In the old days parties didn't always know what the partisan makeup of a particular county was, or a particular neighborhood. They would gerrymander mostly just to keep incumbents safe, not to draw the other party out of existence. Now they do have all of that information, and those who want to gerrymander can be absolutely ruthless about it.

Really, Congress should address this but good luck getting representatives who benefit from gerrymandering to vote against it. Not sure how to get out of this pickle.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Really no states should do partisan gerrymandering like this . . . BUT if Republican state governments are going to keep doing it (and at this point it's very clear that they are), I don't know how else to combat it other than for blue states to do it too and create some negative consequences.

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I'm sorry, are you under the impression that only Republican state governments are doing this?

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Right now the Republican states are the ones escalating it, yes. I do not claim that only Republicans have ever gerrymandered.

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If present gerrymandering is OK because of past gerrymandering, does that mean serial killing in 2025 is OK because Jack The Ripper was a serial killer and never paid the price for it?

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What are you talking about?

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Really no states should do partisan gerrymandering like this . . . BUT if Republican state governments are going to keep doing it (and at this point it's very clear that they are), I don't know how else to combat it other than for blue states to do it too and create some negative consequences.

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I'm sorry, are you under the impression that only Republican state governments are doing this?

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Right now the Republican states are the ones escalating it, yes. I do not claim that only Republicans have ever gerrymandered.

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If present gerrymandering is OK because of past gerrymandering, does that mean serial killing in 2025 is OK because Jack The Ripper was a serial killer and never paid the price for it?

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Did this actually make sense to you when you wrote it?

Jimmy Malone would vote Yes on 50.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Really no states should do partisan gerrymandering like this . . . BUT if Republican state governments are going to keep doing it (and at this point it's very clear that they are), I don't know how else to combat it other than for blue states to do it too and create some negative consequences.

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I'm sorry, are you under the impression that only Republican state governments are doing this?

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Right now the Republican states are the ones escalating it, yes. I do not claim that only Republicans have ever gerrymandered.

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If present gerrymandering is OK because of past gerrymandering, does that mean serial killing in 2025 is OK because Jack The Ripper was a serial killer and never paid the price for it?

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What are you talking about?

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I was trying to mock those who point to past gerrymandering to justify the current gerrymandering. It wasn't a great analogy on my part and I guess I recognized that by trying to edit it, but I think I made it even more incoherent.

The hilarious thing about all of this is that Trump is just an excuse to get "pro democracy" Democrats (there is no such thing) to vote this thing out. When there was no Trump and Prop 11 was on the ballot, guess who the opposition was? Democrats!

Here are all the lame excuses they came up with last time about why legislators should be the ones to draw their own district lines.

https://www.laprogressive.com/california-political-issues/progressive-democrats-of-la-votes-no-on-schwarzeneggers-prop-11-redistricting

sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Really no states should do partisan gerrymandering like this . . . BUT if Republican state governments are going to keep doing it (and at this point it's very clear that they are), I don't know how else to combat it other than for blue states to do it too and create some negative consequences.

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I'm sorry, are you under the impression that only Republican state governments are doing this?

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Right now the Republican states are the ones escalating it, yes. I do not claim that only Republicans have ever gerrymandered.

Every state should have independent commissions, but since there appears to be no way to make that happen I don't think the blue states should be the only ones to unilaterally disarm.

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The republican states are "escalating" but California is just responding?

The reports I've read indicate that if all states adopt the "extreme" gerrymandering approach, republicans will pick up 15+ seats (i.e., after accounting for losses in places like California). What does that tell you about wwhich party is responding and which party had "unilaterally" disarmed prior to 2025? Exactly how are the republican states escalating?

At the end of the day, the CA voters specifically elected to take politics out of redistricting. Not surprisingly, the politicians are making a power grab, not just because it benefits Dems in general, but to reward specific politicians.

BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Really no states should do partisan gerrymandering like this . . . BUT if Republican state governments are going to keep doing it (and at this point it's very clear that they are), I don't know how else to combat it other than for blue states to do it too and create some negative consequences.

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I'm sorry, are you under the impression that only Republican state governments are doing this?

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Right now the Republican states are the ones escalating it, yes. I do not claim that only Republicans have ever gerrymandered.

Every state should have independent commissions, but since there appears to be no way to make that happen I don't think the blue states should be the only ones to unilaterally disarm.

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The republican states are "escalating" but California is just responding?

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Yes.

BearGoggles said:

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At the end of the day, the CA voters specifically elected to take politics out of redistricting. Not surprisingly, the politicians are making a power grab, not just because it benefits Dems in general, but to reward specific politicians.

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The CA voters are being asked this question again. They can reject it if they want.

And my home state's redrawing of the map to add another seat after the 2020 census. The map makes it look more subtle than it really was. All Red voters were consolidated to maintain a single R district and the lines were carefully messaged elsewhere to add/solidify D districts:

tequila4kapp said:

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And my home state's redrawing of the map to add another seat after the 2020 census. The map makes it look more subtle than it really was. All Red voters were consolidated to maintain a single R districts and the lines were carefully messaged elsewhere to add/solidify D districts:

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Congress should ban this across the board.

NEW: Elon Musk explains how Democrats are rigging elections in their favor by using illegal immigrants, says California's Prop 50 will make the problem even worse.

"The more people, the more illegals that California and New York can import by the time the census happens in 2030,… pic.twitter.com/Kkle4GujsG

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) October 31, 2025

the second polls close in California, CNN projects that Proposition 50 passes pic.twitter.com/Z0XuUcvbH9

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 5, 2025

**** TRUMP!

**** THE BULLY.

**** THE INTIMIDATOR.

Despite passing Prop 50, which just stripped power from California's nonpartisan commission, 92% of CA voters say district lines should be drawn by a nonpartisan commission.

"The irony is 9 of 10 voters said they'd like to see this done by a nonpartisan commission."

Are people… pic.twitter.com/DSGML7fzgN

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) November 5, 2025

Isn't it ironic?

TDS?

A great result tonight. We are fighting back!

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Despite passing Prop 50, which just stripped power from California's nonpartisan commission, 92% of CA voters say district lines should be drawn by a nonpartisan commission.

"The irony is 9 of 10 voters said they'd like to see this done by a nonpartisan commission."

Are people… pic.twitter.com/DSGML7fzgN

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) November 5, 2025

Isn't it ironic?

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Rigged! Stop the steal!

SBGold said:

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A great result tonight. We are fighting back!

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Here's my unity over division post for you

.@AOC says of Mamdani victory: "A lot of people...are willing to talk about party unity when it serves them, but not party unity when it serves everybody."

"We have a future to fight for, and we're either going to do that together or you're going to be left behind." pic.twitter.com/v6KSBKhB2T

— Ken Klippenstein (NSPM-7 Compliant) (@kenklippenstein) November 5, 2025

UNITY (BUT ONLY WHEN IT SERVES SH**TTY DEMS SBGOLD LIKES)
VOTE ALL BLUE INCUMBENTS OUT

It's more than amusing to see all the indignation by posters who defend the GOP at every turn: yogi, goggles, etc. How surreal is it that they are trying to make arguments that the Democratic party--and not the party of McConnell and Trump--is the norm-breaker we should be worrying about?

chazzed said:

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It's more than amusing to see all the indignation by posters who defend the GOP at every turn: yogi, goggles, tequila, etc. How surreal is it that they are trying to make arguments that the Democratic party--and not the party of McConnell and Trump--is the norm-breaker we should be worrying about?

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What scares the crap out of me is that Democrats unabashedly supported a politician that openly called for violence against his opponent and their family in Jay Jones in Virginia. There is no question that Democrats are openly supporting violence. Terrifying.

HKBear97! said:

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chazzed said:

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It's more than amusing to see all the indignation by posters who defend the GOP at every turn: yogi, goggles, tequila, etc. How surreal is it that they are trying to make arguments that the Democratic party--and not the party of McConnell and Trump--is the norm-breaker we should be worrying about?

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What scares the crap out of me is that Democrats unabashedly supported a politician that openly called for violence against his opponent and their family in Jay Jones in Virginia. There is no question that Democrats are openly supporting violence. Terrifying.

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Sir, this is a Wendy's.

The good thing about Trump is that nobody any longer cares what politicians say or have done. A great improvement.

Aunburdened said:

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SBGold said:

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A great result tonight. We are fighting back!

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Here's my unity over division post for you

.@AOC says of Mamdani victory: "A lot of people...are willing to talk about party unity when it serves them, but not party unity when it serves everybody."

"We have a future to fight for, and we're either going to do that together or you're going to be left behind." pic.twitter.com/v6KSBKhB2T

— Ken Klippenstein (NSPM-7 Compliant) (@kenklippenstein) November 5, 2025

UNITY (BUT ONLY WHEN IT SERVES SH**TTY DEMS SBGOLD LIKES)
VOTE ALL BLUE INCUMBENTS OUT

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UNITE or get left behind Burdened.

It likes on the playground when teams were picked, step up or you will be last

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

HKBear97! said:

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chazzed said:

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It's more than amusing to see all the indignation by posters who defend the GOP at every turn: yogi, goggles, tequila, etc. How surreal is it that they are trying to make arguments that the Democratic party--and not the party of McConnell and Trump--is the norm-breaker we should be worrying about?

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What scares the crap out of me is that Democrats unabashedly supported a politician that openly called for violence against his opponent and their family in Jay Jones in Virginia. There is no question that Democrats are openly supporting violence. Terrifying.

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That's wild, Cheeto blows up fishing boats near Venezuela when the admin does not know who the people are and you are worried about some text that Jones took accountability for.


And there was J6 for the MAGAts that sought to string and quarter Pence. Remember that.

Wake up.

UNITY OVER DIVISION
VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

SBGold said:

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HKBear97! said:

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chazzed said:

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It's more than amusing to see all the indignation by posters who defend the GOP at every turn: yogi, goggles, tequila, etc. How surreal is it that they are trying to make arguments that the Democratic party--and not the party of McConnell and Trump--is the norm-breaker we should be worrying about?

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What scares the crap out of me is that Democrats unabashedly supported a politician that openly called for violence against his opponent and their family in Jay Jones in Virginia. There is no question that Democrats are openly supporting violence. Terrifying.

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That's wild, Cheeto blows up fishing boats near Venezuela when the admin does not know who the people are and you are worried about some text that Jones took accountability for.


And there was J6 for the MAGAts that sought to string and quarter Pence. Remember that.

Wake up.

UNITY OVER DIVISION
VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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They aren't fishing boats but thanks for trying to bring "unity over division" with your lies.

oski003 said:

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SBGold said:

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HKBear97! said:

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chazzed said:

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It's more than amusing to see all the indignation by posters who defend the GOP at every turn: yogi, goggles, tequila, etc. How surreal is it that they are trying to make arguments that the Democratic party--and not the party of McConnell and Trump--is the norm-breaker we should be worrying about?

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What scares the crap out of me is that Democrats unabashedly supported a politician that openly called for violence against his opponent and their family in Jay Jones in Virginia. There is no question that Democrats are openly supporting violence. Terrifying.

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That's wild, Cheeto blows up fishing boats near Venezuela when the admin does not know who the people are and you are worried about some text that Jones took accountability for.


And there was J6 for the MAGAts that sought to string and quarter Pence. Remember that.

Wake up.

UNITY OVER DIVISION
VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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They aren't fishing boats but thanks for trying to bring "unity over division" with your lies.

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We don't actually know what they are, that's the problem.

sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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SBGold said:

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HKBear97! said:

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chazzed said:

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It's more than amusing to see all the indignation by posters who defend the GOP at every turn: yogi, goggles, tequila, etc. How surreal is it that they are trying to make arguments that the Democratic party--and not the party of McConnell and Trump--is the norm-breaker we should be worrying about?

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What scares the crap out of me is that Democrats unabashedly supported a politician that openly called for violence against his opponent and their family in Jay Jones in Virginia. There is no question that Democrats are openly supporting violence. Terrifying.

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That's wild, Cheeto blows up fishing boats near Venezuela when the admin does not know who the people are and you are worried about some text that Jones took accountability for.


And there was J6 for the MAGAts that sought to string and quarter Pence. Remember that.

Wake up.

UNITY OVER DIVISION
VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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They aren't fishing boats but thanks for trying to bring "unity over division" with your lies.

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We don't actually know what they are, that's the problem.

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The poster I responded to said they are fishing boats. Are you guys the Borg?

Ski boats?

oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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SBGold said:

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HKBear97! said:

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chazzed said:

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It's more than amusing to see all the indignation by posters who defend the GOP at every turn: yogi, goggles, tequila, etc. How surreal is it that they are trying to make arguments that the Democratic party--and not the party of McConnell and Trump--is the norm-breaker we should be worrying about?

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What scares the crap out of me is that Democrats unabashedly supported a politician that openly called for violence against his opponent and their family in Jay Jones in Virginia. There is no question that Democrats are openly supporting violence. Terrifying.

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That's wild, Cheeto blows up fishing boats near Venezuela when the admin does not know who the people are and you are worried about some text that Jones took accountability for.


And there was J6 for the MAGAts that sought to string and quarter Pence. Remember that.

Wake up.

UNITY OVER DIVISION
VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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They aren't fishing boats but thanks for trying to bring "unity over division" with your lies.

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We don't actually know what they are, that's the problem.

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The poster I responded to said they are fishing boats. Are you guys the Borg?

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No, I have a slightly different opinion than another left-leaning poster. Difficult concept, I know.

After reading some of the replies here and thinking about it, here is my dream, but unattainable, solution to gerrymandering.

Increase the number of representatives. Hasn't changed for, what, a hundred years? Let's say 1,000. The ratio of voters to reps would still be much higher than when then number was increased to the present level. Hopefully this would diminish the power of the reps on the fringe of each party.

National law to require independent commissions to draw districts. Only allowed each census if number of state reps changes.

Have fewer districts and elect multiple reps in each district, based on the overall percentage of each party's vote within the district. Using California as an example, there would be about 100 reps. Have 20 districts and elect 5 from each district. Democrats get 60%, their candidates with the three highest votes are elected. Some states would have one district.

I have to think this would decrease the number of 'safe' seats and make congress more responsive to the voters.

Could it happen? Never

LudwigsFountain said:

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After reading some of the replies here and thinking about it, here is my dream, but unattainable, solution to gerrymandering.

Increase the number of representatives. Hasn't changed for, what, a hundred years? Let's say 1,000. The ratio of voters to reps would still be much higher than when then number was increased to the present level. Hopefully this would diminish the power of the reps on the fringe of each party.

National law to require independent commissions to draw districts. Only allowed each census if number of state reps changes.

Have fewer districts and elect multiple reps in each district, based on the overall percentage of each party's vote within the district. Using California as an example, there would be about 100 reps. Have 20 districts and elect 5 from each district. Democrats get 60%, their candidates with the three highest votes are elected. Some states would have one district.

I have to think this would decrease the number of 'safe' seats and make congress more responsive to the voters.

Could it happen? Never

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Congress can pass legislation (with Presidential signature) to increase the number of Representatives and it should be a priority for any upcoming government that wants to support democracy.